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Author Topic: Dirty Talk Why Do Some WG's Find It So Hard To Do Well  (Read 8040 times)

Offline vorian

I cannot comment generally on why it seems such a hard thing to master, as I used to be under impression that it should be the basic  skill and that everyone is capable of doing it with a bit of practice.
Perhaps the reason I cannot do it is because I associate it with porn movies, and apart from the obvious sex act the rest is just plain terrible acting (or am I watching wrong kind of porn).
Also if acting is required on WG's part then I must be a terrible punt, as I never feel a need to act in any sense, I do and behave the same as I do in my personal sex life, and talking dirty is not a part of it.
Sorry can't offer any better explanation, as this is the subject that I often wonder about .

Thank you for your insight, I always assume that a little bit of acting is required by a WG as sometimes in reality you aren't going to be attracted to a punter, still you have to convince and act as though you are to that punter. I don't see anything at all wrong with that, a checkout operator at Tesco's also has to act a bit when focusing on given good customer service.

You raise a very interesting point about porn which I will throw out there, has the rise and availability of internet pornography mean that WG are more influenced by that in recent years recognise the terrible acting and then cannot bear to think they might be giving that impression when dirty talking.

It seems to strike fear into many WG hearts. For example a very, very good regular of mine makes me turn the sound down to zero if we are watching a short clip of porn on my phone to get an idea about something. Now this WG is gold standard but even she will cringe and refuse me if I don't turn the sound down that is a very strong reaction to have.
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Offline Poppyxx

I'm sure that acting is required and that some if not many do it and do it very well. Especially if offering a PSE.
Also a widespread availability of porn especially free internet porn has to do a lot with that, it certainly cringes me out. Occasionally I have tried dirty talking but it was more from an amusement point which ended up in a fits of laughter both on my and the punters part.
Funnily enough when point is raised most of them say they don't really like it themselves as it makes them think that WG's are just acting and makes them wonder the genuinity of a punt.

Offline vorian

I'm sure that acting is required and that some if not many do it and do it very well. Especially if offering a PSE.
Also a widespread availability of porn especially free internet porn has to do a lot with that, it certainly cringes me out. Occasionally I have tried dirty talking but it was more from an amusement point which ended up in a fits of laughter both on my and the punters part.
Funnily enough when point is raised most of them say they don't really like it themselves as it makes them think that WG's are just acting and makes them wonder the genuinity of a punt.

Ok the acting aside,  are the punters saying they don't like dirty talk at all or are they saying they don't like it being done badly. As you said you have tried dirty talk from an amusement point of view and you both have ended up laughing. I'm not trying to make this about you personally but I do value your input. If you tried to give head from an amusing point of view which ended up in laughing would the punter think no lets not do that.

The point I am trying to make badly is dirty talking is just another skill/service which if done to a high standard is beneficial to the punter and the WG. Of course also that means it is a service that the WG has the right to offer or not to offer it is her choice.

I am trying to understand why this skill is singled out as being almost uniquely feared by nearly all WG and the amount of effort it would take to master is seems proportional to the benefits have that skill would bring.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2014, 02:55:55 AM by vorian »
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Offline Poppyxx

Hmmm just putting a thought out there, maybe simple reason is lack of interest or laziness on WG's part? Including myself.
Like any other skill  in any other business it is something that can be learned and perfected but requires effort.

Offline smiths

Hmmm just putting a thought out there, maybe simple reason is lack of interest or laziness on WG's part? Including myself.
Like any other skill  in any other business it is something that can be learned and perfected but requires effort.

Indeed, and also at a base level a WG can open her legs and suck a cock but might not have the verbal skills to be able to talk dirty convincingly or the interest as you say in learning how to being too lazy to, or perhaps because through her previous experiences she knows she doesnt need to learn how to as not enough punters ask for it so she feels its not worth bothering learning.

Offline vorian

Hmmm just putting a thought out there, maybe simple reason is lack of interest or laziness on WG's part? Including myself.
Like any other skill  in any other business it is something that can be learned and perfected but requires effort.

Again I have know way of knowing how you operate personally and to a degree I would agree regarding interest and laziness if I was only talking about "Bad" or even "Neutral" WG's but the "Good" ones too seem to have a real problem with it too. So there is also some underlying factor involved as well which might well be the porn angle (Would need some more thought). Even if there is it would seem a competitive advantage could be gained by mastering this skill/service whether that advantage is worth a WG time and effort well that is up to them. However if you think back DFK was rare 20/30 years ago and because some new WG offered this service others had to too to maintain to position within the market. Is good dirty talking the next big thing????
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Offline vorian

Indeed, and also at a base level a WG can open her legs and suck a cock but might not have the verbal skills to be able to talk dirty convincingly or the interest as you say in learning how to being too lazy to, or perhaps because through her previous experiences she knows she doesnt need to learn how to as not enough punters ask for it so she feels its not worth bothering learning.

All good points, and I know we are back to never being able to know for sure but is it a lack of demand for that service or a lack of expectation from the punter regarding the quality that leads to that service not being offered or performed to a poor standard. As I said it is not on the likes list. So how does a punter go about choosing a WG who can do it to a high standard.
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Offline smiths

All good points, and I know we are back to never being able to know for sure but is it a lack of demand for that service or a lack of expectation from the punter regarding the quality that leads to that service not being offered or performed to a poor standard. As I said it is not on the likes list. So how does a punter go about choosing a WG who can do it to a high standard.

I dont know the answer to your first point. Reading other credible to them punters Feedback, otherwise like Shamila i mentioned earlier its a case of finding out out of the blue is my answer to your second point.

Offline vorian

I dont know the answer to your first point. Reading other credible to them punters Feedback, otherwise like Shamila i mentioned earlier its a case of finding out out of the blue is my answer to your second point.

My thoughts as well. Do you think it would give a WG an advantage over others to have mastered this skill obviously as part of a larger group of considerations.
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Offline Poppyxx

Probably not the best way to do it as there is no guarantee of getting an honest response, but the only option is to ask a question and specify that it is something that is of great importance to you. I would say look at her feedback but we all know that can be deceiving as well. Or perhaps a phone chat feedback as that could be a pretty good indicator, as phone chat by standard consists of talking dirty? Back to the drawing board on that one.
Luckily for me I am very rarely asked for that service as 90% of my punters are after GFE and that does not require any dirty talking.

Offline vorian

Probably not the best way to do it as there is no guarantee of getting an honest response, but the only option is to ask a question and specify that it is something that is of great importance to you. I would say look at her feedback but we all know that can be deceiving as well. Or perhaps a phone chat feedback as that could be a pretty good indicator, as phone chat by standard consists of talking dirty? Back to the drawing board on that one.
Luckily for me I am very rarely asked for that service as 90% of my punters are after GFE and that does not require any dirty talking.

Totally agree, however can't see a phone chat being a good way to asses. I'm sure most WG would hang up and mark you as "Phone Wanker" if I asked can you please give me an example of your dirty talk. Out of interest why do you say GFE requires no dirty talking. Although what dirty talk is defined as is not established I for one am not talking about Porn Style Big Cock Fuck me, Fuck me type dirty talk but a much more subtle approach. Maybe that is the problem unlike OWO there is no clear definition of what dirty talk is.
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Offline smiths

My thoughts as well. Do you think it would give a WG an advantage over others to have mastered this skill obviously as part of a larger group of considerations.

Couldnt hurt, but its how often proper dirty talk as a service not just a quick exchange of fuck me you bitch etc etc is asked for by punters.

Offline smiths

Probably not the best way to do it as there is no guarantee of getting an honest response, but the only option is to ask a question and specify that it is something that is of great importance to you. I would say look at her feedback but we all know that can be deceiving as well. Or perhaps a phone chat feedback as that could be a pretty good indicator, as phone chat by standard consists of talking dirty? Back to the drawing board on that one.
Luckily for me I am very rarely asked for that service as 90% of my punters are after GFE and that does not require any dirty talking.

I NEVER talk dirty to WGs on the phone, when i am initially enquiring, booking and confirming its just factual information i am requiring. Some WGs at least would view a newbie punter to them talking dirty on the phone to them as a timewaster looking to get his rocks off.

Offline vorian

Couldnt hurt, but its how often proper dirty talk as a service not just a quick exchange of fuck me you bitch etc etc is asked for by punters.

Guess a problem would be what is the definition of what proper dirty talk is as like so many other things totally subjective. However if a WG can get over her fears or laziness and learn the skills then she should be able to tailor it for the individual punter.
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Offline Poppyxx

My definition of what dirty talk entails is based on a porn movies so perhaps missing the whole point of it.
You've raised a good point re GFE, I've never associated dirty talking with it. Heavy breathing, oohh and ahhh type of noises which come naturally would be more my definition.

Offline vorian

My definition of what dirty talk entails is based on a porn movies so perhaps missing the whole point of it.
You've raised a good point re GFE, I've never associated dirty talking with it. Heavy breathing, oohh and ahhh type of noises which come naturally would be more my definition.

As you said maybe the definition of how dirty talk can be defined as is an underlying problem. For me a whispering in the ear encouraging phrase could be dirty talk and use of swear words not completely mandatory. I think I may take this problem back to my regular and see if we can work on it together. Think it does have a place in GFE just in a more subtle way probably more based around when, how and where to pop and less so during penetration.   
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Offline Poppyxx

Lightbulb  moment  :yahoo: Sweet talk you mean? Oh yes guilty of whispering sweet nothings in punter's ears.....

Offline vorian

Lightbulb  moment  :yahoo: Sweet talk you mean? Oh yes guilty of whispering sweet nothings in punter's ears.....

Now that is very interesting so you would define "Dirty talk" as pornstar style, fuck me fuck me shouting, but whispering in someone ear I want you to come in my mouth fo example as "Sweet talk" that phrase I have never heard before btw.
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Offline Poppyxx

Funny you should say that, yes I have asked for CIM while whispering in the ear  :lol:

Offline vorian

Funny you should say that, yes I have asked for CIM while whispering in the ear  :lol:

OK so we seem to have a more clear understanding now again don't just want to make this about you but you would say no to shouting but yes to whispers. So it is not the words you are using (could you for example swear whilst doing sweet talk, ie I want you to fucking cim) or is the swearing a no no. Or is it the loudness, the reason I ask as the loudness is pure porno film and you would never be able to film "sweet talk" as such due to the volume. Do the problems with loud dirty talk relate to the influence of cheesy dialogue porn films.
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Offline Poppyxx

Think you are onto something here. Yes it is not about using the swear words (although wouldn't use can you fucking cum in my mouth, but yes to I want you to fuck me for example), but it's in the tone of the voice. Saying it quietly and seductively as opposed to loud and crude.

Offline vorian

Think you are onto something here. Yes it is not about using the swear words (although wouldn't use can you fucking cum in my mouth, but yes to I want you to fuck me for example), but it's in the tone of the voice. Saying it quietly and seductively as opposed to loud and crude.

Ok very interesting I will have to think some more about this loud and crude of toning that down but still getting the same effect, seems to be the issue there must be a way of mixing the two together. Well must sign off for now, good debating with you.
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Offline MidlandsEscortxo

to be honest i hardly ever get asked for dirty talk but when I do and it's out of the blue I just get totally stumped. I just kind of sit there and think 'hmmm what do I say' if it's something asked for before then I just prepare myself beforehand and enter the room in a different persona, it's just when it's sprung on me that I have difficulty. I always just imagine the thing i'm saying will be really cringe worthy and make me look like the girls you see on Babestation etc spouting filth and looking like am idiot ... maybe it's something to learn to do in a heartbeat

Offline vorian

It seems that some of our prossie member's are saying there is little call for dirty talk or even sweet talk as a service.  I'm not sure if it is a lack of demand from punters or a service that is so poorly done on the whole that punters don't bother, what do other members think.
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Offline BristolP

Lightbulb  moment  :yahoo: Sweet talk you mean? Oh yes guilty of whispering sweet nothings in punter's ears.....

vorian, I was with poppy thinking you wanted a WG to scream “Fuck me harder” while you had sex. This could be the problem when you request a WG talks dirty to you, as they may make the same mistake.
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