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Offline iibleys

So i started my punting career a little over 6 months ago (was researching and exploring for a year before that) and am barely hitting double figures with regards to the number of service providers i have seen... so suffice to say im rather new and still have a lot to learn.

A few things i found interesting with regards to pricing, i would like to share and get others opinion on.

1) Pricing within Central London is at a higher rate compared to the Greater London area, which is to be expected. However, the price fluctuation between greater London and the surrounding counties does not appear to be as great, if any at all. I found this somewhat strange as i thought places like Luton for example would be cheaper. Do you think its a simple supply and demand issue?

2) Service providers appear to fall into certain price brackets based on ethnicity. Now obviously there are exceptions, but the general rule appears to be as follows:

                                                     ATTRACTIVE                             NOT SO ATTRACTIVE
                                                 1/2h               h                            1/2h                   h
Romanian                               £50/£60         £80/£100                 £40/£50             £60/£70
Hungarian (other EU)              £60/£70         £80/£100                  £40/£60             £60/£70
Chinese*                                    -                     -                         £50/£60               £100
Latina/Hispanic                       £60/£80         £100/£130                £50/£60             £80/£100
Indian                                   £100/£150        £130+                    £60/£80               £100+
British                                   £80/£120         £130+                     £60/£90            £100/£120

* Most of what iv read appears to be b&s tactics so hard to say how much the genuine attractive ones are charging, but i would imagine it would be on par with the Indians and Brits
** Generally 'Indians' are Bitish Indians and 'British' includes white, mixed and black

Obviously a gross generalization and caveat with my lack of experience and using local data from a 10 mile radius...

3) What would be interesting to see is how people would rate the ethnic group as service providers.

Attitidude
Range of Service offered
Delivery of Service



 

I would agree London prices are more expensive. I would also agree that the prettier girls will charge a bit more.

For me looks are secondary if I am after a particular service.

Offline iibleys

Attitude - how they present themselves as service providers (friendly, warm, hospitable etc etc).
Range of Service - No specialist service, things like DFK, OWO, RO, Fingering etc would rate higher than light kissing, OW ect.
Service Delivery - How they deliver stated service.

Romanian:                6
Attitude                    2/5
Range of Service       3/5
Service Delivery        1/5

Hungarian:               11
Attitude                    4/5
Range of Service       3/5
Service Delivery        4/5

Chinese:                   8
Attitude                    4/5
Range of Service       1/5
Service Delivery        3/5

Latina/Hispanic          No experience cant comment   
Attitude                   
Range of Service
Service Delivery

Indian                        7
Attitude                     2/5
Range of Service        3/5
Service Delivery         2/5

British                         11
Attitude                      3/5
Range of Service         4/5
Service Delivery          4/5

So in my opinion Hungarians at 11 and in the cheaper price bracket would be the best value for money, Brits around the same but cost more and Indians just take the piss  :lol:

Some how feel that was the general feel on the board anyway  :rolleyes:

Would love to hear others take on it...
« Last Edit: November 23, 2017, 05:05:00 pm by iibleys »

Offline LLPunting

Appreciate the effort OP.

It pretty much follows the distribution of experience born out by punters here who fish in the sub 200 bracket.

The general quality of service delivered is down to both cultural origin influences and circumstances that brought the girl to entering the game e.g. desperate, trafficked, has a business plan.

Will comment further but have to go see a girl about...
« Last Edit: November 23, 2017, 06:09:32 pm by LLPunting »

Offline nigel4498

Good posts OP, appreciate your research and the results are more or less bang on the money.
Have to agree about the Hungarians. Your score would have been higher if you had met the best one, Adele4u

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Your score would have been higher if you had met the best one, Adele4u

Fuck yeah, that girl was off the scale!!  :kissgirl:

Offline iibleys

Good posts OP, appreciate your research and the results are more or less bang on the money.
Have to agree about the Hungarians. Your score would have been higher if you had met the best one, Adele4u

I gather shes no longer around?

Offline Bassman

I gather shes no longer around?

That’s right.

I had hoped to see her when she comes back, I was arranging things, or trying to when she decided it was time for a break for a while .she said she’d return. I heard Back in March that she’s looking real good and that she’d be back soon. But more recently I’ve heard that apparently there is no chance of that.

Damn shame.

Generally I’m in agreement with the scores above. Romanians and most brothel latinas are pretty much the same. A good post, certainly for newbies finding their way around. They’ll kinda know what to expect, generally speaking.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2017, 08:46:23 am by Bassman »

Offline MrMatrix

This an interesting thread. However I think you are underestimating by at least £20. Or probably I've been looking in the wrong place. Good thread OP. :thumbsup:

Offline MrDog

Good post OP
A group that has over inflated prices regardless of location are the Brazilians. Most are priced at £120ph minimum.

Offline mrhappypants

Couple of things.

I am central London punter and never use agencies.  You need to factor rents in to understand what is happening and how much girls are making.  I also think there is some degree of influence of pimps/managers moving the girls around so that the "better" girls get the better locations.  As an example, I notice very central locations (Warren Street) seems to attract pretty but relatively poor SP's who rely on passing trade rather than repeat custom.  Similarly, in and around Canary Wharf typically offers poor value; the SP may be good, but you will be paying a premium that is not reflected in the combination of looks, likes and service.

Second, I agree with Matrix; your prices are too low by at least £20.  The average going rate for a Polish GFE with OWO and FK in London is at or about £100.  It crept up maybe £10 - £20 over the summer but a lot of girls are quiet and struggling to hold the price increase at the moment (*lots* of girls away or only working the first two weeks of the month). English, Black and Asian typically start around £150 per hour; any less than this and you may be looking at a scam.  WG's who charge 20% more than the market  are either unaware, (most likely) trying it, on or maybe offering better looks or a longer service list that justifies the rate.

Below £100 in London you will typically find yourself with a WG who speaks little if any English.  Keep in mind

Ellie Rose, (who I rate as the best GFE in London) speaks fluent English, charges at £130 ph all inclusive.

Enese, fabulous looks (9/10) CIM included, charges £140 ph. 

One might form a view that effusive posts for WG's charging far higher rates than these may have been written from a vested interest...
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Offline iibleys

Couple of things.

I am central London punter and never use agencies.  You need to factor rents in to understand what is happening and how much girls are making.  I also think there is some degree of influence of pimps/managers moving the girls around so that the "better" girls get the better locations.  As an example, I notice very central locations (Warren Street) seems to attract pretty but relatively poor SP's who rely on passing trade rather than repeat custom.  Similarly, in and around Canary Wharf typically offers poor value; the SP may be good, but you will be paying a premium that is not reflected in the combination of looks, likes and service.

Second, I agree with Matrix; your prices are too low by at least £20.  The average going rate for a Polish GFE with OWO and FK in London is at or about £100.  It crept up maybe £10 - £20 over the summer but a lot of girls are quiet and struggling to hold the price increase at the moment (*lots* of girls away or only working the first two weeks of the month). English, Black and Asian typically start around £150 per hour; any less than this and you may be looking at a scam.  WG's who charge 20% more than the market  are either unaware, (most likely) trying it, on or maybe offering better looks or a longer service list that justifies the rate.

Below £100 in London you will typically find yourself with a WG who speaks little if any English.  Keep in mind

Ellie Rose, (who I rate as the best GFE in London) speaks fluent English, charges at £130 ph all inclusive.

Enese, fabulous looks (9/10) CIM included, charges £140 ph. 

One might form a view that effusive posts for WG's charging far higher rates than these may have been written from a vested interest...


Im relatively new to this so its quite possible that im off... however, i think the £20 im off might be because i was largely pooling around the Greater London area in particular the NW as that's where im located and currently my experience is limited to there. I accept that central is obviously going to be more expensive, largely due to rents being a lot higher.

What i was querying, was why is this trend not reflective of outside London, ie why do areas like Luton appear to be similar rates as Wembley? and by extension further up North, where rents are much cheaper and (no offence to ppl from the North) but not generally as affluent as London, i would have expected prices to be lower.

You know i completely forgot to add the Polish WG in the table. They appear to be a degree above Hungarians but below the Brits. Cant comment as overall service providers as i haven't yet been to one yet. 

I find this topic quite interesting, thought I would just add a brief analysis of my experience of prices. This is punting usually in central London, using adultwork and looking for basic GFE.

~£100 entry level for eastern European, plenty of VFM with some providers but I don’t really punt at this range due to it being hit and miss for me.

~£150 Cute/GND British girls and established/well reviewed European providers. I usually punt at this range and find I get the best value here.

~£200 Stunning girls, I find service is usually similar to the establish providers at £150 but just much better looking and generally a more upmarket location.

~£250 I’ve had a mixed bag at this range and haven’t paid this much too often, so I can’t really comment accurately.

£250 is my limit for what I’m after and I don’t believe any girl is worth more than that, so can’t comment on the £250+ providers.

The above is focused on the demand side, if the girl is only part time I find this can also push her up a price bracket due to less days/hours available.

Offline mrhappypants

I find this topic quite interesting, thought I would just add a brief analysis of my experience of prices. This is punting usually in central London, using adultwork and looking for basic GFE.

~£100 entry level for eastern European, plenty of VFM with some providers but I don’t really punt at this range due to it being hit and miss for me.

~£150 Cute/GND British girls and established/well reviewed European providers. I usually punt at this range and find I get the best value here.

~£200 Stunning girls, I find service is usually similar to the establish providers at £150 but just much better looking and generally a more upmarket location.

~£250 I’ve had a mixed bag at this range and haven’t paid this much too often, so I can’t really comment accurately.

£250 is my limit for what I’m after and I don’t believe any girl is worth more than that, so can’t comment on the £250+ providers.

The above is focused on the demand side, if the girl is only part time I find this can also push her up a price bracket due to less days/hours available.

3 reviews?
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Below £100 in London you will typically find yourself with a WG who speaks little if any English.  Keep in mind
At 100 around Old Street or E1, though, there are some dependable Polish women.  But they are not stunning to look at like the Roms.
I'm sad that the Hungarian milfs have gone home or to Willesden.  I did find that they spoke enough English, but were not necessarily pretty.  Or young.  Mixed service sometimes but on average (for me) VFM.
What's not really discussed so far I think is national correlation with 'likes'.
There used to be some Poles doing BB etc but it seems less now: OTOH I seem much more likely to get OWO/CIM with a Pole than with a Rom or Brazilian in my experience.  Hungarian: bit mixed, more likely just OW.  I think more Poles have allowed fingers too. British: bit costly but I've had fun with older ladies.
On balance I'd normally think a Pole at 100 or 120/hr is a reasonable TOFFT opportunity, they seem 'accommodating'' if slightly passive sometimes - but normally IMO pretty straight with a business negotiation.  They'll deliver but not necessarily with passion, where a Rom will just tell you the profile is crap.  And the profile will stay crap, normally.
Some of the recent pics of London BB Rom in the avoidance thread, they also show up in Bedford and Leicester.  There seem to be many who advertise it, and unless its the tout the reviews on [unmentionable] suggest that they deliver. I was going to speculate that Volvic is dead now: he probably does deserve it - but it just seems that he moved to Watford.
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Offline Steely Dan

We don't need to debate experience or opinion.  We are sitting on the most valuable data base on punting in the UK.

No one cares about what AW girls post as a rate. Though we could calculate an objective answer.  Few care about the experience of any single punter.  What matters is our collective experience.

It could be updated, but here is the latest objective data:

https://www.puntingwiki.com/wiki/Average_regional_prices

Offline iibleys

We don't need to debate experience or opinion.  We are sitting on the most valuable data base on punting in the UK.

No one cares about what AW girls post as a rate. Though we could calculate an objective answer.  Few care about the experience of any single punter.  What matters is our collective experience.

It could be updated, but here is the latest objective data:

https://www.puntingwiki.com/wiki/Average_regional_prices

Very interesting!! thank you for that  :thumbsup:

Offline Mcping

I find Polish generally pretty good, wherever I punt.

Basically totally avoid Romanians now.

Good looking Brits charge more wherever

Offline LLPunting

We don't need to debate experience or opinion.  We are sitting on the most valuable data base on punting in the UK.

No one cares about what AW girls post as a rate. Though we could calculate an objective answer.  Few care about the experience of any single punter.  What matters is our collective experience.

It could be updated, but here is the latest objective data:

https://www.puntingwiki.com/wiki/Average_regional_prices

Why the 3 review entry point?
If punters don't review as often as they punt and if girls are working infrequently or rotate/tour around the country then the information is skewed.
Furthermore if this info is dependent on "popularity of review" of girls then it is further skewed by the likelihood that popular girls can/will charge more.

What would be useful is:

max, min, mean and median cost of all positive punts in an area/region for past 6 months and year.
Total of positives in an area/region for past 6 month and year

max, min, mean and median cost of all negative punts in an area for past 6 months and year.
Total of negatives in an area/region for past 6 month and year

If you have the mass of data readily available then I'm happy to do the Excel bits.  We could also run the "3 month" figures and some rolling aggregates to trend.

Offline Analist

Add anal to the mix and around £150 is typical for central London, minimum nowadays is £120.

About five years ago, I liked the Romanians. Profile descriptions and pics were usually accurate, they were friendly and worked hard and often less expensive than the norm. Something's happened since then and the average Rom is one to avoid unless there's good reviews. I feel the Poles, Hungarians and Czech give better service now among the EEs.

I tend not to see Brazilians as I visit the country and prefer to punt there. Maybe wrong of me, I also worry if some are post-op TS.

I definitely see a lot more British WGs now although finding a good one who's not too expensive is a challenge.

Offline mrhappypants

Why the 3 review entry point?
If punters don't review as often as they punt and if girls are working infrequently or rotate/tour around the country then the information is skewed.
Furthermore if this info is dependent on "popularity of review" of girls then it is further skewed by the likelihood that popular girls can/will charge more.

What would be useful is:

max, min, mean and median cost of all positive punts in an area/region for past 6 months and year.
Total of positives in an area/region for past 6 month and year

max, min, mean and median cost of all negative punts in an area for past 6 months and year.
Total of negatives in an area/region for past 6 month and year

If you have the mass of data readily available then I'm happy to do the Excel bits.  We could also run the "3 month" figures and some rolling aggregates to trend.

I think what SD has done is clever.  By setting a high barrier to entry (and three positive reviews is a high barrier which will have screened out a large number of profiles) the stats are telling us what the average price of a reasonably well regarded working girl is.  I expect this is higher than the price without correction. My estimates are based on advertised prices only  without this correction and are therefore lower. What we are interested in is how much should I expect to pay for an acceptable experience, rather than how much to be pissed about by some idiot. 

Doing further cuts will reduce the sample size to single figures / zero in some of the cells. I also think you can take analysis of prices paid too far.  There is as much to be learned from who is taking bookings, the days, hours and weeks of the month they are working and if the are charging extras as well as the current lethargic state of the board to know the market is flat.  But this gives us objective data at the price point in various important segments.
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Attitude - how they present themselves as service providers (friendly, warm, hospitable etc etc).
Range of Service - No specialist service, things like DFK, OWO, RO, Fingering etc would rate higher than light kissing, OW ect.
Service Delivery - How they deliver stated service.

Romanian:                6
Attitude                    2/5
Range of Service       3/5
Service Delivery        1/5

Hungarian:               11
Attitude                    4/5
Range of Service       3/5
Service Delivery        4/5

Chinese:                   8
Attitude                    4/5
Range of Service       1/5
Service Delivery        3/5

Latina/Hispanic          No experience cant comment   
Attitude                   
Range of Service
Service Delivery

Indian                        7
Attitude                     2/5
Range of Service        3/5
Service Delivery         2/5

British                         11
Attitude                      3/5
Range of Service         4/5
Service Delivery          4/5

So in my opinion Hungarians at 11 and in the cheaper price bracket would be the best value for money, Brits around the same but cost more and Indians just take the piss  :lol:

Some how feel that was the general feel on the board anyway  :rolleyes:

Would love to hear others take on it...

I might add Polish somewhere below Hungarian, perhaps  4,3,3
(and I would score British girls lower but that might just be me)

I might add Polish somewhere below Hungarian, perhaps  4,3,3
really?
I have found Polish girls more fun: they generally have better English skills, generally will go OWO and CIM.
And they generally seem to have a compatible sense of humour.
Lissa 'Polish 28' is, well, Polish.  And I see that currently she has a profile pic that isn't pixellated, which reminds me ...  :yahoo:

Offline iibleys

OK, so i didnt do what LLP said as i didnt have access to that data... Instead i did something a little more basic. I took all AW profiles in the HA postcode ie HA0-HA9. There were a total of 172 profiles. I eliminated 32 profiles as non-FS, potential fakes or other specialist provider (a lady in a wheel chair as example), which left a total of 145.

Here's the spread on hourly rate:

                               £50     £60     £70     £80     £90     £100     £110     £120     £130     £140     £150     £160     £170     £180   
Romanian                   -         -        40        5         1         8           -           5          -           1           -           -           -           -   
Hungarian                  1        17        7        8         14        -           -           -           -           1           -           -           -           -
Polish                         -         -         1         -          -         5           -           1          -           1           -           -           -           - 
Far-East Asian             -         -         -         -          2         1           -           -          -            -           1           -           -          -   
Latina/Hispanic           -          -         -         -          -          -           -           6         -            -            -           -           -          -   
Indian                        -          -         -         -          -          -           -           -          1           1           -            -           -         1
British                        -          -         -         1          -         2          2           1          2           -           2            1          -         -     
EE Other                     -          -         1         -          -         1          -            2          -            -           -            -          -          -   
African/Caribbean      -          -         -         -          -          -          -            1          -            -           -            -          -          - 


So out of the 145 service providers:
                                no. of SP         Average Cost
Romanians -              60 (41%)              £81
Hungarians -             48  (33%)             £75
Polish -                      8   (5%)              £105
Far-East Asian -          4   (3%)              £108
Latin/Hispanic -          6   (4%)              £120
Indian -                     3   (2%)              £150
British -                     11  (8%)             £122
EE Other -                  4   (3%)             £103
African/Caribbean -    1   (1%)             £120

Obviously this does not correlate to quality of service and there was no review criteria for entry.
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