Change to AdultWork feedback

[Daffodil]

I've heard that if I leave a negative feedback, and the prossie disputes it, it automatically becomes neutral. Is that true?

That's bullshit if it is, and another example of AW being anti-punter 

[vorian]

I've heard that if I leave a negative feedback, and the prossie disputes it, it automatically becomes neutral. Is that true?

That's bullshit if it is, and another example of AW being anti-punter 

Wouldn't surprise me, if it is true another reason if anyone really needed one to ignore AW FB.

[Dani]

Its true but most people can see beyond that and unless it is obviously spiteful feedback then most are not stupid.  Genuine feedback with a response such as he tried to bb me or he stank will just make the prossie look stupid as most who use AW are aware of the usual bollocks some prossies put in response.  It works on both prossie and punter profiles as I have seen a couple of punter profiles with the same sort of thing.  Bad feedback from the prossie with responses like she was a druggie or she tried to rip me off even though they left her glowing feedback.
Always let the other person leave feedback first so if they leave you good then you leave a neg they cant exactly dispute it as they left you good feedback.  I always check this when I see a dispute

[vorian]

Its true but most people can see beyond that and unless it is obviously spiteful feedback then most are not stupid.  Genuine feedback with a response such as he tried to bb me or he stank will just make the prossie look stupid as most who use AW are aware of the usual bollocks some prossies put in response.  It works on both prossie and punter profiles as I have seen a couple of punter profiles with the same sort of thing.  Bad feedback from the prossie with responses like she was a druggie or she tried to rip me off even though they left her glowing feedback.
Always let the other person leave feedback first so if they leave you good then you leave a neg they cant exactly dispute it as they left you good feedback.  I always check this when I see a dispute

How does the SP feedback system work Dani I have heard about a system where the prossie can leave a comment and traffic light report which only other SP can access. Is this system widely used by WG's and do you find it useful or is it as abused as is the standard AW FB.

[Daffodil]

Its true but most people can see beyond that and unless it is obviously spiteful feedback then most are not stupid.  Genuine feedback with a response such as he tried to bb me or he stank will just make the prossie look stupid as most who use AW are aware of the usual bollocks some prossies put in response.  It works on both prossie and punter profiles as I have seen a couple of punter profiles with the same sort of thing.  Bad feedback from the prossie with responses like she was a druggie or she tried to rip me off even though they left her glowing feedback.
Always let the other person leave feedback first so if they leave you good then you leave a neg they cant exactly dispute it as they left you good feedback.  I always check this when I see a dispute

It's nonsense that 'most' people are able to judge AW feedback well. What are you basing that on? Even members here give the prossie the benefit of the doubt sometimes. Alexyfoot still doesn't believe that that prossie in Brum left malicious feedback.

And what about those who just check the rating and/or summary?

If a prossie disputes every negative then she may not have a single negative point against her profile 

[vorian]

It's nonsense that 'most' people are able to judge AW feedback well. What are you basing that on? Even members here give the prossie the benefit of the doubt sometimes. Alexyfoot still doesn't believe that that prossie in Brum left malicious feedback.

And what about those who just check the rating and/or summary?

If a prossie disputes every negative then she may not have a single negative point against her profile 

Has it been confirmed about this change to the AW feedback, may I ask how you found out this was being discussed, it sound like the sort of thing pro$$ienet would advocate.

[Daffodil]

Has it been confirmed about this change to the AW feedback, may I ask how you found out this was being discussed, it sound like the sort of thing pro$$ienet would advocate.

It was in a thread on prossienet. I didn't read it all, but it seemed to be common knowledge.

Also Dani 'confirms' it above, but she often gets things wrong 

[philboi]

How does the SP feedback system work Dani I have heard about a system where the prossie can leave a comment and traffic light report which only other SP can access. Is this system widely used by WG's and do you find it useful or is it as abused as is the standard AW FB.

It's a crap system! I've had a report left by a spiteful wg about me in the past - not a word of truth in it.
I knew nothing about it until another wg pointed it out. Emailed AW and they removed the report pretty quickly.
Also any wg can do this and there's no nickname attached to it so it can be difficult to identify the wg.
I really can't see the point when AW have the FB system. It's open to abuse.
It just supports what punters on here have said many times. 'DON'T USE THE SYSTEM' It's better to stay away from AW, have a punting phone and only call wgs using a phone number. 

[Ali Katt]

It still gets flagged as a dispute though. Negatives left for a punter are still negative, even if disputed.

[Timo]

AW is totally biased towards prossies. So just use it to browse for prossies and then check for information and reviews on here.

[vorian]

AW is totally biased in favour of the prossy. So just use it to browse for prossies and then check for information and reviews on here.

Well summed up 

[Daffodil]

AW is totally biased towards prossies. So just use it to browse for prossies and then check for information and reviews on here.

Not entirely true. AW is biased towards AW.

Prossies (genuine ones) run foul of AW too.

That is why they are not harder on scams, the credits the scam profiles generate are confiscated by AW.

[Dani]

Has it been confirmed about this change to the AW feedback, may I ask how you found out this was being discussed, it sound like the sort of thing pro$$ienet would advocate.

The feedback system and disputing negs turning them into neutral hasn't changed it has been like that since I joined AW in 2009.  The only thing that has changed is the notes system which punters cant see and is often abused so I only believe notes if the writer gives their name as they are anon which leaves them wide open to abuse

[vorian]

The feedback system and disputing negs turning them into neutral hasn't changed it has been like that since I joined AW in 2009.  The only thing that has changed is the notes system which punters cant see and is often abused so I only believe notes if the writer gives their name as they are anon which leaves them wide open to abuse

So the notes system is even more abused than the FB. Does that not mean as a SP the protection some less experienced prossies think it provides them is a dangerous illusion. AW just gets better and better. 

[Roland D Hay]

Always let the other person leave feedback first

You go first, no you, no you, really no you, no you, aw fuck it!

[MidlandsEscortxo]

Not entirely true. AW is biased towards AW.

Prossies (genuine ones) run foul of AW too.

That is why they are not harder on scams, the credits the scam profiles generate are confiscated by AW.

Also when WG's accounts are hacked or even when their was the 2/3 times AW was hacked last year AW hardly ever gives credits back ... scamming little arse holes .. but what can you do, at least the site pays the bills I guess

[AnthG]

I've heard that if I leave a negative feedback, and the prossie disputes it, it automatically becomes neutral. Is that true?

That's bullshit if it is, and another example of AW being anti-punter 

I read that, got annoyed, and then read all the responses and then figured I think I have misunderstood this and what you are meaning.

So to confirm.

If I leave a girl a negative feedback, and she puts a response beneath it saying he actually never turned up to the booking etc etc.

Is this a dispute or is this just a response? And thus it stays negative, or is this what you mean will then switch to neutral?

And if not then do you mean a dispute is only if the girl specifically emails AW and asks them to investigate this and they then find that likely the girl may have a point and so change it to neutral manually.

If its the latter of the two to be honest I don't mind that and its kind of good there is this avenue open to challenge malicious feedbacks as long both WGs and punters have this ability.

If its the former then I mind that very much and that should not be occurring as this is a stupid idea.

[Roland D Hay]

The feedback system and disputing negs turning them into neutral hasn't changed it has been like that since I joined AW in 2009.  The only thing that has changed is the notes system which punters cant see and is often abused so I only believe notes if the writer gives their name as they are anon which leaves them wide open to abuse

Yes, I left a WG negative feedback and she flagged me up as a dangerous punter, anonymously of course. I have fuck all to do with AW feedback now, I don't use the booking system if I can avoid it, I don't believe a fucking word that's written in feedback or reviews and I keep my AW identity separate from my UKP identity. We can but hope that it becomes so widely known that AW reviews and feedback are so shit that the system becomes redundant. To my mind it already is.

[Dani]

The feedback system has been useless for a couple of years as both prossie and punter are normally too afraid to leave a negative incase they get a spiteful one in response.  Instead they will put things like on time clean and fresh as feedback meaning they have nothing nice to say about that person but didn't want to leave a neg.

The notes system was a good idea until they made it anonymous so girls leave good clients bad notes so they have to keep coming back as no one else will see them. 
Anything anonymous is going to be open to abuse and the notes system should not be anonymous.

I also feel feedback should be hidden until either both parties have left it or after one month if they have not both left it.  That way they wont know if a punter/prossie has left neg or positive so cant retaliate out of spite. It would make the feedback system more reliable if there was no fear you could be left a negative just because you gave one

[kingkong]

The feedback system and disputing negs turning them into neutral hasn't changed it has been like that since I joined AW in 2009.  The only thing that has changed is the notes system which punters cant see and is often abused so I only believe notes if the writer gives their name as they are anon which leaves them wide open to abuse

Can only "verified escorts" see the notes system or can any escort with an account see it?

[vorian]

Can only "verified escorts" see the notes system or can any escort with an account see it?

That is a good question, this note system does interest me as it seems so underhanded and potentially dangerous for punters and prossies.

[Mara]

Can only "verified escorts" see the notes system or can any escort with an account see it?

Only verified escorts can see the notes.

AW feedback is pretty much useless for both sides and just a few days ago, I had to learn it the hard way. 
I think both, punters and WG's should trust their gut instinct rather than the FB/notes system before making a decision.

[mattylondon]

Yes, I left a WG negative feedback and she flagged me up as a dangerous punter, anonymously of course. I have fuck all to do with AW feedback now, I don't use the booking system if I can avoid it, I don't believe a fucking word that's written in feedback or reviews and I keep my AW identity separate from my UKP identity. We can but hope that it becomes so widely known that AW reviews and feedback are so shit that the system becomes redundant. To my mind it already is.

Timo gave decent advice. I only pay closer attention to feedback if it's hidden or has negatives displayed. Even then, it doesn't always follow that the woman is a poor Service Provider or a fraud. I've punted a couple of perfectly decent women with hidden or negative feedback. A quick phone call or e-mail soon flushes them out. And I've punted plenty of women, who've had dozens of glowing feedbacks, who I thought were crap! 

I tend to go for displayed numbers. Generally, I can't be arsed playing footsie with a prossie via e-mail ping pong. I'm the paying customer. I call the shots. 

[Timo]

Also when WG's accounts are hacked or even when their was the 2/3 times AW was hacked last year AW hardly ever gives credits back ... scamming little arse holes .. but what can you do, at least the site pays the bills I guess

What a load of bullshit.
Individual prossy accounts are not "hacked" It is the boyfriend/husband/pimp who knows the password and sabotages/closes the account.
The "2/3 times AW was hacked last year" is also complete bullshit as they were not "hacked". The aw outages last year were due to something completely different.
And if memory serves me correctly when aw went down there was an influx of touting prossies on here.
Also, it's not aw "that pays the bills", it's us punters who that book you.

[Ali Katt]

What a load of bullshit.
Individual prossy accounts are not "hacked" It is the boyfriend/husband/pimp who knows the password and sabotages/closes the account.
The "2/3 times AW was hacked last year" is also complete bullshit as they were not "hacked". The aw outages last year were due to something completely different.
And if memory serves me correctly when aw went down there was an influx of touting prossies on here.

I'm not sure about the inhouse politics with AW, I know they had some attacks on the sites, but needless to say some escort used this as an excuse to remove old profiles and some would have been removed because they were fake anyway.

[mattylondon]

What a load of bullshit.
Individual prossy accounts are not "hacked" It is the boyfriend/husband/pimp who knows the password and sabotages/closes the account.
The "2/3 times AW was hacked last year" is also complete bullshit as they were not "hacked". The aw outages last year were due to something completely different.
And if memory serves me correctly when aw went down there was an influx of touting prossies on here.

Indeed. As if your average Joe Punter has either the IT know how or inclination to go hacking AW accounts as a regular occurrence. All lies and a somewhat active imagination.

That bullshit line has been fed to me quite a few times. And 99.9% times out of a 100, I discover down the line that the prossie has been soft and either 'handed over' control to a 'helpful punter' (substitute that for boyfriend/pimp) or the pimp ran it in the first place, to keep on eye on her. Or they've split up and she no longer has the password. 

[Timo]

I'm not sure about the inhouse politics with AW, I know they had some attacks on the sites, but needless to say some escort used this as an excuse to remove old profiles and some would have been removed because they were fake anyway.

Not wanting to take this thread off topic, but....my information at the time was that it was a server attack and no actual accounts, prossy or punter, were compromised.
What l found amusing about the whole thing was that loads of prossies were on twitter giving out details about their personal websites not realising that their profile descriptions were completely different and advertising cheaper prices!

[Ali Katt]

Not wanting to take this thread off topic, but....my information at the time was that it was a server attack and no actual accounts, prossy or punter, were compromised.
What l found amusing about the whole thing was that loads of prossies were on twitter giving out details about their personal websites not realising that their profile descriptions were completely different and advertising cheaper prices!

Ah thanks. I did hear about the server attack it meant the site was offline for a few days, but I wasn't sure what it entailed.

[Daffodil]

Also when WG's accounts are hacked or even when their was the 2/3 times AW was hacked last year AW hardly ever gives credits back ... scamming little arse holes .. but what can you do, at least the site pays the bills I guess

As has been pointed out, a lot of this post sounds like nonsense.

I might believe AW favours AW above all else, but prossies come a close second. Punters are an afterthought. At the end of the day it gives prossies free advertising to hundreds/thousands of paying customers. It is all they need to make a good living and yet they still whinge 

[Roland D Hay]

I'm not sure the hacking story is bullshit; I read Ghost in the Wires some time back about Kevin Mitnick, the worlds most famous hacker for a while. He was so successful because he rarely had to actually hack into systems. He learned the art of 'social engineering' and essentially talked people into giving him their passwords or other useful information. Using social engineering he gained access to dozens of computer networks including Pacific Bell. I'm sure if AW had been around in the 70,s that he'd have given this all up for the challenge of hacking into a prossies AW account. 

[Strawberry]

The feedback system has been useless for a couple of years as both prossie and punter are normally too afraid to leave a negative incase they get a spiteful one in response.  Instead they will put things like on time clean and fresh as feedback meaning they have nothing nice to say about that person but didn't want to leave a neg.

The notes system was a good idea until they made it anonymous so girls leave good clients bad notes so they have to keep coming back as no one else will see them. 
Anything anonymous is going to be open to abuse and the notes system should not be anonymous.

I also feel feedback should be hidden until either both parties have left it or after one month if they have not both left it.  That way they wont know if a punter/prossie has left neg or positive so cant retaliate out of spite. It would make the feedback system more reliable if there was no fear you could be left a negative just because you gave one

I leave words such as 'clean', 'hygienic', 'punctual' because they were and those are things I value. If someone has been 'off' I will say so, or at least leave something that can be read into, but majority of the time, 99% of punters that I see in person are absolutely fine. I'm not going to start spouting words of love, or wiffle on about the size of their cock because as an SP (oh and outside of being an SP cock size is equally as unimportant) those bits aren't that relevant. In fact I take 'fantastic lover' style comments with a pinch of salt.

Feedback can be a useful guide but majority of the time I just wait and see how the person is with me from initial contact right through to the end of the booking itself.

[Daffodil]

I'm not sure the hacking story is bullshit; I read Ghost in the Wires some time back about Kevin Mitnick, the worlds most famous hacker for a while. He was so successful because he rarely had to actually hack into systems. He learned the art of 'social engineering' and essentially talked people into giving him their passwords or other useful information. Using social engineering he gained access to dozens of computer networks including Pacific Bell. I'm sure if AW had been around in the 70,s that he'd have given this all up for the challenge of hacking into a prossies AW account. 

That's not really hacking as I see it though. More preying on stupid people  If a prossie gives her password away then she can only really have herself to blame.

[Daffodil]

I leave words such as 'clean', 'hygienic', 'punctual' because they were and those are things I value. If someone has been 'off' I will say so, or at least leave something that can be read into, but majority of the time, 99% of punters that I see in person are absolutely fine. I'm not going to start spouting words of love, or wiffle on about the size of their cock because as an SP (oh and outside of being an SP cock size is equally as unimportant) those bits aren't that relevant. In fact I take 'fantastic lover' style comments with a pinch of salt.

Feedback can be a useful guide but majority of the time I just wait and see how the person is with me from initial contact right through to the end of the booking itself.

Yes, indeed. Dani seems to operate a 'code' that only she knows 

[Ali Katt]

I leave words such as 'clean', 'hygienic', 'punctual' because they were and those are things I value. If someone has been 'off' I will say so, or at least leave something that can be read into, but majority of the time, 99% of punters that I see in person are absolutely fine. I'm not going to start spouting words of love, or wiffle on about the size of their cock because as an SP (oh and outside of being an SP cock size is equally as unimportant) those bits aren't that relevant. In fact I take 'fantastic lover' style comments with a pinch of salt.

Feedback can be a useful guide but majority of the time I just wait and see how the person is with me from initial contact right through to the end of the booking itself.

Yep. Feedback with the phrase "ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE COCK" is written by a pimp for a pimp.

[Rochdull lad]

I leave words such as 'clean', 'hygienic', 'punctual' because they were and those are things I value. If someone has been 'off' I will say so, or at least leave something that can be read into, but majority of the time, 99% of punters that I see in person are absolutely fine. I'm not going to start spouting words of love, or wiffle on about the size of their cock because as an SP (oh and outside of being an SP cock size is equally as unimportant) those bits aren't that relevant. In fact I take 'fantastic lover' style comments with a pinch of salt.

Feedback can be a useful guide but majority of the time I just wait and see how the person is with me from initial contact right through to the end of the booking itself.

So long as I get comments like those that are in your first sentence, Strawberry; I'd be happy.  Phrases like "always welcome back" are the icing on my cake.

[Ass-Bo]

What a load of bullshit , hopefully this will encourage future punter to ditch AW FB altogether and seek alternative method by sticking UKP URL of negative FR on pro$ AW FB page, then the hoe can dispute all she likes with 50 words or less 

[DJ Fruit Polo]

At the end of the day it gives prossies free advertising to hundreds/thousands of paying customers. It is all they need to make a good living and yet they still whinge 

I might be being naive here, but doesn't AW charge WGs to list their profiles?  They certainly charge for "featured escort" status and, I think, for displaying an "available today" sign, as well as taking a third of PG revenue.

[Daffodil]

I might be being naive here, but doesn't AW charge WGs to list their profiles?  They certainly charge for "featured escort" status and, I think, for displaying an "available today" sign, as well as taking a third of PG revenue.

You are being naive I'm afraid, it is free to list a profile on AW. If you have the goods and provide a professional service you have no need for being a 'featured escort'.

Also, they might take a third of the pg credits (probably the main way they make money), but it costs nothing/a little for a prossie to put a few pictures up. Her pg will more than pay for things like listing a mobile and being 'available today'

[DJ Fruit Polo]

You are being naive I'm afraid, it is free to list a profile on AW.

I stand corrected   

I'd assumed AW at least charged a weekly/monthly hosting fee for their bread & butter income, with the PG, etc., revenue providing a nice bonus.

[bighands]

Every now and then I will come across a WG profile that has lots of "seriously positive" feedback comments, coupled with lots of positive AW field reports. Only then do I start to believe that these feedbacks could actually be near the mark, and the WG in question is really good.

Otherwise, "ordinarily" positive comments are worthless because you can't trust that they mean anything. Even when the comments seem hugely positive you need to track back to see what sort of comments those punters leave for other WG's. Are they always over gushy? If so, their comment this time is worthless. It takes quite a bit of going back and forth to weed out the genuinely positive feedback, and by then you're exhausted and can't be bothered to go for the punt.

[vorian]

Every now and then I will come across a WG profile that has lots of "seriously positive" feedback comments, coupled with lots of positive AW field reports. Only then do I start to believe that these feedbacks could actually be near the mark, and the WG in question is really good.

Otherwise, "ordinarily" positive comments are worthless because you can't trust that they mean anything. Even when the comments seem hugely positive you need to track back to see what sort of comments those punters leave for other WG's. Are they always over gushy? If so, their comment this time is worthless. It takes quite a bit of going back and forth to weed out the genuinely positive feedback, and by then you're exhausted and can't be bothered to go for the punt.

Would you have any examples of these which you could post the link for please

[Jimmyredcab]

I stand corrected   

I'd assumed AW at least charged a weekly/monthly hosting fee for their bread & butter income, with the PG, etc., revenue providing a nice bonus.

Adultwork were very clever in the way they chose to generate income, if they charged a monthly fee to pro$$ies they would struggle to get girls signing up   ------- this way it appears that the site is free although in reality we pay in the form of private galleries, the girls have to pay for "available today" but that just comes out of their private gallery turnover.

I spend roughly £5 a month to buy credits ------------ I would never have paid a membership fee (as with Captain69).

[bighands]

Would you have any examples of these which you could post the link for please

Here's one: External Link/Members Only

I saw her first solely based on the AW reviews (before I had discovered UKP). She's fantastic and the reviews helpfully sent me to her.

Unfortunately, this degree of unanimous enthusiasm in the AW reviews that hints at genuine excellence is far too rare, but valuable when you come across it.

[vorian]

Here's one: External Link/Members Only

I saw her first solely based on the AW reviews (before I had discovered UKP). She's fantastic and the reviews helpfully sent me to her.

Unfortunately, this degree of unanimous enthusiasm in the AW reviews that hints at genuine excellence is far too rare, but valuable when you come across it.

Yes I see what you mean the lack of a face picture would put me off but the volume of AW feedback that can be cross referenced and which is universally good IMHO can be a good indication. I only see profiles like that on very rare occasions.

[bighands]

Yes I see what you mean the lack of a face picture would put me off but the volume of AW feedback that can be cross referenced and which is universally good IMHO can be a good indication. I only see profiles like that on very rare occasions.

Yes - quite rare - but gold dust when you come across them. Now I want to go to Birmingham ... damn, why did I have to think of her ... my cock's taken over my brain again.