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Author Topic: What is a pimp in the true sense?  (Read 8579 times)

Offline Tailpipe

What is a pimp in the true sense?
Someone who forces a Girl to work against her will.
Someone who just takes all her money.
Think the whole forum agrees those people are bad news.

However most WGs need the following to enable them to work.
A place to work.
May be someone to drive them.
Someone to look after them if there is a problem with a client.
Someone to help with their profile if the English is bad,
Someone to take calls if there English is bad.

Where is the line between help and been pimped. 

Online hendrix

I always thought that if someone was getting any financial gain from a girl they were pimps. Friends don't take money just for "helping".

Offline Tailpipe

I always thought that if someone was getting any financial gain from a girl they were pimps. Friends don't take money just for "helping".


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Petrol money?...that would be reasonable between friends. Petrol money + cut from the booking...Pimp. I think. :D

Offline Tailpipe

Petrol money?...that would be reasonable between friends. Petrol money + cut from the booking...Pimp. I think. :D


I know what you saying but ask a friend to pick you up 30 miles away at midnight twice a week for petrol money.

When you think about it in detail its not that clear cut.  OR petrol money and a BJ then you are a pimp . :unknown:

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I know what you saying but ask a friend to pick you up 30 miles away at midnight twice a week for petrol money.

When you think about it in detail its not that clear cut.  OR petrol money and a BJ then you are a pimp . :unknown:

Yeah, definitely not clear cut. Thing is, I might take the BJ from a couple of fit friends lol :D..but would hate to think I was a pimp for doing so.

Offline Tailpipe

Yeah, definitely not clear cut. Thing is, I might take the BJ from a couple of fit friends lol :D..but would hate to think I was a pimp for doing so.


Yep a BJ off one of the wifes friends or GF firends now thats class, Only ever happened to me once and long ago.  :D :D :D :D

Offline Stiltskin

This question reminds me of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkJjWOYvyTY

There's a fine line between running a dating service and being a full blown pimp.  :D

There is, or there certainly used to be, a self-employed driver who worked for a number of Indie WGs in West Yorkshire.  He had two sorts of bookings: either meeting punters who didn't drive at a local station, taking them to their appointment and returning them to the station afterwards; or taking the WGs to & from Outcalls.

Last time he collected me and returned me to a station [2 - 3 years ago], he  certainly left me with the impression that this work was both sufficiently steady, and well-paid, for him not to need to look for any other kind of work.

I don't think he saw himself as a Pimp and I don't think the WGs did either.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2013, 04:43:26 PM by Rochdull lad »

Offline Tailpipe

There is, or there certainly used to be, a self-employed driver who worked for a number of Indie WGs in West Yorkshire.  He had two sorts of bookings: either meeting punters who didn't drive at a local station, taking them to their appointment and returning them to the station afterwards; or taking the WGs to & from Outcalls.

Last time he collected me and returned me to a station [2 - 3 years ago], he  certainly left me with the impression that this work was both sufficiently steady, and well-paid, for him not to need to look for any other kind of work.

RL sounds like a good plan for everyone .  :hi:

Offline Tailpipe

This question reminds me of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkJjWOYvyTY

There's a fine line between running a dating service and being a full blown pimp.  :D


Very good , but he's is pure and simple a pimp  :cool:

What is a pimp in the true sense?
I assume that by definition a pimp is never true to anyone but himself. (Or maybe herself but that might be called a madam?).

Offline Tailpipe

I assume that by definition a pimp is never true to anyone but himself. (Or maybe herself but that might be called a madam?).


HP you are correct , context should inclued Madam  :hi:

Offline smiths

What is a pimp in the true sense?
Someone who forces a Girl to work against her will.
Someone who just takes all her money.
Think the whole forum agrees those people are bad news.

However most WGs need the following to enable them to work.
A place to work.
May be someone to drive them.
Someone to look after them if there is a problem with a client.
Someone to help with their profile if the English is bad,
Someone to take calls if there English is bad.

Where is the line between help and been pimped.

A pimp is a person, man or woman who either takes with force, OR takes with agreement all or some of the money WGs make from punting.

Those that use force are low life filth who i hope get done by the police. Those where the WG agrees to give them an agreed cut of her fees might be low life filth, and will be to some punters dependent on their opinion of course. A WG might not be able to afford premises to work from as her own arent suitable, for example she lives with her parents or has other family living in them. So she might decide working at say a Parlour is the best way to start and either save money until she can afford her own place and go Indie, or she finds she likes just having to turn up on time with the punters and premises laid on. Many Agencies dont provide the WGs premises which legally is the smart thing to do, but they still get the same or a higher cut of the WGs fees.

The line is does the person get money for helping, or perhaps sex in exchange, or do they do it as they are friends for nothing, but to help.

With A/W now is the time a pimp is needed the least than ever for some WGs who can speak English or have real friends who can help them set their profile up and/or answer their phones for them. Some though are daunted by working as an Indie and worried about not getting any punters so view working at a known busy in their own experience Parlour or Agency as their best option. I cant see that changing, controlling for gain and/or running a brothel are already against the law obviously but brothels and thus controlling for gain are tolerated in many areas, some brothels being operating for years.

Would punters prices be less if there werent pimps, yes possibly, reputable by credible punters Agencies in London at least ensure prices are kept at £150 an hour or more often, many Parlours charge more than Indies in the same area.

Offline PuntingPete

What is a pimp in the true sense?
Someone who forces a Girl to work against her will.
Someone who just takes all her money.
Think the whole forum agrees those people are bad news.

However most WGs need the following to enable them to work.
A place to work.
May be someone to drive them.
Someone to look after them if there is a problem with a client.
Someone to help with their profile if the English is bad,
Someone to take calls if there English is bad.

Where is the line between help and been pimped.

To my mind someone who manages all the above including providing premises for them to work from & takes a pre arranged amount for each client, is not a pimp. They will have a mortgage to pay, or rent, they will have to pay for phone calls and possibly a phone contract for each girl. They will also have other expenses such as Internet fees, laundry, condoms, soap, smellies etc plus possibly outfits for the girls to wear.
Ok I'm not suggesting for a minute that they don't show a profit, but does that make them a pimp? Not in my mind.  :hi:

Offline Daffodil

An interesting question tailpipe. Turns out it is quite difficult to define what a pimp is and we all seem to have differing opinions.

For me, a pimp is a manager. They advertise for the girl, take bookings, ensure she has credit on her phone, etc. If she doesn't have a place to work from, the pimp will try and sort something out. If they need a driver the same applies.

Some prossies are just so disorganised and lack drive that they could never handle these simple things by themselves and this is where a pimp comes in.

Some are bad, some are good. The guy who ran bathbabes is an example of a pimp in my book, but he clearly ran a good ship that punters enjoyed. If they don't blatantly take advantage of their prossies and provide a service to them/us then I don't really have a problem with them.

Offline itk

Many years ago when I first started punting (early 90's) it was all done from the street corners in Norwich. No AW or internet searches, and a regular we used to see was a very pretty, petite blonde called Sharon. One night after punting we were in a kebab/pizza place when she walked in with her pimp. He ordered her chips and she then asked if she could have something else, which sent this prick into a frenzy, shouting at her and pulling her about. With there being 3 of us there, we decided to intervene which ended in him pissing off and leaving her there alone.

She told us how dominating he was towards her, and basically her earnings each night went towards his weed and drink habit, and they lived in squalor while she worked in Norwich from Sunday to Thursday each week. She seemed bloody petrified of him, as he knew of her address in Nottingham where she used to travel from, that being the reason she never left him.

Offline Sailormack

If a wg needs services, eg property, marketing, transport etc and these are done at an open market value without force then I'm not sure if this could be considered pimping.

However if force or non-required services are pushed then this would be pimping IMO.

I think that because of the complex nature of the sex industry then each example would have to be looked at in detail and even then there would no doubt be disagreements.

Cannus wormis  :hi:

Offline Jimmyredcab

If a wg needs services, eg property, marketing, transport etc and these are done at an open market value without force then I'm not sure if this could be considered pimping.

However if force or non-required services are pushed then this would be pimping IMO.

I think that because of the complex nature of the sex industry then each example would have to be looked at in detail and even then there would no doubt be disagreements.


I tend to agree with smith's definition --------

"A pimp is a person, man or woman who either takes with force, OR takes with agreement all or some of the money WGs make from punting."

Some girls could not operate without the help of a pimp, especially these Romanians who come here with nowhere to live and have limited English, most are happy to get away from the squalor and poverty of their own country.

Offline MethodMan

AW and Galahad = pimps ???

They are making money off pro$$ies.
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Offline Jimmyredcab

AW and Galahad = pimps ???

They are making money off pro$$ies.

Hmmmm ------ not really, they are not taking a share of the pro$$ies takings, they are simply providing a service.  :hi:

Offline Admin

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AW and Galahad = pimps ???

They are making money off pro$$ies.

Galahad and other site like AdultWork don't take a percentage for each booking the pro$$ie does or even select which bookings they do like an agency or parlour pimp, they just offer advertising for fixed monthly price or daily fee for showing phone number.

There is however a blatant conflict of interest, the prossies and pimps who advertise on Galahad's site are also the ones subject to negative reviews and / or negative comments on the forum by punters, hence why he is biased towards them, he earns money from them and doesn't want to scare them away and stopping advertising. Hell as recently exposed he even made prossies his secret moderators with male usernames.

Offline Strawberry

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Hmmmm ------ not really, they are not taking a share of the pro$$ies takings, they are simply providing a service.  :hi:

Directories and advertising sites are doing just that - providing an advertising facility. They don't take fees based on bookings obtained, instead they charge a one off fee for the advert.

Offline MethodMan

Hmmmm ------ not really, they are not taking a share of the pro$$ies takings, they are simply providing a service.  :hi:

Maybe not pimps, but they do offer an advertising platform for a fee (from the pro$$ies cock sucking earnings)!
« Last Edit: September 07, 2013, 01:04:53 PM by MethodMan »
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Offline Jimmyredcab

Maybe not pimps, but they do offer an advertising platform for a fee (from the pro$$ies cock sucking earnings)!

So if I drive a pro$$ie to a booking in my cab that makes me a pimp. ????????????


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