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Offline Daffodil

The appartment next door has just become the base of a WG. How do I know? She told me her address when I was enquiring about arranging a punt! Imagine my surprise.
Now, convenient as it would be (and no I didn't go through with my punt) I'm not sure I like the idea. The lift is going day and night, strange guys on the landing, doors banging.
The appartment normally is used as a holiday let so the arrangement is probably temporary.
Am I being hypocritical?

Offline James999

Assuming she is renting the apartment she is breaking the law

If you want her out report her annonymously to the landlord and mention

Section 36 Sexual Offences Act 1956

She will be gone very quickly.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Assuming she is renting the apartment she is breaking the law

If you want her out report her annonymously to the landlord and mention

Section 36 Sexual Offences Act 1956

She will be gone very quickly.

The wording of section 36 is as follows -----
"It is an offence for the tenant or occupier of any premises knowingly to permit the whole or part of the premises to be used for the purposes of habitual prostitution."

What is meant by "habitual" prostitution. ?????

It appears to be a very grey area to me -------- it would mean that every independant prossie is breaking the law, that can't be right surely.  ??


Offline softlad


It appears to be a very grey area to me -------- it would mean that every independant prossie is breaking the law, that can't be right surely.  ??


I would imagine it's right, aren't there clauses in most mortgages that you can't use the premise's for any kind of business ?
(Unless you own the property out right).

Offline Lucy chambers

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The wording of section 36 is as follows -----
"It is an offence for the tenant or occupier of any premises knowingly to permit the whole or part of the premises to be used for the purposes of habitual prostitution."

What is meant by "habitual" prostitution. ?????

It appears to be a very grey area to me -------- it would mean that every independant prossie is breaking the law, that can't be right surely.  ??



It is a grey area but unfortunately you can be asked to leave properties for this. Luckily most landlords and police forces could not give a monkeys as long as there are no drugs etc.

Lovely advice as always from the resident troll. Obviously you could just put a note through the door asking the lady to vacate before you report her rather than being an absolute arse, but hey ho.

Offline James999

What is meant by "habitual" prostitution. ?????
It appears to be a very grey area to me -------- it would mean that every independant prossie is breaking the law, that can't be right surely.  ??

No Landlord will want to go into any "grey area" so as soon as he's alerted she's out of there  :cool:

After all once it has been brought to a landlords attention he will not wish to run the risk of knowingly allowing it, to say a landlord will turn a blind eye is rubbish, possibly a foreign landlord letting out dodgy properties for cash, but no respecatable landlord would run the risk as it could also cause them issues with any Mortgage / borrowings they may have on the property.

As for putting a note through her door, why risk it, she may cause you all sorts of grief and hassle and still may not leave, reporting to the landlord causes no hassle to you and a guaranteed result.

If the Landlord doesn't act, then ask him...

Can you confirm that the insurance for the building allows for the apartments to be used for commercial purposes (i.e. prostitution)

Or contact the council and ask them if the Apartments are assesed for commercial use for council tax.

« Last Edit: March 12, 2011, 04:51:57 PM by James999 »

Offline Wayang

It is a grey area but unfortunately you can be asked to leave properties for this. Luckily most landlords and police forces could not give a monkeys as long as there are no drugs etc.

Lovely advice as always from the resident troll. Obviously you could just put a note through the door asking the lady to vacate before you report her rather than being an absolute arse, but hey ho.
Way back it happened to me - but the lady was very discrete and I only found out by answering an ad in a local paper after she had been using the flat for about six months.
As I was moving on in about six months I found it very useful to have a 'resident' WG - but no freebees and I always paid the full £120 an hour.  But I did get to play with all her new toys.

Offline Mellow

The landlord would need to have seen "evidence" to back up his hunch that his property is being used for the purpose of "Habitual" prostitution. Third party hearsay evidence is hardly something he could rely on.

Offline Jimmyredcab

No Landlord will want to go into any "grey area" so as soon as he's alerted she's out of there  :cool:


I am sure she would be breaking her tenancy agreement ----------- I am more interested to know which law she is breaking. ???????????

Offline James999

The lift is going day and night, strange guys on the landing, doors banging.

But Surely she only sees 2 clients a day to keep herself fresh  :D

Offline smiths


I am sure she would be breaking her tenancy agreement ----------- I am more interested to know which law she is breaking. ???????????

If she is working alone she isnt breaking the law and assuming she is doing it out of her own free will the police wouldnt be interested unless they were tipped off drugs, underage WGs, public nuisance or suchlike was going on. The proof to this is that brothels which have two or more WGs and are illegal are everywhere yet are allowed to operate by the police, which is down to the police in any given area. Stevenage in Herts for example has a zero tolerance policy, Milton Keynes a liberal policy, but it could change at any moment if the police decided to crack down.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2011, 06:28:55 PM by smiths »

Offline Strawberry

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I have heard of one landlord who was absolutely fine when he found out his tenant was a WG, he had other properties close by and it was handy for him to have someone who could keep an eye on them, show people around etc.

Offline James999

I have heard of one landlord who was absolutely fine when he found out his tenant was a WG, he had other properties close by and it was handy for him to have someone who could keep an eye on them, show people around etc.

So a prostitute acting as an estate agent, well estate agents lie so I guess there is a link there.

Nice Story Strawberry, thanks for making it up  :D

Offline Silverado


I am sure she would be breaking her tenancy agreement ----------- I am more interested to know which law she is breaking. ???????????

Providing that she's working alone then she's not breaking any law.

Although she is a tenant she is not breaching section 36 because she is "using" the premises and not permitting them to be used by a third party.

If it's an apartment then it's fairly safe to assume that her landlord himself has a lease from the freeholder/superior landlord. The landlord would therefore be a tenant as well. Once the landlord is on notice then he becomes at risk of committing an offence under section 36.

Having said that, the police are unlikely to prosecute. Most of these situations are resolved because the prostitute is in breach of her tenancy agreement and the landlord will be in breach of his headlease (and mortgage, if there is one). If convicted the landlord can be required to assign the lease to a third party in accordance with the provisions of Schedule 1 of the 1956 Act. Forfeiture is a possibilty, in which case the superior landlord gets the apartment back by way of a windfall.

Most landlords will take action because they have too much to lose if they don't.

Offline Lurtz

I'd expect most landlords to increase the rent if they new prostitution was going on.

Offline smiths

The appartment next door has just become the base of a WG. How do I know? She told me her address when I was enquiring about arranging a punt! Imagine my surprise.
Now, convenient as it would be (and no I didn't go through with my punt) I'm not sure I like the idea. The lift is going day and night, strange guys on the landing, doors banging.
The appartment normally is used as a holiday let so the arrangement is probably temporary.
Am I being hypocritical?

No more hypocritical than a lot of punters would be including myself,  in my opinion.

Offline Strawberry

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Thanks James, you have just proven to me why it's pointless to post anymore on this forum - because it will just be countered by yourself.

Offline oconnor

No.  It's not pointless.  Stop feeding the troll and keep posting. This forum would be a poorer place if you left.  Any landlord who finds out his premises are being used for prostitution will know he will always get his rent surely?

Offline smiths

Thanks James, you have just proven to me why it's pointless to post anymore on this forum - because it will just be countered by yourself.

I hope you reconsider Strawberry, IMO its great to have a lady who knows what she is talking about and contributes like yourself. :D

Offline Strawberry

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Sorry.

I was simply posting how I felt. I'm not going anywhere, nor threatening to do so. It was simply a statement of fact, I was having a bad 30 seconds!

Now back to the thread.

The other bonus for a landlord is that if he ends up with a decent, conscientious WG then his property will probably be well kept. A lot of ladies do take pride in their surroundings, and will keep them to a high standard often arranging their own repairs etc. I can however also see how someone who is lax regards their working practices, could bring a place down too. I guess like any tenant. WG or not.

Offline Lurtz

The other bonus for a landlord is that if he ends up with a decent, conscientious WG then his property will probably be well kept. A lot of ladies do take pride in their surroundings, and will keep them to a high standard often arranging their own repairs etc. I can however also see how someone who is lax regards their working practices, could bring a place down too. I guess like any tenant. WG or not.

Ah, but won't the value of the property fall because it is classed as an ex-knocking shop?

Offline Strawberry

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Depends on whether it becomes widely known, if it's all done discretely I doubt it would be a problem especially if you sell to someone out of the area. You might argue that many neighbours would also want to keep all fuss to a minimum, since drawing attention to it could affect their property price too. Would you know whether or not your house has been used for the same purpose in the past?

Offline Lurtz

Depends on whether it becomes widely known, if it's all done discretely I doubt it would be a problem especially if you sell to someone out of the area. You might argue that many neighbours would also want to keep all fuss to a minimum, since drawing attention to it could affect their property price too. Would you know whether or not your house has been used for the same purpose in the past?

Now you mention it, there are some bloodstains on the floorboards in my bedroom and there is a curious smell coming from the conservatory. I think this place has 'history'.

Oh, and by the way, I reckon a fluffy would pay a premium for an ex-knocking shop - especially if it was left furnished. Seconds after getting the keys he'd be in the bedroom sniffing up bedbugs like cocaine!  :D

Offline Lucy chambers

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Some landlords actively look for WG's. God knows enough proposition me as they think I need a base. At the end of the day, a discreet single WG is about the least troublesome tenant you could have.

Offline Silverado

The appartment next door has just become the base of a WG. How do I know? She told me her address when I was enquiring about arranging a punt! Imagine my surprise.
Now, convenient as it would be (and no I didn't go through with my punt) I'm not sure I like the idea. The lift is going day and night, strange guys on the landing, doors banging.
The appartment normally is used as a holiday let so the arrangement is probably temporary.
Am I being hypocritical?

I see that you're in Cardiff. A few years ago, one of the blocks at Prospect Place down the bay had loads of WG's in it, mostly EE. They generally worked only during the day so not much of a noise problem. Most people were unaware or didn't care.


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