I love SAAFE

[theotherside]

As it is I learn quite a lot from reading saafe. The very low regard most of the providers have for their clients; how incredibly stupid some of them are; and how incredibly stupid some of the punters are. The how not to book an escort thread is worth reading all on it's own. It also helps one appreciate the hazards they face and the time wasting that goes on. I think what punters face is overall much worse, and we get ripped off far more, but it does help to understand why so many providers get so awkward and shitty.

The strange thing about forums (especially British ones) is that I would say it is 25% positive and 75% monay whingy posts. You can see this both through out saafe and UK Punting.

As a WG you could read this forum and assume that most guys actually hate prossies and vice versa on the saafe forum.

As far as risk is concerned I dont think one side risks more than the other. Its a risky game either way with WG's in London being 12x more likely to be murdered then other members of the public. (External Link/Members Only)

I have suggested a few of my clients join this site so they can protect themselves and when I meet a client who is a little wet behind the ears about punting I try and educate them as much as I can (usually at the end of the booking) and suggest they come here. I just see it as genuine punters and genuine WGs should work together to weed out the wrong uns

[Thepacifist]

I met 1 girl from SAAFE and had a great time so they're not all bad. I haven't read the site for a while, mainly i just stay on UKP. I agree the how not to book an escort thread is a classic. I'd say the most intelligent girls are the ones from there who post on here. We know who they are. Not always the case because the girl i met was lovely but as far as i'm aware she doesn't post on here.

[lancashireman12345]

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Anyone else seen the posts she's been making on that forum today regarding OWO? and in general the posts she does?

I swear down if it was up to her ALL girls would charge £150/hour, no OWO whatsoever therefore no CIM, definitely no anal and if you even thought about cancelling due to a genuine emergency or you didn't like the prossie then she'd have you listed on a national database from which you would never in your life be able to see another girl again.

[Persie]

Anyone else seen the posts she's been making on that forum today regarding OWO? and in general the posts she does?

I swear down if it was up to her ALL girls would charge £150/hour, no OWO whatsoever therefore no CIM, definitely no anal and if you even thought about cancelling due to a genuine emergency or you didn't like the prossie then she'd have you listed on a national database from which you would never in your life be able to see another girl again.

I bet her mother's really proud 

[Trenlover]

tbh I wouldnt want to see any girl from SAAFE, they are likely to be so far up themselves.

the forum confirms my suspicion that the girls want to do as little as possible, and be as distanced as possible.

This is also why I think if you do find a WG who you click with and get a good service with you should definitely support her and become a regular.

[Persie]

I have just read the boards of SAAFE - have to say rather dull

They all sound like they are at a coffee morning.....I also can't believe they moan publicly about their jobs and punters.  A punter has to do a real day's work to be able to punt and they are earning more than they would doing a civvie a job.

[sparky13]

Personally I've been reading Saafe for a couple of years. Sometimes I do have "motorway accident" syndrome 

There are definitely some embittered old hags on there and the likes of Pink Princess should have a word with herself...however it's fair to say there are a few decent ones out there as well (eg those who told MK to shut the fuck up).

Like someone else said, it's fascinating to see things from the other side...

[dumpster123]

Personally I've been reading Saafe for a couple of years. Sometimes I do have "motorway accident" syndrome 

There are definitely some embittered old hags on there and the likes of Pink Princess should have a word with herself...however it's fair to say there are a few decent ones out there as well (eg those who told MK to shut the fuck up).

Like someone else said, it's fascinating to see things from the other side...

Why should someone with over 250 positive feedbacks and loads of glowing field reports have a word with herself? The non-nude pics and services she offers work for her so I don't see any reason why she should change anything. As far as I can see she's doing alright.

She should be allowed to say whatever she likes on saafe just as much as you lot get to say the mean spirited, hateful load of old crap you say on here.

You all seem to be talking with great authority about someone you've never even met. I've seen her a number of times now and enjoyed every visit and I'll be seeing her again in the new year.

[Daffodil]

blah blah blah

Fluffy shit 

[Ali Katt]

She should be allowed to say whatever she likes on saafe just as much as you lot get to say the mean spirited, hateful load of old crap you say on here.

You all seem to be talking with great authority about someone you've never even met. I've seen her a number of times now and enjoyed every visit and I'll be seeing her again in the new year.

There's a difference between being a buyer and a seller. If I was a prossie I would think twice before biting the hand that feeds. And from her comments she does come across as a bitter hag, maybe it's not the case in real life, but I would sooner haver a lobotomy than see her.

[dumpster123]

Fluffy shit 

Fluffy Shit??.......that's pretty good, coming from someone called Daffodil 

[dumpster123]

There's a difference between being a buyer and a seller. If I was a prossie I would think twice before biting the hand that feeds. And from her comments she does come across as a bitter hag, maybe it's not the case in real life, but I would sooner haver a lobotomy than see her.

I've read some of the stuff she writes on saafe, she only complains to the guys that are dicks. I've never heard her say anything about the good punters.

[theotherside]

when us women get together we have a good moan. Many of us are isolated and have no one to talk to. Saafe is a place where us girls can be honest and frank to each other. If it pisses you off what is being said their then stop reading it. I have never been in a job where people havn't bitched about the customers/clients ever. You are doing nothing but annoying yourself by going on there and reading it! I also say the same thing to the girls that bitch about this board. Basically the board isn't to keep punters happy it's to support escorts.

[RandyF]

when us women get together we have a good moan. Many of us are isolated and have no one to talk to. Saafe is a place where us girls can be honest and frank to each other. If it pisses you off what is being said their then stop reading it. I have never been in a job where people havn't bitched about the customers/clients ever. You are doing nothing but annoying yourself by going on there and reading it! I also say the same thing to the girls that bitch about this board. Basically the board isn't to keep punters happy it's to support escorts.

Dosen't piss me off reading what some prossies REALLY think of us paying customers.  Opens my eyes!

I think all punters should at least skim over it, and give themselves a wake-up call 

[dumpster123]

Dosen't piss me off reading what some prossies REALLY think of us paying customers.  Opens my eyes!

I think all punters should at least skim over it, and give themselves a wake-up call 

It doesn't piss me off either RandyF although you're right it can be a bit of a wake up call. I just don't let myself get insecure about it.....like others on here do

[Persie]

Dosen't piss me off reading what some prossies REALLY think of us paying customers.  Opens my eyes!

I think all punters should at least skim over it, and give themselves a wake-up call 

It is actually quite interesting to read and see what the Prossies discuss

[lancashireman12345]

Yes I agree - I only read it just to see what sh!t they come out with next.

This site offers a balanced view on escorts - you have positives and negative reports on them. All you see on that site is them CONSTANTLY bitching about punters and never ever talking about the good things - at least it can be said this site talks about the bad AND the good.

[Jamiee92]

I'm surprised pink princess hasn't come on here yet to try and lay down the law 

Personally when I read it its the admin of saafe that comes across as a miserable sod, Amy... All she ever does is whine about clients, whine about the other girls not searching topics instead of creating them...whine whine whine bloody whine  she is a typical woman I guess 

The reason why they have a go at each other for lowering prices is it drives down the price for the whole market

[dumpster123]

I'm surprised pink princess hasn't come on here yet to try and lay down the law 

Personally when I read it its the admin of saafe that comes across as a miserable sod, Amy... All she ever does is whine about clients, whine about the other girls not searching topics instead of creating them...whine whine whine bloody whine  she is a typical woman I guess 

The reason why they have a go at each other for lowering prices is it drives down the price for the whole market

Pink Princess WAS a member of this forum. She joined to defend herself about things that we're being said about her a while back and was fairly quickly banned. I've seen it happen before.

Last week another member was calling a girl a "lying cow" and threatening to post her full address publicly on this forum. She joined specifically to defend herself. She never broke any forum rules. Never used any derogatory language. Never used any threatening language.

She got banned from the forum after only 4 posts. The guy threatening her and calling her names is still on here though.

[finn5555]

Pink Princess WAS a member of this forum. She joined to defend herself about things that we're being said about her a while back and was fairly quickly banned. I've seen it happen before. Last week a member was calling a girl a "lying cow" and here threatening to post her address publicly on this forum. She joined specifically to defend herself. She never broke any forum rules. Never used any derogatory language. Never used any threatening language.

She got banned from the forum after only 4 posts. The guys still on here though.

She would have been banned for a reason  if pro$$ies come on here and behave they survive, this forum is for punters not pro$$ies they should stick to SAAFE if they don't like it 

[MWGReturns]

I am a WG in London and recently started a topic about this very subject before I was swiftly banned! What the hell guys?? You are getting a woman's body (a very precious thing indeed) with no strings attached! Why the hell do we have to tolerate bad breath? Why can't teeth just be brushed and flossed before you arrive? And why do we have to have guys slobbering in our mouths?

In order for you to get the best out of a girl, it has to be mutually enjoyable! Would any of you like to kiss someone whos breath was stinking to high heaven?

Bless that WG that she was so diplomatic and didn't come right out and say 'you're a bad kisser, you have bad breath' I think she's a very clever WG indeed!

[finn5555]

I am a WG in London and recently started a topic about this very subject before I was swiftly banned! What the hell guys?? You are getting a woman's body (a very precious thing indeed) with no strings attached! Why the hell do we have to tolerate bad breath? Why can't teeth just be brushed and flossed before you arrive? And why do we have to have guys slobbering in our mouths?

In order for you to get the best out of a girl, it has to be mutually enjoyable! Would any of you like to kiss someone whos breath was stinking to high heaven?

Bless that WG that she was so diplomatic and didn't come right out and say 'you're a bad kisser, you have bad breath' I think she's a very clever WG indeed!

Agree no excuse for poor hygiene but your a pro$$ie selling your arse therefore you will get all types of punters. Naturally if you don't want to see them then it's your choice 

[potato]

Why can't teeth just be brushed and flossed before you arrive?

Because if you read the medical evidence then you would know that brushing and flossing teeth is the worst thing you can do just before a meet. Brushing and flossing scratches gums and causes tiny lesions/bleeding so effectively you would be kissing a potential open wound.  Use mouth wash beforehand naturally but never brush your teeth within the few hours before a meet.

[MWGReturns]

Oh please Ellwood! Ok, maybe not immediately before, the night before maybe?

If you're going to treat a WG like someone you've paid money too and therefore should try and get the most out of, this will not make for the nicest possible experience.

But if you treat the WG like the precious human being that she is, with lots of care and respect, most likely she will bend over backwards to ensure you have the best experience possible. Maintaining good hygiene is part of that respect!

[Persie]

I am a WG in London and recently started a topic about this very subject before I was swiftly banned! What the hell guys?? You are getting a woman's body (a very precious thing indeed) with no strings attached! Why the hell do we have to tolerate bad breath? Why can't teeth just be brushed and flossed before you arrive? And why do we have to have guys slobbering in our mouths?

In order for you to get the best out of a girl, it has to be mutually enjoyable! Would any of you like to kiss someone whos breath was stinking to high heaven?

Bless that WG that she was so diplomatic and didn't come right out and say 'you're a bad kisser, you have bad breath' I think she's a very clever WG indeed!

THere are strings attached - normally a sum of money. No-one is suggesting that WG should have to put up with poor hygiene and if thats the problem with a punter, I am sure most would freshen up with a polite request.

What most guys get annoyed about are:

- poor attitude
- poor service
- advertising something that is not on offer

[SirPhilipXX]

Because if you read the medical evidence then you would know that brushing and flossing teeth is the worst thing you can do just before a meet. Brushing and flossing scratches gums and causes tiny lesions/bleeding so effectively you would be kissing a potential open wound.  Use mouth wash beforehand naturally but never brush your teeth within the few hours before a meet.

Good point, but then all physical contact with a stranger involves some element of health risk,; we can only minimise the risk, not eliminate it. I agree, use mouth wash: I keep a bottle of Listerine in the car for this purpose.

I find it depressing how many contributors to this thread seem to think that just because they are paying for sex, the WG has no right to expect them to turn up freshly showered and with fresh breath. It is basic good manners, isn't it?
I use a private dentist, and I would not dream of turning up at her surgery with foul smelling breath.

[dandaley]

Good point, but then all physical contact with a stranger involves some element of health risk,; we can only minimise the risk, not eliminate it. I agree, use mouth wash: I keep a bottle of Listerine in the car for this purpose.

I find it depressing how many contributors to this thread seem to think that just because they are paying for sex, the WG has no right to expect them to turn up freshly showered and with fresh breath. It is basic good manners, isn't it?
I use a private dentist, and I would not dream of turning up at her surgery with foul smelling breath.

agree 100%  no excuse for bad hygiene or bad breath, basic respect.

[NIK]

Oh please Ellwood! Ok, maybe not immediately before, the night before maybe?

If you're going to treat a WG like someone you've paid money too and therefore should try and get the most out of, this will not make for the nicest possible experience.

But if you treat the WG like the precious human being that she is, with lots of care and respect, most likely she will bend over backwards to ensure you have the best experience possible. Maintaining good hygiene is part of that respect!

MWG leaves again. 

[dumpster123]

MWG leaves again. 

Why was she banned?

[Persie]

when us women get together we have a good moan. Many of us are isolated and have no one to talk to. Saafe is a place where us girls can be honest and frank to each other. If it pisses you off what is being said their then stop reading it. I have never been in a job where people havn't bitched about the customers/clients ever. You are doing nothing but annoying yourself by going on there and reading it! I also say the same thing to the girls that bitch about this board. Basically the board isn't to keep punters happy it's to support escorts.

I think what you have said is really daft. One the one hand, you treat this as a business and a business relationship and on the other hand, you want us to accept that as women and 'bitch and moan'. Absolutely every business always has issues with clients.

But no sensible business person would moan about their clients in public - its just naive

[dumpster123]

I think what you have said is really daft.

There's no point in talking to her she's been banned.

Do you think what she said was daft enough to get banned?

[NIK]

Previously banned member.

[Jimmyredcab]

Do you think what she said was daft enough to get banned?

I think we can survive without her -------------------- just worry about yourself, not others.   

[dj3k]

I think what you have said is really daft. One the one hand, you treat this as a business and a business relationship and on the other hand, you want us to accept that as women and 'bitch and moan'. Absolutely every business always has issues with clients.

But no sensible business person would moan about their clients in public - its just naive

I can understand why women who escort can feel isolated and wanting to let off stream. But escorting and punting is not for the sensitive type, and I do feel that now, with an increase in financial problems, many women, be it students or professionals turn to prostitution for that extra source of income, with out realising the reality of it.  Hence the need to complain.

It can be brutal on both sides, women are continually putting themselves at risk from assault or treated roughly, BUT also us punters take risks each time we see a new women, pimps, crazy women - I've had my share of that, but for me it's the thrill of the first time with someone who I usually can't get keeps me going.

[ParisB]

I think what you have said is really daft. One the one hand, you treat this as a business and a business relationship and on the other hand, you want us to accept that as women and 'bitch and moan'. Absolutely every business always has issues with clients.

But no sensible business person would moan about their clients in public - its just naive

Well Gerald Ratner did and look what happened to him 

[OldAdmin]

There's no point in talking to her she's been banned.

Do you think what she said was daft enough to get banned?

NIK banned her because she's a previously banned member plus has an attitude towards punters that isn't compatible with this site's ethos, which should be plainly obvious.
Now from your past dozen posts it's obvious that you suffer from white knight syndrome and have issues with the way this site is, so you can join her on the banned list as well.

[Trenlover]

I assume there is nothing stopping punters from joining that forum? There are some threads that I would like to respond to.

[Jimmyredcab]

I assume there is nothing stopping punters from joining that forum? There are some threads that I would like to respond to.

I don't think punters are made welcome ----------------------- I know I wouldn't be welcome that's for sure.   

[NIK]

I don't think punters are made welcome ----------------------- I know I wouldn't be welcome that's for sure.   

I would! 

[dj3k]

Looking at that site, and the advise they give the women, seriously considering setting up a service that offers wg / escort training so newbie WG can give a good punt.

[Trenlover]

Looking at that site, and the advise they give the women, seriously considering setting up a service that offers wg / escort training so newbie WG can give a good punt.

aye agree, the best place to get "advice" from is the punter.

[dj3k]

aye agree, the best place to get "advice" from is the punter.

All done, adjusted my AW profile to offering escort training services. £50 an hour - quality top class training service - special introductory price.

Let's see if I get any sales 

[theotherside]

aye agree, the best place to get "advice" from is the punter.

Actually I think its a mixture of both and being careful who you actually take your advice from. I don't think a punter would have very good advice on safety, vetting clients, advertising and the like.

This forum has been a great resource for me in other ways. DFK for example. I didn't realise that it was such a big deal and although its not my style I properly adapt to the clients kissing technique. Looking at the bad reviews and the good reviews can be helpful. I do choose what threads I look at carefully as I am sure there is some stuff written here that will really offend my feminists ways but as stephen fry says
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[Jimmyredcab]

Actually I think its a mixture of both and being careful who you actually take your advice from. I don't think a punter would have very good advice on safety, vetting clients, advertising and the like.

Prostitution is a dangerous occupation, there is only so much you can do regarding safety and vetting clients, unless you have a 16 stone minder in the next room you will always be at risk.

Most sensible punters use unregistered SIM cards in their phone so forget about that element of security.

Some girls want to see the punter first (from a window) ---------- also totally useless, a rapist or robber will probably look like a very normal guy.

[Cornish sub]

I can understand why women who escort can feel isolated and wanting to let off stream.

I think they call that squirting 

[Dani]

The thing is Saafe was I think and as far as I am aware originally set up to give advice on certain topics to do with the job to new and maybe naïve prossies. As in safety tips, how to spot a timewaster, tips on the legalities, and was there to help those who did not know what to do safety wise to try and stop so many prossies from coming to harm and to work in a safe (as safe as one can be in this job) environment.  The forum was added on and again for the same reason but it has now become in some threads a place to just whinge and moan, which should be kept to their own blogs, as these threads tend to take away from the seriousness of the site.
A couple of years ago it was more of a site where people asked questions and needed advice and was not a place to just moan about clients all the time.  It was for good advice and also the dangerous punter thread which thankfully doesn't have too much crap in it as the timewasters have their own section now.  I don't see the point of it as some report every timewaster they get and don't realise that section is for persistant time wasters not just a one off no show.

The idea of the forum is good but every forum is only as good as those that post on it and sometimes it does attract those who just want to constantly whinge about clients and how much they hate doing this or that, instead of just not doing it in the first place.

I don't agree that punters on there would help as its main intention is for advice for newer girls who don't have any way of finding out the aspects they need to know. Having men on there who may well give advice that could get a girl hurt or worse (not all men have the girls best interest at heart and some are just plain nasty and they are the ones that would rush to be members) or to learn all the safety tips given out (so they can by pass them) would not be the safest option.

I don't think it was set up to be a general chat forum and Amy does her best to keep idol chit chat off the forum to try and keep it as close to an advice forum as she can

[Ali Katt]

Good points. I would disagree that girls should whinge on their blogs. If every blog post is "another timewaster" - I won't bother seeing her, no matter how much I fancy her, as she will probably be a moody bastard in real life, that's my perception.

It's a topic in itself, but some so-classed timewasters choose to walk due to not liking the goods on offer. When pictures are heavily airbrushed, ages have 10 years knocked off or are fake - is there any wonder?

[AnthG]

I don't agree that punters on there would help as its main intention is for advice for newer girls who don't have any way of finding out the aspects they need to know. Having men on there who may well give advice that could get a girl hurt or worse (not all men have the girls best interest at heart and some are just plain nasty and they are the ones that would rush to be members) or to learn all the safety tips given out (so they can by pass them) would not be the safest option.

What Saafe needs in my opinion is a trust button. So people found to be giving good advice get a +5. And those giving poor advice get a -5 against their name. You could also set it so the mods have a plus 50 button and negative 50 button so their have more power to set who is trusted or not.

And thus girls can then see and use the scores against someones name to decide whether to accept what advice given is good advice or not.

The problem is at the moment a lot of the times the advice given is bad and you often read the thread saying to yourself I bet that OP is going to accept that one.

[Dani]

Anth I agree sometimes the advice is not good but that is going to be the same on any type of forum where lots of people have differing opinions especially if some of you are competing for work in the same area.
For instance girl A and girl B both have similar build and looks and offer the same services.  Girl A asks if she should lower her prices as she is not busy enough, Girl B is going to say no don't as it could affect her business.  Yet girl C who is not competing with either of them for one reason or another be it area, size, age or services is going to say lower them and see if it helps and if it does all is good but if you get too much work then slowly raise them up until you get just the right amount of clients but don't over price yourself.
Of course you will then get girl D and E screaming to not lower your prices as it will cause problems for everybody and we should all stick together and try to raise prices.
It will never change. Some people will always think we should all stick together and conform to what they want whilst others will have their own ideas of what is right. 
Advice is just that.  Advice and girls can choose to ignore it if they want to or if they think it is wrong. Then you get those that don't know what to do so go with the ones that scream the loudest.

Every forum is the same.  Look at how people tend to disagree on here over some topics.  We all have our own opinions and we normally think our opinion is the right one regardless of if it really is or not. 

[dilettante]

Latest from SAAFE - curvy_girly is discussing "Getting a restraining order" with a rapt audience of prossies "resting" in their online green room:

I have just had my life threatened over the phone, It was my ex ... He said if he ever saw me again he would gut me and snap my neck.

Then in the next sentence:

I also owe him 600 pound which I am thinking of writing off all together...

Thieving skank, what does she expect, pay the bloke what she owes him FFS!!!  Do these girls not have any idea of a social conscience or moral decency whatever, or is that just what the job does to them? (with apologies to Dani and all the other WG contributors we're lucky to have on UKP)