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Offline DaveMugabe

Dorian, no offence and all that shit, but could you swear a bit in your posts  :sarcastic:

Perhaps Safe's a fucking joke or something like that   :timeout
Who the fuck is Dorian??? :D

Back to topic, I think the more successful this forum is, the more postings will affect their business and the more they will want to make fake/angry posts.

I would actually like to see the prossie perspective on reviews, but as I see it they really only have two options if they receive lots of negative reviews:

1. explain, apologise, make amends and genuinely learn from it and provide better service
2.leave the business as they are not suited to this type of work

Unfortunately, we had a situation where Stacey from Amour Escorts in the North East was making up fake complaints just to be seen to be apologising and making amends.  Now I think she does run a reasonable outfit, but what she was doing was devious and calculated.  She had no need to do this but she was probably trying to paint a picture of putting service as a main priority.  Unfortunately, her method demostrates that she thinks punters are stupid and it has backfired on her.

Hopefully she has learned and she focuses on genuine customer service instead of playing the propaganda game.

The problem now is whenever a prossie/pimp posts to apologise and explain, some, including myself, will be sceptical. Unfortunate but thats the way it is
« Last Edit: January 22, 2014, 11:03:17 PM by davew987654321 »

Offline mattylondon

There is no hiding place, embrace that fact and offer good service.
If a negative review offends, who cares? Better to be honest, take on board the criticism or quite frankly, piss off! Punting is not a cheap activity. This is not a charity. This is business. Genuine SPs have nothing to fear.

On the other hand, a punter who lies in a review, directly effecting a genuine prossie's business is a piece of shit, in my opinion, who will be flushed out soon enough. Forcing out genuine prossies is directly against the interests of punters too, in my opinion.

Roland D Hay

Forcing out genuine prossies is directly against the interests of punters too, in my opinion.

Agreed :thumbsup:

Offline punk

If a negative review offends, who cares? Better to be honest, take on board the criticism or quite frankly, piss off! Punting is not a cheap activity. This is not a charity. This is business. Genuine SPs have nothing to fear.

On the other hand, a punter who lies in a review, directly effecting a genuine prossie's business is a piece of shit, in my opinion, who will be flushed out soon enough. Forcing out genuine prossies is directly against the interests of punters too, in my opinion.

thats the problem most prossies dont give a fuck until it hits them in the pocket,and even than its the customers that are to blame,most are here to make ££££ off the english as i was told a few yrs back.

Roland D Hay

I also suspect that in many cases, punters tip women off about such reviews.

Yes and it's not really difficult to work out out who these white knights are is it. The same ones who come on here defending all the shite they come out with. What do these white knights think they get from the deal. Do they think they'll get respect or special favours from the girl? The reality is that the girls inevitably see them as even bigger mugs than the rest of us. I'm sick of reading comments that someone or another is honoured or privileged that a particular girl has graced this site with her presence.

Offline overhead

Totally agree with you.  SAAFE is a complete joke for many reasons.

I don't know how you can say that. It has a purpose just the same as UKP has. Just because it doesn't serve you doesn't mean it's a joke.

I think there is a huge gap in understanding. Most prossies don't have much concept of what it's like to be a punter, and many of them don't care either. But by the same token I don't think many punters appreciate some of the things they have to endure either. I've being doing this on and off for a while now, and there's always something unexpected around the corner. Yes they get paid handsomely for it, but there's no question in my mind that they are a lot more vulnerable than we are. Some of the threads on saafe make quite sobering reading, especially the world championship one. There are some seriously disturbed people out there. The ones that are prossies get found out and don't last too long, but the rogue punters do, and saafe helps defeat them. Invading saafe would not be a clever thing to do. Leave them alone. I think it's much better to battle with them on this forum, because the moderators here have the experience and control needed. No one is perfect and some of the banning seems a bit hasty sometimes, but I bet we don't get anything like the full picture. Just like you can never fully understand what goes on in WG's bedrooms - and their heads.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2014, 12:08:01 AM by overhead »

Roland D Hay

Invading saafe would not be a clever thing to do. Leave them alone.

You actually took that comment seriously? :unknown:

Offline mattylondon

What do these white knights think they get from the deal. Do they think they'll get respect or special favours from the girl?
It's an interesting line of discussion, isn't it? I think the reasons are complex. As you've suggested, perhaps they feel that this will garner them extra time, additional services or even a discount? Fluffys tend to be the worst kind of boundary pushers, in my opinion. Another line of thought is that perhaps they harbor a degree of guilt or self loathing, so they attempt to seek affirmation or respect from the prossie. This may especially apply if they either know or suspect the prossie is critical of punters or men in general. Therefore, they to disassociate themselves from this perception, by showing that they're different. That they're a 'nice guy'. I think it's all for nothing anyway, as the prossies primary concern will be ££££, whatever they say.  :hi:
« Last Edit: January 23, 2014, 12:10:27 AM by mattylondon »

Roland D Hay

It's an interesting line of discussion, isn't it? I think the reasons are complex. As you've suggested, perhaps they feel that this will garner them extra time, additional services or even a discount? Fluffys tend to be the worst kind of boundary pushers, in my opinion. Another line of thought is that perhaps they harbor a degree of guilt or self loathing, so they attempt to seek affirmation or respect from the prossie. This may especially apply if they either know or suspect the prossie is critical of punters or men in general. Therefore, they to disassociate themselves from this perception, by showing that they're different. That they're a 'nice guy'. I think it's all for nothing anyway, as the prossies primary concern will be ££££, whatever they say.  :hi:

Matty, I didn't even know you'd been gone but I'm glad you're back  :hi:

Offline overhead

You actually took that comment seriously? :unknown:

It sounded like you meant it.

A few months ago I visited a WG who had not long before been attacked and robbed. She was a bag of nerves but had to keep on working to survive in her situation. She told me what happened to her and that was a sobering experience I can tell you, just listening to it. Reading that comment brought it all back.

Sorry, if I over reacted. Some things are quite serious in this business though.

Roland D Hay

It sounded like you meant it.

A few months ago I visited a WG who had not long before been attacked and robbed. She was a bag of nerves but had to keep on working to survive in her situation. She told me what happened to her and that was a sobering experience I can tell you, just listening to it. Reading that comment brought it all back.

Sorry, if I over reacted. Some things are quite serious in this business though.

It wasn't my post but I'd be surprised if anyone took the comment seriously.

Despite what saafe might have you believe there are very few of us that are misogynists and I like to believe that the vast majority of us are reasonable people. No one here advocates abuse of working girls and we're all very aware of the risky environment they operate in but that environment can be equally risky for punters. Keeping punters safe is the purpose of this site and similarly saafe's purpose is to keep the girls safe. Yes bad things occasionally happen but I am consistently told by WG's that the men they meet through punting are generally nicer to them than the guys they have met in their personal lives. There is an alternative reality.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2014, 12:30:02 AM by Roland D Hay »

Roland D Hay

It's an interesting line of discussion, isn't it? I think the reasons are complex. As you've suggested, perhaps they feel that this will garner them extra time, additional services or even a discount? Fluffys tend to be the worst kind of boundary pushers, in my opinion. Another line of thought is that perhaps they harbor a degree of guilt or self loathing, so they attempt to seek affirmation or respect from the prossie. This may especially apply if they either know or suspect the prossie is critical of punters or men in general. Therefore, they to disassociate themselves from this perception, by showing that they're different. That they're a 'nice guy'. I think it's all for nothing anyway, as the prossies primary concern will be ££££, whatever they say.  :hi:

Any self confessed fluffies care to comment?

Keeping punters safe is the purpose of this site

Exactly - which is why I fully understand when a SP comes on here with handbag flying after she sees the second post on a 'seeking information on' thread is a boring, pointless review of her profile pic, to the effect of "she's a fat minger.. wouldn't touch her with yours."

Offline vorian

It's an interesting line of discussion, isn't it? I think the reasons are complex. As you've suggested, perhaps they feel that this will garner them extra time, additional services or even a discount? Fluffys tend to be the worst kind of boundary pushers, in my opinion. Another line of thought is that perhaps they harbor a degree of guilt or self loathing, so they attempt to seek affirmation or respect from the prossie. This may especially apply if they either know or suspect the prossie is critical of punters or men in general. Therefore, they to disassociate themselves from this perception, by showing that they're different. That they're a 'nice guy'. I think it's all for nothing anyway, as the prossies primary concern will be ££££, whatever they say.  :hi:

Excellent post.
Banning reason: Two faced - Slagging off UKP and it's membership using fake account

Offline Jimmyredcab

Most pro$$ies are not very gifted in the brain department.   :wackogirl:

When they come on here with all guns blazing they just make matters worse.

They would do far better to say they are sorry their service wasn't up to expectations and they will take the comments on board.

That is what hotel managers do on Trip Advisor.    :hi:

Offline vorian

I don't know how you can say that. It has a purpose just the same as UKP has. Just because it doesn't serve you doesn't mean it's a joke.

I think there is a huge gap in understanding. Most prossies don't have much concept of what it's like to be a punter, and many of them don't care either. But by the same token I don't think many punters appreciate some of the things they have to endure either. I've being doing this on and off for a while now, and there's always something unexpected around the corner. Yes they get paid handsomely for it, but there's no question in my mind that they are a lot more vulnerable than we are. Some of the threads on saafe make quite sobering reading, especially the world championship one. There are some seriously disturbed people out there. The ones that are prossies get found out and don't last too long, but the rogue punters do, and saafe helps defeat them. Invading saafe would not be a clever thing to do. Leave them alone. I think it's much better to battle with them on this forum, because the moderators here have the experience and control needed. No one is perfect and some of the banning seems a bit hasty sometimes, but I bet we don't get anything like the full picture. Just like you can never fully understand what goes on in WG's bedrooms - and their heads.

I have read large chunks of SAAFE and continue to do so I believe in the tactics of knowing your enemy.  The issues I have with SAAFE is not based around its educational or practical advice which seems comprehensive.  However the "Elite" leadership of SAAFE basically give bad advice regarding the business aspect of prostitution,  that is unforgivable to me.

I don't have any concerns regarding a WG situation, anymore than I care about Tescos,  all I care about is getting the service I require at the price I am willing to pay. I am not the morale police nor am I here to pass judgements or protect anyone. I want professional and customer service orientated WG.

However I wish to punt and to have good punts that is imho facilitated by sharing information on this site good and bad.

Is it easy being a prossie I have no real idea as I am not one.  I would hazard sometimes yes,  sometimes no. SAAFE is not like UKP punters are the customers we are not in competition with each other unlike the members of SAAFE. Simply they do not respect their own members enough to give good advice in relation to running a good business.
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Offline vorian

Most pro$$ies are not very gifted in the brain department.   :wackogirl:

When they come on here with all guns blazing they just make matters worse.

They would do far better to say they are sorry their service wasn't up to expectations and they will take the comments on board.

That is what hotel managers do on Trip Advisor.    :hi:

Totally agree the good ones would not take it personally but as a valuable tool that helps them improve the service they offer.  Saying that the good ones would know the importance of effort and good customer service and as such are unlikely to get a bad review.
Banning reason: Two faced - Slagging off UKP and it's membership using fake account

Offline overhead

I don't have any concerns regarding a WG situation, anymore than I care about Tescos,  all I care about is getting the service I require at the price I am willing to pay. I am not the morale police nor am I here to pass judgements or protect anyone. I want professional and customer service orientated WG.

I take it from what you are saying that you did mean what you said in that comment earlier, not as portrayed by Roland?

I get where your coming from, but I think there is a world of difference between dealing with a hard nosed organisation such as Tescos as a pure and simple consumer, and a more personal supplier/customer relationship such as a doctor, dentist, or prostitute.

I'm sure that if I go to my dentist shouting the odds about the service I have been getting, I can't expect a less painful experience than if I try to treat them like a human being. Same goes for doctors. The system these days is all geared towards getting patients out of the door as quick as possible, and developing a good working relationship with them is essential to getting the best out of the service they provide. In that sense I see prostitutes as more or less the ultimate example of this, because the attitude you take with them makes just about the biggest difference in the treatment you receive that you could find anywhere. I'm sure fucking a prostitute who utterly resents you as a person would be like raping them, and I could never go down that road personally. Better to treat them as you would the carer who you will need to look after you when you become bedridden and incontinent. In a sense they are the ultimate carers, and as such you have to avoid the scumbags amongst them. You can learn so much from forums like saafe and UKP. Nothing is perfect, but I think it's all pretty good as it is. Just needs a bit of fine tuning that's all.

SAAFE is not like UKP punters are the customers we are not in competition with each other unlike the members of SAAFE. Simply they do not respect their own members enough to give good advice in relation to running a good business.

I disagree with that. I think we are in competition with each other in a sense. Being a good punter and welcome is hugely different to being one who is hated, and I certainly strive to be someone a WG likes engaging with, and certainly better than the average. It's hard work sometimes, but it can be worth it. That competition aspect makes you better, and as a result you end up with an improved life experience.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2014, 03:26:21 AM by overhead »

punters are the customers we are not in competition with each other

Heh. What about when one of us would prefer not to divulge to this board the details of a newly-discovered gem? :lol:

Roland D Hay

Most pro$$ies are not very gifted in the brain department.   :wackogirl:

When they come on here with all guns blazing they just make matters worse.

They would do far better to say they are sorry their service wasn't up to expectations and they will take the comments on board.

That is what hotel managers do on Trip Advisor.    :hi:

Perhaps WG's need a new site to help them understand customer care, maybe strip advisor? :D

Offline starman

For me, there are 3 things that need to be 100% accurate on an escort's profile..... A genuine photo, the girl's real age and her country of origin.  Her likes list should also be accurate, but if on the day she doesn't feel up to providing certain services, e.g. No French kissing because the punter has foul breath, then that remains at her discretion.

Offline Admin

  • Site Owner
I've recently started deleting posts by prossies when they come in guns-blazing / attack the integrity of the punter / make serious accusations against the punter, etc.

A rebuttal / ability-to-respond for prossies is not a right on UKP. It is a privilege. And I get to decide what to allow, with no recourse or appeals procedure.

This also extends to posts from new members (which could be prossie masquerading as a punter) and existing members who may be 'fans' of the prossie.

As the top says - 'Putting the punter first.' I won't be having bad prossies damage the reputation of a punter or fool others into thinking the negative review is untrue.

Offline dandaley

A punter is not allowed to join SAAFE but a WG can join UKP.

and here lies the problem if your going to allow wgs to join and post on here surely your going to get them defending themselves its human nature, imagine if it was tother way around and we could post on saafe with our real punter names and the wgs could say we were arseholes with bad teeth, fat, smelly etc, wouldn't you defend yourself ? course you would.

can't see this will ever change unless wgs are stopped from joining here as all that happens is what we have seen with lots of crap flying around and ban after ban.

pointless imo why not keep ukp just for punters, problem solved ?

Offline overhead

pointless imo why not keep ukp just for punters, problem solved ?

Because there are WG's who post on here who provide an interesting and balanced perspective, and have enough business that they can contain themselves and remember where they are, and have done for a long time. Dani, ParisB etc.

Also there are plenty of punters that have been banned for abuse and so forth.

Saafe serves a slightly different purpose, and I can't see how there's any place for punters on there.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2014, 08:42:48 AM by overhead »


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