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Author Topic: Is this cliche dying?  (Read 2399 times)

Offline Lolitalove

It's often said that "only desperadoes who can't pull sleep with prostitutes". However nearly all clients I've seen could easily pull. Some are married/in relationships but a couple are single guys who enjoy punting with no drama and "paying for her to leave".

For me I find that cliche to be untrue and I'm sure all those who punt and escort do too but I was wondering if folk who aren't in this 'secret society' still believe only the desperate punt?

Offline Ali Katt

It's often said that "only desperadoes who can't pull sleep with prostitutes". However nearly all clients I've seen could easily pull. Some are married/in relationships but a couple are single guys who enjoy punting with no drama and "paying for her to leave".

For me I find that cliche to be untrue and I'm sure all those who punt and escort do too but I was wondering if folk who aren't in this 'secret society' still believe only the desperate punt?
Have a look at the posts on mumsnet or a similar site were the men are thought of as perverts and weirdos. TBH I think paid sex might be becoming more socially accepted, but whilst monogamy and marriage are still mainstream, the stereotypes won't go away - the stereotypes of prostitutes hanging around on street corners, chain smoking are still what most people think of when the word is mentioned. Likewise a punter is often thought of as a dirty old man. We all know it's bullshit, but other people don't. The fact is most days I could have sex with a woman that looks like a model within 30 minutes is empowering.

Offline wristjob

Well I can't pull, but 75% of that is never really getting an opportunity to meet likely women and 24% is CBA, just not so keen to inherit anybody's drama.

I think the cliche will be there for a while cos it suits to be there. Cock measuring thing in much the same way as it's manly to drink stupid amounts of alcohol and behave like a tit.

Personally I'd guess 90% of men have punted at least once - but they still probably see themselves as not the stereotype and might look down on others.

It's often said that "only desperadoes who can't pull sleep with prostitutes". However nearly all clients I've seen could easily pull. Some are married/in relationships but a couple are single guys who enjoy punting with no drama and "paying for her to leave".

For me I find that cliche to be untrue and I'm sure all those who punt and escort do too but I was wondering if folk who aren't in this 'secret society' still believe only the desperate punt?

To answer your question, I think many still believe it. If I may be excused a little immodesty here, I'm well north of 50 but know I can still pull. And I'm living with someone. And run a demanding business. So the odd, ultra-discreet punt works out very well for me.

I don't know this for a fact, but I suspect a great many women as well as men in their 40s and beyond are quite OK at accepting that this sort of thing goes on, as they understand increasing complexity and demands in your life as you get older. If I admitted it to friends and colleagues, I think the older ones would be far less shocked. Maybe a little baffled, but that's all.

yep def dying now, many guys have girlfriends or wives and punt as well

Offline Strawberry

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Many still believe this, when in truth it's quite the opposite.

Offline CBPaul

I'm sure the girls and boys within the 'secret society' know it to be untrue and there are many more open minded people out there who believe that our activities exist outside of the sordid world portrayed in the media.

Problem is there is never a realistic portrayal to show what the situation is for many of us. If I were to ask non-punters what their perception of prostitution is I'd guess many would say sex trafficking or crack addicts pounding the streets at night or mega expensive model types in 5* hotels afforded only by the rich and famous. Nothing in-between.   

I know a few people who are on the road for a living and actively avoid certain hotel chains due to certain groups operating out of them. They have a pretty polarised view of things.

In many different cultures it is an accepted part of life, it is just our british sensibilities and prejudices that promote this view.
As an example take a look at Silvio Berlusconi - Billionaire in his 70's who alledgedly invited WG's to parties and obviously enjoyed himself. French footballers. Half of Washington DC lawmakers are cosy with discreet agencies in the area (and don't tell me they don't also have personal assistants around who are a lot younger than themselves). In Asian culture it is an accepted part of life and business.
In the Uk and wider anglo cultures we have a stereotypical view of punting which doesn't exist elsewhere.

There's still the odd person here who buys into the idea that punters are all losers:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=18443.msg286317#msg286317

As has already been said, it's a very pervasive view; very easy for the likes of Harman etc to get on the soapbox and portray punters as losers, but how many punters would be willing to take a public stand and make the opposite case? Not bloody many I imagine!

I think a lot of women don't like the idea of men being able to have a bit more freedom, rather than being dependent on them for sex; otherwise why would they care? If they really believed all punters were ugly, undesirable losers anyway, why would they give a shit who they're going to for sex since surely they as women don't want these men anyway?

Ironically the way the media is so keen to hunt down and expose punters helps us in a way; the fact that the likes of Tiger Woods have been shown to be punters surely provides actual evidence to discredit the baseless idea that we're all ugly losers. I think as I mentioned above, it's not so much that they really genuinely think all punters are losers, more that it just fits in more happily with their pre-existing world view.

The truth of the matter is that "pulling" is hard work. Conversation designed to seduce, in some cases researching the likes and dislikes of the woman (or man) you want to pull, the reality of often bad or indifferent civilian sex, and then the whole headache of disengaging when you discover (as is often the case) that the two of you find one another deeply irritating, with the other half of this unhappy temporary pairing sometimes turning out to be a real cling-on (or even Klingon). A phone call to a trusted and reliable WG is, for many of us, a much better bet, and often enough cheaper in terms of money, energy and time. Not only that but I've found that I've really got to like some (though not all) of the WGs I've got to know as NSA acquaintances, and our meetings to be really enjoyable over and above the sex. I've done the whole "pulling" thing in the past and I found that it just wore me out most of the time; physically, mentally and sometimes emotionally. If someone's intent on getting into a serious relationship with someone they've decided would make a good partner and have properly thought it through, that's altogether another thing and I wouldn't presume to tell others the pros and cons of finding someone for their particular situation who might turn out to be a soul mate. (Yes, it does happen to some people.) But just "pulling" to get your end away, as many do, that's too much headache for me. I'd rather just hand over the spondulis for my monkey loving and be done.

Offline dilettante

Yes Jo, and you've got control then too, that's got to be an important part of it.  People have observed in that past that there's nothing worse than the sight of a bloke who spends the whole w/e with his wife and kids in a strop because she didn't want it that weekend.  Maybe the wives want "control" too because they must be aware they have competition from women wanting affairs with their partner as well as WGs, but the only ones they stand a chance of "controlling" are the WGs!

The only thing I would see as bad is if women are forced to have sex with older men to make ends meet because men of their own age can't get jobs or afford houses so marriage and families are out of the question.  I wouldn't put up with that if I were their age, but with modern-day "baby boomers" and their wealth there must be at least an element of truth in it, will today's young people be as well-off when they retire, I doubt it.

Offline Ali Katt

TBH while pulling certainly can be hard work, so can punting. Whose had a booking get cancelled last minute? or the 20 year old hottie turns out to be someone who could pass for her mum. I suppose those things could happen with online dating though. I think after punting I no longer get hung on sex. When I was in my late teens\early 20s I used to go out on the pull, now I don't care I would rather have a good time and anything else is a bonus.

Offline Persie

I have punted when I was single, in a relationship and had casual fuck buddies.

I have a friend who is (or was) a brass and she was saying that a lot of her clients come for 'emotional' connection and some of them probably don't or can't get a shag. She was a 'therapist'  :lol: I did think 'delusions' of grandeur but actually if its true, I think there would be a loss for some if the service was not provided

I am there for the pure unadulterated filth and the fact that I don't have to jump through any hoops, spend an evening listening to bollox so I can oil a non-WG (whether my missues or fuck buddy) to get a shag that might lack the filth I sometimes need

The funny thing was that when I was single, my urge to bang a brass was normally at work. I would be in some business meeting talking irrelevance about some irrelevance to do with marketing or our balance sheet and my mind would time-warp into some depraved fantasy about roughly throat fucking a brass, her rimming me or watersports, resulting in an immediate scan of AW for a quick-as-a-flash local appointment.

We had a lot of meetings in that organisation and I think I would have strugged without the immediate gratification of AW. I think in some ways it helped me cope with the monotomy and stress of working in an office. Banging a brass was preferable to banging out my line manager. So I guess my brass pal was right in that it is a form of therapy  :cool:

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Offline Kriss

Sex with a prostitute - or any kind of paid for sex - is an experience that is quite different to sex in a relationship. Anyway, I don't sleep with prostitutes, I fuck them.  :cool:

Offline Persie

Sex with a prostitute - or any kind of paid for sex - is an experience that is quite different to sex in a relationship. Anyway, I don't sleep with prostitutes, I fuck them.  :cool:

Good lad!
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As a disabled bloke who was widowed at the age of 57, I knew my chances of pulling were minimal.

However what I would want to say is that seeing WGs over the last 9 years or so has increased my self-confidence with "civvies". :yahoo:

Offline dawsonuk

Sex with a prostitute - or any kind of paid for sex - is an experience that is quite different to sex in a relationship. Anyway, I don't sleep with prostitutes, I fuck them.  :cool:

Well said that man. I'm not there for the conversation.


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