Cauldron Ladies

[The Outsider]

Who is Lucy Snow?

Wasn't she previously Miss Lucy? Early 40s, North Tyneside way?

[bushman]

Might be real name?

Maybe someone from the group reading this thread can let us know?

Much obliged ladies

Nae chance that's a real name. I believe Lydia said all used working names or pseudonyms. Who's started the group Milly or Lydia?

[AnthG]

Also, if you're getting up to date screenshots, the group clearly has more leaks than a sieve.

I get the strong feeling, with WGs, when one girl does it, the rest go, If she has done it, I can too. It will be infighting with more snapshots going about from every girl now in the group than from David Bailey

[AnthG]

Who's started the group Milly or Lydia?

The group was started by Amy the old owner of Bonds. And that's not her real name, as, during the MissyD fight, MissyD started using Amy's real name during the fight on the forum.

[datwabbit]

Wasn't she previously Miss Lucy? Early 40s, North Tyneside way?

Good call. Can't see any posts on UKE to check. She had issues with aw and left it. She changed her name.

[bushman]

Just a minor point, but it's worth noting that Scarlett actually acknowledges the report to be false.  Hopefully that was the conclusion of the majority.   

Also, if you're getting up to date screenshots, the group clearly has more leaks than a sieve.

Virtual don't even punt in the NE. Massive holes in that sieve.

[daviemac]

Wasn't she previously Miss Lucy? Early 40s, North Tyneside way?

She was External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only no longer active now though.

We know that the list of ladies so far listed isn't the only ones that is part of the group. Who else should be part of that list? It is shit what they have done to Wayne end of. However that was done by assuming one person? But the slagging off and sharing punter info was done by the whole group. Guilty by association – Law of joint Enterprise etc. Who say that the informant has not shared other punter info with the rest of the group in the past.

Just for the record I think a WhatsApp group used for WG's safety is easier for WG's to operate and update. But it should be used for the right reasons.
 

Wane was reported on UM by someone who may or may not be part of the WatsApp group, likewise who told him about that report may or may not have slagged punters off in the WhatsApp group. What are you going to gain by Wayne's source being revealed which would result in her being ostracised from that group. The main issue, in my opinion, is the report on UM not a group of prossies talking amongst themselves in a local private chat group.

It's up to the individual to decide whether or not to punt with the ones we know have slagged punters off, that will bother some more than others. As I have said before I form my own opinions on who I book with based on their comments on UKE and information posted on here. None of the one's mentioned in this saga will get my money but that doesn't mean the ones I will book haven't slagged punters off in some other group and no one knows about it.

By your theory as we get trolls on this forum and we are all members we must all be trolls, guilt by association doesn't work like that though.

[bushman]

She was External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only no longer active now though.

No longer active but still talking shit.

[daviemac]

No longer active but still talking shit.

I didn't say she wasn't talking shit, I'm just answering the questions on who she is and pointing out that her AW profile is no longer active.       

[Zooms]

She was External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only no longer active now though.

Wane was reported on UM by someone who may or may not be part of the WatsApp group, likewise who told him about that report may or may not have slagged punters off in the WhatsApp group. What are you going to gain by Wayne's source being revealed which would result in her being ostracised from that group. The main issue, in my opinion, is the report on UM not a group of prossies talking amongst themselves in a local private chat group.

It's up to the individual to decide whether or not to punt with the ones we know have slagged punters off, that will bother some more than others. As I have said before I form my own opinions on who I book with based on their comments on UKE and information posted on here. None of the one's mentioned in this saga will get my money but that doesn't mean the ones I will book haven't slagged punters off in some other group and no one knows about it.

By your theory as we get trolls on this forum and we are all members we must all be trolls, guilt by association doesn't work like that though.

Well said mate

[bushman]

Well said mate

Let me put it this way. We either say they are all guilty or we only say:
LydiaWest - main bitch, tried to discredit other agencies - evidence on UKE verdict : guilty
MillyOfNCL - drugs, lies and helping Lydia - evidence on UKE verdict : guilty
Daisy May - lies and more lies - evidence UKE verdict : guilty
Scarlett Sage - lies, tried to cover up, sending a message about this topic is hardly a crime, made a comment that the thread is misogynist and unfollowing Anth (massive crime/admission of guilt?) verdict : not proven guilty.
Tori Taylor - attacking forum member on UKE, evidence : UKP member testimony, verdict : guilty.

Upto this point all have said something about the UKE trainwreck and UM post. The following as far as I am aware are only part of that group. Same as the informant.
Sophia Lilly
Skylah Rhodes - only named because she did like being compared to a washing machine.
Anna Rebecca May
Lucy Snow

[vw]

Sophia Lilly
Skylah Rhodes - only named because she did like being compared to a washing machine.

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[vw]

Scarlett Sage - lies, tried to cover up, sending a message about this topic is hardly a crime, made a comment that the thread is misogynist and unfollowing Anth (massive crime/admission of guilt?) verdict : not proven guilty.

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[The Outsider]

Bottom line is well worth reading

This is beyond ridiculous.  You're destroying any goodwill created by UKE for your own entertainment.  Anth is helping you and he should know better. 

Some of these girls have made mistakes.  They have gossiped.  Who hasn't? We talk about them on here.  They gossip in private.  I honestly don't care what any of them have said about me.  It's a business based on lies and fantasy. 

Who ever is feeding you these screenshots should be ashamed of themselves. They have ruined a group that was primarily about safety. 

[vw]

This is beyond ridiculous.  You're destroying any goodwill created by UKE for your own entertainment.  Anth is helping you and he should know better. 

Some of these girls have made mistakes.  They have gossiped.  Who hasn't? We talk about them on here.  They gossip in private.  I honestly don't care what any of them have said about me.  It's a business based on lies and fantasy. 

Who ever is feeding you these screenshots should be ashamed of themselves. They have ruined a group that was primarily about safety.

Clippety clop, getting close to home is it?   

As for the """""safety"""""" group most sensible people had left long before this

Not for entertainment just rebuttals to bushmans innocence proclamations

[datwabbit]

I like the twisting of words claim by them. If you're slagging off your clients in text, it's pretty obvious.

She's not come onto UKE to say that her words were twisted. Neither has Daisy. Remember this is just what we know about- this group has been running for a while - have they just started slagging off clients?

No sympathy given, they're no loss to the business of sex.

[The Outsider]

Clippety clop, getting close to home is it?   

As for the """""safety"""""" group most sensible people had left long before this

Not for entertainment just rebuttals to bushmans innocence proclamations

To be honest, I don't know who made you chief prosecutor and Bushman the judge. 

I actually punt in the North East, hence my interest.  When this dies down, you'll wander off to some other region and stoke up some fires there. 

What you're doing is just wrong. 

[Wonderwall_m1]

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Jesus all three screenshots , they really hate their clients.

[datwabbit]

This is beyond ridiculous.  You're destroying any goodwill created by UKE for your own entertainment.  Anth is helping you and he should know better. 

Some of these girls have made mistakes.  They have gossiped.  Who hasn't? We talk about them on here.  They gossip in private.  I honestly don't care what any of them have said about me.  It's a business based on lies and fantasy. 

Who ever is feeding you these screenshots should be ashamed of themselves. They have ruined a group that was primarily about safety.

The screenshots show it's not about safety any more. If it was, there'd be a message saying no more gossip and get back to safety warnings only. They'd jump on any client slagging too.

I care because I am giving someone my money who slags me off when I'd prefer to give it to someone who doesn't. Of course, I'll never know for certain but cutting out some is good enough for me.

You're a Ukp member so they won't want to see you but if have to hide that you're a member so you can see them,  they'll be happy with any business they get from your reviews. You're physical appearance, conversation, sexual quirks are fodder for their gossip.

[vw]

To be honest, I don't know who made you chief prosecutor and Bushman the judge. 

He makes a good judge.   

[Kev3773]

Just because it's a business transaction doesn't mean you should accept the sneaky piss taking, it's disgusting as far as I'm concerned. To say something off the cuff is totally different to taking time to write it down and send in private messages 

[datwabbit]

Scarlett - you're right - it will die down in this thread, but being the hypocrite you are, I'm sure you'll be on UKE advertising and showing pictures to a bunch of people who you don't want to see because they're Ukp members.

If only you and your group could stay away. You need the exposure and well, something new to gossip about.

[The Outsider]

The screenshots show it's not about safety any more. If it was, there'd be a message saying no more gossip and get back to safety warnings only. They'd jump on any client slagging too.

I care because I am giving someone my money who slags me off when I'd prefer to give it to someone who doesn't. Of course, I'll never know for certain but cutting out some is good enough for me.

You're a Ukp member so they won't want to see you but if have to hide that you're a member so you can see them,  they'll be happy with any business they get from your reviews. You're physical appearance, conversation, sexual quirks are fodder for their gossip.

I really don't care if they gossip about me.  I write reviews on here which is essentially the same thing. They only have sex with me because I pay them.  I'm under no illusions that this is a business based on lies and half truths.   If I hear about someone slagging me off, I'll not go back.  It's simple. 

The group had gone beyond safety in the physical sense, but what about mental health and stress?   The group was used to "vent" because they can't go home to their mates and family to do that like I do when a client at work annoys me!

Does nobody else get this?

[datwabbit]

I really don't care if they gossip about me.  I write reviews on here which is essentially the same thing. They only have sex with me because I pay them.  I'm under no illusions that this is a business based on lies and half truths.   If I hear about someone slagging me off, I'll not go back.  It's simple. 

The group had gone beyond safety in the physical sense, but what about mental health and stress?   The group was used to "vent" because they can't go home to their mates and family to do that like I do when a client at work annoys me!

Does nobody else get this?

Then they start up another group for gossip and have a separate one for safety. There are many escorts not getting the benefit of this safety advice too so it's not really working.

This started with kicking people out of a safety group, not about gossip.

All the gossip has done is increase my blacklist just as any other reasons would cause that.

People do get this. It's about finding other service providers as you would do in other lines of work. It's about abuse of a failing safety system.

[daviemac]

I really don't care if they gossip about me.  I write reviews on here which is essentially the same thing. They only have sex with me because I pay them.  I'm under no illusions that this is a business based on lies and half truths.   If I hear about someone slagging me off, I'll not go back.  It's simple. 

The group had gone beyond safety in the physical sense, but what about mental health and stress?   The group was used to "vent" because they can't go home to their mates and family to do that like I do when a client at work annoys me!

Does nobody else get this?

I get exactly what you mean, I think there's too much emphasis put on the WhatsApp group, the real villain of this is the one who reported Wayne on a national database.

It's only as a consequence of that report that we found out prossies talk about punters in a private chat group. I appreciate it's not a good thing to find out you're being slagged off, but, to me it's just another consideration when deciding on who to book. As always if the positives of seeing someone outweighs the negatives then I will book them. However I don't think the ones involved in this saga could ever have enough positive points to sway me.   

[Kev3773]

I really don't care if they gossip about me.  I write reviews on here which is essentially the same thing.

It's not the same as far as I'm concerned , if it is why don't they post there comments on a public forum for all to see ? We may say unpleasant things that they don't want to hear in reviews etc, but it isn't sneaky gossip is it 

[The Outsider]

Then they start up another group for gossip and have a separate one for safety. There are many escorts not getting the benefit of this safety advice too so it's not really working.

This started with kicking people out of a safety group, not about gossip.

All the gossip has done is increase my blacklist just as any other reasons would cause that.

Who can trust anyone now though?  I can understand how Wayne got drift of the report and I'm pleased for him that somebody thought enough of him to do that. 

I really think they kicked people out because they didn't know who to trust.  You can see why! I've conceded that the personal agendas and conflicting interests will have played a role though.   

This has destroyed the NE section of UKE.  It's going to do the same on here.  Even now we're fighting among ourselves. 

If I am genuinely a lone voice in seeing it differently, I'll shut up and let you all get on with it.  If other posters can see an alternative view, it would be good to hear from them!

[The Outsider]

It's not the same as far as I'm concerned , if it is why don't they post there comments on a public forum for all to see ? We may say unpleasant things that they don't want to hear in reviews etc, but it isn't sneaky gossip is it 

It's sneaky and unprofessional, yes.  I can see why they do it though.  Some of my clients are annoying and irritate me.  I can vent to my colleagues when I put the phone down or get back to the office.  These girls can't because they work alone in a secret job.  That's why I'm cutting them slack.  Not because I endorse it, but because I understand why. 

[vw]

This has destroyed the NE section of UKE.

7 active adverts today and 4 threads, pretty average, hardly killed.

compared to by far the biggest region London

3 active adverts today and 3 threads.

[The Outsider]

I get exactly what you mean, I think there's too much emphasis put on the WhatsApp group, the real villain of this is the one who reported Wayne on a national database.

It's only as a consequence of that report that we found out prossies talk about punters in a private chat group. I appreciate it's not a good thing to find out you're being slagged off, but, to me it's just another consideration when deciding on who to book. As always if the positives of seeing someone outweighs the negatives then I will book them. However I don't think the ones involved in this saga could ever have enough positive points to sway me.   

Agreed. 

For what it's worth, I often decide not to see particular girls based on what they post on UKE.  This has gone beyond fair sanction though. 

[Wonderwall_m1]

I get exactly what you mean, I think there's too much emphasis put on the WhatsApp group, the real villain of this is the one who reported Wayne on a national database.

It's only as a consequence of that report that we found out prossies talk about punters in a private chat group. I appreciate it's not a good thing to find out you're being slagged off, but, to me it's just another consideration when deciding on who to book. As always if the positives of seeing someone outweighs the negatives then I will book them. However I don't think the ones involved in this saga could ever have enough positive points to sway me.   

In your opinion, how influential is ukp to clients making decisions on who to see in the north east? Do we members on here make up a large percentage of the clientele?

[The Outsider]

7 active adverts today and 4 threads, pretty average, hardly killed.

compared to by far the biggest region London

3 active adverts today and 3 threads.

I should have added a caveat.  This has destroyed the NE section of UKE as somewhere to have mutually beneficial conversations about the industry.  I personally found that useful as a NE punter.  Nobody can trust anyone now.

[vw]

In your opinion, how influential is ukp to clients making decisions on who to see in the north east? Do we members on here make up a large amount of the clientele?

1% of readers post on average.

[datwabbit]

Who can trust anyone now though?  I can understand how Wayne got drift of the report and I'm pleased for him that somebody thought enough of him to do that. 

I really think they kicked people out because they didn't know who to trust.  You can see why! I've conceded that the personal agendas and conflicting interests will have played a role though.   

This has destroyed the NE section of UKE.  It's going to do the same on here.  Even now we're fighting among ourselves. 

If I am genuinely a lone voice in seeing it differently, I'll shut up and let you all get on with it.  If other posters can see an alternative view, it would be good to hear from them!

There's plenty of people on UKE who chat now. Skylah chats even though her messages are now on here. New people will join. Other escorts will get their business.

About 8 people will no longer post on UKE so that's no loss.

All we've done is highlight what they're like and they're not on the Ukp blacklist. They can still be reviewed.

I don't think Ukp will have a problem because it's about our money. Generally we're respectful of that.

[vw]

I should have added a caveat.  This has destroyed the NE section of UKE as somewhere to have mutually beneficial conversations about the industry.  I personally found that useful as a NE punter.  Nobody can trust anyone now.

Conversations will happen whatever, people come people go its the cycle of forums.

You do seem like you are on about conversations with someone specific.

As for trust, people earn that and lose it, there will be trust in places, again that is cyclical.   

[daviemac]

In your opinion, how influential is ukp to clients making decisions on who to see in the north east? Do we members on here make up a large percentage of the clientele?

I know from reading comments and posts on here that a negative review can have a detrimental effect on an escorts business. I wouldn't like to guess at how many punters that an escort sees are members of this site, I suppose it would vary from prossie to prossie.

Again from reading posts on here this site does influence the decision making of the members who actually post here, though only a small percentage do actually post.

Speaking for myself I use comments and reviews on here, the way, and what, an escort posts on UKE and things like the way they communicate in deciding who to book.

[bushman]

Update:
LydiaWest - main bitch, tried to discredit other agencies - evidence on UKE verdict : guilty
MillyOfNCL - drugs, lies and helping Lydia - evidence on UKE verdict : guilty
Bella-Rose Cartier - Lies, and more lies, tried shifting the blame. Evidence UKE, verdict - guilty
Daisy May - lies and more lies - evidence UKE verdict : guilty.
Scarlett Sage - lies, tried to cover up, sending a message about this topic is hardly a crime, made a comment that the thread is misogynist and unfollowing Anth (massive crime/admission of guilt), Screenshots, verdict : guilty.
Tori Taylor - attacking forum member on UKE, evidence : UKP member testimony, verdict : guilty.
Sophia Lilly - Make fun of clients, evidence : Screenshots, verdict: guilty.

Upto this point all have said something about the UKE trainwreck and UM post. The following as far as I am aware are only part of that group.

Informant - not guilty.
Skylah Rhodes - only named because she did like being compared to a washing machine, laughing about post, verdict: not guilty
Anna Rebecca May - part of WhatsApp group, not guilty.
Lucy Snow - retired, evidence screenshot, verdict: not guilty.

[vw]

Update:
LydiaWest - main bitch, tried to discredit other agencies - evidence on UKE verdict : guilty
MillyOfNCL - drugs, lies and helping Lydia - evidence on UKE verdict : guilty
Bella-Rose Cartier - Lies, and more lies, tried shifting the blame. Evidence UKE, verdict - guilty
Daisy May - lies and more lies - evidence UKE verdict : guilty.
Scarlett Sage - lies, tried to cover up, sending a message about this topic is hardly a crime, made a comment that the thread is misogynist and unfollowing Anth (massive crime/admission of guilt), Screenshots, verdict : guilty.
Tori Taylor - attacking forum member on UKE, evidence : UKP member testimony, verdict : guilty.
Sophia Lilly - Make fun of clients, evidence : Screenshots, verdict: guilty.

Upto this point all have said something about the UKE trainwreck and UM post. The following as far as I am aware are only part of that group.

Informant - not guilty.
Skylah Rhodes - only named because she did like being compared to a washing machine, laughing about post, verdict: not guilty
Anna Rebecca May - part of WhatsApp group, not guilty.
Lucy Snow - retired, evidence screenshot, verdict: not guilty.

The prosecution rests.   

[LydiaAmour]

Update:
LydiaWest - main bitch, tried to discredit other agencies - evidence on UKE verdict : guilty
MillyOfNCL - drugs, lies and helping Lydia - evidence on UKE verdict : guilty
Bella-Rose Cartier - Lies, and more lies, tried shifting the blame. Evidence UKE, verdict - guilty
Daisy May - lies and more lies - evidence UKE verdict : guilty.
Scarlett Sage - lies, tried to cover up, sending a message about this topic is hardly a crime, made a comment that the thread is misogynist and unfollowing Anth (massive crime/admission of guilt), Screenshots, verdict : guilty.
Tori Taylor - attacking forum member on UKE, evidence : UKP member testimony, verdict : guilty.
Sophia Lilly - Make fun of clients, evidence : Screenshots, verdict: guilty.

Upto this point all have said something about the UKE trainwreck and UM post. The following as far as I am aware are only part of that group.

Informant - not guilty.
Skylah Rhodes - only named because she did like being compared to a washing machine, laughing about post, verdict: not guilty
Anna Rebecca May - part of WhatsApp group, not guilty.
Lucy Snow - retired, evidence screenshot, verdict: not guilty.

I mean, very good list but not quite AAllll the girls in the WhatsApp group

[Kev3773]

I mean, very good list but not quite AAllll the girls in the WhatsApp group

Not like you trying to stir things up is it 

[LydiaAmour]

Not like you trying to stir things up is it 

Whey if you guys want a list of rent a cunts to avoid it's only fair you have AAll on the list

[Kev3773]

Whey if you guys want a list of rent a cunts to avoid it's only fair you have AAll on the list

Why not just say the name 
Oh I forgot you prefer being sneaky and underhand 

[AnthG]

This is beyond ridiculous.  You're destroying any goodwill created by UKE for your own entertainment.  Anth is helping you and he should know better. 

Excuse me what am I supposed to have done. Someone started the topic about the "cauldren girls". Flying Blue responded saying he didn't know who they were. So I listed them.

I am not the first person to list them, they have been listed numerous times before.

I then said I did not believe Scarlett would be involved in this, as she is not the type. And to be honest, that was going to be really my end in that topic.

However, I then find Tori Taylor singling me out for abuse, and only me for abuse on UKE. I did not appreciate that at all. There have been many people involved in this, and all I did was repeat a list already given multiple times in this topic.

So I will be clear, I did not appreciate being singled out by her doing that. So I posted she did this in the topic.

Then people started challenging my comments about Scarlett. And it seems she has become the brunt of most people because I have said this.

I personally don't believe Scarlett is the type to get involved in this. You can called me whipped, delusional or whatever, but I don't believe it.

Now a shit load of snapshots have been posted with no context all trying to bash Scarlett, clearly just because I have said this about her. And you are thinking this is my fault for this happening.

[LydiaAmour]

Why not just say the name 
Oh I forgot you prefer being sneaky and underhand 

I'm intrigued to see how long it takes you's all to work it out

[Kev3773]

I'm intrigued to see how long it takes you's all to work it out

I know exactly who you mean, just think you're a sneaky bitch that has been called out and is trying to take others down with you. Shows your true colours afaic 

[LydiaAmour]

I know exactly who you mean, just think you're a sneaky bitch that has been called out and is trying to take others down with you. Shows your true colours afaic 

Tbf, she brought herself down just by being in that group it seems. Strange that you know who I'm discussing but you haven't added her to the list. Wonder why.

[datwabbit]

Whey if you guys want a list of rent a cunts to avoid it's only fair you have AAll on the list

I assume the others are ones that made comments about clients. Please share on our public forum. Remember we've no issues with girls using it for safety. It's because you turned it into a gossip group.

So come on, name and show evidence of the messages.

[Kev3773]

Tbf, she brought herself down just by being in that group it seems. Strange that you know who I'm discussing but you haven't added her to the list. Wonder why.

Trying to stir again, you just can't help yourself.
I haven't added anyone to the list. I do my own checks and it's my own criteria that I stick to when deciding who I wish to see. Others will do things differently and that's there prerogative.

[AnthG]

Strange that you know who I'm discussing but you haven't added her to the list. Wonder why.

I don't know who you mean. If you name her, I will add her to the list for definite. Unless of course you are meaning anyone who no longer lives or works in the north east. Then there would be no point in adding them. But anyone else, if you name her, I will add her..

[datwabbit]

I know exactly who you mean, just think you're a sneaky bitch that has been called out and is trying to take others down with you. Shows your true colours afaic 

She's terrible. When you're in a hole, you stop digging. She's got nothing but anger towards the people on here and UKE. I mean, she doesn't want our business so why on earth go back on the site.

Stick to AW, studying and your job.