The naivety of non punters

[NIK]

Was out with a mate last night. He's going through a divorce after twenty years marriage and we have only just become properly re-acquainted again after all that time. 
He has punted himself back in the eighties. He was the one who went with the big black woman on our trip to Amsterdam I mention in my book, but I don't think he's punted much otherwise and certainly not since being married and fathering kids.

He knows I go to London to punt and was asking me about prices as I think he's getting desperate once again.  I told him I pay £200 for Nicoletta but you could get cheaper punts.

He thought that £200 - £250 would get you an overnight!

I can't remember how much he paid in Amsterdam but he's sure lost touch!

[vorian]

Was out with a mate last night. He's going through a divorce after twenty years marriage and we have only just become properly re-acquainted again after all that time. 
He has punted himself back in the eighties. He was the one who went with the big black woman on our trip to Amsterdam I mention in my book, but I don't think he's punted much otherwise and certainly not since being married and fathering kids.

He knows I go to London to punt and was asking me about prices as I think he's getting desperate once again.  I told him I pay £200 for Nicoletta but you could get cheaper punts.

He thought that £200 - £250 would get you an overnight!

I can't remember how much he paid in Amsterdam but he's sure lost touch!

E-mail him the link to here NIK, a few hours of reading UKP and he will be fully upto date with the pro's and con's of modern day punting.

[Jimmyredcab]

He thought that £200 - £250 would get you an overnight!

£250 is a "realistic" price -------------- when you consider someone on minimum wage would have to work 40 hours to earn that, and they would have to pay tax.

I am not a fan of overnights anyway, even in Thailand where they are £40 or less, I prefer to sleep alone.   

[UltrasForLife]

£250 is a "realistic" price -------------- when you consider someone on minimum wage would have to work 40 hours to earn that, and they would have to pay tax.

I am not a fan of overnights anyway, even in Thailand where they are £40 or less, I prefer to sleep alone.   

If 250 for overnight is realistic, why do you pay 200 quid to get spanked for an hour? Please end the nonsense posts.

[Stealthshagger]

Regarding naively, I think reading here and so on makes me aware that I am relatively naive regarding the habbits of others when it comes to sexual things, despite being a punter for quite a while. For example people's interest in bdsm, crossdressing, being dildoes, water sports, hard sports, barbebacking, adult baby minding, period play etc.  I'm continually amazed at what people are into. Makes me think I'm quite vanilla, whereas when I started I wondered if the wg would think I was a deviant if I wanted film as I gave her a facial.


Rates wise..there is such a huge range, which is independent of quality...nothing shocks me now regarding sought rates, just that people pay that. I have had an overnight for £350 though, a reverse bidder. Young Eastern European and slim and as per pics. Whole other story, anyway.

[Juankerr]

being dildoes

There are a couple on this site unfortunately 

[Jimmyredcab]

If 250 for overnight is realistic, why do you pay 200 quid to get spanked for an hour? Please end the nonsense posts.

I have never, ever paid £200 at the London Retreat ------------------ I can do everything I want to do in 30 minutes for £100.

If you try to make me look an idiot try to get the facts right or you end up looking stupid.   

[jburke1215]

Regarding naively, I think reading here and so on makes me aware that I am relatively naive regarding the habbits of others when it comes to sexual things, despite being a punter for quite a while. For example people's interest in bdsm, crossdressing, being dildoes, water sports, hard sports, barbebacking, adult baby minding, period play etc.  I'm continually amazed at what people are into. Makes me think I'm quite vanilla, whereas when I started I wondered if the wg would think I was a deviant if I wanted film as I gave her a facial.


Rates wise..there is such a huge range, which is independent of quality...nothing shocks me now regarding sought rates, just that people pay that. I have had an overnight for £350 though, a reverse bidder. Young Eastern European and slim and as per pics. Whole other story, anyway.

  couldn't agree more with first paragraph, often felt I was the only one still doing the basics   

[Jimmyredcab]

If 250 for overnight is realistic.

I actually said "realistic".


See if you can spot the difference.     

[Stealthshagger]

There are a couple on this site unfortunately 

Lol, yes, autocorrect can be a fucker.

[Stealthshagger]

My latest eye opener:

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

[Jimmyredcab]

My latest eye opener:

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

The gender is clearly marked as ----------- Male

Why were you searching for men ??????????

[Stealthshagger]

When I look at a wg profile I'm unsure of or before booking, I check feedback, then feedback of those that left feedback, as I want to avoid bare backers and avoid those that have seen guys who do see bare backers. I clicked on his profile name and it came up.  He has seen danna, if you are interested.

[lancashireman12345]

When I look at a wg profile I'm unsure of or before booking, I check feedback, then feedback of those that left feedback, as I want to avoid bare backers and avoid those that have seen guys who do see bare backers. I clicked on his profile name and it came up.  He has seen danna, if you are interested.

Been a while since I posted!
I was going to raise this issue as a new post but might as well continue it from here. I do this too - I deliberately look for the (stupid) punters who leave feedback for prossies - then I look at who else they've seen too.

I noticed one the other day - and I pointed it to the prossie that one of her customers had seen a prossie who does BB. I said since she does CIM and OWO that it's quite serious. She got all defensive and said she done only OW etc. Then when I said there's no proof of that she got a bit pissy Lol. 

[Stealthshagger]

Yeah, I once came within 5 minutes of booking before I did the feedback check, and saw her last client had seen a car meet cream pie bare backer for exactly that. I had a cold sweat when I saw that and put the phone down. No chance I'd go for a wg who has seen a guy who does that...

[SirFrank]

I had to employ the services of a 'specialist solicitor' a few years ago to deal with a quango clusterfuck. His job title was senior partner, which essentially means cha-ching. He cost me a fair old whack but thieving bastard sorted it all out so I can't grumble too much. Anyway before I give myself a heart attack he charged me less per hour than the last WG outcall I had in Bristol. Mind you she was considerably prettier than him and about 5 stone lighter

[Stealthshagger]

I not sure what a quango clusterfuck is? Who are you replying to?

[NIK]

I might have begun this thread, but I no longer understand it. 

[Daffodil]

In some ways Nik, I think it is the naivety of punters! Your mate is probably about right in his evaluation of reasonable cost, we're the ones who have been fooled by the emperor's new clothes.

[mattylondon]

£250 is a "realistic" price -------------- when you consider someone on minimum wage would have to work 40 hours to earn that, and they would have to pay tax.

I am not a fan of overnights anyway, even in Thailand where they are £40 or less, I prefer to sleep alone.   

I would agree with that. I've never paid any more in the UK. It simply wouldn't be cost effective. One may as well make an 30 minute/ 1 hour booking in the evening and one in the morning, which I've done many times. I should preface the overnight rate by saying that these were women I'd punted more than once, had enjoyed social time with and so there was a connection of sorts.

And as you know, Thailand costs a lot less than that. If my memory serves me correctly, I paid no more than 2500bhat for an overnight, which was around £35 - £40 at the time. And around £10 for a short time.

[Ali Katt]

In some ways Nik, I think it is the naivety of punters! Your mate is probably about right in his evaluation of reasonable cost, we're the ones who have been fooled by the emperor's new clothes.

More like the pimp's new cunt. You're exactly right though. I think we absorb ourselves in sex both physically and mentally. I have had to explain to non-punters what snowballing is. I think you pick-up a sixth sense and I have often commented that a civvy girl would probably be a crap shag based on no evidence. Or maybe I'm just a pretentious sex-obsessed male.

[NIK]

In some ways Nik, I think it is the naivety of punters! Your mate is probably about right in his evaluation of reasonable cost, we're the ones who have been fooled by the emperor's new clothes.

But punting prices haven't really gone up all the time I've been doing it. I paid £115 plus £15 for the taxi for my first ever full sex punt a London outcall in 1984. Although you might be struggling to get a decent London outcall for £130 these days you can get an incall for that.

[akauya]

In some ways Nik, I think it is the naivety of punters! Your mate is probably about right in his evaluation of reasonable cost, we're the ones who have been fooled by the emperor's new clothes.

I think it's easier for some of the more naive 'new' punters to get sucked into paying £0000s for "high end" "courtesans". It's probably the Belle du Jour syndrome. They probably think they are going to get an experience out of this world, etc. etc.

Would a seasoned punter pay over the odds? Not many from UKP would go for "courtesans" I think.

[Daffodil]

I think it's easier for some of the more naive 'new' punters to get sucked into paying £0000s for "high end" "courtesans". It's probably the Belle du Jour syndrome. They probably think they are going to get an experience out of this world, etc. etc.

Would a seasoned punter pay over the odds? Not many from UKP would go for "courtesans" I think.

Very true, but we are an erudite bunch 

[Toshiba]

Never understood the need for an overnight, too expensive and why pay for them to sleep?

Nuts

[potato]

In some ways Nik, I think it is the naivety of punters! Your mate is probably about right in his evaluation of reasonable cost, we're the ones who have been fooled by the emperor's new clothes.

I would have to agree with Daff and also JRC's comments.  I don't know where this ridiculous pricing came from for overnights. I can understand shorter bookings requiring a higher fee - the same way buying a small quantity of anything costs more. I am sure that there are lots of girls that would be happy with £250 for an overnight - its hardly likely to be continuous sex and probably a much more pleasant experience than being repeatedly shagged hard on 15 min & 30min bookings to the same value by all sorts during the day!

[DJ Fruit Polo]

But punting prices haven't really gone up all the time I've been doing it. I paid £115 plus £15 for the taxi for my first ever full sex punt a London outcall in 1984. Although you might be struggling to get a decent London outcall for £130 these days you can get an incall for that.

This is true: when I was visiting Soho walkups in the early to mid-1980s, I was paying around £15 for a BJ and sex.  When I ended up back in Soho in 2010, it was £20 for a BJ or sex.  Plus £2 for the maid...that had gone up from a pound in the '80s - outrageous inflation!

[mattylondon]

This is true: when I was visiting Soho walkups in the early to mid-1980s, I was paying around £15 for a BJ and sex.  When I ended up back in Soho in 2010, it was £20 for a BJ or sex.  Plus £2 for the maid...that had gone up from a pound in the '80s - outrageous inflation!

Yes, but whilst true, isn't that down to saturation of the market through increasing competition and the introduction of EEs, who undercut other girls? Plus of course, who largely made services such as French kissing and OWO the norm.

[DJ Fruit Polo]

Yes, but whilst true, isn't that down to saturation of the market through increasing competition and the introduction of EEs, who undercut other girls? Plus of course, who largely made services such as French kissing and OWO the norm.

I do take your point, but I'm not sure that FK and OWO are the norm in Soho now any more than they were 30 years ago.  In any event, indie and parlour rates of upwards of £80 an hour are still not to be sniffed at even now.

[mattylondon]

I do take your point, but I'm not sure that FK and OWO are the norm in Soho now any more than they were 30 years ago.  In any event, indie and parlour rates of upwards of £80 an hour are still not to be sniffed at even now.

Yes, fair one re Soho. Rather, in other places the average price appears to have either stayed the same or dropped.

[DaveMugabe]

Still dont know what the fuck a quango clusterfuck is.  Someone please help!!

[BristolP]

I had to employ the services of a 'specialist solicitor' a few years ago to deal with a quango clusterfuck. His job title was senior partner, which essentially means cha-ching. He cost me a fair old whack but thieving bastard sorted it all out so I can't grumble too much. Anyway before I give myself a heart attack he charged me less per hour than the last WG outcall I had in Bristol. Mind you she was considerably prettier than him and about 5 stone lighter

I bet it took him longer than an hour to sort the quango clusterfuck out. And you know he was charging you his hourly rate while he was in fact talking about hankerly titwaven with his work colleagues. So I think the WG represents better value for money.

[DJ Fruit Polo]

Still dont know what the fuck a quango clusterfuck is.  Someone please help!!

At a guess, it's either something to do with bureaucratic red tape or a new iteration of a gang bang.  Unless the red tape has something to do with bondage?

Meanwhile...

hankerly titwaven

...what does that mean?!

[DaveMugabe]

At a guess, it's either something to do with bureaucratic red tape or a new iteration of a gang bang.  Unless the red tape has something to do with bondage?

Meanwhile...

...what does that mean?!

I think this was a piss take

[DJ Fruit Polo]

I think this was a piss take

And I was thinking that Hankerly Titwaven might be a horsey debutante-type girl.  Probably a small village in Sussex.
 

[DaveMugabe]

No thats Hilary Titwaven - I fucked her once

[DJ Fruit Polo]

No thats Hilary Titwaven - I fucked her once

But you wouldn't return?

That's her off the HL then - cheers!

[starman]

Never understood the need for an overnight, too expensive and why pay for them to sleep?

Nuts

Agreed!