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Offline Daffodil

NightKid kissed and had unprotected oral sex (owo and ro) with a prossie who was later claimed to be HIV positive. So he went to the clinic and fortunately had a negative HIV test. He then, however, states that this disproves the claim that she is HIV positive.

Is he right?

In my opinion, and in others' who commented on that thread, no he isn't. To be right, you would have to have a 100% chance of contracting HIV from a HIV positive person with the above methods of sexual contact. Even if you bareback fuck a HIV positive person you do not have a 100% chance of contracting HIV.

I think it's an important point to make. It never ceases to amaze me some people's ignorance regarding sexual health. I also think it's dangerous for people to make such definite claims as 'I have disproved that Prossie A is HIV positive', when based on such illogical reasoning.

To be clear, the question here has nothing to do with 'can you contract HIV from owo, ro, or dfk'. I believe it is possible, but is exceedingly unlikely. The poll also has nothing to do with the prossie the issue first arose over, and I started this thread mainly to move it away from her.

Offline Jayjay

This shouldn't be a poll because there is a factual answer.

If i recall correctly, the chances of a man getting HIV from a woman who was infected was something like 1 in a 1000 with unprotected sex and cummin
the problem i think was when you cum you can suck some of the juices back and that is what was dangerous

Im quite sure that someone is gonna correct me! but this post is without googling.

to say that the prossie is clear, is too silly for words

Offline Daffodil

This shouldn't be a poll because there is a factual answer.

Tell us your answer jayjay. I agree there is a factual answer, but some don't appear to see it.

NightKid kissed and had unprotected oral sex (owo and ro) with a prossie who was later claimed to be HIV positive. So he went to the clinic and fortunately had a negative HIV test. He then, however, states that this disproves the claim that she is HIV positive.

Is he right?

In my opinion, and in others' who commented on that thread, no he isn't. To be right, you would have to have a 100% chance of contracting HIV from a HIV positive person with the above methods of sexual contact. Even if you bareback fuck a HIV positive person you do not have a 100% chance of contracting HIV.

I think it's an important point to make. It never ceases to amaze me some people's ignorance regarding sexual health. I also think it's dangerous for people to make such definite claims as 'I have disproved that Prossie A is HIV positive', when based on such illogical reasoning.

To be clear, the question here has nothing to do with 'can you contract HIV from owo, ro, or dfk'. I believe it is possible, but is exceedingly unlikely. The poll also has nothing to do with the prossie the issue first arose over, and I started this thread mainly to move it away from her.

There are some interesting rate of infection by activity figures here:

http://www.aidsmap.com/Estimated-risk-per-exposure/page/1324038/

Clearly you have a very low chance of contracting HIV from a single encounter with an infected person, especially with oral only.

Offline NightKid

If you are going to ask others to fight your battles for you, at least give them the full picture.  :rolleyes:

1) Original review for acts performed and context - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=16306.msg253712#msg253712
2) Arrival of the obviously bogus claim - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=16306.msg257802#msg257802
3) Start of the debate - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=16306.msg270748#msg270748

Offline Daffodil

There are some interesting rate of infection by activity figures here:

http://www.aidsmap.com/Estimated-risk-per-exposure/page/1324038/

Clearly you have a very low chance of contracting HIV from a single encounter with an infected person, especially with oral only.

I think I have quoted these before. Even being the receptive anal partner of a HIV positive individual you have less than a 1% risk of contracting HIV. The risk is far less than is often thought.

There are some interesting rate of infection by activity figures here:

http://www.aidsmap.com/Estimated-risk-per-exposure/page/1324038/

Clearly you have a very low chance of contracting HIV from a single encounter with an infected person, especially with oral only.

Thank you for that post.
I knew the figures were surpisingly large

Offline Daffodil

If you are going to ask others to fight your battles for you, at least give them the full picture.  :rolleyes:

1) Original review for acts performed and context - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=16306.msg253712#msg253712
2) Arrival of the obviously bogus claim - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=16306.msg257802#msg257802
3) Start of the debate - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=16306.msg270748#msg270748

I tried to move it away from your thread as you kept claiming I was making aspersions about the girl involved. I'm not.

You said you had a negative HIV test so that disproved the claim that somebody else has made that she is HIV positive.

That's what this poll is about.

Offline NightKid

I tried to move it away from your thread as you kept claiming I was making aspersions about the girl involved. I'm not.

You said you had a negative HIV test so that disproved the claim that somebody else has made that she is HIV positive.

That's what this poll is about.

When you quote individual cases to use as an example, context always matters.

Offline smiths

There is no proof of anything regarding the WG. The only way there could be definite proof is if you went with her to get tested and went back with her or had her phone where they texted the results of said tests.

Anything else relies on you taking her word for it which i for one wouldnt ever do where my health is concerned. I do what is 100% definite, look after my own health and believe no WGs word.

Offline Daffodil

When you quote individual cases to use as an example, context always matters.

I was tempted not to even use your nickname here, but I'd already typed the post and removing it at that point required a fair bit of work.

The question is simply as stated: if Punter A has a negative HIV test does that prove Prossie B, who Punter A had owo, ro, and dfk with, is also negative?

Offline riker

Wonder what exposure means? Does it mean each stroke of your dick going into her or each sex session or something else?

Offline Daffodil

Wonder what exposure means? Does it mean each stroke of your dick going into her or each sex session or something else?

I take it as meaning per act, i.e. per blowjob or per fuck. I don't think you could study 'per stroke'...you would have to have one stroke, go get checked over the six month period, go have another single stroke, get checked again and so on.

Offline Banquo

I think the question has been answered completely by Smiths, but to digress slightly and at the risk of stating the obvious, the aidsmap table of risk by exposure will be based on the general population. If it were possible to drill down to a sub group - say European sex workers that regularly offer BB vaginal/anal intercourse, the risk factors would most likely increase. Any increase in risk would be unacceptable to me, but each to their own.

I think the question has been answered completely by Smiths, but to digress slightly and at the risk of stating the obvious, the aidsmap table of risk by exposure will be based on the general population. If it were possible to drill down to a sub group - say European sex workers that regularly offer BB vaginal/anal intercourse, the risk factors would most likely increase. Any increase in risk would be unacceptable to me, but each to their own.

The Chart shows the chances with infected people. :dash:

Maybe you think european sex workers have a more virulent strain?

I never knew there was HIV and HIV lite

Offline sarahjayneleeds

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The question is simply as stated: if Punter A has a negative HIV test does that prove Prossie B, who Punter A had owo, ro, and dfk with, is also negative?

The feedback on the girl is probably malicious but in answer to the above No it doesn't prove anything IMO.

See here from the Terrence Higgins trust http://www.tht.org.uk/sexual-health/HIV-STIs/Sex-and-risk/Oral-sex which states the risks of transmission are extremely low.

Nightkid's post saying because he is negative  it disproves that the lady in question is  positive is IMO on par with someone saying she didn't have flu because I kissed her and I didn't get it so she can't have flu.  :unknown:

Offline Banquo

ah, I got it a bit wrong, sorry. I suppose I should have commented on the likelihood of actually meeting someone with HIV as being the best way to avoid being exposed to the risks set out in the table.

If you are going to ask others to fight your battles for you, at least give them the full picture.  :rolleyes:

1) Original review for acts performed and context - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=16306.msg253712#msg253712
2) Arrival of the obviously bogus claim - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=16306.msg257802#msg257802
3) Start of the debate - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=16306.msg270748#msg270748

An all clear for you  is in no way an all clear for her & does anyone know the incubation period for HIV cos me thinking if this punt took place in August you may not be out of the woods yet

Offline Jayjay

Tell us your answer jayjay. I agree there is a factual answer, but some don't appear to see it.

As others have mentioned and have probably provided references. I am unsure of the figures regarding risk of transmission - but it's obviously very clear. If you had anal sex with a male HIV +ve, IV drug abuser with open sores in his anus paired with your cock being unprotected with a open cut in it - which would mean the risk of transmission was significantly high. How would you testing -ve mean he is negative???

For punters;
Any unprotected sex carries the risk of transmission
DFK is safe
OWO risk is very low but still exists
If you think you may be at risk consider the incubation period before testing
Remember other diseases that can be transmitted

Offline dilettante

I can never understand why people do the lottery as the chances of getting HIV by OWO or of being knocked down by a bus are significantly higher than winning it.

Offline berksboy

  You could always go to your local STD clinic were they KNOW about this stuff and can give you real FACTS.

  BTW my vote was a no how any one could vote yes i dont know  :dash:

One individual having a negative test does not in any way indicate another individual that person has had sexual contact with is negative as well. To suggest otherwise is utter stupidity.


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