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Offline kriegar

Hi everyone :)

Im new here so go easy on me haha.

Right basically I am a professional web developer and have been having a gander at the independent escort sites and I don't know if its just me thats noticed this but the sites I have come across have been fucking terrible, the closest I have come to an acceptable site has been Adult Work.

So  since i'm a web developer (and an opportunist :P) I thought id create a new site to fill that need.

I have just started development on the site and thought id come on a couple of forums and get an idea of what you guys would like to see and what you wouldn't want to see in an independent escort site.

Just to clarify, I am not doing this to empty your pockets, the site will function along the lines of sites like Adult work but will be more streamlined , better looking and more functional.

Anyhoo enough of my ramblings, if you have any opinions on this then it would be greatly appreciated :)

Offline CatBBW

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"Independent escort website" and "Adultwork" type website are 2 different things.

Are you wanting to make something like Adultwork? Or are you wanting to offer your services to indie escorts who want their own site?

Offline kriegar

"Independent escort website" and "Adultwork" type website are 2 different things.

Are you wanting to make something like Adultwork? Or are you wanting to offer your services to indie escorts who want their own site?

I'm talking about something like Adultwork, sorry as I say I am relatively new to the whole escorting thing (hopefully meeting my first escort next week :D).

But yeah basically an escort directory with features for things like webcams, videos, blogs, forums and any other features that you guys would like to see implemented.


Offline kriegar

Just another little thought, do you guys think you would find any use in a mobile app?, once the site is developed I would consider creating apps for android and iphone if there was a demand for it.

Glad to hear it. We're in dire need of a good adultwork competitor, and if I had the know how I'd have done it myself.

1. Feedback
The main benefit of adultwork for the punters is the feedback system. While it's still a bit shit in that the setup means everyone tends to leave positive reviews regardless, it does feel a lot safer and more reliable than without it. Without any feedback system, you take it on blind faith that an escort's profile is correct and that you're not going to get screwed (in the bad way that is, ba dum tsh). While it's flawed on AW, it at least lets you catch out the scammers far more easily.

You also need to heavily encourage people to actually leave feedback. Many sites have a reviews section, but they're completely empty. Girls on AW sometimes don't bother leaving any either.

Encourage honesty in the feedback. I actually think this takes less priority than the above two. If you had an anonymous system, or a way you could never see your own feedback, people would be more honest in their reviews. However, if people don't actually leave feedback at all, then honesty is irrelevant; more important that there's feedback to weed out the scammers in the first place.

So, one suggestion could be:
- make the feedback system the central part of the process (give it pride of place, easy to view, etc)
- encourage people to leave feedback for each other, either through reminders after any booking, or incentives like a free reverse booking every 5 feedback review
- have positive feedback only appear when both parties have left theirs (e.g. if I make a booking with a girl, then the next day I leave her feedback, she doesn't get it on her profile until she's left feedback for me) in order to encourage users to leave feedback, and promote honesty, since with AW you're obliged to leave a positive review or risk her seeing it then giving you a nasty one out of spite. Negative feedback goes straight through to avoid scammers from dodging feedback
- consider options like anonymising/randomising (i.e. doesn't appear for a while after the feedback has been left, to mix up who it could be) feedback to encourage honesty

2. Paid options in AW
I actually don't think it's too bad having paid private galleries and paid reverse bookings in order to make money off the site. With paid galleries though you'd need a heavy amount of monitoring to clear up the scams, and you'd need to ensure there's clarity on what people are paying for (no "my face is in my private gallery" then not having it there after you've paid).

3. Easier to pay money into the site
AW is a complete mess if you want to add credits. Make it far simpler, with more options, particularly cards accepted.

4. Emails read/unread/deleted
Good feature on AW is that you can see when your mail's been read or deleted. Lets you sift out who's ignoring you from who's just not checked their messages.

5. Reverse bookings
May be worth looking at making reverse bookings a major part of the site rather than just a niche paid option. Depends how you can get income I guess, not entirely sure how AWs income breaks down. I think AW spins paying as "proving you're genuinely interested in the booking", but WGs screw punters around and turn up/bail at the last minute too yet they don't have to do this.

Might be worthwhile asking on SAAFE what they'd be looking for too. One girl showed me a few features you get on AW as a prossie, and there's a bunch of safety shit like showing you all the profiles someone has at that IP/MAC address (to stop a punter from making a profile, getting outed as a bad guy in feedback, then just making a new one).

Other than the above, just the usual, pictures, lists of optional main likes/dislikes to cover the obvious questions, rates, stay vigilante for scammers, maybe a verification system, etc.

Offline kriegar

Thanks for the great feedback KingCharming.

To add to what you said about the feedback system, I am thinking instead of having just a positive or negative score with a comment it could have a star rating system, or possibly even seperate 5 star ratings for different aspects of the meet, so you could give 3 stars for the accommodation but give 5 for how good the meet was for example.

In respects to monitoring scammers, this can be quite difficult, it will however be one of my top priorities.
What I can do for the private galleries would be to have a reporting system and if the claims turn out to be true, for example if they claimed to have face pictures in a private gallery or just had duplicates, then I could refund the tokens back to the user and suspend the account until changes were made. something along those lines.

What I will be doing too is logging the IP address that the account was registered with so that you cannot have multiple accounts under the one IP address without contacting an admin and having it verified (I will implement a simple system for this), this should cut back on scammers creating multiple accounts.

I didn't know that you could check if your emails had been read on AW, will definitely be implementing that. I will also make it more visible that you have received an email and send out email notifications when you receive an email from a user. thats something that got up my nose with AW.

Ill have a good look into the reverse booking system, I originally didnt think this was something that was used often but what I could do for this is to have it paid like on AW however have it only charge you if you have a successful booking, I know I wouldnt like to make a reverse booking to end up with nothing but a dent in my wallet haha. It could also be a free service but ill see how it turns out further into development.

I'm actually just waiting for my SAAFE account to be accepted then ill be posting on there too :).

Anyways aye thanks again for the awesome feedback there man, you have sparked off a few new ideas in my head already :D.




Offline Festisio

Good luck.  Many have gone before you and all have failed.

You should definitely spend more time on AW as you seem unaware of some of its more basic features and yet you proclaim you're going to make a website that has even more functionality!

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Offline ParisB

if your going to take on a site like aw  then you need to get the escorts on board first 

So you need to let them advertise for free essentially or so that is appears to be free,  thats the only reason why aw is been taken up by all and sundry because initially its a free profile  if escorts had to pay to advertise your profile then it wouldn't be half as good

and before anyone says anything  yes you pay for your number to show, to feature , to be available today but in my experience of this business most girls do not want to spend much money if any money on advertising unless they have to    It actually works out to be quite expensive i.e.
£7 a week to show your phone number  £10.50 a week to show in local searches and £35 a week if you want to show as available today
so over £50 a week  and i spend around £50 a week on advertising my own website in other places and directories as well as aw

Even now when AW went down and lost girls a lot of business i got emails from several girls asking me about getting a website but I have yet to see any of them actually do this ( and this was back in april )    its bad business sense to have your eggs all in one basket but many still do this 


 

Offline smiths

Hi everyone :)

Im new here so go easy on me haha.

Right basically I am a professional web developer and have been having a gander at the independent escort sites and I don't know if its just me thats noticed this but the sites I have come across have been fucking terrible, the closest I have come to an acceptable site has been Adult Work.

So  since i'm a web developer (and an opportunist :P) I thought id create a new site to fill that need.

I have just started development on the site and thought id come on a couple of forums and get an idea of what you guys would like to see and what you wouldn't want to see in an independent escort site.

Just to clarify, I am not doing this to empty your pockets, the site will function along the lines of sites like Adult work but will be more streamlined , better looking and more functional.

Anyhoo enough of my ramblings, if you have any opinions on this then it would be greatly appreciated :)

What i am interested in is a location tool for locating WGs in my area, i only do business with those that display a phone number and i dont spend one penny on credits.

If you create such a site i will use it but i wont be spending my  money on anything other than actually punting with the WGs i locate, no spending on private galleries in my case which in my view should be free.

A/W is run by low life scumbags with no interest in helping punters, if you re-dress that you might get more punters attracted to your site in my opinion.

Offline rpg

Honesty above all else. The first thing being their true nationality. A submitted scan of their passport will give a verification pic (of sorts) and their nationality. No passport no listing. This will also reflect well on you as you can claim you're doing your bit to weed out trafficked girls.

Offline Barry Shipton

if your going to take on a site like aw  then you need to get the escorts on board first 


I was going to suggest looking at Paris Bs sticky thread on SAAFE because she has years of experience using these sites and obviously knows what works but she beat me to it, and you're already trying to join SAAFE.

But the best technology and design in the world will just cost you loads and bring in nothing unless you have the content - so before us punters will bother using it you need decent content from reliable girls. Look at Escorts-England, good design and good technology - but no one uses it (the Scotland one gets more use I read).

But auto-censored, pretty basic but it gets the traffic. But then you'll know this if you've looked at Alexa and seen what ranks. And as Catherine the Great says you've got to work out your business model because AW is different from the listings sites.

Most new sites seem to fail because they just rip content or pics off the web and sometimes just make it up - hacking off escorts and punters. Wakaroad doesn't seem to know if it's a dating agency or booking site and has already hacked off most escorts with bogus accounts.

Personally I hate the webcammers and paid galleries/movies - different market and there's plenty of others out there doing it but if you don't how are you going to make it pay and still give escorts free listings and not charge punters either?

So I hope you've got deep pockets because it will take time (and decent security, see how many times AW has been taken down by DDOS attacks) but who knows - Friends Reunited and Myspace were big before Facebook and one day that will be replaced.

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Offline rpg

I was going to suggest looking at Paris Bs sticky thread on SAAFE because she has years of experience using these sites and obviously knows what works but she beat me to it, and you're already trying to join SAAFE.

But the best technology and design in the world will just cost you loads and bring in nothing unless you have the content - so before us punters will bother using it you need decent content from reliable girls. Look at Escorts-England, good design and good technology - but no one uses it (the Scotland one gets more use I read).

But auto-censored, pretty basic but it gets the traffic. But then you'll know this if you've looked at Alexa and seen what ranks. And as Catherine the Great says you've got to work out your business model because AW is different from the listings sites.

Most new sites seem to fail because they just rip content or pics off the web and sometimes just make it up - hacking off escorts and punters. Wakaroad doesn't seem to know if it's a dating agency or booking site and has already hacked off most escorts with bogus accounts.

Personally I hate the webcammers and paid galleries/movies - different market and there's plenty of others out there doing it but if you don't how are you going to make it pay and still give escorts free listings and not charge punters either?

So I hope you've got deep pockets because it will take time (and decent security, see how many times AW has been taken down by DDOS attacks) but who knows - Friends Reunited and Myspace were big before Facebook and one day that will be replaced.

It's going to be hard work weeding out the fake profiles. Escort England/Scotland are awash with fakes and as such are a joke, only used by innocents.

Offline Kriss

Just wondering why this thread seems to have changed from "What would you want to see in an independent escort website" to "Best genuine massage with happy ending"?  :unknown:


Offline Barry Shipton

Just wondering why this thread seems to have changed from "What would you want to see in an independent escort website" to "Best genuine massage with happy ending"?  :unknown:

I was wondering that too - because that's a thread I posted on at the weekend.

So another piece of advice for Kriegar maybe, whatever technology you use it'll screw at some point?

Offline Kriss

Agreed. I was more interested in the massage thread myself. Anyway  :unknown:

Offline kriegar

Hey again guys,

I get what your saying about getting the content and I will cross that bridge when I get to it, however I have a few months of development ahead of me so Ill get that out the road first ;). Content is king but when its backed up by a sleek user experience it just makes that content easier to get to :D.

Just to clarify to some people too, Making money of this isnt high up on my priority lists (obviously its on there somewhere :P), the only things that will be charged for will be little things that you would expect like private galleries and webcams and things of that nature, but yeah it will be as open as possible.

To the people saying I don't know what im talking about... I have spent countless hours on AW, I have looked at the functionality for both punters and escorts, id be a pretty shitty developer if I didnt explore whats out there haha. I'm not just some college student sitting in his dorm room(although thats how facebook started!), I have worked on multi million pound websites in the past, so I have credible experience when it comes to this sort of thing ;).

I am hoping the methods I will implement to catch spammers will be better than what is on AW, however obviously there will be a few that may end up slipping through the net, so that would come down to the community reporting them.

As you guys can tell I am pretty open with my ideas and I will be integrating a forum with the site where I will keep in contact with the punters and get constant feedback, its not a case of here is what you have take it or leave it like on AW.

Thanks again guys for the advice, keep it coming, the more ideas I get the better the end result will be :)

Offline kriegar

Oh and one more thing, I am not going to be putting up fake profiles to get the site going haha, I want to create an awareness of the site early on so that when it goes into a live beta I will have people waiting to sign up.

Offline sarahjayneleeds

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As already said I think the main thing you would need to market your site on is that you try to ensure the girls are as genuine as you possibly can. Genuine escorts won't  mind jumping through a few extra hoops to be verified and to advertise on a site that has a good reputation within the industry as trying to weed out scam artists and sort of gives her a seal of approval to being a genuine escort which she can use in her marketing elsewhere, similar to having a positive review on here. :) It  also gives the Client confidence to know the girl has had to make a bit of an effort to create a profile rather than just throw something together.

I don't webcam but I do escort, so here is how I would do it if I had the knowledge:

1) All ladies must be verified if they don't want to be then they simply can't advertise. All ID used in the verification process should be checked the nationality and the DOB should be as advertised on the profile, if not it should be amended accordingly. Take time to make sure the picture sent matches the body we have all seen lady's profiles and the verification photo is a bloke. All profile's need to be re-verified every 6 months to cut down on bait and switch, and profiles being sold on.

2) If possible, all pictures uploaded to the site/profile should be subject to an image search if not all then at least the main profile picture and again if it changes, to avoid some lingerie model in Germany being called sallysuckscock on the site. This also allows the punter to compare the main profile picture with others that appear on the profile to make sure it's the same girl. Maybe even go as far as to not allow heavily photoshopped pictures on the site, allow airbrushing out distinguishing features such as  tattoos etc but not photo-shopped within an inch of it's life so it looks nothing like the girl in real life which could also prevent a lot being lifted from the net.

3) Allow ladies to have PG but if they are advertising as escorts hold the funds in escrow till they have accrued 3 escort feedbacks from what you deem as genuine punters. Deduction's can be made from the held funds for displaying phone numbers, available today etc but cannot be withdrawn. If they don't want the credits to be held then don't let them have a PG till they have said feedback. If they just want to provide just a  PG then fine let them have the credits straight away the escort box  must remain unticked to stop ladies posing as escorts when they have no intention of escorting. If they tick the escort box in the meantime to gain extra views then the feedback rule kicks in and credits are held. 

4) Credits are only paid to the registered name of the person who joined the site, this should be a female name obviously to avoid pimps and scammers and paid by cheque or BACS only so they need an account in that name which also needs to match the name and ID used for verification. The current system on AW is an open invitation for gallery scams I could withdraw my credits now from my profile and get them paid into anyone's account by just be amending the payment details.

5) Don't use the notes system it's open to abuse and there are plenty of other places to place warnings.  Just because someone asks in an email for bareback he can end up being labelled as dangerous if you decide to use them then at least make sure the profile name is attached to the note to make people think twice before typing then at least someone viewing can contact them and get the reasoning behind the note.

6) Don't allow ladies to contact clients unless previous contact has been made but do allow punters to contact other  punters to exchange information with honesty, again possibly using the feedback rule to avoid them being spammed for wank material. 

Well there's my thoughts on the matter not sure how practical they are to put into place. But as I said at the beginning if you can provide a site for providers and seekers alike that instill's a little bit of confidence in trying to be a honest place, the ladies will place an ad as they are not labelled with the scammers as they are on AW and  punters know that every effort is being made by the site to try and ensure ladies are genuine.

Good luck :)

Offline kriegar

Thanks sarah :),

Yeah I will be making user verification a big thing on the site, That should be a strong first line of defence against spammers/scammers, its a pain in the ass having to wait for it I know but in the end it will be a big part in keeping the site clean.

I have also noticed there is quite a lot of inactive escorts on AW, I will be implementing methods to clean this up too so that only active escorts will appear in the search results.

I also like the idea of doing an image search on posted images, I will only be able to do this to a certain point however since I will be a one man army at the start of this and I will have to deal with bug fixing of the site, incoming verification requests, help requests and keeping up an appearance on the forum, So once the site starts to grow I will have to find trustworthy moderators to help with this.

 

Offline Gluckman

Allow individual profiles to be opened across multiple tabs.

One of my biggest bugbears with aw is having to go back to the search results every time.

Offline kriegar

Yeah I noticed that, its a pain in the ass to navigate, I also noticed that sometimes their back button doesn't always take you back to where you were you were!.

But aye that wont be a problem here :)

Offline Stukey

Firstly I am going to see if SarahJayneLeeds is available to run my business!.

I can only speak for Norfolk, but many of the ladies on AW, have three profiles — different names, different phone numbers. You cannot save searches, which means everytime I want to look you have to re-enter the criteria. I quite like AdsDating as supposedly the girls have to update everyday so you know who is available and who's having a day off. — Same as back page, however I get up very early to cook breakfast for an hotel, and regularly half the days updates have been done already.

What really pisses me off is the profile with private gallery, no phone number, that moves daily around the country — Recently the non existent girl was in Norfolk, next day Nottingham, next day Co Down, next Middlesborough and so on. Another thing that appears to happen with some of the asians/Thais/orientals in Norwich is 'bait and switch" and a mechanism for reporting this is desperately needed.

Offline kriegar

Yeah reporting will be something that will actually be recognized and used, that along side the forums.

As for having to put in the details all the time, what I was thinking for this was to have you put in some details when you sign up like your post code and distance you would be willing to travel and I can use that as a default so that every time you log in it will show you the escorts in your area, this will be able to be modified in a sidebar where the search results are obviously, along with more advanced search features.

Offline CatBBW

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Allow members to have more than one profile, as long as they're all completely different and all verified.

For example - at the moment on AW I can only have 1 offering services solo profile. This has to do the job for everything, so my webcamming, escorting, domination, massage, adult baby services all have to sit under the same profile. It gets confusing for me, let alone punters, and is bound to put people off.

So if I could have a different profile for each of my different personas, I would be happy.


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