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Author Topic: Is anyone concerned about human trafficking?  (Read 6326 times)

I've been thinking recently... could these so called 'bad-punts' that I, and many others had... actually women who are in someway doing it against their will...?

How would you know? Does anyone else think about this?

I'm all for sex servicing where both parties are mutually benefitting and doing it out of their own free will... but I HATE the thought of contributing to ANY kind of mafia or slavery...

For example... these Romanian girls in the massage parlour... how can I know whether they are there of there own free will or if they were tricked into coming here and are working under some crazy modern-day slave conditions? Most of the time the girls in there seem ok, smiley and give a good service.... but the last one I had was very cold. SHe didn't have any physical signs of abuse at all but I do wonder, what is the story here... are they here knowing full well what they're getting in to? THen we get the bigger issue of the fact that whether they are forced or not, the fact that they come from a very poor country means that in a round-about way, they are kind of 'forced' to take drastic action... It's different to when an English, educated girl decides to become an elite escort like Belle-Du-Jour and is clearly doing it as a lucrative lifestyle choice in what is the ultimate 'service industry'...


Hi J,

Yeah....I know what you mean. Also agree about not wanting any part in trafficking and/or slavery.

But I think the majority of these cold girls with no other signs aren't, in the overwhelming majority, trafficked. If you're trafficked etc. the trauma must be such that there will be signs, some subtle but some not.

I've had my share of these bad punts and, deep down I think, most of them are because the girls are in a kind of economic vicious circle. They're not cut out for it, for whatever reason (usually psychological) and they hate it. But, the money, even though they don't get any repeats at all, is still better (or no worse) than the kind of work they would get in the real world, either in the UK or at home if they're EE. So they feel they're stuck with it.

It's a bit like what you say above about the round about way. But maybe it's economic "coercion" rather than trafficking. Of course that's always been there, for millennia.

It's a part of the feminist anti-prostitution agenda that I agree with. It may be that for some WGs the "choice" isn't a real choice at all but it's not always to do with drugs or slavery, it's much less dramatic and chronic. It's to do with the gross economic equalities in our society between rich and poor. Some, quite a lot, make a success of the Belle de Jour choice and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that but a good proportion don't.

I'm not saying there isn't trafficking but I imagine a trafficked girl will be more than just not good at the job. I'm ready to be proved wrong, though; maybe I've misjudged (and overthought) the whole thing and the above argument is not only fluffy but, much worse, complacent.

Maybe a WG perspective on this would be useful.


Offline BristolP

There are some negative reviews about bait and switch girls that I read and think are dodge, or numbers of girls working using a single profile. This is one of the reasons I stick to WGs who how have plenty of positive AW feedback and have been working in the area for some time. I have always been watching a WGs profile for a number of months before I contact them, This way I think I am safe from meeting a WG who has been forced.

I understand this is not many punters punting style and that I am not seeing the number of different WGs as some.

You are more likely to be using forced labour if you eat in a Chinese Restraint.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2013, 10:17:41 AM by BristolP »

Offline 4by4

Has anyone dared to ask a WG that they have seen if she is indeed not doing the job of her own free will?  Or have you not asked because you are worried that the answer that you receive will not be the one that you want to hear?

Offline BristolP

Has anyone dared to ask a WG that they have seen if she is indeed not doing the job of her own free will?  Or have you not asked because you are worried that the answer that you receive will not be the one that you want to hear?

I assume you are not a punter, but it’s a valid question. The answer from me is that the first time I did ask this. No reason to believe she was forced, and I have seen her several times since. It isn’t a good way to start a meeting with a WG who isn’t forced though. If I had any suspicions about a situation I would walk.

I have an advantage in  this situation because I go for GFE and I look for feedback that indicates how friendly a WG is. A forced girl wouldn’t get this feedback.

It would be naive to believe that that a girl forced into prostitution would be in a position to tell you that she is forced.

I return to my earlier point about are we and the rest of the population as careful about not using forced labour outside punting?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-24380626
Forced prostitution is the Hollywood horror story of forced labour, but the reality is that force labour is not not normally customer facing.

Offline Jimmyredcab



For example... these Romanian girls in the massage parlour... how can I know whether they are there of there own free will or if they were tricked into coming here and are working under some crazy modern-day slave conditions?

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that most of these Romanian girls are controlled by pimps but they were not tricked into entering the UK, even at very low rates with the house taking 50% they are still earning far more than they would back home.  :hi:

Online NightKid

Has anyone dared to ask a WG that they have seen if she is indeed not doing the job of her own free will?  Or have you not asked because you are worried that the answer that you receive will not be the one that you want to hear?

I do ask WGs about their work/boss whenever I'm alerted to the presence of a pimp in the picture and I've received 'all-okay' responses so far.

Mind you, only 2 or so out of 10 I'd punt with would give me the impression that they're pimped as I find myself more & more attracted to the mid-market indies nowadays because of their reliability.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Has anyone dared to ask a WG that they have seen if she is indeed not doing the job of her own free will?  Or have you not asked because you are worried that the answer that you receive will not be the one that you want to hear?

If the girl is being forced to work do you honestly think she would confide in a total stranger --------- dream on.   :rolleyes:

Online NightKid

If the girl is being forced to work do you honestly think she would confide in a total stranger --------- dream on.   :rolleyes:

But if she was truly being forced to work against her will, why wouldn't she want to send for help?  :unknown:

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But if she was truly being forced to work against her will, why wouldn't she want to send for help?  :unknown:

Try fear.

Offline Jimmyredcab

But if she was truly being forced to work against her will, why wouldn't she want to send for help?  :unknown:

Threats against her family back home.  ???

Online NightKid

Try fear.

Even when you're afraid, I believe survival instincts will still take precedence. How else would you explain all those news articles about sex slaves who managed to escape their captors?

Threats against her family back home.  ???

Edit: Fair point ... but I think there are many, forced into prostitution, who do not remain that way forever.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2013, 01:46:49 PM by NightKid »

Offline Jimmyredcab



Edit: Fair point ... but I think there are many, forced into prostitution, who do not remain that way forever.

I dispute that huge numbers of girls are forced into prostitution in this country, the massive police operation called Pentameter 1&2 proved that beyond any doubt, they found many girls were trafficked but not against their will.

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Most trafficked women would not tell a stranger to her that she was forced etc as she never knows if her pimps have sent that client in to find out.  A pimp who forces girls will no doubt warn them that they will do this time to time so that the girls don't speak to anyone about it as  it is a way to control them and ensure they don't ask a client for help.

I would also imagine most forced girls would have a very big smile planted on their faces for fear of being beaten or raped if they get complaints and would act as nice and friendly as possible to ensure their own safety

The cold hard women are normally just women who hate this job but like the money or who don't plan on being around very long and want quick cash as being forced and acting cold and hard would bring complaints and therefor beatings or worse

I should imagine they learn to act happy and interested very quickly in such circumstances especially if they don't speak English at all and have no idea of what help they can receive.  I would think this would be more for the orientals though as they don't know how things work in the UK or Europe and English is not part of the school curriculum like it is in most European countries.  Most Europeans know that help is out there if they need it unless they are from very remote villages or never went to school they do get a chance to run away they can get help whereas most Orientals have no idea that help is available to them as they have no visa they assume no one will help and they will be sent back home which means they will just get hurt or re trafficked so are scared of going to the police

Offline smiths

I gave my views on the Midlands raid thread below. As a punter all i have to go on is my best judgement, i have never knowingly punted with a woman i knew had been forced/coerced, whether i have unknowingly who knows.

In my experience and observations its much more likely a WG has a pimp she agrees to pay a set cut to who provides her the premises to work out, does her advertising and offers her some security, than who forced/coerces her. Force/Coercion must happen but there is no PROOF its as widespread as the anti-prostitution brigade say. Show me the evidence of convictions and i will believe it is.

Some women agree to be voluntarily trafficked in the hope of making a better life here than at home so although still a crime that should be severly punished if the traffickers get convicted its not the same as using force/coercion of course.

I hope traffickers are caught and dealt with and any forced/coerced women helped and supported.

Literally ANY WG might be being coerced for all i would know as definite, it could be her partner wanting money for getting pissed up in the pub, i just wouldnt know as i am not privvy to a WGs real private set-up.

This subject will no doubt be used by Harriet Harridan if Labour get back in as reason to criminalise ALL punters, just as she used unproven figures of 4000 trafficked women to get her coercion law through which came into force on 1/4/2010. She is on a crusade along with her anti ilk like Julie Bindel and that wont be stopping thats for sure in my view.

Offline smiths

Most trafficked women would not tell a stranger to her that she was forced etc as she never knows if her pimps have sent that client in to find out.  A pimp who forces girls will no doubt warn them that they will do this time to time so that the girls don't speak to anyone about it as  it is a way to control them and ensure they don't ask a client for help.

I would also imagine most forced girls would have a very big smile planted on their faces for fear of being beaten or raped if they get complaints and would act as nice and friendly as possible to ensure their own safety

The cold hard women are normally just women who hate this job but like the money or who don't plan on being around very long and want quick cash as being forced and acting cold and hard would bring complaints and therefor beatings or worse

I should imagine they learn to act happy and interested very quickly in such circumstances especially if they don't speak English at all and have no idea of what help they can receive.  I would think this would be more for the orientals though as they don't know how things work in the UK or Europe and English is not part of the school curriculum like it is in most European countries.  Most Europeans know that help is out there if they need it unless they are from very remote villages or never went to school they do get a chance to run away they can get help whereas most Orientals have no idea that help is available to them as they have no visa they assume no one will help and they will be sent back home which means they will just get hurt or re trafficked so are scared of going to the police

Indeed, and some Oriental/Thai women are also trafficked on Bonds that need paying back, they might have agreed to them but those that got them here still want paying. The Bond of course is many times more than the costs involved in getting them here.

Offline smiths

I dispute that huge numbers of girls are forced into prostitution in this country, the massive police operation called Pentameter 1&2 proved that beyond any doubt, they found many girls were trafficked but not against their will.

They found about 400-500 of which many were voluntarily trafficked and the conviction rate from Pentameters 1 and 2 were extremely low. Since then ALL the figures bandied about by the police and Harridan are guesses with no evidence by conviction backing them up.

Its clear and planned mis-information by the antis to further their agendas with much of the media only too happy to help. :hi:

Curious6705

When the law was first changed at Harman's instigation I asked a WG if she was working of her own free will. She laughed and said yes she was - a little bemused by the question. She hadn't heard of the change in the law, but recalled who Harman was when I mentioned her name, and was quite scathing and uncomplimentary about her.

Harman's definition of trafficked is so broad it seems to include anyone helped to come here. I know a number of people, born and bred here, who have migrated to more economically developed countries, such as the US, to improve their economic prospects. They've usually been helped by their employers. Presumably they were "voluntarily trafficked". The only material difference seems to be they weren't WGs.

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When the law was first changed at Harman's instigation I asked a WG if she was working of her own free will. She laughed and said yes she was - a little bemused by the question. She hadn't heard of the change in the law, but recalled who Harman was when I mentioned her name, and was quite scathing and uncomplimentary about her.

Harman's definition of trafficked is so broad it seems to include anyone helped to come here. I know a number of people, born and bred here, who have migrated to more economically developed countries, such as the US, to improve their economic prospects. They've usually been helped by their employers. Presumably they were "voluntarily trafficked". The only material difference seems to be they weren't WGs.

It also supposedly includes anyone who drives a woman offering sexual services to her place of work or a booking with a client.

Online NightKid

I dispute that huge numbers of girls are forced into prostitution in this country, the massive police operation called Pentameter 1&2 proved that beyond any doubt, they found many girls were trafficked but not against their will.

You've misunderstood me a little. What I meant is ... among those who are forced into prostitution for whatever reason, I'd like to expect that they do not stay as such for the rest of their lives.
Perhaps how I should've worded it was, "I think many who are forced into prostitution, do not remain that way forever."

Edit: And to think that I had edited that line, prior.  :blush:
« Last Edit: October 19, 2013, 02:46:14 PM by NightKid »

Offline Nemo

In forty years of punting, the only time it has ever entered my head that a sex worker might have been coerced was in a lap-dancing club in another country. She was a tall and very beautiful blonde Polish woman in her mid-20’s. The extent to which the dancers at these establishments allow themselves to be touched varied considerably and was at their own discretion, but every dancer would normally allow at least her breasts to be fondled. Not this lady, though, and everything about her body language seemed to betoken a deep unhappiness at what she was doing. We regulars at the afternoon performances were all very gentlemanly, and refrained from touching her when she sat in our laps except gently in the most unerogenous areas, encouraging her with friendly smiles and applause. But as the weeks went by she got into it more and more, becoming one of the most uninhibited performers. I once teased her about her debut and she roared with laughter: ‘Yes, takes a bit of getting used to at first,’ she admitted. She married a wealthy businessman (who I think used to come to the place) and left the trade, but she still dropped in occasionally afterwards to say hello to old colleagues and members of the public.

I have been known to ask a girl how she got into doing this... how did she get here.... what's her plans for the future... with varying responses ranging from "I don't understand what you say"... to "I do this because I love meeting all these interesting men and the lifestyle it brings me..." (that was an English girl of course)...

I once thought about going in with a sheet of a4 paper with various statements writtten in Romanian saying : "I am choosing to do this for myself", "I am working for somebody else and I want to get out of this situation" with a note about "I will not tell anybody other than the anonymous crime stoppers and you will be helped out of this situation"... but it was an unrealistic thought I think.

Hi J,

Yeah....I know what you mean. Also agree about not wanting any part in trafficking and/or slavery.

But I think the majority of these cold girls with no other signs aren't, in the overwhelming majority, trafficked. If you're trafficked etc. the trauma must be such that there will be signs, some subtle but some not.

I've had my share of these bad punts and, deep down I think, most of them are because the girls are in a kind of economic vicious circle. They're not cut out for it, for whatever reason (usually psychological) and they hate it. But, the money, even though they don't get any repeats at all, is still better (or no worse) than the kind of work they would get in the real world, either in the UK or at home if they're EE. So they feel they're stuck with it.

It's a bit like what you say above about the round about way. But maybe it's economic "coercion" rather than trafficking. Of course that's always been there, for millennia.

It's a part of the feminist anti-prostitution agenda that I agree with. It may be that for some WGs the "choice" isn't a real choice at all but it's not always to do with drugs or slavery, it's much less dramatic and chronic. It's to do with the gross economic equalities in our society between rich and poor. Some, quite a lot, make a success of the Belle de Jour choice and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that but a good proportion don't.

I'm not saying there isn't trafficking but I imagine a trafficked girl will be more than just not good at the job. I'm ready to be proved wrong, though; maybe I've misjudged (and overthought) the whole thing and the above argument is not only fluffy but, much worse, complacent.

Maybe a WG perspective on this would be useful.

Quality answer... I agree with all that you say here.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2013, 03:47:55 PM by jaydefo24 »

« Last Edit: October 19, 2013, 03:48:27 PM by jaydefo24 »

Offline manc36

Ok ok I screwed up here.

I would hate to think I have seen a girl who has been trafficked, hopefully it's much less likely as a very rarely punt with EE girls. I have seen some profiles of EE girls who look miserable, dead eyes.

I hate pimps too, so if I get any inkling or feeling that a woman isn't keeping all the cash and a pimp is involved then I don't bother. I doubt it's fool proof but works for me.


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