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Offline Ben4454

In a perfect world of punting every single working girl would provide a fantastic service. In this world we wouldn't need forums describing our experiences and persuading others to stay clear of the scammers, timewasters and tricksters. The level of service can definitely vary between girl. Some women are just innocently inexperienced at sex, some women follow a mechanical routine due to too much practice and others would rather stab you with a crusifix than give you the service that you paid for with your hard earned cash.

When we buy a service we have a set a mount of expectations on what we expect from this service. When you pay for a hair cut you expect that the hair dresser will neatly trim your hair and make you look better than you did before. When you pay for your car to be washed you expect your car to look stunning and clean when it is finished. You simply pay for a service and you recieve it. The service is a simple action. What about sex then? Is this a simple action? For men most definitely but for women sex can be a lot more complex and some of its causes is deeply rooted in evolutionary psychology.

Men and womens minds are very much different. We as men are more logical and to the point while women are a lot more complicated and emotional with many layers of hormones that dictate sometimes their often diabolical decision making processes that often times they do not understand within the moment. A book can be written about the differences between men and womens minds but for now lets just focus on the basics.

Women want to be having sex with the male who can provide her offspring with the strongest genes. Women seek men for their survival value and their strength. Back in the cave man era this meant the male who was able to protect her and look after their offspring. This is how the attraction process works in women. Women seek men with high value. In essence attraction in itself is a value judging circuit.

Nowadays we are in a era where we are not walking around fighting with weapons and showing the women that we can protect her and are high value. Women have had to adapt and look for characteristics that may indicate our survival value. In modern terms this is called confidence. A women will often test you in your interactions to see if you can confidence within yourself. This can come in many shapes or forms. Anything from 'Will you buy me a drink' in a bar  to 'Should we go on a break' in a 5 year relationship. As we can tell relationships and sex is definitely a lot more complex for women then it is for men.

This is why in my opinion no matter how much it hurts sometimes that sex cannot be treated as a simple action and service by the girl. Some girls really struggle with balancing their concious mind and their subconcious psychological processes. Let me give you an example....

''Kathlyn has decided that she is going to become an escort. She needs the money for christmas and loves sex so thinks that joining this industry will provide her with more wealth and more time to have fun and pleasure. Her first meeting is with a guy named 'BigBob' she is both extremely nervous and excited about her first meeting.

Bob enters her hotel room and compliments her on her looks. Kathlyn went to big trouble with making sure her looks were perfect as she wanted bob to find her attractive. She takes the compliment well but wants to get the money out of the way soon as possible. Bob then goes in to kiss her but she backs off and asks bob to give her the money so they can enjoy themselves. Kathlyn wants to get the money out of the way as soon as possible so she doesn't feel like she has been 'bought' - which if we remember from womens psychology conflicts with why women have sex. They don't have sex for money they have sex with high value men. Bob gets a bad feeling and thinks Kathlyn is going to be a bad punt but gives her the money and hopes it will get better.

During the initial stages Kathlyn is getting increasingly nervous. Her concious mind is saying 'Provide a service and her subconcious mind is saying 'I do not want sex this man hasn't displayed the criteria i need in order to get horny and have sex. Kathlyn then says to Bob lets talk for a bit and begins chatting to him. Bob just wants to get down to business but Kathlyn tries to engage him in conversation. This annoys bob as he interprets this as delaying tactics and begins to get increasingly aggitated. Bob paid for a service and expects it but Kathlyn is finding it difficult to battle her subconcious mind. She goes along with it and allows bob to penetrate her despite getting a bit of an attitude which she tries to control.

Bob then begins penetrating kathlyn for the next hour non stop. Kathlyn begins to hurt and turns to bob and says 'I am not a sex machine!' Bob then says I PAID FOR A SERVICE. You give me what I paid  for!' Bob does not understand  the comment that Kathlyn gave her. He thinks he paid for a service so he should get it but forgets that this is a person and not a machine.

Bob and Kathlyn begin to build some tension and the punt which started off so well seems to be plummeting in positive atmosphere. He thinks right I have had enough of her attitude so I am going to finish quickly and get it over with. Bob then leaves Kathlyns house and wishes he found a better service provider.

As you can tell for some women providing a sex service can be difficult. Not all women are geared towards this line of work as some find it more difficult to balance their internal processes with the ones at hand. These women should quit but with the current decrease in economy some women need this line of work in order to live the lifestyle  they want. Some women however find it easy to balance their internal processes and more often than not are regarded as fantastic service providers. Which they definitely are.

Turning a bad punt into a good punt: I think it is just recognising that you are going a bit too fast for the girl. She is providing you a service but she is not a machine. This is why I never have expectations while going into a punt but let things develop exactly how they would be as if i was with a girl I wasn't paying for. Would you do things the same way if you were with a girl you wasn't paying for? You are being both unnatural to her as she is being unnatural to you.

Here is an example of a recent punt I had with an Italian girl:

One of the reasons why I booked this girl is because I wanted to dominate her and after a 1 week hiatus of no release I was ready for some good dirty sex.

She entered my hotel room and seemed quite nervous and aloof. I knew that I would need to work a little bit slower with this girl or risk the punt going bad. Maybe I should just send her away? Nah this girl is extremely gorgeous and I want us to have amazing pleasure together. I got the money out of the way as soon as possible. I handed it to her and then left the room for a moment. I then came back in and sat on the bed and began texting on my phone. This warped what shes used to and took her a little off guard. 'Is everything ok?' she said to me. I said yes everything is fantastic. The lack of attention caused her to jump on top of me. Ok so now we are getting somewhere. Even  though I paid her for a service I just got to help her battle her inner demons so we can open the venutian flood gates.

She then during this moment hit her head on the lamp shade.

I smiled at her and said 'Oh dear not the best of starts is it? ;)' She laughed and began initiating me in playful banter. As the banter increased I began touching her body and kissing her and getting her aroused. She then started to look nervous again and I quickly jumped off her smiling and said 'hold up and began texting on my phone. I think at this point she started to work for my attention and I could tell something changed within her. We began kissing and I teased her body for 15 minutes until she couldn't take it anymore. Now she was ready for sex. Now she was ready to be dominated.

I then quickly pinned her to the bed and began demonstrating how dominating I was. If I had gone too fast with her from the start I just think her attitude would have increased due to her subconcious processes. All in all we had the most fantastic dominating sex. Its details locked away in the vault of time.

In conclusion I believe there are some bad service providers out there. There are people who truely do not want to be in the job or forced and others who just find it difficult to balance their internal processes and we interpret it as they are bad service providers. Maybe it would be good for some girl wg's here to chip in and let me know if I have nailed it but I think I have done pretty well.

I think you just need to be slower and engage the girl in banter and let her act on her attraction for you despite her internal processes going hay wire. To be chill and just like you would be with a girl you werent paying. Obviously we are paying for a service and we expect what we pay for but sometimes we just have to realise that

women are not machines.

Badboy.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2013, 01:44:46 PM by Ben4454 »
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Offline cunnyhunt

 :cry: I can't fucking take any more....

Offline ulander

Turning a bad post into a good post.......delete.


Offline Daffodil

I didn't even get through the first paragraph

Offline hollysbeenabadgirl

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My attitude to providing a service will not change depending on how the start of the time is used, but it will make a difference to just how turned on I am and my genuine responses. So yes, in essence the way you conduct yourself initially may mean the difference between say a girl gushing or not as we are not just physical creatures and a mental or physical warm up helps.

That said, I think you may be thinking about it all far too much, being polite and maybe getting through the door before popping a condom on should be fine.

Offline smiths

In a perfect world of punting every single working girl would provide a fantastic service. In this world we wouldn't need forums describing our experiences and persuading others to stay clear of the scammers, timewasters and tricksters. The level of service can definitely vary between girl. Some women are just innocently inexperienced at sex, some women follow a mechanical routine due to too much practice and others would rather stab you with a crusifix than give you the service that you paid for with your hard earned cash.

When we buy a service we have a set a mount of expectations on what we expect from this service. When you pay for a hair cut you expect that the hair dresser will neatly trim your hair and make you look better than you did before. When you pay for your car to be washed you expect your car to look stunning and clean when it is finished. You simply pay for a service and you recieve it. The service is a simple action. What about sex then? Is this a simple action? For men most definitely but for women sex can be a lot more complex and some of its causes is deeply rooted in evolutionary psychology.

Men and womens minds are very much different. We as men are more logical and to the point while women are a lot more complicated and emotional with many layers of hormones that dictate sometimes their often diabolical decision making processes that often times they do not understand within the moment. A book can be written about the differences between men and womens minds but for now lets just focus on the basics.

Women want to be having sex with the male who can provide her offspring with the strongest genes. Women seek men for their survival value and their strength. Back in the cave man era this meant the male who was able to protect her and look after their offspring. This is how the attraction process works in women. Women seek men with high value. In essence attraction in itself is a value judging circuit.

Nowadays we are in a era where we are not walking around fighting with weapons and showing the women that we can protect her and are high value. Women have had to adapt and look for characteristics that may indicate our survival value. In modern terms this is called confidence. A women will often test you in your interactions to see if you can confidence within yourself. This can come in many shapes or forms. Anything from 'Will you buy me a drink' in a bar  to 'Should we go on a break' in a 5 year relationship. As we can tell relationships and sex is definitely a lot more complex for women then it is for men.

This is why in my opinion no matter how much it hurts sometimes that sex cannot be treated as a simple action and service by the girl. Some girls really struggle with balancing their concious mind and their subconcious psychological processes. Let me give you an example....

''Kathlyn has decided that she is going to become an escort. She needs the money for christmas and loves sex so thinks that joining this industry will provide her with more wealth and more time to have fun and pleasure. Her first meeting is with a guy named 'BigBob' she is both extremely nervous and excited about her first meeting.

Bob enters her hotel room and compliments her on her looks. Kathlyn went to big trouble with making sure her looks were perfect as she wanted bob to find her attractive. She takes the compliment well but wants to get the money out of the way soon as possible. Bob then goes in to kiss her but she backs off and asks bob to give her the money so they can enjoy themselves. Kathlyn wants to get the money out of the way as soon as possible so she doesn't feel like she has been 'bought' - which if we remember from womens psychology conflicts with why women have sex. They don't have sex for money they have sex with high value men. Bob gets a bad feeling and thinks Kathlyn is going to be a bad punt but gives her the money and hopes it will get better.

During the initial stages Kathlyn is getting increasingly nervous. Her concious mind is saying 'Provide a service and her subconcious mind is saying 'I do not want sex this man hasn't displayed the criteria i need in order to get horny and have sex. Kathlyn then says to Bob lets talk for a bit and begins chatting to him. Bob just wants to get down to business but Kathlyn tries to engage him in conversation. This annoys bob as he interprets this as delaying tactics and begins to get increasingly aggitated. Bob paid for a service and expects it but Kathlyn is finding it difficult to battle her subconcious mind. She goes along with it and allows bob to penetrate her despite getting a bit of an attitude which she tries to control.

Bob then begins penetrating kathlyn for the next hour non stop. Kathlyn begins to hurt and turns to bob and says 'I am not a sex machine!' Bob then says I PAID FOR A SERVICE. You give me what I paid  for!' Bob does not understand  the comment that Kathlyn gave her. He thinks he paid for a service so he should get it but forgets that this is a person and not a machine.

Bob and Kathlyn begin to build some tension and the punt which started off so well seems to be plummeting in positive atmosphere. He thinks right I have had enough of her attitude so I am going to finish quickly and get it over with. Bob then leaves Kathlyns house and wishes he found a better service provider.

As you can tell for some women providing a sex service can be difficult. Not all women are geared towards this line of work as some find it more difficult to balance their internal processes with the ones at hand. These women should quit but with the current decrease in economy some women need this line of work in order to live the lifestyle  they want. Some women however find it easy to balance their internal processes and more often than not are regarded as fantastic service providers. Which they definitely are.

Turning a bad punt into a good punt: I think it is just recognising that you are going a bit too fast for the girl. She is providing you a service but she is not a machine. This is why I never have expectations while going into a punt but let things develop exactly how they would be as if i was with a girl I wasn't paying for. Would you do things the same way if you were with a girl you wasn't paying for? You are being both unnatural to her as she is being unnatural to you.

Here is an example of a recent punt I had with an Italian girl:

One of the reasons why I booked this girl is because I wanted to dominate her and after a 1 week hiatus of no release I was ready for some good dirty sex.

She entered my hotel room and seemed quite nervous and aloof. I knew that I would need to work a little bit slower with this girl or risk the punt going bad. Maybe I should just send her away? Nah this girl is extremely gorgeous and I want us to have amazing pleasure together. I got the money out of the way as soon as possible. I handed it to her and then left the room for a moment. I then came back in and sat on the bed and began texting on my phone. This warped what shes used to and took her a little off guard. 'Is everything ok?' she said to me. I said yes everything is fantastic. The lack of attention caused her to jump on top of me. Ok so now we are getting somewhere. Even  though I paid her for a service I just got to help her battle her inner demons so we can open the venutian flood gates.

She then during this moment hit her head on the lamp shade.

I smiled at her and said 'Oh dear not the best of starts is it? ;)' She laughed and began initiating me in playful banter. As the banter increased I began touching her body and kissing her and getting her aroused. She then started to look nervous again and I quickly jumped off her smiling and said 'hold up and began texting on my phone. I think at this point she started to work for my attention and I could tell something changed within her. We began kissing and I teased her body for 15 minutes until she couldn't take it anymore. Now she was ready for sex. Now she was ready to be dominated.

I then quickly pinned her to the bed and began demonstrating how dominating I was. If I had gone too fast with her from the start I just think her attitude would have increased due to her subconcious processes. All in all we had the most fantastic dominating sex. Its details locked away in the vault of time.

In conclusion I believe there are some bad service providers out there. There are people who truely do not want to be in the job or forced and others who just find it difficult to balance their internal processes and we interpret it as they are bad service providers. Maybe it would be good for some girl wg's here to chip in and let me know if I have nailed it but I think I have done pretty well.

I think you just need to be slower and engage the girl in banter and let her act on her attraction for you despite her internal processes going hay wire. To be chill and just like you would be with a girl you werent paying. Obviously we are paying for a service and we expect what we pay for but sometimes we just have to realise that

women are not machines.

Badboy.

It was like reading War and Peace. A WG working of her own free who chooses to be a WG and if she is taking punters money should offer a good service in my view, end of.

A reason i punt is that i can cut out the dating game bollocks and have a WG tickling my tonsils within a few minutes of her opening her door to me. Its her job to be ready and willing to do this asap. I have no interest in "warming a WG up" as they should already be or at least act warmed up and ready.

ANY sign of a bad attitude and thats me finished nowadays, a bad punt cant be turned into a good one for me.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2013, 02:27:35 PM by smiths »

Offline mh

I don't get it at all. Is this Psychology homework that you're getting us to critique? There could be some good points in there, but who knows........

Offline Dani

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Most of what was written is bullshit.  A man trying to pretend he understands why prossies give either a good or bad service.
Its much simpler than that.  she either wants to do a good job or she doesn't. 
Yes your attitude does make a difference but it shouldn't show on the girl.  She may be thinking this guy is an arrogant twat and I cant wait to get rid of him but she should not show it.  She should give the best service she can and then block your number once you have left so she doesn't have to do it again.

When it comes to sex I don't look at each client and give a different service depending on how I think he can provide. I don't even subconsciously think about if he is a provider or not. 
If we looked at clients this way then all are providers as they all pay us the same amount of money.

I think someone has too much time on his/her hands and needs to perhaps stop thinking too much.  There is no excuse to give a bad service and those who choose to do so will always give a bad one no matter what you do and you cant turn bad into good

Offline CatBBW

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Just looks like wank fodder with a bit of psychobabble thrown in to make it seem a bit hinterlecktuwerl.


Offline Ali Katt

I've had punts that start off good and descend into utter dogshit; it's rare the other way round. I don't care if the punter before was a berk, if she has PMS or if she is having bad day - these are all trivial matters. If she offers bad service, I will do everything I can to discredit her and hope she loses business off the back of it. The last thing the world needs is another crap prossie. Stuff about "not clicking" or "having bad day" doesn't cut any ice with me.

Offline akauya

I won't even bother asking for an abridged version.

 :rolleyes:

Offline Ali Katt

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I think you just need to be slower and engage the girl in banter and let her act on her attraction for you despite her internal processes going hay wire. To be chill and just like you would be with a girl you werent paying. Obviously we are paying for a service and we expect what we pay for but sometimes we just have to realise that

women are not machines.
Why treat the woman like a nervous virgin? Attraction is an almost instant reaction, it's either there or it isn't I don't think you can build it up. One of the things I like about punting is can cut out all the getting to know you bollocks. Most prossies hold my interest for less than 2 minutes conversation wise anyway. Some may see what I have written as sexist, but all I want is good shag.

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Turning a bad punt into a good punt: I think it is just recognising that you are going a bit too fast for the girl. She is providing you a service but she is not a machine. This is why I never have expectations while going into a punt but let things develop exactly how they would be as if i was with a girl I wasn't paying for. Would you do things the same way if you were with a girl you wasn't paying for? You are being both unnatural to her as she is being unnatural to you.
You're contradicting yourself. Paid sex is an unatural act, so why act natural? - that is false.

I appreciate you're trying to be diplomatic about it OP, but at the end of the day it's a little unfair to assume the punter has to give as much as the WG, considering the punter is paying a pretty hefty sum, while the WG is not.

If a WG is uncomfortable jumping straight into sex, she can always reserve the first 15 minutes to chat and then give the punter his hour of sex after that; there's no reason why the punter should be the one to have to pay for this time. I certainly believe punters and WGs should be considerate of one another, but given that this is, as you say, a difference between the two genders (one wants to get started right away, one doesn't), I think it's unreasonable to say that the punter should be the one to give in all the time, to always be paying more and receiving less (i.e. just accepting that his paid for punting time must be partially eaten into to make the girl feel happier about being a WG).

That's why punters see it as timewasting tactics; he is paying heavily for that time which benefits only the WG (assuming the punter isn't interested in chatting of course).

Also keep in mind for whatever reason a WG may simply not wish to have sex with us. Maybe we're unattractive, maybe we're just not her type. I don't think you can win everyone over and if a WG is simply not interested or wants to cut the time short, there's no reason she can't do so if she refunds the difference. More likely though she'll keep the money and try and get you out the door quicker.

Offline AnthG

I am sorry to the OP but I have not read your post. Its just too long and offputting.
 
But there are four reasons why a punt will be bad.

1. You book the girl and she is unattractive - nothing much you can do about that.

2. You book the girl and she does not do the services you are after - nothing much you can do about that

3. You book the girl and she is in a can't be bothered mood, or she sees you as a soft touch or finds you repulsive.

4. You book the girl and she is nervous like hell so doesn't want to do much.

For the third one you can try and be nice, but likely that wont change much, or you can confront her. Likely that will get her back up and she will then do even less or kick you out.

For the fourth this one is the one that is kind of what I am guessing the OP is maybe advising on. But I would say its the least likely of the four scenarios.

Online James999

I am sorry to the OP but I have not read your post. Its just too long and offputting.

Comming from you Anth that's pretty harsh  :hi:

Offline theotherside

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Men and womens minds are very much different. We as men are more logical and to the point while women are a lot more complicated and emotional with many layers of hormones that dictate sometimes their often diabolical decision making processes that often times they do not understand within the moment. A book can be written about the differences between men and womens minds but for now lets just focus on the basics.

Men have hormones that dictate their "often diabolical decision making process" Too. It's called thinking with your dick.  :hi:

I think you might to sit down with a cup of tea and relax. Like many people have already said if a guy is clean and respectful then there is no excuse for bad service.


Offline Ali Katt

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4. You book the girl and she is nervous like hell so doesn't want to do much.
I've yet to experience this one. I think seeing parlour girls has a lot to do with it, most have been around a bit. I rarely see new girls with no feedback either.

Offline LL

I think you just need to be slower and engage the girl in banter and let her act on her attraction for you despite her internal processes going hay wire. To be chill and just like you would be with a girl you werent paying. Obviously we are paying for a service and we expect what we pay for but sometimes we just have to realise that

Badboy.
Well I read it all.
"Badboy" - I think you're on an ego-trip.  You think you can get the women you pay to act on their attraction to you?  To fall for you maybe?  To want you.  This is very unlikely to happen.  You're deluded if you think that's happening for you regularly, or even at all. 

Offline wristjob

Didn't read the original post. Sorry dude but jeez.


Its much simpler than that.  she either wants to do a good job or she doesn't. 

True for any job Dani, and true for punting.


Offline Mystique46m

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Fuck me, I've just gouged out me own eyeballs do I didn't have to read the OP.....

I am sorry to the OP but I have not read your post. Its just too long and offputting.
 
But there are four reasons why a punt will be bad.

1. You book the girl and she is unattractive - nothing much you can do about that.

2. You book the girl and she does not do the services you are after - nothing much you can do about that

3. You book the girl and she is in a can't be bothered mood, or she sees you as a soft touch or finds you repulsive.

4. You book the girl and she is nervous like hell so doesn't want to do much.

For the third one you can try and be nice, but likely that wont change much, or you can confront her. Likely that will get her back up and she will then do even less or kick you out.

For the fourth this one is the one that is kind of what I am guessing the OP is maybe advising on. But I would say its the least likely of the four scenarios.

That sums it up really! If a punt is shit, it will remain that way doesn't matter what you do.

Concerning number 3, I think the tactic to use is to be nice first and go with the flow with what you want to do, within the services she can offer you. If she is still shit, then confront. As AnthG said the likely result will be that you get her back up and she'll treat you even worse...or by the grace of gods the confrontation will shake her up and she puts in more effort to please.



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