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Offline NIK


Well this subject has been done to death over the years. However as it has been raised on UKP once again here are my thoughts.

Basically I totally agree with Jimmy. The vast majority of prostitutes do not pay tax. It isn’t this that annoys me, but the fact that they totally insult our intelligence by insisting they do.   :dash:

Do they really expect us to believe that they receive an amount of money that is in reality unknown by anyone apart from themselves and the person giving it to them, often in an intimate and private situation, and they then take a percentage of this and give it to the Inland Revenue?

In a parlour the parlour owners don’t care what the girls are given so long as they get their percentage. No one knows whether I’m giving a girl in the room £5, £50 or £500.
What about street girls? I suppose they also pay tax?  :rolleyes:
A regular girl even admitted to me a few years ago that she was claiming benefits. And she was actually a good wg.

When I was a student I worked casually and part time for a mate. It was cash in hand and we never even thought about tax, although I doubt I earned enough to pay tax on it anyway.

This whole situation is the same as the idea of making paid sex illegal. How the hell can anyone know what goes on between me and an indie escort? They don’t know how much I’ve paid her or even if we’ve actually had sex.

As I say I almost forgot to pay Nicoletta once and was on my way out of the premises before we both remembered. If I hadn’t have returned and paid her, and assuming this impossible law had been brought in, would it have been legal if I had left without paying? But because I returned and quite rightly paid her for her excellent services then would I have been breaking the law?
As anyone can see the whole thing is crazy and impossible to regulate – at least with indie escorts.
They could close every parlour and agency down, clean up the streets totally, but they will never be able to regulate indies,

Returning to the tax topic this is one of the reasons the authorities dislike paid sex, not because they feel it’s immoral, but because they can’t get their cut out of it as they do with everything else we do.

It is impossible to tax indie escorts just as it is impossible to legislate them.

In conclusion I’m not bothered whether they pay tax or not, but I have little sympathy if they get caught, especially if they are claiming benefits too. Those of us who are taxed (very heavily) at source to help pay for those benefits have no choice in the matter.
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Offline Fannytastico

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Well this subject has been done to death over the years. However as it has been raised on UKP once again here are my thoughts.

Basically I totally agree with Jimmy. The vast majority of prostitutes do not pay tax. It isn’t this that annoys me, but the fact that they totally insult our intelligence by insisting they do.   :dash:
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It's also been done to death on this forum recently.
The vast majority may not pay tax.  So when those that do get bundled into the same prozzie bashing box, it is irksome.  It appears to be another stick to hit whores with. I can't talk about everyone else - but don't insist that I don't because of your view of the 'majority'.
Some do, some don't.  Give it a rest.

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In a similar manner I get cross at those I know of who work on the side, claim benefits and don't pay tax for years if ever. Whilst I may or may not like any other self-employed person declare everything I earn, I still don't like it when others fall completely off the radar and don't contribute anything towards society.

By the way what has this got to do with punting?and what interest is it to punters. I thought you had more important concerns such as VFM, whether or not a girl offers what she says she does etc etc. There are people in all levels of society who take the mickey out of the state system.

So how does this affect the punter.

Offline oconnor

Well this subject has been done to death over the years. However as it has been raised on UKP once again here are my thoughts.

Basically I totally agree with Jimmy. The vast majority of prostitutes do not pay tax. It isn’t this that annoys me, but the fact that they totally insult our intelligence by insisting they do.   :dash:

Do they really expect us to believe that they receive an amount of money that is in reality unknown by anyone apart from themselves and the person giving it to them, often in an intimate and private situation, and they then take a percentage of this and give it to the Inland Revenue?

In a parlour the parlour owners don’t care what the girls are given so long as they get their percentage. No one knows whether I’m giving a girl in the room £5, £50 or £500.
What about street girls? I suppose they also pay tax?  :rolleyes:
A regular girl even admitted to me a few years ago that she was claiming benefits. And she was actually a good wg.

When I was a student I worked casually and part time for a mate. It was cash in hand and we never even thought about tax, although I doubt I earned enough to pay tax on it anyway.

This whole situation is the same as the idea of making paid sex illegal. How the hell can anyone know what goes on between me and an indie escort? They don’t know how much I’ve paid her or even if we’ve actually had sex.

As I say I almost forgot to pay Nicoletta once and was on my way out of the premises before we both remembered. If I hadn’t have returned and paid her, and assuming this impossible law had been brought in, would it have been legal if I had left without paying? But because I returned and quite rightly paid her for her excellent services then would I have been breaking the law?
As anyone can see the whole thing is crazy and impossible to regulate – at least with indie escorts.
They could close every parlour and agency down, clean up the streets totally, but they will never be able to regulate indies,

Returning to the tax topic this is one of the reasons the authorities dislike paid sex, not because they feel it’s immoral, but because they can’t get their cut out of it as they do with everything else we do.

It is impossible to tax indie escorts just as it is impossible to legislate them.

In conclusion I’m not bothered whether they pay tax or not, but I have little sympathy if they get caught, especially if they are claiming benefits too. Those of us who are taxed (very heavily) at source to help pay for those benefits have no choice in the matter.
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And the point of this post is?

Offline smiths

In a similar manner I get cross at those I know of who work on the side, claim benefits and don't pay tax for years if ever. Whilst I may or may not like any other self-employed person declare everything I earn, I still don't like it when others fall completely off the radar and don't contribute anything towards society.

By the way what has this got to do with punting?and what interest is it to punters. I thought you had more important concerns such as VFM, whether or not a girl offers what she says she does etc etc. There are people in all levels of society who take the mickey out of the state system.

So how does this affect the punter.

I agree. As this matter has never affected  my punts i couldnt care less what the WGs tax arrangements are. I agree with NIK regarding if they are caught, i have no sympathy either though.

Offline NIK

And the point of this post is?

The point is that they insult our intelligence when they keep saying they do.
I don't care whether they do or not, but please stop lying about it.

If they all paid tax would punting go up  ????????

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Offline Fannytastico

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but please stop lying about it.
So anyone who says she does is lying about it, as it doesn't accord with your view of the majority?  Or do you have a special detector that tells you who precisely is lying?

It's your logic that eludes me.

Offline foresight

I am completely bemused as to why any of this matters to anyone but the taxman.

As to wgs lying about it, how does one know they are lying. 

Anyway, I guess most people who don't pay tax lie about it, so what's different about wgs?

My current regular, I know, pays tax. She has other sources of income so is on the tax radar.  Last time I saw her she told me 'you are doing this for the taxman' as she had her bill to pay.  AFter that I kept seeing visions of George Osborne - rather spoiled the occasion.

Offline NIK

So anyone who says she does is lying about it, as it doesn't accord with your view of the majority?  Or do you have a special detector that tells you who precisely is lying?

It's your logic that eludes me.

So every indie escort decalres all her earnings does she?  :rolleyes:

You don't need logic just a little understanding of human nature.

Offline Marmalade

I'm pleased this subject has now got a separate thread - good idea Nik. I think part of the divisiveness of feelings about it has simply been that it intruded on so many other threads, at least from what I can see. So now there's a place to discuss and air differences of opinion if there are any.

If they all paid tax would punting go up  ????????
Looking at the price of punting in Australia, where a large number of brothels are legit and registered, I guess that it would. Punting there has to be a 'special treat' unless you're very flush.

It maybe raises another question. Many punters maybe feel that they are also 'helping the girl out' or 'recycling some money' when punting. Would you feel the same if you handed over, say, two envelopes: one for her, and one for the government? Or as Foresght points out, astutely as he so often does,
Quote from: foresight
AFter that I kept seeing visions of George Osborne - rather spoiled the occasion.

I should add I don't have very strong feelings about other people's business generally.

Offline Wayang

The point is that they insult our intelligence when they keep saying they do.
I don't care whether they do or not, but please stop lying about it.
What a waste of a  post.  I suspect/hope taht our happy band of WGs do in fact pay tax - as to the rest - i don't give a sh*t; somev are lying about the subject, some are not.
It is not an insult to my intelligence.  I havee a number of jobs done which I pay in cash.  The tax then becomes a matter for the recipient of my cash and id f all to do with me.

Offline Simple

Starting to get kind of ridiculous IMO, where are the claims that every single prossie pay her taxes and accurately declares her income by anyone prossie or punter alike, I've seen claims that UKP's resident prossies pay them, but nothing whatsoever about all prossies paying unless I have missed something...

Offline Fannytastico

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So every indie escort decalres all her earnings does she?  :rolleyes:

I didn't say that, did I?  You however seem to believe all working girls are lying about it - therefore NO working girl declares her taxes.
We've been through this before.  It doesn't get any less contentious or any more interesting.  Are you trying to bore us away?   

Offline smiths

The point is that they insult our intelligence when they keep saying they do.
I don't care whether they do or not, but please stop lying about it.

 If i were a WG i wouldnt be admitting on the net to anyone that i didnt pay tax, you never know who may be reading what you post in this survellience society.

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By the way what has this got to do with punting?and what interest is it to punters. I thought you had more important concerns such as VFM, whether or not a girl offers what she says she does etc etc. There are people in all levels of society who take the mickey out of the state system.

Good post Strawberry.  This is why I look at punting forums, to get information beneficial to me when spending my hard earned.  Like Strawberry also says prostitutes are certainly not the only ones who will abuse the system.  None of us are whiter than white, we've all paid for some type of service with cash & known that the provider isn't going to declare it to Mr Taxman.

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I agree. As this matter has never affected  my punts i couldnt care less what the WGs tax arrangements are. I agree with NIK regarding if they are caught, i have no sympathy either though.

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If they pay tax, good on them. 
If they don't, couldn't give a shit.
If they get caught, their problem not mine.
If their lying about it, so what?

Offline NIK

I didn't say that, did I?  You however seem to believe all working girls are lying about it - therefore NO working girl declares her taxes.
We've been through this before.  It doesn't get any less contentious or any more interesting.  Are you trying to bore us away?   


It's amazing how touchy they get when this subject is mentioned.

Reminds me of another board.

If it was so boring you wouldn't respond.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2011, 04:47:34 PM by NIK »

Offline SteveNova

I have no more interest in whether some, many, all or no escorts pay tax as whether any other profession or occupation manage to lessen their 'outgoings' - I just wish my income came in a way that I could hide some.  That might make up for the fact that we have one of the highest rates of tax and duty on fuel in the EU.  I'm not sure why the focus is on WGs income, as there will be self-employed punters on here who could be asked the same question.  (and before you reply I know that the more tax is evaded the more there is pressure to raise revenue in other areas - such as fuel tax!)
« Last Edit: February 20, 2011, 04:52:13 PM by SteveNova »

Online James999

The vast majority may not pay tax.  So when those that do get bundled into the same prozzie bashing box,

But Fantastico, you yourself said that you are quite new to the industry, so how many other prostitutes have you actually met, and how many have you had financial transactions with?

So how would you have any idea how many declare tax correctly. Punters will have a far greater experience of meeting different girls and paying them, and will thus have a far more informed opinion.

You seem very agitated by the subject, as has been said before Tax is only a contentious matter if people are dodging it, you shout about how girls do pay but you have from your own words no knowledge or experience of this, indeed you yourself admitted you have not even subnmitted a tax return yet as you didn't know about the items you could claim for what you couldn;t claim for, deadlines etc.

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If Fanny has not yet worked to the end of a tax year, then she may well have not submitted one yet. If she started out after 4th April 2010 then she doesn't have to submit one until 30th September 2011, or 31st January 2012 depending upon which method she choses to use.

I don't know what other WGs do regards their tax, I have an idea one or two others do declare but that is none of my business. My business is what I do with my tax affairs. I do pay tax, and I do tell the tax office the nature of my occupation - I just haven't said how much.

So just where am I lying there?

Offline Mellow

If you consider yourself outside of the mainstream of society, you will not pay direct taxation through fear of exposure. Similarly, the Wg's drug dealer will fail in his own public duties for the very same reasons.

This is not about the rights or wrongs of being a cheat, most of us are given the chance, but it's the gross indignation that rears it's head everytime someone mentions taxation. Most of the hookers I've ever known consider taxing as something that the local scrote will do to you if he or she sees you with a new gold chain.

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If you get caught not paying tax then you will be exposed, and that's also why some opt to pay it in the first place.

Offline Lurtz

WGs who don't pay tax should be given a lethal injection.

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it's the gross indignation that rears it's head everytime someone mentions taxation.
No, it the gross indignation of calling all cuntholes liars.


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