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Offline emkay

The post-Weinstein zeitgeist which has ensnared Oxfam ls running out of control. The media is on the hunt for the next one, darts, formula 1, presidents's club, the gambling exhibition.

Papers love it because they can be on a moral crusade AND print pictures of girls in swimsuits.

If you were to dare to say that in the kind of places where Oxfam works it's no big deal you'd be ostracized. Even if you condemned the prostitution and said that on balance Oxfam does so much good the use of sex workers was insignificant, or that it's not for Oxfam to be the moral guardians of it's staff outside of work: so long as they keep within the law, you'd be considered worse that anyone guilty of many things which are actually illegal.

So those with a moderate view keep quiet.

How long before the attention turns to UK prostitution? There are enough people who have the ear of the media and believe prostitution to be sinful and repressive of women for the idea that it should be illegal here to take root.

Those with a moderate view will still keep quiet.

Those who see it as a way to  aggrandisement will jump on the bandwagon and ride it for all they are worth.

In a late night session the MPs will vote the bill through and then go back to their Pimlico apartments for an out-call.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2018, 06:32:23 pm by emkay »

Offline SwenyTodd

Prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is legal!
Related stuff like owning or managing a brothel or pimping are crimes.
The current set up in the UK works well so won't change.
We're fortunate to live somewhere which is open minded unlike some parts of america (hence of of the issues SA have).

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The Oxfam scandal was a charity propped up by the tax payer making it a double-whammy of incorrect funding.

With regards the grid girls it's just a classic case of professional jealousy. Have you seen most hardcore feminists, a large number of them look masculine, the others couldn't even raise a smile let alone an erection.

Offline gary03

Think if labour win next election it wont be long until they pass severe prostitution laws

Offline McSwell

I think this government and the next one have got a lot more presding things to deal with.

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Think if labour win next election it wont be long until they pass severe prostitution laws
I think they'll run into a problem here with the large number of closeted Labour MP's who like to use rent boys.They'd have to make that illegal too ....and that will never happen!
Google 'Keith Vaz and rentboy statue' !
Bloody funny....
It's why he was so keen to welcome romanians to Britain...
Cheap 'rough trade'


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Think if labour win next election it wont be long until they pass severe prostitution laws
It certainly would have been the case with Harriet Harman. Fortunately, she was least unpopular thing to come out of Labour since stillborns.

Offline Itsnotshy

How long....difficult to tell with Brexit keeping politicians busy.
Will sex buyer law happen....eventually practically a cert.
Will it end prostitution....not a cat in hell's chance.
Will it make this game more dangerous for everyone,prossies and punters,waste loads of police time and engender resentment to authority amongst the punting community......I believe so.

OK,I'm off to XHamster for a wank now.


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How long....difficult to tell with Brexit keeping politicians busy.
Will sex buyer law happen....eventually practically a cert.
Will it end prostitution....not a cat in hell's chance.
Will it make this game more dangerous for everyone,prossies and punters,waste loads of police time and engender resentment to authority amongst the punting community......I believe so.

OK,I'm off to XHamster for a wank now.
Brexit will keep politicians busy for the future two elections at least. It's been nearly 2 years and it still gets a mention on Question Time every week and still it seems we've made very little progress in either direction.


Offline munterhunter

I'm not sure that the Government (of any flavour) will make prostitution illegal. Years ago when they arrested and fined street prostitutes for soliciting the women just went back to work to pay the fines and earn money to fund their life.
Whoever wins the next election will have far more to worry about:
NHS
ECONOMY
BREXIT
PUBLIC SPENDING
for a start. Criminalising prostitutes didn't work before there's nothing to suggest it will help now. The Oxfam Haiti affair goes to show that the donating public need to think carefully about who they are giving money to.
When you have an organisation no matter how good the cause that is paying a CEO in the high tens if not hundreds of thousands and employing street Chuggers to sign up new Victims / Donors it should set alarm bells ringing!

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How long....difficult to tell with Brexit keeping politicians busy.
Will sex buyer law happen....eventually practically a cert.
Will it end prostitution....not a cat in hell's chance.
Will it make this game more dangerous for everyone,prossies and punters,waste loads of police time and engender resentment to authority amongst the punting community......I believe so.

OK,I'm off to XHamster for a wank now.

+1 (well, apart from the wank bit; besides, I'm more of a pornhub guy)

My beef is the whole hypocrisy of women who'd support a woman's right to do with her body what she will, but only in specifi terms e.g. abortion. Why the morally censorious attitude to the whole idea that a woman might actually want to use her God given assets to earn a living, her way? Yes, there are problems in prostitution, same as there are in wholly legitimate other businesses - cunts and shysters exist in all walks of life, and trafficking exists in nail bars, restaurants and agriculture. If you want to look to Europe for attitudes on prostitution, look at Germany, not Sweden.

I've punted for nigh on 30 years, I took a fair break whilst initially with OH, but the tap ran dry (health issues), but am active again. I take the attitude (because I compartmentalise) that I'm engaging in a business transaction for therapeutic benefits (as per chiropractor, barber, etc). I try not to be a cunt in dealing with service providers, because I wouldn't be a cunt to plumbers, etc. So, I'm angered by the fact I am presumed to be a cunt because I engage in a perfectly legal activity. Grow the fuck up, UK.

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+1 (well, apart from the wank bit; besides, I'm more of a pornhub guy)

My beef is the whole hypocrisy of women who'd support a woman's right to do with her body what she will, but only in specifi terms e.g. abortion. Why the morally censorious attitude to the whole idea that a woman might actually want to use her God given assets to earn a living, her way? Yes, there are problems in prostitution, same as there are in wholly legitimate other businesses - cunts and shysters exist in all walks of life, and trafficking exists in nail bars, restaurants and agriculture. If you want to look to Europe for attitudes on prostitution, look at Germany, not Sweden.

I've punted for nigh on 30 years, I took a fair break whilst initially with OH, but the tap ran dry (health issues), but am active again. I take the attitude (because I compartmentalise) that I'm engaging in a business transaction for therapeutic benefits (as per chiropractor, barber, etc). I try not to be a cunt in dealing with service providers, because I wouldn't be a cunt to plumbers, etc. So, I'm angered by the fact I am presumed to be a cunt because I engage in a perfectly legal activity. Grow the fuck up, UK.
Third wave feminism isn't about women's rights it's about destroying family values and then blaming men if their "lifestyle" choices don't work out. No surprise that you often see hardcore pink haired feminists as single for most of their lives.

Germany should only be an example in terms of how they maintained technology colleges, we could have had Germany's car industry post WWII or something like it in a different area.

Sweden is a cesspit of crime and will continue to sink until they have some strong leaders that aren't refugee worshipping feminists.

Offline Erinaceinae

NI has had a sex buyers law for a few years. How many people have PSNI prosecuted? I think it's 1.

Offline Malvolio

I wouldn't worry unduly about this - can't see that it will be a manifesto commitment for either Conservatives or Labour.

Offline Spacecowb0y

The case for legalising (and hence taxing) prostitution carries more favour, than trying to abolish something that has taken place for thousands of years

Offline MrMohican

The post-Weinstein zeitgeist which has ensnared Oxfam ls running out of control. The media is on the hunt for the next one, darts, formula 1, presidents's club, the gambling exhibition.

Papers love it because they can be on a moral crusade AND print pictures of girls in swimsuits.

If you were to dare to say that in the kind of places where Oxfam works it's no big deal you'd be ostracized. Even if you condemned the prostitution and said that on balance Oxfam does so much good the use of sex workers was insignificant, or that it's not for Oxfam to be the moral guardians of it's staff outside of work: so long as they keep within the law, you'd be considered worse that anyone guilty of many things which are actually illegal.

So those with a moderate view keep quiet.

How long before the attention turns to UK prostitution? There are enough people who have the ear of the media and believe prostitution to be sinful and repressive of women for the idea that it should be illegal here to take root.

Those with a moderate view will still keep quiet.

Those who see it as a way to  aggrandisement will jump on the bandwagon and ride it for all they are worth.

In a late night session the MPs will vote the bill through and then go back to their Pimlico apartments for an out-call.

Not being funny but I think there's a whole bigger issue here with Oxfam. This isn't about some guys - who away from their job paid consenting prostitutes to have sex with them. This is about people entering a charity precisely because they know they are going to be put in a place where law and order is minimal and the opportunities to prey on already vulnerable and traumatised people are maximised.

To quote the independent: "Oxfam were warned that aid workers were sexually abusing children in Haiti a decade ago. ... It identified “every kind of child sexual abuse and exploitation imaginable”, including rape, prostitution, pornography, sexual slavery, assaults and trafficking" do you really think that aid workers who are being funded by our own government should be engaging in this kind of activity? - or for them to turn a blind eye if they saw it happening?

Do you really think thats 'no big deal'?...

I hardly find this a 'moderate' view

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The post-Weinstein zeitgeist which has ensnared Oxfam ls running out of control. The media is on the hunt for the next one, darts, formula 1, presidents's club, the gambling exhibition.

Papers love it because they can be on a moral crusade AND print pictures of girls in swimsuits.

If you were to dare to say that in the kind of places where Oxfam works it's no big deal you'd be ostracized. Even if you condemned the prostitution and said that on balance Oxfam does so much good the use of sex workers was insignificant, or that it's not for Oxfam to be the moral guardians of it's staff outside of work: so long as they keep within the law, you'd be considered worse that anyone guilty of many things which are actually illegal.

So those with a moderate view keep quiet.

How long before the attention turns to UK prostitution? There are enough people who have the ear of the media and believe prostitution to be sinful and repressive of women for the idea that it should be illegal here to take root.

Those with a moderate view will still keep quiet.

Those who see it as a way to  aggrandisement will jump on the bandwagon and ride it for all they are worth.

In a late night session the MPs will vote the bill through and then go back to their Pimlico apartments for an out-call.


Oxfam workers took advantage of vulnerable women,and underage females they were supposed to help for their own sexual pleasures.
A charity designed to help the most in need on this planet.
The Hollyweird saga,however,unpleasant can not be used as a rational comparison, as I'm sure you fully will know.

Offline HarryZZ

Prostitution is happening and although there is a small amount of crime associated with it, that crime is magnified by the coverage it gets because of the salacious interest people get out of reading about it, there's more crime associated with football or pubs or something as mundane as travelling on public transport. A quick recap on what's been happening with crime in the UK one the last few years suggests that this kind of petty crime gets more and more overlooked and what we called "decriminalised", similar to the use of cannabis, not necessarily because governments have a liberal agenda, but because it costs money and resources to administer an ongoing, headline policy of stamping it out, there's no real votes in it and it's expensive, the only way it could be done is by monetising the prosecution of "offenders" similar to vehicle speeding crime, but how is that going to work, prossie-cams on street corners?

Even in the small city where I live and long before I ever punted, I have known of a number of brothels, one less than a mile from the main police station, there's no way the police wouldn't know about them, but they're no trouble, the only raids there has been has been on brothels populated by illegal immigrants, and it's the illegal immigrant part of it that interested the police, nothing to do with it being a brothel, in much the same way that they raid Indian restaurants, they're not against onion bhajis.

Offline emkay

This isn't about some guys - who away from their job paid consenting prostitutes to have sex with them. This is about people entering a charity precisely because they know they are going to be put in a place where law and order is minimal and the opportunities to prey on already vulnerable and traumatised people are maximised.
Do you really think thats 'no big deal'?...

I hardly find this a 'moderate' view

In a rare thing for an internet forum you've changed my view and I'll admit I was being naïve in thinking that the men working for Oxfam went into it with good hearts and just wanted to kick back a little. If Oxfam knowingly recruited predators on the basis that they could get them to do the work that no-one else would, the organisation deserves all the flak it's getting.

I do think however that the tide of new puritanism will see prostitution made illegal in the UK. And much like cannabis laws or flats with multiple women at the moment (the excellent Onion bhaji comment) it won't make any practical difference.

What it will do is change the attitude to those who are outed. A man found guilty of using prostitutes in a divorce case would get a much worse settlement, it could become a grounds for dismissal from pretty much all jobs. The change in legality becomes a tool for those on a moralistic high horse to campaign.

If you think that Brexit will divert attention you are wrong. It will have an opposite effect. Nothing anyone says about Brexit is popular. With prostitution most people don't care, a few care a lot and want it banned and those that don't, in the main, will stay quiet. The perceived  consensus then becomes that a ban is hugely popular and is something the government can do to divert attention from the mess that is Brexit.

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I do fear it will become illegal which will have an adverse effect on the safety of all involved perhaps.

Not surprisingly, I would not judge anyones morals based on use of prostitutes. However, the morally reprehensible part of the Oxfam/Others fiasco is not that they were using prostitutes, but they were "forcing" girls into prostitution using the withholding of aid.

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Frankly the Oxfam and Weinstein issues are more about the abuse of power, but since the misuse of power has mainly been directed at women, there is an inescapable accompanying backlash directed at activities which might involve male abuse of power towards women, which of course will include prostitution. In which case the answer, viz prostitution at least is make it safer via regulation and tax, not by banning it which will drive the whole thing underground.

I'd be curious to see how they'd go about policing sites like Seeking Arrangement or Sugar Daddies.

Offline JamesKW

Everything is building up to adopt a Scandanavian system to make the user the criminal,journalists are searching out stories since Weinstein,whether it is the Dorchester or Oxfam that mean it is likely inevitable.

They pick stories at first which the public can sympathise with but it gets worse and worse and eventually the everyday punter will be the criminal.

In Sweden no one  knows whether sexual crimes have increased due to the new prostitution laws or the influx of immigrants.


Offline anyfucker

Think if labour win next election it wont be long until they pass severe prostitution laws
If Labour win the next election we will have much more pressing problems than seeing prostitutes.

Offline puntlover1

They will make paying for sex illegal soon, but it will still be legal for a woman to offer herself for sale. That lets them have their cake and eat it too. They can claim they are not infringing a woman's right to do with her own body as she pleases and, at the same time, they can claim to be clamping down on men who take advantage of vulnerable women.

I'd be interested on the impact that has on cases where a punter has sex with a working girl, but then refuses to pay for it on the grounds that its illegal to do so. Would it be classed as rape or sexual assault? Technically speaking, if you refuse to pay a prostitute after sex it is rape, as the consent given was predicated on payment. How would the law treat this if the act of payment were illegal itself? This is why sex buyers laws are quite unworkable in practice and why prosecutions are rare.

Offline puntlover1

Frankly the Oxfam and Weinstein issues are more about the abuse of power, but since the misuse of power has mainly been directed at women, there is an inescapable accompanying backlash directed at activities which might involve male abuse of power towards women, which of course will include prostitution. In which case the answer, viz prostitution at least is make it safer via regulation and tax, not by banning it which will drive the whole thing underground.

I'd be curious to see how they'd go about policing sites like Seeking Arrangement or Sugar Daddies.

This is why Seeking Arrangement and Sugar Daddies have to crack down on men offering to pay per meet. In the USA payment for sex is illegal in most states, hence a direct pay per meet offer is unlawful. On the other hand, offering to fund someone's lifestyle in exchange for the faint hope of regular sex is legal and is usually called 'marriage'.

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Oxfam workers took advantage of vulnerable women,and underage females they were supposed to help for their own sexual pleasures.
A charity designed to help the most in need on this planet.
The Hollyweird saga,however,unpleasant can not be used as a rational comparison, as I'm sure you fully will know.

Are not some of the women or for that matter men in Hollywood desperate to achieve fame and success,that they too can be vulnerable???

Offline Punterenas

I'm sure it will happen but not for some time

Anyone remember this headline from almost a year ago?

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Nothing came of it, in fact a house of commons report on prositution which came out last year (complete with cover picture of a woman in a leather clad mini skirt leaning on the bonnet of a car, I know ffs!) recommended watering down these proposals and seems to have been kicked into the long grass.

Jeremy Corbyn seems to favour decriminalising the sex industry (much to Harriet Harmans annoyance)

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and Labour won't win anyway since they are trailing in the polls against a very weak Conservative government (a worse performance than even when Michael Foot was leader).

There was also an attempt to adopt the Nordic model in Scotland when there was a massive Scottish Nationalist majority which Labour would have backed and that didn't happen.

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The trend these days is basically everything is the man's fault. Paradoxically the punter may be saved by the influx of degree totting strippers, cam girls etc who have student loans they need paying off, in an economy where a degree in African Pottery Making is not sufficient to pay the rent. Combine that with porn and soft prostitution through SA etc, and you have a critical mass of angry females with something to lose from Nordic style persecution of punters. Nobody cares what we think, we're scum twice or thrice over in the public imagination. But the media love listening to women argue about sex, and there's no way they are going to give that up. But, if the worst happens, I guess we'll just have to start catching the new Eurostar train to Amsterdam.

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Any moves to criminalise punting and one result will be more blackmail like that exposed in the recent TV documentary involving B.B. Kirie

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=182950.0

That punter was brave enough to report the attempted blackmail because he knew he hadn’t done anything criminal - and as a result a bent copper gets exposed and nicked.

How many punters would report blackmail if it meant admitting to the police they had broken the law and the very high risk they would get prosecuted? And what if you got ripped off, money stolen, robbed, jumped or beaten up by a pimp?

We have seen enough instances of scum bags trying to rip off and blackmail punters on here - criminalising punting would just be a scammers charter.

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Scottish punter here:
SNP party conference voted to outlaw whoring, but we've not heard a squeak about it as it is up to the government to decide whether to bring legislation before the Scottish Parliament. They have more pressing matters like the NHS and an underperforming economy to address. Recent tax rises will exacerbate that.
I predict the SNP will be out of government at the next Scottish elections, so Labour will be in coalition with nauseating Lib Dems, so it's anyone's guess what their attitude to prostitution will be.
The Westminster parliament seems altogether more enlightened on the subject. Keith Vaz's Select Committee recommended abolishing laws on soliciting and allowing WGs to work together in flats. All very realistic and grown up.
Meanwhile, in Ulster, punters and prossies have been quietly getting on with what they do despite the illegality of it.
Will banning prostitution work? It's been illegal in the USA for a century. The industry's estimated turnover is $5,000,000,000. Duh!

Offline dave_59

Prohibition in the USA during 30s failed as would anti-prostitution laws.

A cash strapped Government should fully legalise the service and impliment taxation as with most other professions

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The trend these days is basically everything is the man's fault. Paradoxically the punter may be saved by the influx of degree totting strippers, cam girls etc who have student loans they need paying off, in an economy where a degree in African Pottery Making is not sufficient to pay the rent. Combine that with porn and soft prostitution through SA etc, and you have a critical mass of angry females with something to lose from Nordic style persecution of punters. Nobody cares what we think, we're scum twice or thrice over in the public imagination. But the media love listening to women argue about sex, and there's no way they are going to give that up. But, if the worst happens, I guess we'll just have to start catching the new Eurostar train to Amsterdam.
That's a good point if prostitution was illegal would that make stripping illegal? Technically, it is a sexual service. I can't see Rhinos closing.

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Yes, they will certainly put a stop to anyone ever paying for sex again.   :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

After all it's only been around since the dawn of time!!!!!!!  :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash:

Offline Malvolio

They will make paying for sex illegal soon, but it will still be legal for a woman to offer herself for sale. That lets them have their cake and eat it too. They can claim they are not infringing a woman's right to do with her own body as she pleases and, at the same time, they can claim to be clamping down on men who take advantage of vulnerable women.

I'd be interested on the impact that has on cases where a punter has sex with a working girl, but then refuses to pay for it on the grounds that its illegal to do so. Would it be classed as rape or sexual assault? Technically speaking, if you refuse to pay a prostitute after sex it is rape, as the consent given was predicated on payment. How would the law treat this if the act of payment were illegal itself? This is why sex buyers laws are quite unworkable in practice and why prosecutions are rare.

Are there any WGs in the UK that don't demand the cash upfront?

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Are there any WGs in the UK that don't demand the cash upfront?
I've shagged several where I've paid afterwards even in parlours.

Offline NIK

Are there any WGs in the UK that don't demand the cash upfront?

Most of the best ones I have seen in my experience.
Initial attitude to cash was always a major indicator on my punting radar whether it was going to be any good or not.
At the peak of its powers my punting radar could pretty accurately tell me if it was going to be a good or bad un within the first two minutes of meeting.
Didn’t always prevent me having bad punts though!  :D

Offline paper7

The case for legalising (and hence taxing) prostitution carries more favour, than trying to abolish something that has taken place for thousands of years
Spot on - totally agree.

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Good on MrMohican for a useful common sense contribution to this thread.

Personally I do not expect any change in laws around prostitution soon.  The migration of prostitution from curb side to online behind close doors has done a massive favour to sex workers, punters, police and government alike.

I suspect the paid sex industry has and will increase in size massively over the next few years.  Lots of apparently “respectable”  guys like me, would would not dream of picking up a tom on the street can now buy sex with the same safety as buying furniture on eBay. 

It ain’t broke; I very much doubt government will try and fix it.  Particularly not now that the increased safety of punting has opened it up to a broad, politically significant demographic.  We are wage earners with disposable income after all...

Offline JamesKW

Prohibition in the USA during 30s failed as would anti-prostitution laws.

A cash strapped Government should fully legalise the service and impliment taxation as with most other professions

Your right that prohibition of alcohol failed,mainly because it is easy to make and can be made out of most things you grow in your garden.No one is proposing to make prostitution illegal per say,but to bring in a Nordic model where the punter is illegal and the provider is legal.A fully legalised service would likely increase prices for punters significantly as there will be taxes to pay and health and safety,insurance premiums etc. will come into it.
It is impossible to get rid of prostitution as it has been around since time immorial,it may discourage those who have a lot to lose as far as family and careers but it will not discourage those who have little to lose.

Offline smiths

Good on MrMohican for a useful common sense contribution to this thread.

Personally I do not expect any change in laws around prostitution soon.  The migration of prostitution from curb side to online behind close doors has done a massive favour to sex workers, punters, police and government alike.

I suspect the paid sex industry has and will increase in size massively over the next few years.  Lots of apparently “respectable”  guys like me, would would not dream of picking up a tom on the street can now buy sex with the same safety as buying furniture on eBay. 

It ain’t broke; I very much doubt government will try and fix it.  Particularly not now that the increased safety of punting has opened it up to a broad, politically significant demographic.  We are wage earners with disposable income after all...

I agree, however it will be on the pretext of sexual trafficking that future laws could be passed to make punting more difficult for punters, legalisation is fantasy at present, the present grey area of the top cops in their areas deciding how to apply the law to brothels and the street scene is likely I think to remain in the short to medium term.

Any future laws will be for show NOT to enforce unless the top cop is a god bothering moralist as the resources in terms of cost and manpower wont be available, the show will put off some punters who would decide the reward isn't worth the risk anymore.

The fly in the ointment are femi-nazis like Bindel who politicians and much of the media either agree with or are shit scared of, people like her and her ilk are on a crusade and it was only by good fortune that Harriet Harman ran out of time and support in the dying days of Browns government so couldn't get through he intended Nordic model laws settling for her coercion law which is a prime example of show.

The biggest threat in the short term is the new net laws coming in in April as discussed on another thread, a huge number of adults could be affected who don't have kids, they are inconvenienced while the government uses kids and porn as a pretext to further restrict civil liberties. Yes porn is very easy for a kid to see, it was very easy for me to see when I was a kid as mags were literally lying around in public. And as ever there will be ways round kids viewing online porn, VPNs, using others log-ins, getting a pre-paid card which some issuers were allowing kids from 13 to have legit, at least until recently. This constant nannying and the state wanting more and more control and it has total control already if a person uses a computer or mobile and chooses to use its power as Snowden showed is extremely unhealthy in a so called democracy. More and more it will be sold on the "if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem argument", well the problem for me is I don't want the state knowing my personal legal business.

Offline EllsBFA

Think if labour win next election it wont be long until they pass severe prostitution laws

I've been a Labour supporter all my life......
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Offline Marmalade

The post-Weinstein zeitgeist which has ensnared Oxfam ls running out of control.
In a late night session the MPs will vote the bill through and then go back to their Pimlico apartments for an out-call.


Crikey, what a cheerful little bundle of joy your threads are to start the day. Look, we get it that you are paranoid (and "post-Weinstein zeitgeist" was a lovely little phrase, congratulations) but, if I might be so bold as to suggest a contrary view, they've been trying to outlaw prostitution probably since Queen Victoria.

So although I appreciate your common sense in wearing rubber gloves to handle your burner phone and only punting when disguised with heavy make-up like an undercover BBC reporter, I would probably give a William Hill that everyone with plenty of punting under their belt reading this forum now will still be punting legally until their cock runs dry.

Funny thing is, although you look like a punter and have been on UKP for almost five years, your only review was so brief (a total of 6 whole lines) it was clearly written quickly in case someone had planted a secret microphone in your underwear. How come? (or not cum...??).


One other wee thing while we're having such a nice conversation, wtf was this about....?? :

I'm really disappointed by the hostile nature of this thread. I'm used to online communities liking it when the people they buy services enter the discussion.
If it was a motorbike forum and someone from Harley Davidson popped up you wouldn't suddenly get someone saying "How can you claim your bikes are American when 34% of the parts are imported?" or "Why are your bikes shit".
The SP here should be made to feel comfortable and her points of view entertained.
This feels like bloodsport.

I'm not sure which 'online communities' you are 'used to', but this is a punters' forum where we praise good service providers and expose weaknesses of lesser specimens. We don't particularly go out of our way to encourage prossies unless they can put themselves in the punter's shoes and contribute something of value to punters. The services they provide is more pertinent than their 'points of view' because there are other forums for that sort of interaction. If you think something is factually wrong, then call it. If you think a post is abusive -- by UKP rules (do check them) -- you can always report it. But maybe I could politely suggest that you perhaps consider contributing a little more, especially in terms of the ethos of the site (factual data from your experience with identifiable prossies that is of value to other punters). Then if you want to say how the site should be run and how we should behave, perhaps consider who runs the site and whether he should give a toss what you think he does with his own time, hard work,  and money.

Just saying ...  :hi:

Offline emkay

You deserve an honest answer to this. I've a huge digital footprint, with substantial social media followers and am concerned that too much posting here would lead to leaving a trail to my existence outside of this environment. So I keep my posting to a minimum. As a punt inevitably means meeting someone in the real world I see that as a particular point of weakness.

Offline Marmalade

You deserve an honest answer to this. I've a huge digital footprint, with substantial social media followers and am concerned that too much posting here would lead to leaving a trail to my existence outside of this environment. So I keep my posting to a minimum. As a punt inevitably means meeting someone in the real world I see that as a particular point of weakness.

That’s a reasonable explanation of why you are paranoid but it simply means being careful that you don’t post a trail of information about you that could lead to the prossie identifying you or others joining up the dots. But I would fix your ideas about what others should post if I were you, especially the “encouraging prossies to feel welcome” bit. I think people are welcome depending on what they post. That it’s a punters forum, for punters, means that tends to be more rigorously applied when it comes to prossies posting.

BoyLife

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I think this government and the next one have got a lot more presding things to deal with.

However, it hasn't stopped Gove going on an 'urgent' crusade against Coffee Cups and Straws, after watching Blue Planet II.

Offline Marmalade

However, it hasn't stopped Gove going on an 'urgent' crusade against Coffee Cups and Straws, after watching Blue Planet II.

If the new Ice Age dawned tomorrow, the libtards will undoubtedly by filled with overpowering hatred and blame for anyone who disposed of a plastic straw, even though it made no fucking difference.

Maybe Mr Gove uses them for enemas and doesn’t like similarities between his shit and his coffee. I can imagine other politicians being furious. Not ever needing to use paper money what on earth will they use for hygienically snorting their cocaine?

Offline unclepokey

It's very simple. The means to enforce such a law would be so costly as to render it totally unenforceable. PC Plod has it's hands full and the courts are showing signs of considerable stress. The prison service ditto.
So the answer is never./

Uncle Pokey


Offline Third Man

I think that the point is that there is a difference in making buying illegal, and getting rid of prostitution totally. Now obviously the latter is not going to happen. But the former may well happen as in NI etc. Once on the statute books, the police may well not enforce it as seems to more or less be the case in NI, but it would certainly put some punters off. The like of Harman, Rhoda Grant and so on who hate independent women and men equally just want a law on the books. Job done, brownie points given. If it's going to happen anywhere, for me its more likely to be in Scotland. The SNP have no policy on it, but a couple of moral religious morons in their midst, who's true home is in the Labour party but for the fact they have no hope of being elected at the moment with them, tried at the last conference and succeeded in winning a vote  to criminalise buying sex, but this was not and is not as yet Snp policy, although it is Scottish Labours. My thoughts are if the SNP are weakened some sort of stitch up may happen to push it through for support on the Scottish budget for example in future years. Can't see it happening in England in the near future.  But the point is, should a law be passed, what will individual punters reaction be, with the possibly however slim of being nabbed by the plod as likes of in Sweden. And as likes of Rhoda Grant  know only too well, it will not stop some nutters murdering  and attacking girls because  its illegal to buy sex.