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Author Topic: Why you should ALWAYS use a punting phone and punting name!!!  (Read 27418 times)

Offline theotherside

I think she said it was neither her nor Cindy that put the warning there it sounds like chinese whispers gone mad! Hopefully KC can show Amy on the saafe board the reply to this thread and help get that warning off the board. 3rd party warnings are never really useful. What a silly mess.

Offline Kram

So the SP messes up and the it's the punters fault

Seems legit  :wacko:

You said your friend isn't on AW as soon as the KC mentioned private gallery surely the penny shoulda dropped

Offline Admin

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So "Sashagirl", have you been a member of this site before?

should always use a fake name and pay as you go phone

Hi Sasha,

I appreciate you coming on here to explain your side of things; it would have been very easy for you to just ignore this whole thing, to go with the aggression version of events (whoever came up with them) and put the blame on me, or otherwise just avoid it. Hopefully you've contacted the mod of the SAAFE thread too to clear things up on both sides. Anyway, on to the meat of the matter...

If Mr KC had simply contacted after the fact to express his dissatisfaction with what happened (the next day we realised it had been a mix up with the diary and phones - who has appointment with who etc) then we could have explained what had happened. However since Mr KC walked out so quickly (which is understandable!), and we do not contact clients outwith bookings then we had no way of letting Mr KC know it was an accidental mistake. We would have apologised for Mr KC's wasted journey.
You suggest I should have contacted you to express my dissatisfaction with what happened, but I disagree with this. There is no mention of a second person on your AW profile, no second person had been mentioned prior to the meet, and (contrary to the SAAFE post) I never saw a second person in that flat. As far as I was aware there was only ever one person I had been dealing with (I mentioned in the review that "Cindy" said "WE", suggesting there was someone else involved, however this was something that occurred to me looking back, and was only one very small indication). From what I knew there was one person, one phone, one profile; why would I then give that same person a phone call the following day just to repeat what I had said on the day I met her- that she was not the person in the photos? I would counter that it was you (or her) who had the responsibility to contact me and inform me of the mix up. I understand you do not like to contact punters unarranged via their phones, however you could have done so via an AW email. [/quote]

As for the false warning letter linked to by KC, we GENUINELY are not responsible for this. Mr KC did not abuse anyone in any way in person. I can only think this has come through the grapevine somehow
Appreciate you saying this and helping me to clear my name; it's a very serious accusation and not one to be thrown around lightly. As I say, it would have been easier to just hide away from all this and ignore it rather than tackle it head on. My only concern is that it the post was made Nov 4th, and it is now Nov 26th, although perhaps like me you just didn't see it until now, which is entirely possible if you weren't the one who made the accusation and aren't involved with SAAFE either.


since Cindy did share with a few massage friends who work nearby in the City Centre the phone number of Mr KC, NOT for any malicious reasons at all, but because these ladies are also what would be considered "mature" masseuses, being in their 40s and 50s, and would be rather upset as Cindy was to also have their names lambasted on a public forum beside the description of "little old lady" !!!!

I don't know that it was necessary to warn others of this; I'm sure it's clear from the fact that I walked out that I was not interested in a booking with Cindy, with the only reason I came to the flat to see her in the first place being because the private gallery indicated that the booking was with someone else. I understand the mixup, however to my mind at the time it looked like a bait and switch, and there was nothing to indicate otherwise for me. As such, any women wishing to avoid me would only have to worry if their profiles did not match the reality.
If everything is as you say, I apologise for upsetting Cindy over my "little old lady" comment. Not everyone has the same tastes, and I'm sure if she has many regulars as you say, then she shouldn't worry about what one person's view of her is. I'm sure you can understand that having waited such a long time outside, then to be met with someone completely different and significantly older than I was led to believe, I was not exactly in a generous frame of mind when writing the review.

It is unfortunate that this matter could not be explained and resolved without KC coming onto this forum to post a negative review. Cindy has good reviews over at the auto-censored and we are only interested in providing a good service and making money, not in "scamming" people in any way. Unfortunately this was a complete accident and we will be sure to be more careful with pencilling in appointments from now on - re this phone , this person, this time.
I hope that in the future Mr KC you will seek to resolve issues with the provider themselves first rather than just automatically assuming the worst (ie "Bait and Switch!") and reporting to AW, coming on here to write reviews etc.
As above, I don't think it was my responsibility to contact you guys and explain; as far as I was aware I had only ever been dealing with one person, from one AW profile (and I'd like to point out that Cindy did not deny that it was her profile at the time). You could have easily sent me an AW message to explain a mixup that I could not have been aware of, but you were. You had all the facts at your disposal, while I did not.

It is also unfortunate that Mr KC felt the need to have my AW profile suspended for 5 days and to post a private picture of me here - thankfully AW responded to my explanation of the situation and reinstated my profile.
I would not otherwise have posted a private picture of any girl on AW, however as I mention in the review, I did so only because the girl in the pictures was a different person from the girl who (from my own meeting) would be at the booking. I had paid to access that private gallery in order to see who I was booking, so was more than a little put out to find out it was a total waste. My report to AW was perfectly justified from what I had experienced; paying for a private gallery, then finding that the girl in the private gallery is not the one on the profile (as far as my experience had proven), and there is a report function specifically for that purpose. Your explanation here says this is not the case, and you were able to explain yourself to AW without having anything removed, so no permanent harm has been done.

Perhaps this kind of attitude is why, and I'm going from quotes from your own posts here, escorts will rarely reply to you again after you have seen them once, you only get replies to a small percentage of your emails etc. Again, we do apologise for the inconvenience and will make sure that in future we will be more careful to record which bookings are with which girl.
Very funny. I think you'll find though that a front page post on SAAFE's warning page that's been read 594 times and counting, saying I'm an aggressive punter who'll barge into your home and assault your friend, has the effect of somewhat putting people off.

Offline CBPaul

My 10 cents worth, fair play to both of you Sasha and KC.

I can not see why KC should even consider contacting further having walked out; he turned up, wasn't happy, walked out, end of. What would be gained from contacting again.

I have only contacted a WG once after a failed punt, got to venue and both numbers I had for her were off. She did call me back to apologise (fair enough) and offer me a discount if I went straight back - why would I leave myself open to another wasted journey though ? The desire to meet had gone by that point and I had no intention of going back. In hindsight contacting her again to find out the reason for the no-show was a total waste of time.

Views on SAAFE are pretty well known on here. The ability to create third party reports is incredulous though. Obviously total lack of credibility in the report should be recognised but that's never going to happen. Hopefully it will be removed but given that this is unlikely can you not make a second post Sasha putting the record straight. Fair enough, Cindy can have a moan about the guy who called her a little old lady but passing on his details is irresponsible.   

I think you'll find though that a front page post on SAAFE's warning page that's been read 594 times and counting, saying I'm an aggressive punter who'll barge into your home and assault your friend, has the effect of somewhat putting people off.

Don't worry about it, 590 of those views will be from UKP'ers who recognise bullshit when they read it.

Offline CBPaul

Yet another example of investing in a punting phone. As some of us have been saying for ages, for the cost of a crappy phone and PAYG SIM it's a no-brainer.

Given this, the chances of a WG contacting you at an inconvenient time and the warnings on smart phones tracking locations etc etc etc it's a big risk to take if you use your civvy phone.

On three occasions a WG has contacted me at an inconvenient time when specifically asked not to. The punting phone was off and hidden away, had it been my main phone Mrs CBP would have been fully aware  :scare:

Offline Jason

If the girl is independent I always make clear to her on the phone that the meeting is conditional upon her real looks (unless she is a well reviewed one).

Sometimes, however, especially when punting abroad I use agencies for outcalls. Agencies may send a different girl by mistake or intentionally because the other girl is already booked (nb. you know that the actual girl is genuine by the way). There are also and those who simply exercise bait and switch.

In any case when I don't see the expected person  (and even when I still like the girl that has appeared and I am going to proceed with the punt normally)- I say something like this (taking names from the above example):

For outcalls (where the girl comes directly to the hotel room) or for incalls:
“Where is Sasha? She doesn’t work today?”  or “Hmm, Are you Sasha’s friend?” or “I came for Sasha is she here?”

When the girl says: “I am Sasha”. Gotcha. I have a printed version of her profile in my pocket and say: “Well I was expecting to see this specific Sasha. You are not this Sasha”

The girl may also say: “Sasha was not available today and they send me. Do you like me?”

As I said if I like what I see I will proceed with the meeting saying: “Anyway you are beautiful too.”
If I don't like what I see I will (if incall) walk out, or (if outcall) contact the agency for the mistake, or simply give to the girl £10 (or 10-20Euros) and ask her to leave.

For outcalls that I meet the girl in the hotel lobby:
If I like what I see I will approach her and say “Are you Sasha?”, She will say “Yes”. I will reply “Well, I almost couldn’t recognise you from the pictures but anyway you look great”.
If it is a bait and switch to something I don't like: I will send a text to her saying “I can't recognise any girl here same as your profile pictures. Where are you standing?” And then proceed as with the room outcall procedure (contact the agency or simply send her back)

Offline Admin

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So "Sashagirl", have you been a member of this site before?

I see you're reading this thread as guest but not logging in to reply.

Offline mystery7

My punting phone looks like something from the early 90s! Sure all WGS that see it think i'm a pauper :) Did stupidly tell one my name the other day. Doh!!!!!!
Banning reason: Abusive + Obsessing over prossie

Offline smiths

My punting phone looks like something from the early 90s! Sure all WGS that see it think i'm a pauper :) Did stupidly tell one my name the other day. Doh!!!!!!

Being thought of as a pauper suits me just fine when punting, i also have a very old punting phone. :thumbsup:

Offline Strawberry

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Being thought of as a pauper suits me just fine when punting, i also have a very old punting phone. :thumbsup:

A person's phone is usually a sign of their choice and requirements, not  necessarily a reflection of wealth especially when the most up-to-date handsets can be seen in the hands of people of all levels of income.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2013, 05:01:27 PM by Strawberry »

Offline smiths

A person's phone is usually a sign of their choice and requirements, not  necessarily a reflection of wealth especially when the most up-to-date handsets can be seen in the hands of people of all levels of income.

I know Strawberry, i was joking. :hi:

Offline Admin

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The private gallery pic posted by KingCharming is that of GlasgowGirl, and "Sashagirl" account on this site has both GlasgowGirl's email and IP.

Glasgowgirl's profile: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;u=243

So it seems that GlasgowGirl is running a pimping bait-and-switch scam?

Offline Sashagirl

Admin, can you prove this (piece of irrelevant and untrue information!) ??. A couple of random pictures and an IP address does not prove anything. How can you say that the picture even is / was GlasgowGirl in the first place when GlasgowGirl was posting?  :D  :wacko:

I joined (and as you can see my colleague also joined) for the sole intention of giving our side of the misunderstanding. The poster Mr KingCharming has already accepted that it was a misunderstanding on the review thread and we have apologised for the mix up several times. What exactly is the point / motive in playing detective then?

I already said that whilst I understand that this is a "male banter" site, I am not interested in getting into any pointless tit-for-tats on this site, it's not my cup of tea at this point in my life. I'd like to be able to read the reviews on my area, which I can do without an account, and that's about it.

I already stated on my post that I would not be logging back into the account after I had made my post, but for some reason you couldn't let it lie. Now I will do so. And you can play detective and make allegations based on a couple of random internet pictures which could be of anyone and ran by anyone to your heart's content.

I only joined to put our side of the story across, and it seems to have been accepted by the punter in question. Also have emailed saafe site about it once I got on there to see if the grapevine misinformation NOT caused by us can be removed. Can we leave it here now. (wishes there was a yawn emoticon).

If possible could you de-activate / ban any accounts held by my IP address? Thank You
« Last Edit: November 26, 2013, 08:07:05 PM by Sashagirl »

Offline Admin

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Admin, can you prove this (piece of irrelevant and untrue information!) ??. A couple of random pictures and an IP address does not prove anything. How can you say that the picture even is / was GlasgowGirl in the first place when GlasgowGirl was posting?  :D  :wacko:

Which part of, your email address matches GlasgowGirl do you not understand you fucking cunt?

Offline Tjkooker

Mmmm he clearly mentions your email and ISP are the same. 2+2=4 not 5
Banning reason: Outing and trolling a punter because he posted a negative about his favourite prossie. White-knight fluffy that pretends otherwise.

Offline Toshiba

I only ever use an agency, am i still to be worried? Do the girls get my number or just the agency?

Offline Dani

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If the apology is true then why is the warning and his username and phone number still up on Saafe.  Daisy does not write down a warning on grapevine rumours.  None of the mods would do that.  They would check it from the horses mouth so to speak.  They would not take a someone told me that another girl told them that they were told this happened.  Saafe doesn't work that way.  Mods do not post idle gossip.  Basically one of them asked the mod to post this or got someone else to ask the mod to post it as it happening to them for whatever reason be it a genuine mistake (in which case the correct name and number should have been put on there by now, or it was done just to be malicious.  For whatever reason it should have been removed by now and if someone had contacted either Daisy or Amy it would have been removed immediately.

I do feel that those involved should actually join up and put a post on there saying that the user name and number given for this attack was totally incorrect and they apologise to the client for his details being put on there and then the real attackers (if there was one) details should be put in its place.

Things like this make a total mockery of the Saafe warnings system.   Its bad enough AW feedback cannot be trusted anymore due to girls being malicious against clients but to bring Saafe down to that level is terrible as it is a trusted site that we tend to believe.  Listing attacks with fake details is just going to bring down the validity of what is a great warning forum

edited*** I have reported this to the mods on Saafe myself seeing as how the person responsible obviously cannot be bothered or doesn't find it an urgent need to clear someones name.  I have pointed them to this thread so they can see themselves that it is untrue
« Last Edit: November 26, 2013, 08:27:06 PM by Dani »

Offline dilettante

If they were really contrite they would of course offer to take care of KC's sexual needs for free themselves till they had successfully negotiated removal of slander from saafe and restored his honour, dignity and unblemished reputation among the WG community.

Offline wristjob

"You're not the girl in the photos" I said
"We don't have photos..."
"In your private gallery you do"

If the above story were true about 2 women working in the same place surely Cindy (?) would would do her own 2+2 and say something like "Oh, you mean the other girl"

Offline Jason

Well Sashagirl now that you are banned let me explain you what this technical "detail" means so that you don't ridicule yourself again. Same IP address means accessing the Internet from the same physical location (same house). Not only this but you used the same email address as that of "Glasgow girl". How did you know/access her email address if you are not her? The best you could do was to be honest and confirm that "Glasgow girl" is you, rather than arguing on technical aspects you clearly don't know.

If the apology is true then why is the warning and his username and phone number still up on Saafe.  Daisy does not write down a warning on grapevine rumours.  None of the mods would do that.  They would check it from the horses mouth so to speak.  They would not take a someone told me that another girl told them that they were told this happened.  Saafe doesn't work that way.  Mods do not post idle gossip.  Basically one of them asked the mod to post this or got someone else to ask the mod to post it as it happening to them for whatever reason be it a genuine mistake (in which case the correct name and number should have been put on there by now, or it was done just to be malicious.  For whatever reason it should have been removed by now and if someone had contacted either Daisy or Amy it would have been removed immediately.

I do feel that those involved should actually join up and put a post on there saying that the user name and number given for this attack was totally incorrect and they apologise to the client for his details being put on there and then the real attackers (if there was one) details should be put in its place.

Things like this make a total mockery of the Saafe warnings system.   Its bad enough AW feedback cannot be trusted anymore due to girls being malicious against clients but to bring Saafe down to that level is terrible as it is a trusted site that we tend to believe.  Listing attacks with fake details is just going to bring down the validity of what is a great warning forum

edited*** I have reported this to the mods on Saafe myself seeing as how the person responsible obviously cannot be bothered or doesn't find it an urgent need to clear someones name.  I have pointed them to this thread so they can see themselves that it is untrue

Interesting to hear that Dani. Perhaps I was a bit hasty in being forgiving as I didn't expect the warning system to be so stringent, or that the post would have been taken down so quickly. Will wait and see any response from SAAFE, so far they haven't allowed me to join which would let me send a message myself.

Offline smiths

I only ever use an agency, am i still to be worried? Do the girls get my number or just the agency?

An Agency could just be some guy working from his parents back bedroom with a laptop and a mobile, thats all thats needed. If the guy or women is low life they will be just as bad as a bad WG obviously. Trust no one who is a complete or virtual stranger in punting is my advice. :hi:


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