punting is dead. (the mugs game)

[grandaddybadman]

Punting is dead, I am currently in London but I've also  lived in many other other parts of the country and seen the same thing. 

If a girls looks really good in the face tits or ass. She is either gong to be a webcam model, a sugar baby, a prostitute that prices herself out or an "instagram model" that does all 3 of those things.

The webcam models look much better than the escorts. They pretend to escort but, only hook up with the guys they like on cam2cam and bullshit the others.

In 2018 you will have to be lucky to find a escort charging less than £150 per hour that is:

- good looking,
- consistent with good communication skills,
- that gives most or all the services or even just full sex.

What I have found is that if you find a girl with a great body, charges a good price like £100 per hour, she is either going to be new in the country or working in a brothel.
Then a month later she will get smart go independent travel around the country and charge £200 per hour.

If you like big asses and big tits or women who might be extremely gorgeous its too expensive now (£250 plus per hour). I could afford this price, but it is not worth it.

In my opinion if I am spending over £300 per month on punting its's better to get a girlfriend or just have a sex buddy.

I punt to have convenient no strings attached sex, and that is not worth £250 per hour especially if I DON'T know whether the girl will be that good looking.

I think punting is turning in to a mugs game, What are your thoughts?.

[claretandblue]

I agree with some of what you say,it does now seem that in london if you want a proper pse it will cost you at least 250ph and there are a limited number of providers,who in truth are in general not that great looking.

I have been punting regularly for about 5 yrs and am totally bored by vanilla gfe experiences so as such these days I am punting less.

There are thankfully a couple of semi retired/ex whores with extremely deep throats that I see now and then,bar that I rarely punt 

[Chorley]

I'd agree with all of the points made.
I've not had a proper punt for months due to all of the above. I'm simply not prepared to pay a large amount of money for what could be a variable service.
I don't know what the answer is, but it's bollocks, isn't it? 

[Charliehutton]

My thought, Daddy, is that you posted this while pissed. Nothing wrong with that, we've all done it. But maybe you could have a look when sober, and revise it a bit.

[daviemac]

Punting is dead, I am currently in London but I've also  lived in many other other parts of the country and seen the same thing. 

In 2018 you will have to be lucky to find a escort charging less than £150 per hour that is:

- good looking,
- consistent with good communication skills,
- that gives most or all the services or even just full sex.

What I have found is that if you find a girl with a great body, charges a good price like £100 per hour, she is either going to be new in the country or working in a brothel.
Then a month later she will get smart go independent travel around the country and charge £200 per hour.

I think punting is turning in to a mugs game, What are your thoughts?.

Move to the North East there's a plethora of top girls all at reasonable prices. (£110 / £120 ph)   

[OakTree]

I think punting is turning in to a mugs game, What are your thoughts?.

Punting has always been a mugs game. As for prices? You’ve been in London to long.

[maxxblue]

In 2018 you will have to be lucky to find a escort charging less than £150 per hour that is:

- good looking,
- consistent with good communication skills,
- that gives most or all the services or even just full sex.

If you look at the reviews section, clicking on the numerous 'positive' reviews will quickly contradict what you are saying. 

[Scarboroughdude]

Punting is far from dead Daddy, maybe your just past it ? Come up to Yorkshire and fill your boots 

[Colin McGoober]

Agree with some of those mentioned. Even though punting is a mugs game, getting a girlfriend is an even bigger mugs game.

[maxxblue]

Agree with some of those mentioned. Even though punting is a mugs game, getting a girlfriend is an even bigger mugs game.

How is punting a mugs game?

[Colin McGoober]

How is punting a mugs game?

You'd best ask Daddy that since he started this thread.

[grandaddybadman]

If you look at the reviews section, clicking on the numerous 'positive' reviews will quickly contradict what you are saying. 

Most of my punts i forget to review.

[daviemac]

You'd best ask Daddy that since he started this thread.

He said he thought punting was turning into a mugs game, not that it was. You said that it was a mugs game.   

[grandaddybadman]

Move to the North East there's a plethora of top girls all at reasonable prices. (£110 / £120 ph)   

I have noticed up north in general are better but its been years since I've been there. Some of my favourite punts with terri (ex cheshire incalls) and busty brooke blue was in manchester.

 

[grandaddybadman]

Punting has always been a mugs game. As for prices? You’ve been in London to long.

You might have a point.

[grandaddybadman]

Agree with some of those mentioned. Even though punting is a mugs game, getting a girlfriend is an even bigger mugs game.

A girlfriend is like a curse. 

[grandaddybadman]

I agree with some of what you say,it does now seem that in london if you want a proper pse it will cost you at least 250ph and there are a limited number of providers,who in truth are in general not that great looking.

I have been punting regularly for about 5 yrs and am totally bored by vanilla gfe experiences so as such these days I am punting less.

There are thankfully a couple of semi retired/ex whores with extremely deep throats that I see now and then,bar that I rarely punt 

That is not a bad set up.

[grandaddybadman]

Punting is far from dead Daddy, maybe your just past it ? Come up to Yorkshire and fill your boots 

Grandaddy still got it, bro. I do remember northern chicks being the best when i was up their several years ago.

[peter purves]

I am not sure I can agree with the factual side - even though I think some of it is true.  I can definitely agree with the sentiments behind this thread because I think I feel exactly the same way 

Though I would put the cause down to the laws of diminishing returns viz. the longer you've been in the punting game then it is harder to be satisfied. So the punters' successes in fact then turn to lead to his downfall, as opposed to it being some factor out there in the environment.. 

[Colin McGoober]

He said he thought punting was turning into a mugs game, not that it was. You said that it was a mugs game.   

So did OakTree. However with all the recent stuff happening and certain dodgy SP's around which many on the forum have talked about in many threads, it  might be looking that way in a sense.

[daviemac]

So did OakTree. However with all the recent stuff happening and certain dodgy SP's around which many on the forum have talked about in many threads, it  might be looking that way in a sense.

All I'll say is it's only a mugs game if you let it be or if you've lost interest but continue anyway. I punt regularly and I enjoy it, I don't see it as a waste of money, quite the opposite. Granted I don't take the chances with unknown entities that I used to and tend to stick to either the well reviewed or regulars, but as long as I walk away with no regrets having enjoyed myself I would not class myself as a mug.   

[Plan R]

I have to disagree... still love punting and get a major buzz out of it.
Fuck me - I even get a buzz out of the shaky legged drive there and the knock on the door
let alone the sex !

Enthusiasm possibly helped by being single, so nothing to feel 'guilty' about..
this status also means I only get to be naked with a girly about once a month 
 

[Jonestown]

We have had our expectations raised and been spolit by past influxes of fabulous Ex-soviet satellite and asia/thai girls, now we are back to the dregs of british and romanian hookers, with only a few poles, chinese and hungarians to liven things up. But overall things are still vastly inproved from the state of play during second half of the 20th Century.

[cotton]

I could afford £250 / hour but I'd never pay it cos I'd feel like I was being made a mug of. I don't need the girl to be that attractive , Im turned on just by being with a naked girly , the drive there and getting the pussy cheap. I think paying too much for pussy is a recipe for feeling like a mug.

[Hungarian Lover]

It might be a mugs game and that's debatable but that didn't stop me from having a great punt with my regular yesterday! Just wish I had more cash to spend on my punting.

[bearcat69]

I agree with a lot of the sentiment expressed in the OP. Especially the part about trying to find a decent punt at a reasonable price.

Although I look at it more as a lot of prossies like to treat punters like they are mugs, but that doesn't necessarily make all punters mugs.

I do think good punts can still be found at fair prices, but it's really just a case of the effort you want to put in..
I also think of it a bit just like, punting isn't compulsory, if somebody punts for a while, you don't have to carry on if you don't want to, and you can just go and do the GF/wife, or casual sex with civvies, or swinging type things. But if you want to you can always come back to it. Whores will always be there when/if your desire to punt comes back.

My rules on punting are simple really, I punt if I have the desire to do it, along with having enough spare money and opportunities. If I don't, then I don't. I also have a hard rule where I'd simply just never pay over what I think is a fair price for a shag (in the region of £2-2.33 per minute). I'm glad I don't live in London in that regard.

But I would definitely be lying if I where to say I haven't struggled to find a properly appealing punt option at a reasonable price in recent times. But I think what somebody else said about diminishing returns the longer you punt is very true.

[OakTree]

But I would definitely be lying if I where to say I haven't struggled to find a properly appealing punt option at a reasonable price in recent times. But I think what somebody else said about diminishing returns the longer you punt is very true.

I think that sums it up. You’ve only got to see anyone on here who is new to punting. They’re shagging almost anything with a pulse. As time goes by and the initial buzz off fucking seemingly endless women wears off a bit, a certain amount of refinement stars coming into play. You start to regret throwing large amounts of money at forgettable punts and start looking for something more worthwhile. VFM a service that you particularly want and looks that turn you on. You then gradually slide into trying to find “The punt” which in reality never exists. You end up trawling through AW and see nothing.

As for being a mugs game, by and large I think it is. I very much enjoy punting but it’s not like a hobby  say for instance golf or fishing. I pay women for sex to release pent up sexual urges to fuck sexy women. It’s a physically driven pastime. I know of no other activity where I’d regularly hand over a day’s wages for an hour of time with a complete stranger and if I could I’d do it more and more to the point of ridiculousness. In some ways being married is a blessing in this game as it keeps a safety valve there. If I was single without anyone to answer to I dread to think what I’d do. So for me, enjoyable as it might be, yes, it’s a mugs game.

[bearcat69]

You then gradually slide into trying to find “The punt” which in reality never exists. You end up trawling through AW and see nothing.

Can definitely relate to that.
Not proud of it, but I have at times literally looked through the profiles of every single girl available in the West Midlands (some 1401 profiles currently) trying to find some hidden amazing prossie only to be exasperated at what I find. Then I look at my primary HL, there's about 50 WGs on there, about two thirds I've already fucked. I think, well, it'd be enjoyable to fuck those ones again, but I just can't really be arsed, then I consider the ones I've not already seen, and one by one I rule them out or just think, well, some other time... Then the cycle starts all over again.

But no doubt it'd be a hell of a lot of fun to fuck all of those prossies one by one...

Bottom line though, is that this is a expensive hobby, especially these days. It can also be very addictive.. Something I would definitely say to some one thinking of getting into it, is make sure you can definitely afford it, consider it carefully, and then consider it again before you start. If you're sure you can, then fill your boots lad, if not then maybe other pursuits may suit you better, or a backup safety net such a civvie sex options might be something you want to think about. Fucking a whore and fucking a civvie are two very different things though, both have there distinctive good and bad points. But there is nothing else in life quite like fucking a whore, I guess most prossies realise this and take advantage of that, so I suppose in that sense it can be a mugs game. I do agree with the OP that there is something to be said in the sense of just having a nice healthy civvie relationship and enjoying that.. That's easier said than done though. Not everybody wants that, not everybody is able to find that. There's also no doubt that I've spent infinitely more money on my missus and other civvie women over the years than I have ever spent on prossies, I've also had sex with her thousands of times too, and I've enjoyed it probably 90% of the time too. Punting stats like that I don't think are possible. But you get the variety and the thrill of the taboo in punting. I can't get that with the wife.

Maybe I'm a mug for not properly valuing having something many would dream of having, Mumsnetters would certainly agree. But eyes once opened cannot be closed. I often think of punting a bit like smoking, it's a dirty and expensive habit, and you may quit, but you're always a smoker, and you always lament the price of it.

[grandaddybadman]

We have had our expectations raised and been spolit by past influxes of fabulous Ex-soviet satellite and asia/thai girls, now we are back to the dregs of british and romanian hookers, with only a few poles, chinese and hungarians to liven things up. But overall things are still vastly inproved from the state of play during second half of the 20th Century.

Good point, I had some great punts 7 to 10 years ago when i first started. If those early punts were not good i guess i would've had more reasonable expectations and would have givin' up back then.

[grandaddybadman]

 But you get the variety and the thrill of the taboo in punting. I can't get that with the wife.

I forgot about the married men on here. I've avoided marriage and even relationships to an extent like the plague.

However, now that you mention it, I can totally understand a married man seeing an escort after his wife deliberately uses sex as a reward system and refuses to give him action for weeks  in order to manipulate.

If I was in that position I would be to horny to care whether the escort has GG or DD. I guess I would be able to have a great time with any escort that is reliable and not too skinny or overweight.

[bearcat69]

I forgot about the married men on here. I've avoided marriage and even relationships to an extent like the plague.

However, now that you mention it, I can totally understand a married man seeing an escort after his wife deliberately uses sex as a reward system and refuses to give him action for weeks  in order to manipulate.

If I was in that position I would be to horny to care whether the escort has GG or DD. I guess I would be able to have a great time with any escort that is reliable and not too skinny or overweight.

Aye, it's true.

To be honest though, all women do to that to a certain extent IMO (giving sex as a reward). Whether it be £300 a month you're spending on various prossies, a few different fuck buddies, a no strings attached GF, or a wife. It's all the same IMO...
I did once upon a time try to play the casual dating field, but to cut a long story short it wasn't for me. I'd rather either have a more dependable long term thing, or a no bullshit paid for fuck with a prossie. The middle ground is too vague, confusing and stressful for me. I can understand how others enjoy it though, but I'm actually just really not somebody who enjoys the chase. I like things to have a certain degree of predictability and dependability.

[maxxblue]

You'd best ask Daddy that since he started this thread.

I'm asking you, not the OP, because you said that "punting is a mugs game".

Agree with some of those mentioned. Even though punting is a mugs game, getting a girlfriend is an even bigger mugs game.

[maxxblue]

All I'll say is it's only a mugs game if you let it be or if you've lost interest but continue anyway. I punt regularly and I enjoy it, I don't see it as a waste of money, quite the opposite. Granted I don't take the chances with unknown entities that I used to and tend to stick to either the well reviewed or regulars, but as long as I walk away with no regrets having enjoyed myself I would not class myself as a mug.   

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[TTGR]

OP I wouldn't say it's 'dead'.
You keep mentioning girls who are 'that good looking' etc. In your experience do these ultra beautiful types actually offer the best attitude/service too? These things would be more important to me.

I would have thought no guarantee, maybe quite the opposite even. 

[Colin McGoober]

I'm asking you, not the OP, because you said that "punting is a mugs game".

Maybe its because most SP's have become more dodgier as of late but that's mostly certain ones mentioned on here in countless threads such as the Roms, but then again they've been that way for the past few years, not to mention Sergei pulling the usual shit that he does as well as the price hike. Yet punters mostly the fluffy types somehow become mugs by falling for it. However I do still enjoy punting even though my interest is waning. Maybe that's way its become a mugs game.   

[yodeling]

at the quoted prices you can get an airfare to somewhere its very much better nowadays

Bangkok was always best for workers on the street

[grandaddybadman]

OP I wouldn't say it's 'dead'.
You keep mentioning girls who are 'that good looking' etc. In your experience do these ultra beautiful types actually offer the best attitude/service too? These things would be more important to me.

I would have thought no guarantee, maybe quite the opposite even. 

Good point, I can see why a man regards service more important than looks. At this moment i regards looks just a little more important, not much more.

[Danger!WillRobinson]

Unless the OH finds renewed vigour (no chance), then it's not going to be dead for me unfortunately. Haven't really got time/opportunity/ability to put in requisite effort in undertaking an affair, or something like Seeking Arrangments or similar, so hotlist of tried and trusted regulars it is, plus the occasional new SP...

[nervous1]

Got pissed off myself a while back and punt far less nowadays, I think we've all been there.  Actually only had a couple of punts this year and those were the first since the autumn.  I feel a lot better about things and don't feel like I'm hopelessly addicted to giving my money to prossies anymore.  However, you only have to look any at any given review section.  Respected punters are giving positive reviews every day on here.  There always has been and always be good WGs out there.  We are lucky to have all this material to research however annoying and time consuming it may be.  Research; timing; patience and often sheer luck are all factors that contribute to good/bad punts.

I will say that once the financial aspect gets you down it's time to take a step back in my experience.

[itk]

I agree with a lot the OP says, finding a decent punt seems hard work these days, often the price being top end for me. For me though, it’s the thrill I think is fading for me, and I’m becoming lazy, I can’t be bothered travelling the 20+ miles to the usual punting area, so try and find one close to my doorstep.

[RedKettle]

However, now that you mention it, I can totally understand a married man seeing an escort after his wife deliberately uses sex as a reward system and refuses to give him action for weeks

Weeks!! I wish. 

[Jimmyredcab]

If you look at the reviews section, clicking on the numerous 'positive' reviews will quickly contradict what you are saying. 

Disagree.
Some punters are very easily pleased, they think that no kissing, no OWO etc is perfectly acceptable, my standards are far higher ——- which is why I very rarely punt now, can’t say that I miss it.

[maxxblue]

Disagree.
Some punters are very easily pleased, they think that no kissing, no OWO etc is perfectly acceptable, my standards are far higher ——- which is why I very rarely punt now, can’t say that I miss it.

I would take your point if you were referring to the OP's post as a whole, but I was referring to the 3 points from his post that I quoted:

In 2018 you will have to be lucky to find a escort charging less than £150 per hour that is:

- good looking,
- consistent with good communication skills,
- that gives most or all the services or even just full sex.

I can reliably find WG's who are good looking, good with comms, who provide services as advertised, by reading positive reviews - the points you raise (no kissing, no OWO etc), can easily be ascertained by reading the content of the reviews rather than just looking at whether they are rated 'positive' or not.

[vw]

Maybe its because most SP's have become more dodgier as of late but that's mostly certain ones mentioned on here in countless threads such as the Roms, but then again they've been that way for the past few years, not to mention Sergei pulling the usual shit that he does as well as the price hike. Yet punters mostly the fluffy types somehow become mugs by falling for it. However I do still enjoy punting even though my interest is waning. Maybe that's way its become a mugs game.

Interesting you post this without ever posting a negative review.   

[Colin McGoober]

Interesting you post this without ever posting a negative review.   

Because I've seen so many negative reviews on this site that they've saved me money and the trouble of seeing those reviewed, isn't that what they're supposed to do? Also many punts I've had haven't been that bad to negative, some have been neutral at best.

[Romeo Sensini]

Devils Advocate here.

Isnt it partly that we've become spoilt for choice?

In the past it would be a "blind" walk-up or a card in a phone box or an old tart under a dim streetlight. Nowadays we can pick and choose from thousands of SP's all on display like the Argos catalogue. Then we're slightly dis-appointed that they dont look/perform like the pornstars that we've got equally easy access to.

Also, unless you are mega wealthy and can afford a harem or full time sugar baby, you're never going to find anyone thats dependant enough upon you to put in 100% consistently.

[Jimmyredcab]

Devils Advocate here.

Isnt it partly that we've become spoilt for choice?

If we are so spoilt for choice why were you happy to see a fat elderly lady with her head missing from her profile picture. ????

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[Romeo Sensini]

Based on what tickled my fancy plus decent previous reviews. Keep scrutinising by all means - I'm sure you'll find plenty that doesn't match the rigorous standards of a premier league punter such as yourself 

[beanfarmer05]

I think the time of year has a contributing factor as well. This winter seems to be never ending, it's cold wet grey miserable and dark all the time, all the fit civvy birds you see on the street/tube/train/bars are wrapped up in layers with no skin on show, some(and I emphasise some) of the better foreign sps have emigrated to warmer climes for the winter.. These months tend to grind everyone down a bit and make things seem worse. But that's my opinion

[megaman]

I am disappointed with my experiences that I'm having half of that is my fault but I have been lied too about extras not being on offer. I have seen girls that offer extra services too others but not me I can see that by reading the reviews on here. That is very off putting knowing a girl offers extras for others but not me, I'm talking about massage parlours as I only do them. It seems you pay for the basics first which they have too do and I believe I've been over charge too it can't be £65 for basis can it? Anyway and then the extras are up too the girl if she wants to do that or not unless you pay for a independent I don't know. Can't really do Indies tho.
With the sex being rubbish which is my fault I well be honest but then telling me bollocks that she don't do extras is going too make a good punt difficult because there's nothing I can do apart from talk too her.
I was hoping too make lots of contributions too the site but it is not working out unfortunately. I do believe I've been taking for a mug yes because of extras being refused, don't have much faith in seeing new hookers too. I've cut down puntin too about a month now unless I have a good time and enjoy it.