Looking for an agency partner?

[Garyj]

I have been approached by someone who has a few escort websites (with good rankings) that he wants someone to take on and run. While I have the business knowledge (and some IT), I would like to partner with a girl who has friends and contacts that could help get this up and running successfully. For my part, I want this to be something different to what I have seen out there, and want the girls who we work with to truly benefit from working with us. If you are keen, are prepared to be hands on in running the business and have the right connections, please get in touch.

[pierrot]

Pimp alert

[fredpunter]

I have been approached by someone who has a few escort websites (with good rankings) that he wants someone to take on and run. While I have the business knowledge (and some IT), I would like to partner with a girl who has friends and contacts that could help get this up and running successfully. For my part, I want this to be something different to what I have seen out there, and want the girls who we work with to truly benefit from working with us. If you are keen, are prepared to be hands on in running the business and have the right connections, please get in touch.

I'm not sure you have come to the right place as pimps are not overly popular here. However, giving you the benefit of the doubt initially, unless these websites are already operating profitably then whatever he is asking you to pay him is almost certainly too much. Ask for proof of profits, and try and book one of the girls advertising on them to see if she really exists.

[wristjob]

I have been approached by someone who has a few escort websites (with good rankings) that he wants someone to take on and run. While I have the business knowledge (and some IT), I would like to partner with a girl who has friends and contacts that could help get this up and running successfully. For my part, I want this to be something different to what I have seen out there, and want the girls who we work with to truly benefit from working with us. If you are keen, are prepared to be hands on in running the business and have the right connections, please get in touch.

Perhaps 1 of the girls on one of his websites might be what you are looking for?

[dreyas1234]

So what you're saying is that the existing websites are ranking on Google with out of date or fake content (which is not unusual for a start up escort site)

The fact that you are trying to make a go of getting real escorts on board, is of merit.
but IMO it would be very difficult to get this up and running no matter who you partner with, but good luck.

I would look to sell the sites based on their rankings to an affiliate marketer who can monetize the traffic that the sites are receiving.

If you are interested in that PM me, I can pass his details to you.

[Garyj]

I guess I have not really looked at it that way. I think everyone should be allowed to make their own choices for their own reasons, and as this landed in my lap (and I see myself as a generally decent person) why can't I provide a company that looks after the girls that work for it first. Am I just being naive and stupid?!?

[CatBBW]

I guess I have not really looked at it that way. I think everyone should be allowed to make their own choices for their own reasons, and as this landed in my lap (and I see myself as a generally decent person) why can't I provide a company that looks after the girls that work for it first. Am I just being naive and stupid?!?

Agencies work for the ladies, not the other way round.

[smiths]

I have been approached by someone who has a few escort websites (with good rankings) that he wants someone to take on and run. While I have the business knowledge (and some IT), I would like to partner with a girl who has friends and contacts that could help get this up and running successfully. For my part, I want this to be something different to what I have seen out there, and want the girls who we work with to truly benefit from working with us. If you are keen, are prepared to be hands on in running the business and have the right connections, please get in touch.

Not something i would recommend as you COULD get done for Controlling Prostitutes For Gain and if you ever supply a WGs the premises to work out of running a brothel. Many Agencies run for years though but the police could start to take an interest at any time they so wish. For me that would be too much risk for my liking irrespective of the actual risk.

If your going ahead i would strongly advise you to pay the correct tax at all times, the taxman isnt fussy where money comes from they will take it. If you did get done apart from any criminal charges you might also face POCA which could financially ruin you. Be very careful, owning an Agency might be lucrative but its certainly not risk free.

[smiths]

Agencies work for the ladies, not the other way round.

In theory you are of course correct, in practice as many WGs i have spoken to over the years have told me this isnt actually what happens though. The Agency owner/manager is the boss and the WGs do as they say or get binned or left with no work. Same with some brothels.

[CatBBW]

In theory you are of course correct, in practice as many WGs i have spoken to over the years have told me this isnt actually what happens though. The Agency owner/manager is the boss and the WGs do as they say or get binned or left with no work. Same with some brothels.

Yes I know, sadly. They do hold all the cards, as well as being responsible for screening clients - which, from what I've read, seems to be open house for anyone who phones.

[smiths]

Yes I know, sadly. They do hold all the cards, as well as being responsible for screening clients - which, from what I've read, seems to be open house for anyone who phones.

Indeed unless they actually know the punter i have no idea how they can effectively screen them, i do recall an outfit called Stansted Escorts saying they always did an electoral roll check on every punter. Not in a million years would i give such people my personal details. Punting by its very nature here is anonymous for many of us and long may that remain the case in this totally unregulated industry.

IMO Agencies are a totally unneeded third party and certainly so in my punting nowadays, when i used to punt through Agencies i had lots of problems and when i complained the usual response was fuck off or fuck off you cunt followed by the phone being slammed down. At least a Parlour or other brothel always provides the WGs with the premises to work out of which is by far the biggest expense of course. Yet Agencies take a similar or even higher cut of a WGs fee. Money for old rope, but obviously up to the WGs. An Agency could easily be run from a persons parents back bedroom, a laptop and phone is all thats needed. Makes me chuckle when i read about them having plush Central London premises, what for, so the WG can go their to hand their cut over. Not an expense i would be incurring if i ran one thats for sure.

[Garyj]

I'm a little confused. I thought it was legal to offer advertising for, or act as an agency for escorts, however not for sexual purposes. It is then down to the escort to decide if they wish to offer additional services, which I understood was also legal so long as it was their decision/choice to do so. Please do respond if this is not the case, as I have no intention if pursuing anything illegal.

In any event, I think thus highlights my need for an experienced partner who understands (and possibly enjoys) this space.

[vorian]

I guess I have not really looked at it that way. I think everyone should be allowed to make their own choices for their own reasons, and as this landed in my lap (and I see myself as a generally decent person) why can't I provide a company that looks after the girls that work for it first. Am I just being naive and stupid?!?

I'm personally not a fan of agencies they add an additional layer of admin and fixed costs to the price of a punt and seem unnecessary in the age we live in. Indies seem to be the growth area of the supply chain and agencies just seem so old hat now. With advertising and contact point taken care of through AW (I know it could be so much better) and recommendations and reviews taken care of through sites like UKP (Improving every day). I don't see what agencies bring to the table. Of course I maybe wrong but it sound like a lot of work to me.

If UKP members on the whole feel negative towards agencies they it is probably not the best business to get into as they are your target audience. 

[vorian]

Indeed unless they actually know the punter i have no idea how they can effectively screen them, i do recall an outfit called Stansted Escorts saying they always did an electoral roll check on every punter. Not in a million years would i give such people my personal details. Punting by its very nature here is anonymous for many of us and long may that remain the case in this totally unregulated industry.

IMO Agencies are a totally unneeded third party and certainly so in my punting nowadays, when i used to punt through Agencies i had lots of problems and when i complained the usual response was fuck off or fuck off you cunt followed by the phone being slammed down. At least a Parlour or other brothel always provides the WGs with the premises to work out of which is by far the biggest expense of course. Yet Agencies take a similar or even higher cut of a WGs fee. Money for old rope, but obviously up to the WGs. An Agency could easily be run from a persons parents back bedroom, a laptop and phone is all thats needed. Makes me chuckle when i read about them having plush Central London premises, what for, so the WG can go their to hand their cut over. Not an expense i would be incurring if i ran one thats for sure.

My feeling exactly Smiths.

[Garyj]

So should I just offer good advertising opportunities for independents? Seems to be far to many scam sites doing that ..... Hence why I was going the other route ...

[vorian]

So should I just offer good advertising opportunities for independents? Seems to be far to many scam sites doing that ..... Hence why I was going the other route ...

Possibly but the bad WG's will not understand the importance of excellent advertising or resent the money they have to spend to achieve this I would imagine they would be difficult to deal with professionally as much as they are when interacting with punters. Also would they be good long term revenue streams for you as (Hopefully) by providing bad customer service eventually they will be forced out of the market.

While the good WG's will probably treat their business professionally and have a good profile on AW (Still the largest contact point) and maintain that profile themselves to a high standard. Also they will understand the importance of repeat business and recommendations and because they understand this provide good customer service. All these points would mean they would not need the services of a Indie advertising site. Of course if it was cheap enough and had enough hits maybe they would but thats the risk of start up.

Maybe a route to go down would be to focus on those who provide very specialised services there are certainly lots of kinks and fetishes which people enjoy. Have a look and see if they are catered for if not, could you provide the contact point for those punters who wish these services.

I still think the internet has moved on in recent years and "Middlemen" are no longer as popular as they once were. One day punters will walk down a street in a pair of google glasses and as you pass a house a pop up will show the WG in that building, her services, reviews and if she is available. Now that will be fun.

[Dani]

I'm a little confused. I thought it was legal to offer advertising for, or act as an agency for escorts, however not for sexual purposes. It is then down to the escort to decide if they wish to offer additional services, which I understood was also legal so long as it was their decision/choice to do so. Please do respond if this is not the case, as I have no intention if pursuing anything illegal.

In any event, I think thus highlights my need for an experienced partner who understands (and possibly enjoys) this space.

Totally untrue.  No court in the and would believe that you were charging for the girls time and she chose to have sex with men without being paid for it.  If you run an agency you will be breaking the la it is as simple as that.  The disclaimer is used in the US and does not wash at all over here

[smiths]

I'm a little confused. I thought it was legal to offer advertising for, or act as an agency for escorts, however not for sexual purposes. It is then down to the escort to decide if they wish to offer additional services, which I understood was also legal so long as it was their decision/choice to do so. Please do respond if this is not the case, as I have no intention if pursuing anything illegal.

In any event, I think thus highlights my need for an experienced partner who understands (and possibly enjoys) this space.

A person who advertises WGs on their site and those WGs get punters through that site and in exchange agree to pay the Agency an agreed cut of their fees is breaking the law IF the police can link the Agency to the WG as that is Controlling Prostitutes For Gain. Its you being a third party that is a crime, if a WG deals with a punter direct thats perfectly illegal assuming she isnt underage being coerced or soliciting on the street. Its the acting as an Agency and the WGs giving you an agreed cut of their bookings thats the legal problem, the advertising is what alerts the police to the Agency of course, in itself its not whats going to get you nicked.

Disclaimers that say whatever goes on is between the WG and the punter wont wash IF the police had evidence of the link between the Agency and the WG and the site was obviously a site that WGs were advertised on. Ultimately it would come down to whether the police are bothered, brothels are a much easier target than an Agency that doesnt provide a WGs premises to work out of, but you are still taking a risk and at anytime could have police bother. If you want to remain legit this isnt a route i would advise taking.

[Taggart]

Its you being a third party that is a crime, if a WG deals with a punter direct thats perfectly illegal assuming she isnt underage being coerced or soliciting on the street. 

Surely you mean legal?

[vorian]

A person who advertises WGs on their site and those WGs get punters through that site and in exchange agree to pay the Agency an agreed cut of their fees is breaking the law IF the police can link the Agency to the WG as that is Controlling Prostitutes For Gain. Its you being a third party that is a crime, if a WG deals with a punter direct thats perfectly illegal assuming she isnt underage being coerced or soliciting on the street. Its the acting as an Agency and the WGs giving you an agreed cut of their bookings thats the legal problem, the advertising is what alerts the police to the Agency of course, in itself its not whats going to get you nicked.

Disclaimers that say whatever goes on is between the WG and the punter wont wash IF the police had evidence of the link between the Agency and the WG and the site was obviously a site that WGs were advertised on. Ultimately it would come down to whether the police are bothered, brothels are a much easier target than an Agency that doesnt provide a WGs premises to work out of, but you are still taking a risk and at anytime could have police bother. If you want to remain legit this isnt a route i would advise taking.

I always thought that Indies working alone from premises were the only ones not technically breaking the law. If the OP just advertises WG's on the site ie a contact point only would that also be breaking the law.

[smiths]

I'm personally not a fan of agencies they add an additional layer of admin and fixed costs to the price of a punt and seem unnecessary in the age we live in. Indies seem to be the growth area of the supply chain and agencies just seem so old hat now. With advertising and contact point taken care of through AW (I know it could be so much better) and recommendations and reviews taken care of through sites like UKP (Improving every day). I don't see what agencies bring to the table. Of course I maybe wrong but it sound like a lot of work to me.

If UKP members on the whole feel negative towards agencies they it is probably not the best business to get into as they are your target audience.

The ONLY things i see an Agency might provide is a range of WGs and are open 24/7 so if i felt like a punt at say 2am i could book one through an Agency. Clearly some punters like punting through Agencies though, Bill Goldberg being one such punter on here who is to me a very honest guy. I recall him posting on Pnet that not many Agencies really are open 24/7 in reality.

I can forego punting in the early hours and pick one specific WG so Agencies offer me the sum total of zero nowadays. I do though punt through Parlours and at Parties but in both cases they provide the WGs premises to work out of so to me although illegal for the owners/managers to run such brothels i still punt through them if the price is VFM as i see it. Prices at reputable Agencies in London mainly start at £150 an hour, thats already pushing VFM against Indies, at least one Parlour and Parties for me. However, in some places Agencies are apparently a similar price to Indies in the same area so thats a totally different scenario. If that were the case in London, i might think again about Agencies. As i used to i would always ask a WG if she worked Indie as well though, i could save some money and she would get 100% of me money, a win win for us.

[smiths]

Surely you mean legal?

Yes indeed, sorry about that.

[smiths]

I always thought that Indies working alone from premises were the only ones not technically breaking the law. If the OP just advertises WG's on the site ie a contact point only would that also be breaking the law.

If a WG is working through an Agency, Parlour or Party she isnt breaking the law unless she actively helps run the place such as answering the phone to punters, or is in the UK illegally obviously.

A lone Indie who never lets another WG work from her own premises is perfectly legal although even then unless she owns the Freehold she could well be breaking the terms of a Mortgage, Lease or Rent agreement.

On the just advertising point, i would need Silverado who has a far better grasp of the legalities than me to answer that for sure. My opinion is if he is still getting an agreed cut of a WGs money he could in theory still get down, but would the police bother, probably not but is probably not a small enough risk for him to take bearing in mind that POCA could ruin his whole life. Any risk on this would be too high for me.

[Festisio]

These escort sites are almost certainly not generating a profit for this person, hence why they are trying to offload it to some sucker.  I'd bet my left bollock that they are also bait and switch sites using stolen photos.

Your idea of offering a service to advertise independent escorts isn't a good one either.

It also seems that you are looking for a madam and the willing prossies - which is the hardest bit to get - I see absolutely no reason why they would wish to partner with you when all you bring to the table is a website or two.

[vorian]

These escort sites are almost certainly not generating a profit for this person, hence why they are trying to offload it to some sucker.  I'd bet my left bollock that they are also bait and switch sites using stolen photos.

Your idea of offering a service to advertise independent escorts isn't a good one either.

It also seems that you are looking for a madam and the willing prossies - which is the hardest bit to get - I see absolutely no reason why they would wish to partner with you when all you bring to the table is a website or two.

Fair Point don't think anyone on Dragons Den will be investing any time soon.