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Author Topic: Condoms, Bareback, OWO and STD Risks  (Read 11527 times)

Curious to hear everyone's thoughts and practices regarding how they protect themselves when punting.

I've had at least two occasions in my punting career where the condom has split, so that in effect, although briefly and without either of our knowledge or intent, I've effectively been bareback with a WG. Both times I've been to the GUM clinic straight afterwards, avoided any sexual contact in the interim, and followed this up with another GUM visit in 3 months, and thankfully been found clear every time.

The experience has however, scared the shit out of me. Once can be a fluke, twice and it's a trend. It's difficult to find any statistics on transmission rates for STIs under various circumstances, so it's hard to evaluate the real risk here.

The majority of us would agree, even in the absence of any solid figures, that bareback is extremely risky, based on common sense alone. I've been thinking lately though, that if a condom breaks during sex with a WG, in effect what happens is you have basically gone bareback, albeit briefly (unless you were able to pull out right before the condom broke via some sort of psychic intuition, there would have to have been some contact between genitals). What does the chance of a condom breaking, plus the chance of catching something from that exposure, translate into regarding your risks of an STI from protected sex with a WG? I.e. how risky is protected sex with a WG, given that a condom can break?
I'd imagine it's nowhere near as high as straight bareback sex for obvious reasons, but what is the risk? Is it negligible? Enough to warrant avoiding even protected sex on punts? I'm interested to see what other members feel about this, and to what extent they consider this a risk.

I'd like to just clarify for anyone not clear, in no way am I advocating bareback, or saying it's on a par in terms of risk with protected sex. What I'm saying is that since bareback is extremely risky, and protected sex has a risk of an element of bareback (due to potential condom breakages), how risky is protected sex?

Furthermore, how does OWO fit into this? The general consensus seems to be that bareback is horrendously risky, but people seem mostly happy to do OWO. Again, it's very difficult to find any set figures, so in the absence of that I'm curious to hear people's thoughts and precautions regarding their risks with OWO.

How many of you have had a condom break with a WG? How many of you give or receive OWO? How do you consider the various risks involved in punting and what precautions do you take? Do you have any figures to back these up or what do you base it on?


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Offline dilettante

I think that in a nutshell you stand a much higher chance of getting whatever nasties are going around like gonorrhoea, HPV, herpes etc, doing bb - these can be cured.

Also HIV of course - but the incidence here is still very very low and you're far more likely to be killed oin your daily commute to work than pick up HIV via bb sex.

Offline smiths

Curious to hear everyone's thoughts and practices regarding how they protect themselves when punting.

I've had at least two occasions in my punting career where the condom has split, so that in effect, although briefly and without either of our knowledge or intent, I've effectively been bareback with a WG. Both times I've been to the GUM clinic straight afterwards, avoided any sexual contact in the interim, and followed this up with another GUM visit in 3 months, and thankfully been found clear every time.

The experience has however, scared the shit out of me. Once can be a fluke, twice and it's a trend. It's difficult to find any statistics on transmission rates for STIs under various circumstances, so it's hard to evaluate the real risk here.

The majority of us would agree, even in the absence of any solid figures, that bareback is extremely risky, based on common sense alone. I've been thinking lately though, that if a condom breaks during sex with a WG, in effect what happens is you have basically gone bareback, albeit briefly (unless you were able to pull out right before the condom broke via some sort of psychic intuition, there would have to have been some contact between genitals). What does the chance of a condom breaking, plus the chance of catching something from that exposure, translate into regarding your risks of an STI from protected sex with a WG? I.e. how risky is protected sex with a WG, given that a condom can break?
I'd imagine it's nowhere near as high as straight bareback sex for obvious reasons, but what is the risk? Is it negligible? Enough to warrant avoiding even protected sex on punts? I'm interested to see what other members feel about this, and to what extent they consider this a risk.

I'd like to just clarify for anyone not clear, in no way am I advocating bareback, or saying it's on a par in terms of risk with protected sex. What I'm saying is that since bareback is extremely risky, and protected sex has a risk of an element of bareback (due to potential condom breakages), how risky is protected sex?

Furthermore, how does OWO fit into this? The general consensus seems to be that bareback is horrendously risky, but people seem mostly happy to do OWO. Again, it's very difficult to find any set figures, so in the absence of that I'm curious to hear people's thoughts and precautions regarding their risks with OWO.

How many of you have had a condom break with a WG? How many of you give or receive OWO? How do you consider the various risks involved in punting and what precautions do you take? Do you have any figures to back these up or what do you base it on?

I have had a condom break while shagging a WG and did what you did, went to the GUM. I was clear but of course it was a worry.

Its all very simple to me, i punt on a risk to reward basis, so for me OWO is essential to me as OW does zero for me, a wank is more fun. I wouldnt do BB outside a relationship and with a complete stranger. Furthermore i dont wish to meet such fucking idiot women either. Thats why i would rather see a WG advertising she offers BB so i know to avoid her, than punt with WGs only for them to offer BB to me saying "because i like you, i want you to fuck me BB", which has happened a few times over the years unfortunately leading to immediate deflation of my erection and leaving. I am not so stupid as to believe for a second i was the pnly punter such a WG has offered the same to, and i wonder how many accepted the offer.

For me its basic common sense that a WG that offers BB to punters in her advertising is likely to punt with at least some that have punted with other WGs BB thus increasing the risks of infection. What those risks are in reality i dont know, i dont need to know, all i do need to know is i am more likely to get infected by doing BB than by using a condom. I also dont have a problem like some punters do using condoms, its the way it must be for me so thats it. I also go on my own experiences primarily and i havent yet knowingly been infected in 30 years of punting and never yet had a positive test at the GUM. I wont be getting complacent though, but i also dont panic like some do when its in the news about an increase in STIs or some infections are becoming more resistant to drugs. I put it in context, when i first starting punting we were all going to die of AIDS, that never happened obviously and since there have been various big stories about STIs on the increase.

IMO punting isnt for the squeamish, if your worry about infection is more than the fun you get from punting i dont see the point of continuing punting, i would of retired years ago if i felt like that.

Those WGs and punters that offer and accept BB are idiots, mentalists, already infected, wishing to infect others or just plain ignorant in my opinion. Their business of course as adults what they do but doesnt stop me giving my opinion as i see fit.  :hi:


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Offline Daffodil

There is a lot of misunderstanding about STIs and the risks involved. There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding regarding risk in general.

One poster here recently stated that a prossie definitely doesn't have HIV because he'd received OWO from her and then tested negative for HIV himself a few weeks later. Obviously total nonsense.

All we can do is read some legitimate sites regarding the issue and weigh up the risks and benefits to yourself as an individual. If you're single you can take more risk than if you're in a relationship.

There is no doubt that bareback is more enjoyable than protected (both for oral and penetration), but the risk is too great for me to take. I do protected intercourse and am more than happy with protected oral too.

I also presume that all prossies do bareback (with punters, with partners, with one-night stands) and act accordingly.

Appreciate your thoughts Smiths, and very interesting read.

Have come across a brief metastudy of HIV risks which I found interesting:
http://www.thebodypro.com/content/68672/putting-a-number-on-it-the-risk-from-an-exposure-t.html
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Risk of HIV Transmission From Different Types of Unprotected Sex in the absence of biological factors
Meta-Analysis (i.e. single average from combining studies)

Receptive anal
1.4%

Insertive anal
(presumably insufficient data as only 2 studies)

Receptive vaginal
0.08%

Insertive vaginal
0.04%
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Might seem very low, but as the article says, this is the average in absence of any other factors, which increase risk significantly. E.g. if a woman has another vaginal STI the risk of her getting HIV may be as high as 1% (which if you imagine she does bareback, fairly decent chance of her catching other things too so fairly likely this will be the case). 1% might still seem low, but with something that will prettymuch ruin your life and can't be cured like HIV, I'd say it's pretty significant. Also, this is JUST HIV, which is not so easy to catch compared to others, so your total risk of catching something bareback is pretty damn considerable.

Your thoughts on risk vs reward are definitely how I feel about it; just wanting to get a more informed idea of the actual risk. As I say it's hard to find proper statistics so best I can do is try and get as much input as I can from those with more experience.

Personally I'm actually not that fussed about sex. I like the intimacy of it, but as an act I'm not actually that bothered, and on a 30 minute punt it all seems too rushed for me anyway. In future I might just give it up altogether when punting; if I can't know the real risk, maybe better to assume it's reasonable to be on the safe side.

Offline Toshiba

I punted with an agency and twice the condom broke unknown to us both

Ive got a girlfriend and its scary when it happened but i went to a gum clinic and i was fine, however i am very wary of the risks and its limited me in getting a WG since, im just a bit scared now to take the risk as i feel i got away with it twice

I never consider owo a risk, but im niaive like that

Offline Daffodil

I punted with an agency and twice the condom broke unknown to us both

Ive got a girlfriend and its scary when it happened but i went to a gum clinic and i was fine, however i am very wary of the risks and its limited me in getting a WG since, im just a bit scared now to take the risk as i feel i got away with it twice

I never consider owo a risk, but im niaive like that

It is definitely a risk. A fair few guys on here have caught nasties from owo.

Offline JB1969

I am gearing up for my first punt this week and have been doing research and found that most NHS sexual health sites have said that Gonorhea, genital herpes and syphillis can be caught orally.  Would you say that is taken out of context, how safe is oral without? I dont know maybe i should just take the plunge.
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Offline dilettante

I guess it's a bit like fear of flying vs what you see air hostesses doing every day week in, week out and not batting an eyelid.

Offline smiths

I am gearing up for my first punt this week and have been doing research and found that most NHS sexual health sites have said that Gonorhea, genital herpes and syphillis can be caught orally.  Would you say that is taken out of context, how safe is oral without? I dont know maybe i should just take the plunge.

This is for you to decide of course, i havent caught anything in 30 years punting, most of that receiving OWO from WGs. Some punters have caught something though. Its an essential service for me so i wont be changing unless i see proof positive that the risk too far for my liking outweighs the reward of having my cock sucked without the use of a condom which is no fun to me.

Offline aerofan5

A few years ago a doctor in Mexico, who has wide experience of std's, advised use of an antibiotic prior to visiting a WG. Most are penicillin derivatives and the most popular appears to be Amoxicillin.

His comment was that as a bacteria enters a new host it has to assess the foreign DNA before it is able to reproduce, and at this point the antibiotic binds to it and breaks the 'shell' of the bacteria, preventing reproduction.

I take one pill per day for a week beforehand. Works for me as I love OWO, and seems to fix colds/sore throats too as I have not had one for many years.

Offline walter

Where do you get your antibiotics from aerofan5? I have enough of a job getting them when I'm actually ill and need them these days. I thought doctors were loathe to prescribe them for fear of the various viruses learning how to beat them.

Offline JB1969

This is for you to decide of course, i havent caught anything in 30 years punting, most of that receiving OWO from WGs. Some punters have caught something though. Its an essential service for me so i wont be changing unless i see proof positive that the risk too far for my liking outweighs the reward of having my cock sucked without the use of a condom which is no fun to me.

True, i guess i will go for a visit once i have decided and see how i find it.  Thanks for the advice
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Offline aerofan5

That seems to be the problem with the NHS these days - they state the 'long term view' which is bloody useless when you need fixing.

Best thing is get a prescription or a carton, scan it and print it, then when you go on holiday abroad check with pharmacists and say you want an emergency supply as you have left your stuff in UK. They won't all supply you but you will find one.

Other than a holiday, a cheap day trip via EasyJet to the former EE countries, with a picture of a carton downloaded from the net will do the job. Other folk on this site may be able to advise.

As a comment, I have found Amoxicillin to be totally free of any side effects.


Offline Daffodil

A few years ago a doctor in Mexico, who has wide experience of std's, advised use of an antibiotic prior to visiting a WG. Most are penicillin derivatives and the most popular appears to be Amoxicillin.

His comment was that as a bacteria enters a new host it has to assess the foreign DNA before it is able to reproduce, and at this point the antibiotic binds to it and breaks the 'shell' of the bacteria, preventing reproduction.

I take one pill per day for a week beforehand. Works for me as I love OWO, and seems to fix colds/sore throats too as I have not had one for many years.

This is really stupid advice. Based on what? A doctor in Mexico?  :dash:

Penicillins are one of maybe ten different types of antibiotic. Each antibiotic has different effectiveness against a specific bug. Penicillins (of which amoxicillin is one) aren't even used to treat gonorrhoea (anymore) or chlamydia. And they have no effect at all against viruses (herpes, HIV, hepatitis, genital warts). Their use does however increase the resistance of bacteria, both on an individual level and for the community at large.

You haven't caught anything simply because it's rare to catch an STI from owo, not because you are incorrectly self-medicating.

Offline haystacks79

That seems to be the problem with the NHS these days - they state the 'long term view' which is bloody useless when you need fixing.

I'd prefer to take their "long-term view" and have some effective anti-biotics in the future, rather than follow the complete rubbish you've posted above.

Offline smiths

This is really stupid advice. Based on what? A doctor in Mexico?  :dash:

Penicillins are one of maybe ten different types of antibiotic. Each antibiotic has different effectiveness against a specific bug. Penicillins (of which amoxicillin is one) aren't even used to treat gonorrhoea (anymore) or chlamydia. And they have no effect at all against viruses (herpes, HIV, hepatitis, genital warts). Their use does however increase the resistance of bacteria, both on an individual level and for the community at large.

You haven't caught anything simply because it's rare to catch an STI from owo, not because you are incorrectly self-medicating.

Spot on. If this was a universally proved and accepted medical fact ALL Doctors and GUMs would be telling everyone so. As they arent it isnt, its just one Doctors opinion which this poster has found to be helpful. It doesnt in anyway mean others will find it helpful, and my advice to all is seek qualified medical advice rather than just taking the advice off any poster on here as regards this matter. :hi:

Offline Joe Blob

A few years ago a doctor in Mexico, who has wide experience of std's, advised use of an antibiotic prior to visiting a WG. Most are penicillin derivatives and the most popular appears to be Amoxicillin.

His comment was that as a bacteria enters a new host it has to assess the foreign DNA before it is able to reproduce, and at this point the antibiotic binds to it and breaks the 'shell' of the bacteria, preventing reproduction.

I take one pill per day for a week beforehand. Works for me as I love OWO, and seems to fix colds/sore throats too as I have not had one for many years.
I'm glad l'm not the only one to think that advice was a load of cojones. If you don't want to belive Daffodil, Haystacks or me, fair enough, but at least get qualified medical advice from someone in the UK

Offline smiths

I'm glad l'm not the only one to think that advice was a load of cojones. If you don't want to belive Daffodil, Haystacks or me, fair enough, but at least get qualified medical advice from someone in the UK

Add me to the list who think it is terrible advice and advise getting qualified medical advice over here in the UK.

Offline Joe Blob

Add me to the list who think it is terrible advice and advise getting qualified medical advice over here in the UK.
I would have, it just took me so long to compose the post on my phone, l didn't see you'd posted in the meantime

Offline smiths

I would have, it just took me so long to compose the post on my phone, l didn't see you'd posted in the meantime

Cheers Joe. :hi:

Offline carlisle78


I take one pill per day for a week beforehand. Works for me as I love OWO, and seems to fix colds/sore throats too as I have not had one for many years.

A cold is a virus - and therefore antibiotics will have no effect on it at all. One of the reasons we have bacteria growing resistant to anti-biotic is because Doctors accept their patients pleas for anti-biotics to treat colds and flu.
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Offline baltar

Never had a condom break, but I have had it fall off. The first time neither of us noticed, the second time, it came off as I was pulling out (vacuum suction vagina)
« Last Edit: November 03, 2013, 07:54:50 PM by baltar »

Offline aerofan5

Well, I expected a few comments so:

1. I'm pretty sure that Mexican doctors know at least as much about std's as American or UK doctors, if not more;

2. Taking Penicillin based drugs to cure a condition is totally different to preventing one;

3. In the experience of many people I have spoken to, American medics treat people not to cure them, but to have them returning as clients. UK doctors seem to treat at the lowest possible cost rather then via the best method;

4. But you pays your money and you takes your choice, and if this all worries you, keep to the hand shandy.

Offline BristolP

A few years ago a doctor in Mexico, who has wide experience of std's, advised use of an antibiotic prior to visiting a WG. Most are penicillin derivatives and the most popular appears to be Amoxicillin.

His comment was that as a bacteria enters a new host it has to assess the foreign DNA before it is able to reproduce, and at this point the antibiotic binds to it and breaks the 'shell' of the bacteria, preventing reproduction.

I take one pill per day for a week beforehand. Works for me as I love OWO, and seems to fix colds/sore throats too as I have not had one for many years.

It’s viruses that access DNA, Antibiotics have no effects on viruses. Where did this Mexican Doctor buy his qualifications?


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