Are those that read and post on UKP different?

[house music dave]

Apologies for the long post

I was browsing through adultwork yesterday and came across a new black girl. her profile said "brand new to this" Normally this is a no go for me but there are not many black girls listed in my area and it said she was 27 so maybe she has a bit of "life experience".

 So I phone about an out call knowing that she's priced them way up to put people off because A) she might be scared and as it turns out later B) was given bad advice from a friend. All of this is very understandable.

Anyway I thought I'd chance my arm, she wanted £180, I was honest with her and said that was way above market rate she pauses "what can you do" I tell her she laughs I laughed, and said "we are not going to meet in the middle... take care" anyway an hour later i get a text saying "I can see you tomorrow morning between x and x. I said I can't do those times and if I was to see you I'd have a few questions and as you are new wouldn't want to offend or shock you. She texts back "go on ask"
(All of these were on her likes list)
Can you participate in dirty talk?
Do you have any latex or PVC outfits?
Do you offer any foot fetish?
Can you offer a prostate massage?


I'm sure you can guess from then on it was radio silence....my question is what the hell did she think her first clients would be like? I know I'm wrong by asking all these things to a newbie. I'm sure she thought it was gonna be pretty woman stylee. I know I was straight  to the point in what services I wanted, and maybe that was wrong to do to a newbie.

Do you think if she really wants to enter the business she's just expecting men to melt when they pick up the phone?
Do you think most men do melt?
Are those of us that read UKP a different bread to most?.

A while ago I was in a convo with a girl in her 30's who'd worked in parlours for years "HMD I've been in this business for years" ( as she was texting me a "special offer")   I said with all the conviction of a UKP member "it just isn't like that anymore, without upping your game the only extras you can charge for are anal and CIM"

Do we have it right in the main or are we just a super breed of punter who don't really know the realities of what most guys settle for?

HMD   
                 

[vorian]

Good post, we are all just punters at the end of the day perhaps just better informed ones. The ability to exchange ideas and reviews along with the abilty to ask direct questions to other punters and even PM specfic questions about a WG who that member has already seen. All these things give UKP members a massive advantage when looking for and dealing with WG.

[smiths]

Apologies for the long post

I was browsing through adultwork yesterday and came across a new black girl. her profile said "brand new to this" Normally this is a no go for me but there are not many black girls listed in my area and it said she was 27 so maybe she has a bit of "life experience".

 So I phone about an out call knowing that she's priced them way up to put people off because A) she might be scared and as it turns out later B) was given bad advice from a friend. All of this is very understandable.

Anyway I thought I'd chance my arm, she wanted £180, I was honest with her and said that was way above market rate she pauses "what can you do" I tell her she laughs I laughed, and said "we are not going to meet in the middle... take care" anyway an hour later i get a text saying "I can see you tomorrow morning between x and x. I said I can't do those times and if I was to see you I'd have a few questions and as you are new wouldn't want to offend or shock you. She texts back "go on ask"
(All of these were on her likes list)
Can you participate in dirty talk?
Do you have any latex or PVC outfits?
Do you offer any foot fetish?
Can you offer a prostate massage?


I'm sure you can guess from then on it was radio silence....my question is what the hell did she think her first clients would be like? I know I'm wrong by asking all these things to a newbie. I'm sure she thought it was gonna be pretty woman stylee. I know I was straight  to the point in what services I wanted, and maybe that was wrong to do to a newbie.

Do you think if she really wants to enter the business she's just expecting men to melt when they pick up the phone?
Do you think most men do melt?
Are those of us that read UKP a different bread to most?.

A while ago I was in a convo with a girl in her 30's who'd worked in parlours for years "HMD I've been in this business for years" ( as she was texting me a "special offer")   I said with all the conviction of a UKP member "it just isn't like that anymore, without upping your game the only extras you can charge for are anal and CIM"

Do we have it right in the main or are we just a super breed of punter who don't really know the realities of what most guys settle for?

HMD   
               

From reading many posts on punting forums over the years i am certain some punters will put up with anything to get a punt, some think with their dicks as i used to putting up with loads of lies.

Bad SPs want to get punters to the punt and will lie to get them their and then rely on him staying anyway thinking with his dick. This is very widespread in punting and why as many bad SPs exist as they do, they get away with offering bad service. Its i imagine also the case that as many punters arent aware of sites like this this bad service doesnt get posted on the net so others are aware. Even with A/W feedback as some punters have posted on here they are too scared to give a bad WG bad FB in case she gives them some back in return thus possibly putting a future WG off taking a booking from the punter. So bad WGs get away with it.

[Festisio]

Well for what it's worth I have never asked a prossie for any of

Can you participate in dirty talk?
Do you have any latex or PVC outfits?
Do you offer any foot fetish?
Can you offer a prostate massage?

But I am pretty vanilla and you're clearly a dirty old man.  Which is fine.  But seemingly this bint, if she is even legit, prefers the more run of the mill type of sessions.

It was interesting how she came back to you the next day after you lowballed her, confirming what we all know, that most prossies will reduce their rates if times are hard.

[Dani]

Punters who use forums do tend to be very different from  punters who don't.  Sometimes we have to literally guess what a punter wants from a booking as no amount of coaxing will get them to speak up and say they want this or that.

The woman in question probably text you as she had no bookings at the time she suggested and thought it would be a way to get a bit of cash until you told her what you wanted when she probably decided you wanted more than she was willing to offer for the price agreed or she has listed services she doesn't really offer to get more interest.

It is so much easier for us prossies if a guy knows what he wants from a booking and actually tells us as it saves us playing the guessing game and we can then ensure he goes away happy.

[house music dave]

Vorian I have to say you are the pinnacle of politeness, you have my respect sir. It's interesting what you say smiths about punters putting up with anything to get a shag. I had a moment of weakness the other month and went for a quickie in a parlour.

"No talking dirty is £20 extra"
" you're crazy...it's okay i'll talk dirty to you then" (you should have seen her face)

Thing is I managed to control the punt i.e. no hands, stopping and starting. every look she gave me a dirty look I shot her one back. It was like being wanked off by an old robot off tomorrows world she dodged my cum using matrix bullet time, (she was the one holding my dick) didn't dodge quite enough and kept checking her dress. I was  a stony faced fucker and said nothing.

So i understand moments of weakness it's just the level of bullshit that i won't put up with these days. 

[MidlandsEscortxo]

Apologies for the long post

I was browsing through adultwork yesterday and came across a new black girl. her profile said "brand new to this" Normally this is a no go for me but there are not many black girls listed in my area and it said she was 27 so maybe she has a bit of "life experience".

 So I phone about an out call knowing that she's priced them way up to put people off because A) she might be scared and as it turns out later B) was given bad advice from a friend. All of this is very understandable.

Anyway I thought I'd chance my arm, she wanted £180, I was honest with her and said that was way above market rate she pauses "what can you do" I tell her she laughs I laughed, and said "we are not going to meet in the middle... take care" anyway an hour later i get a text saying "I can see you tomorrow morning between x and x. I said I can't do those times and if I was to see you I'd have a few questions and as you are new wouldn't want to offend or shock you. She texts back "go on ask"
(All of these were on her likes list)
Can you participate in dirty talk?
Do you have any latex or PVC outfits?
Do you offer any foot fetish?
Can you offer a prostate massage?


I'm sure you can guess from then on it was radio silence....my question is what the hell did she think her first clients would be like? I know I'm wrong by asking all these things to a newbie. I'm sure she thought it was gonna be pretty woman stylee. I know I was straight  to the point in what services I wanted, and maybe that was wrong to do to a newbie.

Do you think if she really wants to enter the business she's just expecting men to melt when they pick up the phone?
Do you think most men do melt?
Are those of us that read UKP a different bread to most?.

A while ago I was in a convo with a girl in her 30's who'd worked in parlours for years "HMD I've been in this business for years" ( as she was texting me a "special offer")   I said with all the conviction of a UKP member "it just isn't like that anymore, without upping your game the only extras you can charge for are anal and CIM"

Do we have it right in the main or are we just a super breed of punter who don't really know the realities of what most guys settle for?

HMD   
               

I agree with the telling her to up her game. At the end of the day a girl can charge whatever she likes, it's her body and maybe in different areas and regions its a different kettle of fish, but where I work and probably a 40 mile radius if you charge for extras such as OWO, Dirty talk, DFK,role play etc then you're going to be pushed out of the market. It aint like what it used to be where girls could charge for everything

[Strawberry]

Punters who use forums do tend to be very different from  punters who don't.  Sometimes we have to literally guess what a punter wants from a booking as no amount of coaxing will get them to speak up and say they want this or that.

The woman in question probably text you as she had no bookings at the time she suggested and thought it would be a way to get a bit of cash until you told her what you wanted when she probably decided you wanted more than she was willing to offer for the price agreed or she has listed services she doesn't really offer to get more interest.

It is so much easier for us prossies if a guy knows what he wants from a booking and actually tells us as it saves us playing the guessing game and we can then ensure he goes away happy.

I agree with this completely, someone who lets us know what they want without it having to be dragged out over a series of messages, phone calls or in person silent gestures is really helpful and tends to result in a happy customer. 

[Rochdull lad]

Vorian I have to say you are the pinnacle of politeness, you have my respect sir. It's interesting what you say smiths about punters putting up with anything to get a shag. I had a moment of weakness the other month and went for a quickie in a parlour.

"No talking dirty is £20 extra"
" you're crazy...it's okay i'll talk dirty to you then" (you should have seen her face)

Thing is I managed to control the punt i.e. no hands, stopping and starting. every look she gave me a dirty look I shot her one back. It was like being wanked off by an old robot off tomorrows world she dodged my cum using matrix bullet time, (she was the one holding my dick) didn't dodge quite enough and kept checking her dress. I was  a stony faced fucker and said nothing.

So i understand moments of weakness it's just the level of bullshit that i won't put up with these days.

I think that trick is scandalous; HMD.

When I punted in Parlours in Manchester 7 or 8 years ago, there was a girl who worked at Samantha's who, having done it for free the first time I saw her, asked an extra £10 for it on my next visit. 

Because I visited that Parlour fairly often in those days, I had a word with "the management" about this [I politely enquired if it was Parlour policy] and it was never a problem afterwards.

[Ali Katt]

I think it's mainly down to experience what was once good enough in my punting infancy, I would no longer be of willing to do.For example jump through hoops to get directions, if the woman is more than 10 minutes late I walk, I also always did hour bookings. I am willing pay less these days as well.  I think for me to see an indie they would have to offer enough to entice me away from a parlour where I pay £50 or less for basic 30 minutes, having said that I am happy to pay £60 for the right woman.

[overhead]

Apologies for the long post

I was browsing through adultwork yesterday and came across a new black girl. her profile said "brand new to this" Normally this is a no go for me but there are not many black girls listed in my area and it said she was 27 so maybe she has a bit of "life experience".

 So I phone about an out call knowing that she's priced them way up to put people off because A) she might be scared and as it turns out later B) was given bad advice from a friend. All of this is very understandable.

Anyway I thought I'd chance my arm, she wanted £180, I was honest with her and said that was way above market rate she pauses "what can you do" I tell her she laughs I laughed, and said "we are not going to meet in the middle... take care" anyway an hour later i get a text saying "I can see you tomorrow morning between x and x. I said I can't do those times and if I was to see you I'd have a few questions and as you are new wouldn't want to offend or shock you. She texts back "go on ask"
(All of these were on her likes list)
Can you participate in dirty talk?
Do you have any latex or PVC outfits?
Do you offer any foot fetish?
Can you offer a prostate massage?


I'm sure you can guess from then on it was radio silence....my question is what the hell did she think her first clients would be like? I know I'm wrong by asking all these things to a newbie. I'm sure she thought it was gonna be pretty woman stylee. I know I was straight  to the point in what services I wanted, and maybe that was wrong to do to a newbie.

Do you think if she really wants to enter the business she's just expecting men to melt when they pick up the phone?
Do you think most men do melt?
Are those of us that read UKP a different bread to most?.

A while ago I was in a convo with a girl in her 30's who'd worked in parlours for years "HMD I've been in this business for years" ( as she was texting me a "special offer")   I said with all the conviction of a UKP member "it just isn't like that anymore, without upping your game the only extras you can charge for are anal and CIM"

Do we have it right in the main or are we just a super breed of punter who don't really know the realities of what most guys settle for?

HMD   
               

I think people who read this forum are more aware. They have to be. And I bet there are a lot of lurkers as well, I was one for months before registering.

Having said that, the girl you are talking about wouldn't have got past my original screening. As soon as I hear negotiation of the kind you describe and evasive talk I lose interest very quickly.

I find black girls to be generally a lot more reliable. I've never actually been messed around by one once I have reached the meeting stage, they have all been really good. Unlike a high percentage of white girls - particularly EE's - who lie like hell to get you through the door and then take the mickey big time.