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vorian

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I have noticed that some WG's find dirty talking very hard to do well, even good ones who offer all services can be horrified when asked to talk dirty and they are rubbish at it. Seems an easier thing to do than taking a massive cock up the arse.

Do punters like it and does it help them pop.

Any good or bad examples of

Any hints and Tips from WG members

Offline darkvamp

Totally agree with you, the majority of them seem to be rubbish at it. So far only met two WG's that could do it well & sadly both of them are now retired from the game. Seems to be a dying talent or I'm booking the wrong girls lol

vorian

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Totally agree with you, the majority of them seem to be rubbish at it. So far only met two WG's that could do it well & sadly both of them are now retired from the game. Seems to be a dying talent or I'm booking the wrong girls lol

It is a bit weird which is why I asked the question,  I can fuck their arse,  cim, even piss on them, but they turn red and go shy and clam up if I ask for them to talk dirty to me. I don't get it.

Offline NIK

Most 'dirty talk' is crap.

About as erotic as the fat slags on SAAFE.

I have come across very few prossies who could do it well. Then again I couldn't myself.

Offline darkvamp

Best WG for it had to be Rebecca More! Might have been the fact she was a professional porn star but one min she was talking like a sweetie then the next she was calling me a dirty fuck & saying she was gonna drained the cum from my cock as she wanted it in her tummy!

vorian

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Most 'dirty talk' is crap.

About as erotic as the fat slags on SAAFE.

I have come across very few prossies who could do it well. Then again I couldn't myself.

No your right NIK it does seem like a skill few prossies have mastered but can't see why they wouldn't learn it if there is a demand. Your right I couldn't do it myself either but I bet both of us would learn quickly if I was going to get paid £100ph.

vorian

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Best WG for it had to be Rebecca More! Might have been the fact she was a professional porn star but one min she was talking like a sweetie then the next she was calling me a dirty fuck & saying she was gonna drained the cum from my cock as she wanted it in her tummy!

That's more like It, thats the sort of thing I want to hear from a prossie, so why are they on the whole so shit at it.

 I'm laying there with my cock in your mouth love and you blush and panic if I ask you to talk dirty.

Offline darkvamp

That's more like It, thats the sort of thing I want to hear from a prossie, so why are they on the whole so shit at it.

 I'm laying there with my cock in your mouth love and you blush and panic if I ask you to talk dirty.

She was the best, fucking her up the arse and warned her I was about to cum and she told me to empty my balls up there!

Most expensive punt at £250 for the hour but the best punt ever :)
« Last Edit: January 18, 2014, 12:38:50 am by darkvamp »

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The best girl I've ever known for it was the incomparable Carla Louise of Sheffield, the best girl I've ever seen. She didn't even need to swear, but was incredibly erotic.

However when they say stuff like, 'fuck me with you big cock big boy' my 'big cock' usually becomes a little one.  :lol:

vorian

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She was the best, fucking her up the arse and warned her I was about to cum and she told me to empty my balls up there!

Most expensive punt at £250 for the hour but the best punt ever :)

Maybe the more you pay the better dirty talk you get. Makes sense a "cheap" EE probably can't do dirty talk as all, as you would'nt understand a fucking word she was saying.

Makes sense   £More  = Better dirty talk     £Less = worse dirty talk.

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Maybe the more you pay the better dirty talk you get. Makes sense a "cheap" EE probably can't do dirty talk as all, as you would'nt understand a fucking word she was saying.

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

vorian

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The best girl I've ever known for it was the incomparable Carla Louise of Sheffield, the best girl I've ever seen. She didn't even need to swear, but was incredibly erotic.

However when they say stuff like, 'fuck me with you big cock big boy' my 'big cock' usually becomes a little one.  :lol:

I know what you mean is PSE dirty talk different to GFE dirty talk. Joking apart I'm really not saying it is easy but a prossie should learn how to do it, if nothing else for her own benefit.

I haven't heard from a punter yet who doesn't like dirty talk if it is done right. Should be a basic skill of a prossie like cock sucking or cowgirl.

Offline Poppyxx

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I'm in trouble then  :scare:
I openly admit that I do not talk dirty, and I do make sure that any punters that would expect that from me are aware of that.

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I have noticed that some WG's find dirty talking very hard to do well, even good ones who offer all services can be horrified when asked to talk dirty and they are rubbish at it. Seems an easier thing to do than taking a massive cock up the arse.

Do punters like it and does it help them pop.

Any good or bad examples of

Any hints and Tips from WG members

Its usually embarrassment in my experiences, hard to believe i know considering what being a WG entails, they simply dont know what to say, with some others its just a laugh and they cant keep a straight face. The good ones like Keira Pharrell can spout a stream of filth without hesitation. She also happens to have a husky voice which is damn sexy in my view. For some WGs being fucked up the arse is easier than talking dirty as they are used to the former.

I love it and particularly enjoy stereophonic dirty talk, one WG in each ear, can be whispered or said out loud.

Offline valdishere

Totally agree with comments here and it’s not just WG’s that find it hard to do Wife’s GFriend’s too.
Think everyone’s seen too much porn and like bad actors it’s a poor imitation for most unless it’s a long-term partner and you both get into it as a fantasy foreplay thing otherwise you feel a right prat.
I once had a pickup at a party I was mid 20’s and this older woman made it obvious she was up for bit of fun. Went back to her place told me husband away for week on business and got right into it.
However during round 2 she started all this so called sexy talk “C’mon big boy pump it into me and make me cum with that big cock of yours….. ride me you lovely fucker……da da da etc!!”
Did nothing for me and I initially lost hard-on to a semi but realised she was obviously into it so played along and responded how she wanted to be spoken too but really didn’t enjoy that type of banter during sex.
Fuck I’m only 5-9 and average size but did have loads of muscle bulk and six pack in those days.
Each to their own I say but best leave it to porn stars that can carry it off I say.   

vorian

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I'm in trouble then  :scare:
I openly admit that I do not talk dirty, and I do make sure that any punters that would expect that from me are aware of that.

Of course that is fine your honest no problem, I'm not saying everyone should, but no one seems to expect it as a service.

Most punters like and want to get their cock sucked   =      WG learns how to give good head   = Happy Customers  = More money for WG

Most punters like to hear quality dirty talk                  =       WG can't do it/doesn't offer it          = Not so Happy?????     =  ??????????

Some punters rave about certain WG eg Madlin Moon maybe one of the reasons they rave is because she has mastered the skill.

Why is the ability to talk dirty well seeming a rare one but one that again  appears to be in demand.

vorian

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Its usually embarrassment in my experiences, hard to believe i know considering what being a WG entails, they simply dont know what to say, with some others its just a laugh and they cant keep a straight face. The good ones like Keira Pharrell can spout a stream of filth without hesitation. She also happens to have a husky voice which is damn sexy in my view. For some WGs being fucked up the arse is easier than talking dirty as they are used to the former.

I love it and particularly enjoy stereophonic dirty talk, one WG in each ear, can be whispered or said out loud.

Agree smiths as usual with everything you say but why are the majority so crap at something that nearly every time a punter talks about being done well. You can almost hear the blood flowing to their cocks.

vorian

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Totally agree with comments here and it’s not just WG’s that find it hard to do Wife’s GFriend’s too.
Think everyone’s seen too much porn and like bad actors it’s a poor imitation for most unless it’s a long-term partner and you both get into it as a fantasy foreplay thing otherwise you feel a right prat.
I once had a pickup at a party I was mid 20’s and this older woman made it obvious she was up for bit of fun. Went back to her place told me husband away for week on business and got right into it.
However during round 2 she started all this so called sexy talk “C’mon big boy pump it into me and make me cum with that big cock of yours….. ride me you lovely fucker……da da da etc!!”
Did nothing for me and I initially lost hard-on to a semi but realised she was obviously into it so played along and responded how she wanted to be spoken too but really didn’t enjoy that type of banter during sex.
Fuck I’m only 5-9 and average size but did have loads of muscle bulk and six pack in those days.
Each to their own I say but best leave it to porn stars that can carry it off I say.

The embarrassing attempts to copy porn is off putting I agree but WG's should be adaptive to the needs of the market. If it was only the bad ones who were crap at dirty talk I could understand. However I have had WG who excel at everything else, real gold standard but even they are totally crap at dirty talk.

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Perhaps precisely for that reason, because it is a rarity?
And I agree on the point about more skill equals more money, but if skill is not mastered and done just for the sake of more money then surely it equals a bad punt.

vorian

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Perhaps precisely for that reason, because it is a rarity?
And I agree on the point about more skill equals more money, but if skill is not mastered and done just for the sake of more money then surely it equals a bad punt.

No you are right of course I was being simplistic and I do see your point about a rare skill having more perceived value to a punter. Still as a WG. I am very interested to get your take on why it is such a hard skill to master. Where as a large part of a WG role is to maintain a persona and convince the punter of a number of things. Surely this is acting which good WG do very well. Is dirty talk not just an extension of these acting skills. As I said if it was only bad WG who were bad at dirty talk I could understand it but many of the best imho are as well. That must mean something very odd is going on here.

Offline smiths

Agree smiths as usual with everything you say but why are the majority so crap at something that nearly every time a punter talks about being done well. You can almost hear the blood flowing to their cocks.

Takes time for many to learn what to say i imagine. To do dirty talk convincingly enough to be a turn-on to me it has to have timing and knowing exactly what to say and when to say it. Lame is my view of many WGs on this even if not embarrassed and/or giggling.

One of the best was the fabulous Shamila from Venezuela (so she said, she was defintely foreign though) at LMP now gone so English wasnt her first language, she was excellent at it.

vorian

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Takes time for many to learn what to say i imagine. To do dirty talk convincingly enough to be a turn-on to me it has to have timing and knowing exactly what to say and when to say it. Lame is my view of many WGs on this even if not embarrassed and/or giggling.

One of the best was the fabulous Shamila from Venezuela (so she said, she was defintely foreign though) at LMP now gone so English wasnt her first language, she was excellent at it.

Quite right I would also imagine it take time to learn how to do anal or DT or any one of many services a good WG would need to master. So why do even the good ones choose not to master this skill is it a lack of effort or a lack of understanding.

 I certainly think the demand is there but no one has ever suggested putting dirty talk as an AW profile like. But period play is, would more punters be interested in booking a WG who has mastered that skill as opposed to many other likes on AW.

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I cannot comment generally on why it seems such a hard thing to master, as I used to be under impression that it should be the basic  skill and that everyone is capable of doing it with a bit of practice.
Perhaps the reason I cannot do it is because I associate it with porn movies, and apart from the obvious sex act the rest is just plain terrible acting (or am I watching wrong kind of porn).
Also if acting is required on WG's part then I must be a terrible punt, as I never feel a need to act in any sense, I do and behave the same as I do in my personal sex life, and talking dirty is not a part of it.
Sorry can't offer any better explanation, as this is the subject that I often wonder about .

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I cannot comment generally on why it seems such a hard thing to master, as I used to be under impression that it should be the basic  skill and that everyone is capable of doing it with a bit of practice.
Perhaps the reason I cannot do it is because I associate it with porn movies, and apart from the obvious sex act the rest is just plain terrible acting (or am I watching wrong kind of porn).
Also if acting is required on WG's part then I must be a terrible punt, as I never feel a need to act in any sense, I do and behave the same as I do in my personal sex life, and talking dirty is not a part of it.
Sorry can't offer any better explanation, as this is the subject that I often wonder about .

Sounds like you are watching Storyboarded porn rather than Gonzo. I am only interested in Gonzo, the actors acting skills arent of interest to me, just their fucking and sucking skills or whatever the themed kink is.

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Haha yes perhaps. Saying that I do not watch porn these days as visually it doesn't do much for me. I am more into a sensory perception of sex than visually.

vorian

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I cannot comment generally on why it seems such a hard thing to master, as I used to be under impression that it should be the basic  skill and that everyone is capable of doing it with a bit of practice.
Perhaps the reason I cannot do it is because I associate it with porn movies, and apart from the obvious sex act the rest is just plain terrible acting (or am I watching wrong kind of porn).
Also if acting is required on WG's part then I must be a terrible punt, as I never feel a need to act in any sense, I do and behave the same as I do in my personal sex life, and talking dirty is not a part of it.
Sorry can't offer any better explanation, as this is the subject that I often wonder about .

Thank you for your insight, I always assume that a little bit of acting is required by a WG as sometimes in reality you aren't going to be attracted to a punter, still you have to convince and act as though you are to that punter. I don't see anything at all wrong with that, a checkout operator at Tesco's also has to act a bit when focusing on given good customer service.

You raise a very interesting point about porn which I will throw out there, has the rise and availability of internet pornography mean that WG are more influenced by that in recent years recognise the terrible acting and then cannot bear to think they might be giving that impression when dirty talking.

It seems to strike fear into many WG hearts. For example a very, very good regular of mine makes me turn the sound down to zero if we are watching a short clip of porn on my phone to get an idea about something. Now this WG is gold standard but even she will cringe and refuse me if I don't turn the sound down that is a very strong reaction to have.

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I'm sure that acting is required and that some if not many do it and do it very well. Especially if offering a PSE.
Also a widespread availability of porn especially free internet porn has to do a lot with that, it certainly cringes me out. Occasionally I have tried dirty talking but it was more from an amusement point which ended up in a fits of laughter both on my and the punters part.
Funnily enough when point is raised most of them say they don't really like it themselves as it makes them think that WG's are just acting and makes them wonder the genuinity of a punt.

vorian

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I'm sure that acting is required and that some if not many do it and do it very well. Especially if offering a PSE.
Also a widespread availability of porn especially free internet porn has to do a lot with that, it certainly cringes me out. Occasionally I have tried dirty talking but it was more from an amusement point which ended up in a fits of laughter both on my and the punters part.
Funnily enough when point is raised most of them say they don't really like it themselves as it makes them think that WG's are just acting and makes them wonder the genuinity of a punt.

Ok the acting aside,  are the punters saying they don't like dirty talk at all or are they saying they don't like it being done badly. As you said you have tried dirty talk from an amusement point of view and you both have ended up laughing. I'm not trying to make this about you personally but I do value your input. If you tried to give head from an amusing point of view which ended up in laughing would the punter think no lets not do that.

The point I am trying to make badly is dirty talking is just another skill/service which if done to a high standard is beneficial to the punter and the WG. Of course also that means it is a service that the WG has the right to offer or not to offer it is her choice.

I am trying to understand why this skill is singled out as being almost uniquely feared by nearly all WG and the amount of effort it would take to master is seems proportional to the benefits have that skill would bring.
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Hmmm just putting a thought out there, maybe simple reason is lack of interest or laziness on WG's part? Including myself.
Like any other skill  in any other business it is something that can be learned and perfected but requires effort.

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Hmmm just putting a thought out there, maybe simple reason is lack of interest or laziness on WG's part? Including myself.
Like any other skill  in any other business it is something that can be learned and perfected but requires effort.

Indeed, and also at a base level a WG can open her legs and suck a cock but might not have the verbal skills to be able to talk dirty convincingly or the interest as you say in learning how to being too lazy to, or perhaps because through her previous experiences she knows she doesnt need to learn how to as not enough punters ask for it so she feels its not worth bothering learning.

vorian

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Hmmm just putting a thought out there, maybe simple reason is lack of interest or laziness on WG's part? Including myself.
Like any other skill  in any other business it is something that can be learned and perfected but requires effort.

Again I have know way of knowing how you operate personally and to a degree I would agree regarding interest and laziness if I was only talking about "Bad" or even "Neutral" WG's but the "Good" ones too seem to have a real problem with it too. So there is also some underlying factor involved as well which might well be the porn angle (Would need some more thought). Even if there is it would seem a competitive advantage could be gained by mastering this skill/service whether that advantage is worth a WG time and effort well that is up to them. However if you think back DFK was rare 20/30 years ago and because some new WG offered this service others had to too to maintain to position within the market. Is good dirty talking the next big thing????

vorian

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Indeed, and also at a base level a WG can open her legs and suck a cock but might not have the verbal skills to be able to talk dirty convincingly or the interest as you say in learning how to being too lazy to, or perhaps because through her previous experiences she knows she doesnt need to learn how to as not enough punters ask for it so she feels its not worth bothering learning.

All good points, and I know we are back to never being able to know for sure but is it a lack of demand for that service or a lack of expectation from the punter regarding the quality that leads to that service not being offered or performed to a poor standard. As I said it is not on the likes list. So how does a punter go about choosing a WG who can do it to a high standard.

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All good points, and I know we are back to never being able to know for sure but is it a lack of demand for that service or a lack of expectation from the punter regarding the quality that leads to that service not being offered or performed to a poor standard. As I said it is not on the likes list. So how does a punter go about choosing a WG who can do it to a high standard.

I dont know the answer to your first point. Reading other credible to them punters Feedback, otherwise like Shamila i mentioned earlier its a case of finding out out of the blue is my answer to your second point.

vorian

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I dont know the answer to your first point. Reading other credible to them punters Feedback, otherwise like Shamila i mentioned earlier its a case of finding out out of the blue is my answer to your second point.

My thoughts as well. Do you think it would give a WG an advantage over others to have mastered this skill obviously as part of a larger group of considerations.

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Probably not the best way to do it as there is no guarantee of getting an honest response, but the only option is to ask a question and specify that it is something that is of great importance to you. I would say look at her feedback but we all know that can be deceiving as well. Or perhaps a phone chat feedback as that could be a pretty good indicator, as phone chat by standard consists of talking dirty? Back to the drawing board on that one.
Luckily for me I am very rarely asked for that service as 90% of my punters are after GFE and that does not require any dirty talking.

vorian

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Probably not the best way to do it as there is no guarantee of getting an honest response, but the only option is to ask a question and specify that it is something that is of great importance to you. I would say look at her feedback but we all know that can be deceiving as well. Or perhaps a phone chat feedback as that could be a pretty good indicator, as phone chat by standard consists of talking dirty? Back to the drawing board on that one.
Luckily for me I am very rarely asked for that service as 90% of my punters are after GFE and that does not require any dirty talking.

Totally agree, however can't see a phone chat being a good way to asses. I'm sure most WG would hang up and mark you as "Phone Wanker" if I asked can you please give me an example of your dirty talk. Out of interest why do you say GFE requires no dirty talking. Although what dirty talk is defined as is not established I for one am not talking about Porn Style Big Cock Fuck me, Fuck me type dirty talk but a much more subtle approach. Maybe that is the problem unlike OWO there is no clear definition of what dirty talk is.

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My thoughts as well. Do you think it would give a WG an advantage over others to have mastered this skill obviously as part of a larger group of considerations.

Couldnt hurt, but its how often proper dirty talk as a service not just a quick exchange of fuck me you bitch etc etc is asked for by punters.

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Probably not the best way to do it as there is no guarantee of getting an honest response, but the only option is to ask a question and specify that it is something that is of great importance to you. I would say look at her feedback but we all know that can be deceiving as well. Or perhaps a phone chat feedback as that could be a pretty good indicator, as phone chat by standard consists of talking dirty? Back to the drawing board on that one.
Luckily for me I am very rarely asked for that service as 90% of my punters are after GFE and that does not require any dirty talking.

I NEVER talk dirty to WGs on the phone, when i am initially enquiring, booking and confirming its just factual information i am requiring. Some WGs at least would view a newbie punter to them talking dirty on the phone to them as a timewaster looking to get his rocks off.

vorian

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Couldnt hurt, but its how often proper dirty talk as a service not just a quick exchange of fuck me you bitch etc etc is asked for by punters.

Guess a problem would be what is the definition of what proper dirty talk is as like so many other things totally subjective. However if a WG can get over her fears or laziness and learn the skills then she should be able to tailor it for the individual punter.

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My definition of what dirty talk entails is based on a porn movies so perhaps missing the whole point of it.
You've raised a good point re GFE, I've never associated dirty talking with it. Heavy breathing, oohh and ahhh type of noises which come naturally would be more my definition.

vorian

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My definition of what dirty talk entails is based on a porn movies so perhaps missing the whole point of it.
You've raised a good point re GFE, I've never associated dirty talking with it. Heavy breathing, oohh and ahhh type of noises which come naturally would be more my definition.

As you said maybe the definition of how dirty talk can be defined as is an underlying problem. For me a whispering in the ear encouraging phrase could be dirty talk and use of swear words not completely mandatory. I think I may take this problem back to my regular and see if we can work on it together. Think it does have a place in GFE just in a more subtle way probably more based around when, how and where to pop and less so during penetration.   

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Lightbulb  moment  :yahoo: Sweet talk you mean? Oh yes guilty of whispering sweet nothings in punter's ears.....

vorian

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Lightbulb  moment  :yahoo: Sweet talk you mean? Oh yes guilty of whispering sweet nothings in punter's ears.....

Now that is very interesting so you would define "Dirty talk" as pornstar style, fuck me fuck me shouting, but whispering in someone ear I want you to come in my mouth fo example as "Sweet talk" that phrase I have never heard before btw.

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Funny you should say that, yes I have asked for CIM while whispering in the ear  :lol:

vorian

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Funny you should say that, yes I have asked for CIM while whispering in the ear  :lol:

OK so we seem to have a more clear understanding now again don't just want to make this about you but you would say no to shouting but yes to whispers. So it is not the words you are using (could you for example swear whilst doing sweet talk, ie I want you to fucking cim) or is the swearing a no no. Or is it the loudness, the reason I ask as the loudness is pure porno film and you would never be able to film "sweet talk" as such due to the volume. Do the problems with loud dirty talk relate to the influence of cheesy dialogue porn films.

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Think you are onto something here. Yes it is not about using the swear words (although wouldn't use can you fucking cum in my mouth, but yes to I want you to fuck me for example), but it's in the tone of the voice. Saying it quietly and seductively as opposed to loud and crude.

vorian

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Think you are onto something here. Yes it is not about using the swear words (although wouldn't use can you fucking cum in my mouth, but yes to I want you to fuck me for example), but it's in the tone of the voice. Saying it quietly and seductively as opposed to loud and crude.

Ok very interesting I will have to think some more about this loud and crude of toning that down but still getting the same effect, seems to be the issue there must be a way of mixing the two together. Well must sign off for now, good debating with you.

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to be honest i hardly ever get asked for dirty talk but when I do and it's out of the blue I just get totally stumped. I just kind of sit there and think 'hmmm what do I say' if it's something asked for before then I just prepare myself beforehand and enter the room in a different persona, it's just when it's sprung on me that I have difficulty. I always just imagine the thing i'm saying will be really cringe worthy and make me look like the girls you see on Babestation etc spouting filth and looking like am idiot ... maybe it's something to learn to do in a heartbeat

vorian

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It seems that some of our prossie member's are saying there is little call for dirty talk or even sweet talk as a service.  I'm not sure if it is a lack of demand from punters or a service that is so poorly done on the whole that punters don't bother, what do other members think.

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Lightbulb  moment  :yahoo: Sweet talk you mean? Oh yes guilty of whispering sweet nothings in punter's ears.....

vorian, I was with poppy thinking you wanted a WG to scream “Fuck me harder” while you had sex. This could be the problem when you request a WG talks dirty to you, as they may make the same mistake.
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