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Author Topic: How Much Money To Pay. How Much Is Too Much  (Read 5381 times)

Offline Jimmyredcab

Market forces decide prices, it is not for us to say what is "too much".

I have paid £100 for 30 minutes many times, there are other girls who I wouldn't pay £20 an hour.    :hi:

Offline adindas

Market forces decide prices, it is not for us to say what is "too much".


Fully agree with this ...

Offline vorian

Market forces decide prices, it is not for us to say what is "too much".

I have paid £100 for 30 minutes many times, there are other girls who I wouldn't pay £20 an hour.    :hi:

I agree Jimmy 100% why then are some some critical of a positive review where everything was as promised a good punt was had but comments are made saying you are stupid for paying too much.
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Offline broksonic

I believe Uk  WG's will soon have to put their hourly rate down to match it to the Same as the EE girls.   Once all the Bulgarians come her there will no doubt be hundreds of new Wg's .  Which means the uk girls unfortunately won't be getting as much business  if the don't reduce their rates
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Offline Jimmyredcab

I agree Jimmy 100% why then are some some critical of a positive review where everything was as promised a good punt was had but comments are made saying you are stupid for paying too much.

There is a difference between telling a punter he has paid over the odds and telling a pro$$ie what she should charge, I posted a link recently where a guy had paid £400 to a so called "courtesan" for 3 hours, that in my opinion is total madness but if she can find mugs good luck to her.   

Offline vorian

Let's hope so as in a free market an increase in supply without an increase in demand should lead to a drop in price. My only thought is the market is not a truly free one due to many factors such as virtual monopolies exsiting in the punting world such as AW. 

AW has the vast majority of punters complaining about it on here for different reasons and rightly so but we all use it even on here links are used and we discuss AW profiles constantly.  Why because it has no real alternatives and because of the entry barriers into that market no possibility of that changing anytime soon. Hence punters may not see the full economic benefit of an increase in supply.
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Offline Jimmyredcab

I believe Uk  WG's will soon have to put their hourly rate down to match it to the Same as the EE girls.   Once all the Bulgarians come her there will no doubt be hundreds of new Wg's .  Which means the uk girls unfortunately won't be getting as much business  if the don't reduce their rates

Totally disagree.
A pretty young English girl will always be able to charge a premium rate, it is all about supply and demand, Romanians are ten a penny.    :hi:

Offline vorian

There is a difference between telling a punter he has paid over the odds and telling a pro$$ie what she should charge, I posted a link recently where a guy had paid £400 to a so called "courtesan" for 3 hours, that in my opinion is total madness but if she can find mugs good luck to her.

Agreed the whole "Elite Courtesan" crap is crazy but is it right to complain about another punters choice.  If he gets what he wants.  I don't want a WG to shit on me for any price but if a guy does and gets off on that is happy with the service it's not my place to criticise him for it. Why is price looked at so differently to other factors involved in good vs bad punts.
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Online hendrix

I have very specific (and some may say demanding :D) requirements. The only girls I've met so far that can actually deliver what I want to the level I want are all £150-£300 per hour. I would happily pay less (of course!). If I pay £60 to a girl that promises all and doesn't deliver, that's a complete waste of money. If I pay £1000 to a specific looking girl, for a specific service, that does EXACTLY what I want..then I'm not bothered. I got what I wanted, that nobody else (that I'm aware of) could supply to the same level.

I think there will always be a floor to the rate, regardless of how many EE girls come over. Aside from the odd couple of 60/70ph EE girls I have seen, they don't seem to be trying to undercut each other below 80-100ph.

As for what I would pay, depends what I'm looking for. Standard EE 'fit but boring' then £80, but some of my tastes are a little less common and I don't seem to see them for less than £150ph.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Agreed the whole "Elite Courtesan" crap is crazy but is it right to complain about another punters choice. 

I think "complain" is the wrong word.

If I think a punter has paid over the odds then I have a right to say so.    :hi:

Offline vorian

I think "complain" is the wrong word.

If I think a punter has paid over the odds then I have a right to say so.    :hi:

Your right Jimmy complain was perhaps the wrong word to use. Without doubt anyone has the right to comment however they wish. I suppose I'm asking how does one come to a figure at which a punter has "paid over the odds". In my mind a negative review then 1p is over the odds but a positive review is good irrespective of the price paid. Now if you disagree and feel the review is fluffy and should be a negative then fair enough we should say hold up 1p is to much.  However I have seen and i'm not saying from you, what I read as good reviews being then commented on relating only to price and not that punters experience. 

For example if this was a forum about cars and not punting and someone brought a cheap car and gave it a good review then we would say well done. If they brought a Ferrari and gave a good review would we say well done or say you paid over the odds if they wanted the Ferrari they were happy and it did everything they wanted a car to do.

A free market will never be free if the consumers disagree with other consumers choices based on price but not quality.
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Offline vorian

I have very specific (and some may say demanding :D) requirements. The only girls I've met so far that can actually deliver what I want to the level I want are all £150-£300 per hour. I would happily pay less (of course!). If I pay £60 to a girl that promises all and doesn't deliver, that's a complete waste of money. If I pay £1000 to a specific looking girl, for a specific service, that does EXACTLY what I want..then I'm not bothered. I got what I wanted, that nobody else (that I'm aware of) could supply to the same level.

I personally have requirements probably not the same as yours but specific. If these requirements are not met then I'm not as satisfied. This is probably why I prefer a selection of medium term regulars as it takes time to train them up so I get exactly what I want. If fact every new punt I am really auditioning them to see if it is worth the time and money to get them to that point. However my reviews are based on that individual experience price does not come into it for me. It is ether positive or negative I do not take into account what I can get out of them in future sessions. Yes if I feel the time and effort I will turn them into a regular. Sometimes I d not but that does not mean I give them an automatic bad review that would be to subjective. The price is a price I am willing to pay no more no less. So once again why is price looked at in such a different way by different people.
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Online hendrix

I personally have requirements probably not the same as yours but specific. If these requirements are not met then I'm not as satisfied. This is probably why I prefer a selection of medium term regulars as it takes time to train them up so I get exactly what I want. If fact every new punt I am really auditioning them to see if it is worth the time and money to get them to that point. However my reviews are based on that individual experience price does not come into it for me. It is ether positive or negative I do not take into account what I can get out of them in future sessions. Yes if I feel the time and effort I will turn them into a regular. Sometimes I d not but that does not mean I give them an automatic bad review that would be to subjective. The price is a price I am willing to pay no more no less. So once again why is price looked at in such a different way by different people.

Exactly. I have a small group of regulars in that price range that all know how to deliver what I want. Any new girls I see are, as you say, "auditioning" for that job :D...sometimes, the first time shows enough potential for me (Hannah at Maxes recently) that I'll definitely return, but it is getting difficult for me to even be interested in a new profile (by which I mean the opinions of respected punters as well as the actual profile) given the quality of my current crop. It would have to be outstanding. I go on about KDD because she is a complete "natural" in my opinion. Made for fun. For those that remember, other girls in that category over the years for me have been Estelle at Maxes, Jayne Minx, Anna Minx and Lia Amelia who is still around I'm glad to say!
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Offline vorian

Exactly. I have a small group of regulars in that price range that all know how to deliver what I want. Any new girls I see are, as you say, "auditioning" for that job :D...sometimes, the first time shows enough potential for me (Hannah at Maxes recently) that I'll definitely return, but it is getting difficult for me to even be interested in a new profile (by which I mean the opinions of respected punters as well as the actual profile) given the quality of my current crop. It would have to be outstanding. I go on about KDD because she is a complete "natural" in my opinion. Made for fun. For those that remember, other girls in that category over the years for me have been Estelle at Maxes, Jayne Minx, Anna Minx and Lia Amelia who is still around I'm glad to say!

So like me you get exactly what you want at the price your willing to pay that for me is punting in a nutshell. I felt punting shouldn't be any different to buying any good or service but sometimes people make it out to be more personal than imho it should be. Strong emotions come into play and some people seem bitter both prossies and punters. What makes them get to that point and why does price seem to feature so much in this apparent bitterness. Punting is meant to be fun for fuck sake if you don't enjoy playing the game then sit it out or find another game to play.
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Offline smiths

Thanks I am looking forward to my first party experience next week, out of interest what would you say would be the best ratio one could expect.  Apart from MFFF which of course would be great but unrealistic.  When I have ask the question they were quite vague "3 girls 10/12 guys" I guess for the reason about no shows you mentioned. Any top hints and tips would also be much appreciated.

So thats a 3-4 punter to WG ratio, above 3.1 is of zero interest to me because it can lead to scrums and/or lots of hanging about, as ever dependent on the actual punters attending. They should be able to tell you exactly how many is the maximum number they will let in, this being vague is a well used tactic i used to get from GP Parties now gone, on ocassion it was 18 punters to 3 WGs, a total waste of money. Personally i would avoid a provider who wont give exact numbers and ratios nowadays.

The lower the ratio the better from your point of view of course as it means more punting. LMP are a guaranteed max of a 2.1 ratio which i have never seen broken in over 300 parties. You pay for this and 7 WGs in the price though.

Tips are to take as few valuables as you can, i have never had any problems with any party providers but you will have to store your valuables in an envelope unless its LAPC in Dagenham who have lockers. They will of course have access to those valuables if your using an envelope, at LMP you pay on exit, most others i have been to i paid on arrival.

Have a good wander around for a few minutes once the party has started and take it all in. Relax and have fun, if its a good provider the WGs will come after you if not busy and there will be good supervision of them, if its a bad provider this might well not happen though. Let me know if there is anything else you want to know, feel free to PM if you so wish. ;)

Offline smiths

I used to pay £150 but  in London nowadays I will not pay more than £80 an hour. By this way I could do more punting than I used to be.

IMO,  the WGs who are charging £150+ (say) are more likely the WGs who are already well established here in the UK and already have primary income such as from state benefits and/or from civvy jobs.  So their basic need is already met and escorting is only seen as a mean to top up the income. They will be able to effort not to have a client even for more than a week ....

You will often see a WG is charging £150+ in AW but you could bang them in a party for much less. This is because they already have a steady income from this job and other job and they could effort their phone go dusty for over a week even a month.

Nobody like to work as an escort for obvious reasons such as the stigma attached to it, risk and not having much choice to choose with whom they will have sex with, but at the same time everybody like to have income of 10-30X more than she potentially could earn from civvy jobs.

This is certainly true with many party WGs. They do however many parties a week at a lower take than at least some like Jennifer at LMP who is Jade at HOD could get at 121s as its virtually guaranteed money, a fixed amount assuming enough punters turn up and thats their basic money, then on other days they work as Indies or at Parlours on top. Jennifer/Jade must earn a fortune, 2 parties at LMP a week plus at least one day a week at HOD and another in MK or elsewhere as a minimum per week.

Emma-Louise of LAPC Parties also works as an Indie with a profile on A/W or she did. At one time she worked for LAPC/Pams Parties and Limelight.

Offline smiths

Market forces decide prices, it is not for us to say what is "too much".

I have paid £100 for 30 minutes many times, there are other girls who I wouldn't pay £20 an hour.    :hi:

Indeed, same applies to "too little" yet you seem to disagree with that and call ALL £60 an hour WGs skanks automatically despite punters on here with credibility in my eyes at least posting positive reviews and/or positive FB about such WGs.

I literally wouldnt get out of bed for a half hour punt but even if i did i wouldnt pay £100, thats not VFM to me, whereas £180 for an hour with Alex of the Bunny Lounge was great VFM to me. We all view things differently of course. :hi:

Offline smiths

I believe Uk  WG's will soon have to put their hourly rate down to match it to the Same as the EE girls.   Once all the Bulgarians come her there will no doubt be hundreds of new Wg's .  Which means the uk girls unfortunately won't be getting as much business  if the don't reduce their rates

I agree with Jimmy on this, both of us have followed pricing for many years and the fact is some Brits can and do charge higher rates and have done for years telling me they must get enough punters. Brits definitely wont ALL cut their rates to £100 an hour for example, no way will that happen as there are too many punters about willing to pay their higher rates in my opinion. Of course i would be very happy to be proved wrong, but we had this same thinking when other EE WGs started coming here.

In areas of fierce competition some Brits might drop their rates though i think.

Offline smiths

I have very specific (and some may say demanding :D) requirements. The only girls I've met so far that can actually deliver what I want to the level I want are all £150-£300 per hour. I would happily pay less (of course!). If I pay £60 to a girl that promises all and doesn't deliver, that's a complete waste of money. If I pay £1000 to a specific looking girl, for a specific service, that does EXACTLY what I want..then I'm not bothered. I got what I wanted, that nobody else (that I'm aware of) could supply to the same level.

Indeed, your about as hardcore as a punter can be. :D

It's more about the service, are your expectations met, what do you want out of the experience and did you get it?

For example:

I've complained about paying £65 in a parlour for a GFE when I've had to pay extra for kissing when in other parlours in my area you can get the GFE for £50 or in some cases £40.

It's more about the WG or parlour taking the piss than the price they charge!

The most expensive WG I've seen is Sarah Summers

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But it wasn't a quick half hour parlour punt. It was a relaxed unrushed experience where we sat and shared a drink retired to the bedroom and thoroughly indulged ourselves. There was no clock watching, I thoroughly enjoyed myself and the punt was well worth the fee.

Some people will look at the price per hour she charges and say NO WAY. I've looked at other WGs on AW and said the same.

I agree with the poster who said "1p is too much if you've had a really bad time" other than that it's down to the individual I think
if someone is willing to pay ££££ for whatever service they get and are happy that's up to them.

Personally I get more annoyed by WG's who mislead and try to charge for extras.

If I take the trouble to read a profile make a booking then turn up to find that the goal posts have been moved or there are "extras" to pay for it pisses me off no end.





Offline vorian

So thats a 3-4 punter to WG ratio, above 3.1 is of zero interest to me because it can lead to scrums and/or lots of hanging about, as ever dependent on the actual punters attending. They should be able to tell you exactly how many is the maximum number they will let in, this being vague is a well used tactic i used to get from GP Parties now gone, on ocassion it was 18 punters to 3 WGs, a total waste of money. Personally i would avoid a provider who wont give exact numbers and ratios nowadays.

The lower the ratio the better from your point of view of course as it means more punting. LMP are a guaranteed max of a 2.1 ratio which i have never seen broken in over 300 parties. You pay for this and 7 WGs in the price though.

Tips are to take as few valuables as you can, i have never had any problems with any party providers but you will have to store your valuables in an envelope unless its LAPC in Dagenham who have lockers. They will of course have access to those valuables if your using an envelope, at LMP you pay on exit, most others i have been to i paid on arrival.

Have a good wander around for a few minutes once the party has started and take it all in. Relax and have fun, if its a good provider the WGs will come after you if not busy and there will be good supervision of them, if its a bad provider this might well not happen though. Let me know if there is anything else you want to know, feel fre5e to PM if you so wish. ;)

Thank you Smiths i took your advice and asked for a confirmation about ratio was told 3 to 1 max guaranteed and they have an extra Girl on Standby upto the morning of the party to take into account any booking over this ratio. I will see if they are true to their word and report back.  One of the girls I know from previous 121's and she has never let me down yet but I know there is always a first time.

Thanks for your excellent advice I will take you up on the offer if anything pops up in big brain.
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Offline smiths

Thank you Smiths i took your advice and asked for a confirmation about ratio was told 3 to 1 max guaranteed and they have an extra Girl on Standby upto the morning of the party to take into account any booking over this ratio. I will see if they are true to their word and report back.  One of the girls I know from previous 121's and she has never let me down yet but I know there is always a first time.

Thanks for your excellent advice I will take you up on the offer if anything pops up in big brain.

No problem and i hope it goes well. ;)

The biggest problem is this is not a free market, it is an underground market. Whilst I can find out about price/service differences about Tesco and Waitrose I(or rather the average man on the street) can't do that with prostitutes; while I can take an ISP to court for breach of contract there is no contract law when you visit prostitutes and many would not even go to the police if they were robbed by a WG. The stigma attached to seeing prostitutes is perhaps so much greater than being one that information isn't available and accessible to most, illegal behaviour goes unpunished and so the punter is always at a disadvantage. If prostitution is to be a legitimate industry with sensible pricing that is affected by market forces operating on accessible and quality information about market participants, forums like this will be vital in helping newbie punters avoid bad providers and much like marijuana is starting to become acceptable to the point where it is now fully legal and openly available in Colorado, the stigma with seeing prostitutes will have to also go.

Offline vorian

The biggest problem is this is not a free market, it is an underground market. Whilst I can find out about price/service differences about Tesco and Waitrose I(or rather the average man on the street) can't do that with prostitutes; while I can take an ISP to court for breach of contract there is no contract law when you visit prostitutes and many would not even go to the police if they were robbed by a WG. The stigma attached to seeing prostitutes is perhaps so much greater than being one that information isn't available and accessible to most, illegal behaviour goes unpunished and so the punter is always at a disadvantage. If prostitution is to be a legitimate industry with sensible pricing that is affected by market forces operating on accessible and quality information about market participants, forums like this will be vital in helping newbie punters avoid bad providers and much like marijuana is starting to become acceptable to the point where it is now fully legal and openly available in Colorado, the stigma with seeing prostitutes will have to also go.

Very true it is not a free market for exactly the reasons you describe but the impact of this seems to affect the quality of the product more than the price. There appear to be few barriers of entry into the market in regard to supply or demand it is after all not illegal if you wish to punt you can there is a choice and it is very, very easy to become a prossie start up costs are very low as are fixed costs.  Margins and profit are massive for the supplier. It is after all the oldest profession and that's the reason why. Market forces should still apply to price equilibrium.

The problem is as it has the perceived "Stigma" and no statuted regulation enforcement then quality is variable and not linked to price. The sale of goods act does not apply and their is no consumer protection.
The supply of illegal narcotics also has no consumer protection and hence zero quality control but the street price of drugs is still set by free market forces ie supply and demand.

In addition the advertising monopolies which control most of the contact points between consumers and suppliers ie AW also have no built in protection for the consumer in regards to quality or accurate description of the service.

The quality of the product is affected by these forces but the price is set by supply and demand. You use the phrase "Sensible Pricing", so once again why is x amount too much.  Surely no price is too much or too little as the fact the price was paid at all means it was the right price.
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