'I was kidnapped in London and trafficked for sex'

[peter purves]

Anna came to London from Romania intending to study, but first she needed to earn some money. She took temporary jobs - waitressing, cleaning, maths tutoring. Then one day in March 2011 she was snatched off the street, flown to Ireland and put through nine months of hell.

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[yandex]

Saw that, pretty bleak and puts some context to those permanently rotating Romanian WGs. I sometimes wonder when I punt EE girls but so far, I've never really felt that there's anything dodgy, although I tend to stick to the more permanent residents if I can.

No shame in reporting suspicious activity to the police though

[DeanoDeano]

Tough read. Important this stuff is put in the public domain though.

[Londonpunter30]

Sometimes see profiles and think girls are trafficked.. surely at least one punter would have worked out she was there under duress andvreport it.

Such a short sentence for the scum that did this

[Mothball15]

Their names are in the public domain. Ppl will want revenge, they will be watching their backs for a long time.

Ppl prob know, but not all punters are nice clients unfortunately.

[scutty brown]

Sometimes see profiles and think girls are trafficked.. surely at least one punter would have worked out she was there under duress andvreport it.

Such a short sentence for the scum that did this

Ask yourself a question: how often have you seen any punters here state that they've called the police because of trafficking fears? I can't remember one in the couple of years I've been a member here. If anything, when suspicions are voiced, those who raise them often get shouted down.
Now we're supposed to be the more knowledgeable of the punting fraternity - and if we don't report these girls, then who else will?

[Saeran]

It was a sad read and makes you wonder of the background of a lot of the EE girls, particularly the ones that appear on Vivastreet. I would hope, if I was to meet one, I would know, but it would be hard I guess. Would I report it to the police? Possibly to Crimestoppers, but honestly until the situation arises I can not say. I hope I would as it would prey to much on my conscience. 

[Winterspirit]

Stories like that is what they used to get the law passed in Northern Ireland making it illegal to pay.

The law has been in for three years and i believe there has been ONE prosecution https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=194653.0
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Will they try the same thing over here?

[scutty brown]

If there's the slightest hint, call the police.
In trafficking cases they are almost 100% dependent on information from the public.
That means from punters

[charming_red]

Sad reading. You'd think she would have kicked up a fuss at the airport or on the plane but she would have been completely frozen with fear. Awful, just awful.

What a fuckin joke the sentence was. Those crimimals are out there doing it to someone else's daughter now. Tough sentences are needed for scumbags like this.

[wristjob]

I read that earlier. My initial reaction was made up BS when her family found out she was a WG, but they got prosecuted so I have to accept the court account.

It seems odd that you would kidnap a Romanian in London, surely Romania would be easier. Then to risk flying with that person to Ireland? All that warranted something like a 9 month prison sentence which again seems bizarre. Certainly anybody doing this kind of thing should never see the light of day again.

[scutty brown]

Easier and safer to snare the girl here
First there's no family to notice she's vanished
Next there's less chance the gang members would be recognised
Finally, she's already here: no need to smuggle her into the UK in the back of a Transit

[Londonpunter30]

Their names are in the public domain. Ppl will want revenge, they will be watching their backs for a long time.

Ppl prob know, but not all punters are nice clients unfortunately.

There's no names in the article so can't see any revenge from anyone anytime soon

[Jonestown]

There's no names in the article so can't see any revenge from anyone anytime soon

If i was going to kidnap someone in london and take them to NI, I’d take them by car/ferry rather than plane.

[Richthescouser]

Sad reading. You'd think she would have kicked up a fuss at the airport or on the plane but she would have been completely frozen with fear. Awful, just awful.

What a fuckin joke the sentence was. Those crimimals are out there doing it to someone else's daughter now. Tough sentences are needed for scumbags like this.

You’d be amazed how many people don’t ask for help at a port. Having seen some of the training given to staff at a port (and obviously very limited on what can be said) - there is a lot of training and a lot of people looking out for it. But it’s a very high volume environment, huge numbers of people and not much time to look for the signs. I do know of multiple people who took great pride in taking out a trafficker - not for cudos, not for a bonus, but for the moral victory.

This is why I won’t touch a non-Brit girl unless the signs are very clear she is doing it if her own free will. Long term in one area, free to say no etc.

[scutty brown]

I wonder if its this case, though if it is the sentences were misreported

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[Jonestown]

I wonder if its this case, though if it is the sentences were misreported

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If its on the BBC its a fabrication, I’d put more reliance on the local newspapers.

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Oh, seems like the BBC story is a re-tell from 2013, think they missed that bit out, didn’t they:-

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[Ce95]

What a horrible story, can’t believe they only got 2 years in prison for what they did. What is even more disgusting is the punters who knew she’s trafficked and still went ahead

[nbarnes]

Read between the lines.

They are preparing to push the fucktarded Nordic model over here. There's been activity on the Guardian as well recently.
Anyone who is willing to fuck a girl who is blatantly enslaved is not going to give an enormous shit over breaking anti-sex buyer laws.

The solution is legalisation. Let's let the market price get naturally lowered though legal safe escorting.
Make it illegal for non-Western Europeans to work in the brothels\Escorting.
A combination of the two should price the fucking Rommies out of the market and no one will want to screw them anymore.

Remove Harridan's law on strict liability trafficking offences and the punters will be able to report trafficking without fear.
Tax brothels and escorts and setup helplines \ proper resources to police trafficking \ coercion.
Make human \ sex trafficing law sentences NOT A FUCKING JOKE (10 years+) and no one will be willing to risk it for a pittance - see above.

The authorities in Holland and Germany are now in incredulous disbelief that the market they 'decriminalised', i.e. and then failed to regulate \ enforce properly then fell back into the hands of criminals and pimps. Morons.

EDIT : I generally stay away from EEs for the exact same reason. You just don't know who's got a Sergei and who hasn't - and the degree of control that he has over them. I'd be horrified (not to mention criminally liable under that simpleton Feminazi filth Harridan's law as above) to find out I'd fucked a captive

[ManOFSteel]

Sad stuff. Makes me rethink my Soho punting escapades. Some of those women must be there under duress.

[scutty brown]

You can pontificate as much as you like about possible future legislation, but the reality is punting has a trafficking problem now, and the only way we can help solve it is by reporting trafficking when we suspect it.
Who knows? Maybe if we could collectively help clean up the industry by reporting incidents of exploitation whenever we see them, then there would be no need for new legislation

[ManOFSteel]

You can pontificate as much as you like about possible future legislation, but the reality is punting has a trafficking problem now, and the only way we can help solve it is by reporting trafficking when we suspect it.
Who knows? Maybe if we could collectively help clean up the industry by reporting incidents of exploitation whenever we see them, then there would be no need for new legislation

How do you report? I think that all of the EEs in Soho are trafficked, their service is so bad.

[Hotdogboy88]

Easier and safer to snare the girl here
First there's no family to notice she's vanished
Next there's less chance the gang members would be recognised
Finally, she's already here: no need to smuggle her into the UK in the back of a Transit

Wow that’s some pretty scary knowledge on abducting some one. You got it all worked out. Done it before??

[scutty brown]

If i was going to kidnap someone in london and take them to NI, I’d take them by car/ferry rather than plane.

They were flown into the south, and from the description probably Kerry Airport - which has virtually nothing in the way of checks and controls and is little more than a shed. Very soft route. Remember - no passport checks UK-Ireland

[Jonestown]

They were flown into the south, and from the description probably Kerry Airport - which has virtually nothing in the way of checks and controls and is little more than a shed. Very soft route. Remember - no passport checks UK-Ireland

You have to show identification even on domestic routes, normally a passport.

[scutty brown]

You have to show identification even on domestic routes, normally a passport.

thats just to prove the ticket belongs to you and you can use a driving licence or ID card. On the Irish routes theres very little harvesting of personal data, especially outbound - unless the Special Branch observer recognises you

[punther]

did any one notice any differences in the two stories

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there are some things that are quite different...especially how she escaped 

[Jonestown]

Romanians weren’t allowed uncontrolled access to the EU until January 2014,so  i still reckon a ferry to eith NI or Eire would be the obvious choice, apart from that I think her story is BS, probably scripted by St Emma Thompson, its only come out now so she can explain away the conviction for running a brothel.

[scutty brown]

They were flown into the south, and from the description probably Kerry Airport - which has virtually nothing in the way of checks and controls and is little more than a shed. Very soft route. Remember - no passport checks UK-Ireland

I guessed wrong - that last report says Galway airport, which is even smaller
Tale dates from 2011, so why the interest now?

[scutty brown]

Romanians weren’t allowed uncontrolled access to the EU until January 2014,so  i still reckon a ferry to eith NI or Eire would be the obvious choice, apart from that I think her story is BS, probably scripted by St Emma Thompson, its only come out now so she can explain away the conviction for running a brothel.

Six hours on a ferry during which she could start screaming vs one hour on an aircraft. The plane would win on the grounds of lower risk.

[Hotdogboy88]

Lol. One scary cunt. Knows way to much on how to kidnap traffic and solicit girls. dodgy as fuck.

[vw]

If there's the slightest hint, call the police.
In trafficking cases they are almost 100% dependent on information from the public.
That means from punters

Or contact these.   

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[ManOFSteel]

Romanians weren’t allowed uncontrolled access to the EU until January 2014,so  i still reckon a ferry to eith NI or Eire would be the obvious choice, apart from that I think her story is BS, probably scripted by St Emma Thompson, its only come out now so she can explain away the conviction for running a brothel.

Good theory.

[RadioKid]

Well that was a sad read.
These gels rotating weekly in shitty houses always raise question marks.

The issue is that it's not local punters that visit. It is usually out of towners and are not bothered about the welfare of these girls.

[puntingpumping1920]

This story seems too far-fetched. Strangers kidnapping an Educated Romanian in North London for prostitution    

The fact is you don't need to kidnap women that live in absolute/ generational poverty. Most of these Romanian pimps source their workers in the poorest parts Romania (Gypsy parts) and sell them a dream.
 
Look at these stats for Romanian gypsies ---
 
In 2009, 12% of Romanians didn't have access to safe drinking water. (more than in countries like India and Nepal) source: WHO
About two-thirds of Romanians living in rural areas (which make up roughly half of the population) don't have access to municipal/centralized water supply, relying on (often-polluted) shallow wells source
40.7% of Romanian homes don't have indoor plumbing. (eurostat)
41% of Romanians are classified by the EU as "at risk for poverty", while 29% face "severe material deprivations" (eurostat)
9,8% of women and 14% of men have "limited access to healthcare" due to high costs or lack of any hospitals nearby
infant mortality is more than double the average in the EU.

[Derrick101]

I'm sure the police monitor this site, AW vivastreet etc for possible trafficking. If they don't they're missing a trick.

Would it be prudent to have a thread here to report suspected trafficking ?   

[JayGatsby]

I'm sure the police monitor this site, AW vivastreet etc for possible trafficking. If they don't they're missing a trick.

Would it be prudent to have a thread here to report suspected trafficking ?   

And that would also advise the people who do the trafficking who can also join and monitor the site

The correct route is the direct route

[mkmodelsltd]

Stories like that is what they used to get the law passed in Northern Ireland making it illegal to pay.

The law has been in for three years and i believe there has been ONE prosecution https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=194653.0
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Will they try the same thing over here?

I'd doubt it, the Tories love themselves a proz or two haha.

[Derrick101]

And that would also advise the people who do the trafficking who can also join and monitor the site

The correct route is the direct route

True... Thinking head not fully engaged 

[Sparta Prada]

Or contact these.   

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Cheers for the link VW. I sent details of this aborted punt for them to deal with: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=215776.0

[Baxter63]

The fact is that Romanians have been over here, as WGs and 'masseuses', since before this site was even thought of. I walked from one, in Porchester Road, W2, about 12 years ago. There were plenty of them in flats around Bayswater and Maida Vale. Reported on, in that other site, too.

Anybody who knows Slough, will confirm that the Ledgers Road/Chalvey area was awash with them from about 2007. The local papers used to print list of the punters' names and addresses, who'd been done for kerb crawling. There were brothel raids, involving 'trafficked' EEs as far back as 2005 (Cuddles Massage in Birmingham was a famous one).

The 2014 date was merely, when the temporary restrictions, on some EEs entering the UK were lifted.

[Jonestown]

Anyone remember Operation Pentameter 1 & 2 ?


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[Londonpunter30]

Or contact these.   

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can you report annonymously on that site ?  dont want to give an email address or phone number to them to be honest

[Bigwilts]

Ask yourself a question: how often have you seen any punters here state that they've called the police because of trafficking fears? I can't remember one in the couple of years I've been a member here. If anything, when suspicions are voiced, those who raise them often get shouted down.
Now we're supposed to be the more knowledgeable of the punting fraternity - and if we don't report these girls, then who else will?

Posts that I have seen are the opposite - someone voices a concern, following posts recommend they report it

[peter purves]

did any one notice any differences in the two stories

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there are some things that are quite different...especially how she escaped 

Poor journalism!!

[wristjob]

Six hours on a ferry during which she could start screaming vs one hour on an aircraft. The plane would win on the grounds of lower risk.

Transporting a trafficked girl on a plane for an hour hoping she didn't pipe up and 0% chance to escape if she did. I would not want to be the one doing that. Surely the easier route would be to kidnap somebody in Ireland, or offer them a job, get them to fly over and kidnap them, or just move them to a different town in England maybe?

It's a tragic story if it's real, but I really do struggle believing this.

[scutty brown]

Transporting a trafficked girl on a plane for an hour hoping she didn't pipe up and 0% chance to escape if she did. I would not want to be the one doing that. Surely the easier route would be to kidnap somebody in Ireland, or offer them a job, get them to fly over and kidnap them, or just move them to a different town in England maybe?

It's a tragic story if it's real, but I really do struggle believing this.

There are elements to the story which only begin to make sense if you read ALL the press reports and start to fill in the gaps.
From what the reports say, she was an easy target because she was living in the same flat block as the kidnappers. She was close at hand, the kidnappers could research her background and identify her family and use threats against them to force her compliance.
Once she was kidnapped she was touted around for sale and an Irish based gang bought her. Flying would have involved the shortest transit time and the lowest risk. Remember the girl had been multiply raped and traumatised so was scared shitless, threatened with the death of her family, and while its not stated in the press reports I would have expected that she would have been doped up with a sedative to keep her compliant.
I find the story believable (I've come across similar in the past and it all seems consistent) but what bothers me is why a tale from 2011 has hit multiple press channels now. Someone is playing a game. In reality there are many newer stories which you would find more eye-opening if they were made public now - and would actually fit the anti-punting campaigners message if they were released now. It may be that there's a desire not to release information regarding more recent cases in an attempt to disguise the nature of the methodology of investigation

[wristjob]

I find the story believable (I've come across similar in the past and it all seems consistent) but what bothers me is why a tale from 2011 has hit multiple press channels now. Someone is playing a game. In reality there are many newer stories which you would find more eye-opening if they were made public now - and would actually fit the anti-punting campaigners message if they were released now. It may be that there's a desire not to release information regarding more recent cases in an attempt to disguise the nature of the methodology of investigation

It's difficult. I can't imagine it got prosecuted if it didn't happen but I imagine there were gaps in the coverage. I feel it must be true but it seems too surreal to be true if that makes sense?

2011 story being touted now is odd, and the only logical reason is they wanted to publish a story on these lines and this one was ready and didn't need any research and work. I guess that's what you are saying - and so why do they really want a story like this out there now? Maybe this leads the way so they can release the more recent stories, maybe one about to hit the courts, and make it seem like it happens more often than it does?

[scutty brown]

The surreality comment does make sense, but then so many tales of this type are verging on the surreal. I've mentioned several times on here a Chinese girl who was picked up by a gang at Heathrow and forced into working - and her tale is like a film plot. The same gang has several other victims. I've come across Romanians who were being deliberately starved by their pimps to ensure compliance: enough fucks earned the girl a pot noodle. Surreal? You've not seen the half of it

[maxQ]

What a horrible story, can’t believe they only got 2 years in prison for what they did. What is even more disgusting is the punters who knew she’s trafficked and still went ahead

I have my doubts about the story

They knew that we were kept there," she says. "They knew, but they didn't care."
It was obvious from the bruises which covered every inch of Anna's body - fresh ones appearing every day where older ones were beginning to fade away - and it didn't bother them.
She hated them all.

Most punters have no interest in stuff like that

I think this story is part of a push for changes in the law