Am I just a Grumpy Old Punter - Or Are Things Getting Worse in London?

[mcardle464]

I know it is foolish to hark back to some mythical "Golden Age" but I do seem to find it hard to find a good, reliable WG in the £100-130 range in London these days.  There seem to be more negatives in the reviews that positives, and I have failed to hook up with 3 girls in the past 2 weeks.

I wouldn't say I am particularly hard to please. A slimish, enthusiastic woman who doesn't smell of smoke is pretty much all that's necessary!

I don't want to travel too far.  It's bad enough going to W1 with the horn, let alone going miles, then being effed around like Sophia Nox did last week.

Is that anyone else's impression?  Is it getting harder to find someone who fits your tastes?  Are RBs a possible answer?

[LLPunting]

Just been checking North London and the new "talent" is looking rough, mainly Romanian and now asking for 120 ph!  In Cricklewood and Edgware! 

Very grim 

Just caught up with a few of the mamasans and their new girls are either looking a little rough, giving poor/limited service or trying to up their rates.  It's quite telling when the management aren't too impressed.   

[Stortford]

Haven't punted for a year slim pickings at the moment over priced average looking girls

[PilotMan]

I was off my usual manor and in North London recently and thought I would check out the talent. I tried for several hours to get a punt with a decent looking girl that didn't have loads of exclusions and was available.

I had plenty of no responses and a couple of "All my services are at my discretion and it's extra".

North London was like a punting no go zone, I couldn't get a punt.

I'm checking out the Uxbridge region tomorrow, we'll see if that's any better.

[mcardle464]

Please let us know if you find some gems.

[Type_O_Negative]

You don't have to be old to be grumpy haha. Indeed London scene is rubbish at this moment. It made me a part-time punter and i punt less and less however i'm wiling to pay more, even above 150/hour (because i punt less i can save more money).

That said - recently i bought a long telephoto Nikkor lens and i stick to bird photography. Tomorrow early in the morning i'm going to Epping Forest with my mates - good company, good time and good chat about good old days!

[Type_O_Negative]

I was off my usual manor and in North London recently and thought I would check out the talent. I tried for several hours to get a punt with a decent looking girl that didn't have loads of exclusions and was available.

I had plenty of no responses and a couple of "All my services are at my discretion and it's extra".

North London was like a punting no go zone, I couldn't get a punt.

I'm checking out the Uxbridge region tomorrow, we'll see if that's any better.

You are still in much better position - here in London SE9 situation is absolutely hopeless.

[Taggart]

Can we join the OP's club?  There's a lot of Grumpy Old Men around, both occasional and habitual punters.

While I cant speak for the London scene, in the East Midlands the choice has declined substantially. Highly rated girls from 18-30/35 who have come, earnt the money they wanted and are now long gone, so we are left with a very poor choice.  A plethora of has-beens, mechanical-going-through-the-motions girls, agency girls with apparently fake feedback ND managed by lying pimps, the overated, overpriced and deluded WGs, a glut of B&S Thais and an growing Romanian rip-off contingent whom most sensible punters would avoid like the pox.  Then there are the girls whose 'availability' is more like unavailability. There's no student WGs, nothing. You can tell how bad it it by the increasing number of negative FRs on UKP.

Despite desires, I've not punted for a long while, even though I have more time, and also more money to be selective with my choice, there is nothing that has appealed to me in my area, and tempted as I am, trying to arrange long distance punts is fraught with all manner of problems. I am about to embark of a major cull of my hot list as some I no longer fancy while the chances of me meeting others are nil.

It's become dire in Notts, Derby and Leicester. How's your local area?

[Newtothisstuff]

I'm travelling to Sheffield today, and there's almost nobody that I actually want to see. I had been due to see a regular girl up there but she had to cancel and didn't say anything until my second text to confirm if it was still okay this morning.
I've searched through AW and apart from sending a speculative text to one girl I've seen before, they're all Romanian, Polish, late 40's+, overpriced - or all of the above.
I'very given up going on UKE as nobody replies to the classifieds there and the regular girls who pop up in threads all live hundreds of miles away.
It's getting really hard to have a good punt in the East Midlands now.
There's even one well known girl who has a rule about not coming inside her even though you're bagged up... and she STILL charges £140p/h.

[mcardle464]

Can we join the OP's club?

Oh yes you can.  All you have to do is send me a terse PM, saying you don't want to join! 

[Stav096]

Part of the problem is that all the property redevelopment that has been going on has made the working flats more expensive; if look on AW a good number of EE girls move out of London to lower their prices and offer incall.

[Stav096]

Haven't punted for a year slim pickings at the moment over priced average looking girls

There is good totty around, but they are having to charge higher prices. The low-end is dominated by the gangs and you will want to avoid if you want good service.

[Ozy84]

You are defo not grumpy and the situation is 100% getting worse.

Been trying to punt since the weekend but am sick of just literally throwing my money away and have kept my hand in my pocket. Its now Wednesday and still do not know where my next punt is.

Same old names and faces is all i see amd that is not why i started punting.

[Ozy84]

There is good totty around, but they are having to charge higher prices. The low-end is dominated by the gangs and you will want to avoid if you want good service.

Do you wanna review some then so we can all have a go?! 

[Stav096]

Do you wanna review some then so we can all have a go?! 

Yes, once I have seen ones where I can add something new.

[Ozy84]

Yes, once I have seen ones where I can add something new.

So your saying since 9.1.14 you’ve been seeing the same ladies as every other member on here?! 

That excuse is soooo boring now it’s unbearable stavvy boy.

Comments like that and members like you just add to the frustration.

Stop being a lazy bastard, get up off your arse and start reviewing some of this totty you refer to, review here (hopefully positive) and then we can all have a go.

I suspect however that you will continue being a lazy bastard!!

 

[Gentlelovemaking]

I’m not sure if Things are getting worse but Prices have risen since I started punting, and ive become more picky over the years so it’s harder to find a good SP.

I’ve also found more SP’s who aren’t in the job to provide a good service, just there take your money......over the years I’ve met SP’s who operate on how quickly they can get you to pop rather than time which has left me feeling short changed on occasions.

[Stav096]

So your saying since 9.1.14 you’ve been seeing the same ladies as every other member on here?! 

That excuse is soooo boring now it’s unbearable stavvy boy.

Comments like that and members like you just add to the frustration.

Stop being a lazy bastard, get up off your arse and start reviewing some of this totty you refer to, review here (hopefully positive) and then we can all have a go.

I suspect however that you will continue being a lazy bastard!!

 

I will post reviews once I have seen ones where I can add something new.

[Ozy84]

I will post reviews once I have seen ones where I can add something new.

🖕🏻

[PilotMan]

I will post reviews once I have seen ones where I can add something new.

That's exactly why you should do a review, it will add to the existing score for the prossie and confirm the consistency of the service. e.g. if you have a positive experience and two others had also had a positive experience then that creates a broader base of reliability.

If you don't you're basically taking advantage of all the punters who do take time to write a review.

[Jvosta]

recently i bought a long telephoto Nikkor lens and i stick to bird photography

Didn’t take you for a voyeur

[InstaPunt]

I know it is foolish to hark back to some mythical "Golden Age" but I do seem to find it hard to find a good, reliable WG in the £100-130 range in London these days.  There seem to be more negatives in the reviews that positives, and I have failed to hook up with 3 girls in the past 2 weeks.

I wouldn't say I am particularly hard to please. A slimish, enthusiastic woman who doesn't smell of smoke is pretty much all that's necessary!

I don't want to travel too far.  It's bad enough going to W1 with the horn, let alone going miles, then being effed around like Sophia Nox did last week.

Is that anyone else's impression?  Is it getting harder to find someone who fits your tastes?  Are RBs a possible answer?

Here’s the question is it shit because girls who do typical rom shit that a few years ago no one on here would tolerate are now liked and hyped or do people now tolerate that shit because the scene is shit?

[Stav096]

🖕🏻

I will post reviews once I have seen ones where I can add something new.

[Stav096]

That's exactly why you should do a review, it will add to the existing score for the prossie and confirm the consistency of the service. e.g. if you have a positive experience and two others had also had a positive experience then that creates a broader base of reliability.

If you don't you're basically taking advantage of all the punters who do take time to write a review.

I will post reviews once I have seen ones where I can add something new.

[InstaPunt]

I will post reviews once I have seen ones where I can add something new.

Have all the girls you’ve visited been reviewed like a dozen plus times with each review being the same?

[holland]

I just fucked a prossie today (a review will follow) who told me that she is not busy at all.

Are punters also giving up?

[Ozy84]

I just fucked a prossie today (a review will follow) who told me that she is not busy at all.

Are punters also giving up?

Come on holland...give us a name?

Was it a positive?!

Did she have big pussy lips?!

  

[Rick2468]

I haven't visited anyone for a while. I still check the boards and adultwork and I think I am much less willing to take a gamble than I was when I started. I am also much less willing to wait long after the agreed start time as I take it as a very bad sign. I have seen profiles for girls I would like to see but not been able to get through to them when I try to contact them.

[holland]

Come on holland...give us a name?

Was it a positive?!

Did she have big pussy lips?!

  

I wish she had my friend 

Stunning Tyra 
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I went to see her.
It is a possible B&S. It's hard to tell because the girl I saw has very similar feature, big tits, big ass, dark skin etc.
I think I met this one instead
External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

Anyway it was a borderline positive/neutral.
I'll think about it and a review will follow

[PilotMan]

Last week I punted a local girl who I have reviewed and is highly reviewed on here, she said she wasn't busy.

Which is at odds with me trying to get a punt yesterday over West London  / UB postcode area. I tried 11 girls, got two responses, one agreed then went quiet, the other I punted but was a B&S.

So that's 9 out of 11 who don't respond, that area seems like a punting desert, glad I don't live that way!

[BillGoldberg]

I know it is foolish to hark back to some mythical "Golden Age" but I do seem to find it hard to find a good, reliable WG in the £100-130 range in London these days.  There seem to be more negatives in the reviews that positives, and I have failed to hook up with 3 girls in the past 2 weeks.

I wouldn't say I am particularly hard to please. A slimish, enthusiastic woman who doesn't smell of smoke is pretty much all that's necessary!

I don't want to travel too far.  It's bad enough going to W1 with the horn, let alone going miles, then being effed around like Sophia Nox did last week.

Is that anyone else's impression?  Is it getting harder to find someone who fits your tastes?  Are RBs a possible answer?

You're wrong

There really was a Golden Age, you aren't just a grumpy old punter and things are getting worse in London.

3 facts

[pepsicolaboy]

I often catch up with another friend who has used escorts/punted before but now has other means to meet women - I update him on the general 'London' scene and whats about, as I see it

I maintain, like the OP, this is the absolute worst ive seen in from an AW/ general whats out there - standpoint since I started punting over 2 decades ago.

This forum is a veritable gold mine of info for PITFULL avoidance lol as well as sometimes good recommendations.

HOWEVER - If a member does provide a recommendation to a good service provider,  they eventually either put their prices up or get lazy as fuck and their comms go out the window and its pot luck if you can book them, I guess because they in demand, they feel they can get away with it 

No offence to any fans - put someone (at some point on here  ) used Portuguese 'Lucy' as a prime example of the latter. Service level overshadowed by pain in the arse hit and miss contact. (not sure if situation changed in this example btw) - for what its worth I found our meets amazing.

There used to be a host of excellent Polish girls doing 15 mins for £40 (not my thing) or 30 mins for £60, while I understand prices can go up - I think base average is 30 mins for £70.00 (some at £80.00 now) - the sheer lack of them is apparent.

But they where happy, good natured and seemingly enjoyed the sex/new adventure.

My experience with Hungarians took a nose dive in 2015/16 with a serious of shit punts in North London - certainly with the younger ones. Some great older ones around from time to time.

The fact that a lot of the London AW results is filled with Romanians - who as a race have built up a bullet proof rep as a shit punt - is not helping matters 

**Gets Out Metal Detector, hunts for Gold** 

[pepsicolaboy]

I know it is foolish to hark back to some mythical "Golden Age" but I do seem to find it hard to find a good, reliable WG in the £100-130 range in London these days.  There seem to be more negatives in the reviews that positives, and I have failed to hook up with 3 girls in the past 2 weeks.

I wouldn't say I am particularly hard to please. A slimish, enthusiastic woman who doesn't smell of smoke is pretty much all that's necessary!

I don't want to travel too far.  It's bad enough going to W1 with the horn, let alone going miles, then being effed around like Sophia Nox did last week.

Is that anyone else's impression?  Is it getting harder to find someone who fits your tastes?  Are RBs a possible answer?

My top tip: 

Jump on AW, put your search area and service criteria, filter Romanians 'excluding' - go from there 

In all seriousness I often do that

Got fucked over via excitement of my first use of RB - see my currently only/first Review

Be very careful, if an escort need to jump on and bid on RBs its possible they have a dusty phone or worse, are an absolute shit punt, as was my first Review

cheers

[naz]

Your are correct, I’m finding it more difficult to find  decent honest WGs providing services as advertised. NW London seems to be the Haven of barebackers. For that reason I keep away from the cheap £60-£70-£80 hourly rate WG, but  now finding it difficult to find a decent  punt at £100-£130 hourly rate. A lot of Romanian B&S and Brazilian WGs managed like a brothel for a quick buck with Girls changing weekly at this price range so difficult to differentiate.
I’m not prepared to travel far for this reason and punting much less often. And when I do I see WG, they are well reviewed or seen a few times before. The well reviewed ones can be difficult to get hold of and usually need forward planning which is not always easy.

I would also say the price isn’t always definitive of the level of service and satisfaction,  seeing a lot of negative reviews of WG at £150+ brackets too.

Another factor that I’m finding is many of the good WG finishing early evening, late night WG are those run like a factory. Daytime is difficult for me.

[MilleMiglia]

As I have pointed out elsewhere, £120 p/h was pretty well the going rate in parlours 20 years ago, even in the provinces, and back then I had no great  disappointments, although some experiences are better remembered than others. I think exposure to cheaper alternatives from Eastern Europe have coloured people's minds -  attractive British women providing a good service have never been cheap, although I did meet good quality independents at £80 p/h.

The harsh financial reality is that we are actually up on the deal - were the rank and file charging in line with inflation we'd be looking at @£200 p/h. Looking back, I can't believe that I was happy to pay what I did in the late 90's, as I don't consider £120 p/h today to be a bargain, and would now have given up altogether if prices were indeed two thirds more than they actually are at present.

[mrhappypants]

Confidence is low. 

Girls who raised prices during the summer are now finding they are quiet.  Less Poles and Europeans are coming to the UK as it is less attractive market.  Demand is also weak.  People are being careful with their spending and girls are being stretched to cover higher rents. 

What I also notice is a lot of girls listed are not actually working: I think when things are slow they take a holiday.

[BillGoldberg]

The fact that a lot of the London AW results is filled with Romanians - who as a race have built up a bullet proof rep as a shit punt - is not helping matters 

**Gets Out Metal Detector, hunts for Gold** 

Such a shame about the Romanians
For me they're pretty much the only EEs that I generally find physically attractive

[mcardle464]

I still check the boards and adultwork and I think I am much less willing to take a gamble than I was when I started. I am also much less willing to wait long after the agreed start time as I take it as a very bad sign. I have seen profiles for girls I would like to see but not been able to get through to them when I try to contact them.

+1 

I am picky (in terms of good reviews) and agree that long waits are a bad sign, that's why I effed off from two last week.  Ditto Romanians.  Tried that once as a Plan B.  Never again.

However I had some interesting successes with RBs.  I met two good SPs who would come to my flat - one no longer escorting and Luscious Liz (recommended) is back in NZ.   Obviously there was a lot of dross who replied.  Incidentally I think RBs allow you to find the part-timers who do it on the side, and who I think are more involved because it is not their 5th punter of the day etc.  As I said, I had a particularly bad experience and didn't like the idea that a psycho had my home address so I stopped.

[InstaPunt]

Confidence is low. 

Girls who raised prices during the summer are now finding they are quiet.  Less Poles and Europeans are coming to the UK as it is less attractive market.  Demand is also weak.  People are being careful with their spending and girls are being stretched to cover higher rents. 

What I also notice is a lot of girls listed are not actually working: I think when things are slow they take a holiday.

Exactly, they can go and easily try their luck in any other European city. Wonder how brexit will effect us. I think if EU nations get an automatic 30 day visa, we’ll see loads of pop up travel prossies with less emphasis on customer service etc but at the same time they’ll have to make money in a short time. Expect loads even more AW accounts to get passed on, as setting up a new one won’t be worthwhile, whether it’s to the punters benefit or not depends on what punters tolerate, that will set the precedent, as it always has.

[Stav096]

I think some of the claims about WG not working is more to do with a substantial number of the profiles on AW being fake. There are far more women on the job in London than ten years ago - it is three or four magnitudes higher than when I stated punting - and most of them would seem to be busy.

[Lp1975]

As I have pointed out elsewhere, £120 p/h was pretty well the going rate in parlours 20 years ago, even in the provinces, and back then I had no great  disappointments, although some experiences are better remembered than others. I think exposure to cheaper alternatives from Eastern Europe have coloured people's minds -  attractive British women providing a good service have never been cheap, although I did meet good quality independents at £80 p/h.

The harsh financial reality is that we are actually up on the deal - were the rank and file charging in line with inflation we'd be looking at @£200 p/h. Looking back, I can't believe that I was happy to pay what I did in the late 90's, as I don't consider £120 p/h today to be a bargain, and would now have given up altogether if prices were indeed two thirds more than they actually are at present.

Agree very much with this.

I think it’s like there are different markets in parallel - it might sound a bit like a weird analogy but it’s a bit like the London black cab market in parallel with Uber X.

I think the top end of the market hasn’t changed that much, in terms of prices and availability. Not just whether she is English or not, but the good consistent providers in terms of services.

But over the years, the influx from EE and Latam (Uber X) created a broader market in general; but that market is probably a lot more hit and miss.

I mentioned in a different post but as I have a preference for central London, I now see £150 as a baseline just because - without meaning any offence - I think it’s harder to guarantee a “minimum standard” in the Uber X market.

[holland]

Agree very much with this.

I think it’s like there are different markets in parallel - it might sound a bit like a weird analogy but it’s a bit like the London black cab market in parallel with Uber X.

I think the top end of the market hasn’t changed that much, in terms of prices and availability. Not just whether she is English or not, but the good consistent providers in terms of services.

But over the years, the influx from EE and Latam (Uber X) created a broader market in general; but that market is probably a lot more hit and miss.

I mentioned in a different post but as I have a preference for central London, I now see £150 as a baseline just because - without meaning any offence - I think it’s harder to guarantee a “minimum standard” in the Uber X market.

Price and quality are not often related.
We are talking about the same girls now charging £20-50 more than 1/2 years ago or romanian/brazilian/etc charging £150 without any intention to give a good service.
I think the prossies are giving up and we are giving up too.
Hopefully things we ll get a bit better after brexit.

[LLPunting]

I think some of the claims about WG not working is more to do with a substantial number of the profiles on AW being fake. There are far more women on the job in London than ten years ago - it is three or four magnitudes higher than when I stated punting - and most of them would seem to be busy.

3 or 4 magnitudes?  When did you start punting?  When London was Londinium? 

Just did an AW search for sub 120ph (under 50yrs, active past week, incall, has picutres) in London c.1400, 120-200ph  c.1300
Numbers that are working hasn't changed that much in 20 years, the quality certainly has in the sub 200 bracket.

[pepsicolaboy]

Just another ramble from me...

There is less and less English girls coming into the game as far as AW is concerned since its inception - in my opinion - or if they do its just agencies, which is usually price prohibitive for me.

Those other sites like VivaStreet, Back Pages are a pain in the arse to look at and sieve through - doesnt help things - I dont use unless someone links on a forum.

The quality EE punts from the last 10 years and ill name them for me as Polish and Hungarians - we just not getting the amount of those younger women coming into London and therefore to fall into this work, I would say because its so frigging expensive to stay here, rent wise.

Price does not guarantee quality - agreed

Established Good service providers have in some instance become lazy in terms of comms and prices go up and up - again makes me depressed as a punter

Shit load of Romanians taking up the space on the aw search results for London - enough been said on this.

Terms of new providers -

The risk is higher for the punter, assuming you do a 30 min with a girl to limit your losses - a 30 min punt was £60.00 now averages £70.00 - £80.00 in most instances (or higher  )

I wonder if mentally thats harder for a punter to go and TOFTT with - I know for me personally that jump is hard.

[Stav096]

3 or 4 magnitudes?  When did you start punting?  When London was Londinium? 

Definitely; I am referring to the full range of opportunities; not just AW, but excluding SW. There is a much broader range of sources these days.

[LLPunting]

Price and quality are not often related.
We are talking about the same girls now charging £20-50 more than 1/2 years ago or romanian/brazilian/etc charging £150 without any intention to give a good service.
I think the prossies are giving up and we are giving up too.
Hopefully things we ll get a bit better after brexit.

There're plenty of punters and WGs.

Problem is the cheaper end of the market is flooded with Romanians (whether they say they are Romanian, Italian, Spanish, Brazilian, Indian, Bulgarian, Hungarian, etc) who offer shit service.  The Romanian gangs (and others) have dug in and made the place far more hazardous for the indie girls.

The other EE girls have made their money years back but their home economies have improved at the same time that £ has weakened vs Euro (especially since Brexit) and the rents continue to rocket, particularly for the flats that will tolerate WGs (probably owned by gangs).

The Chinese and Thai operations continue but the prettier and younger women are probably being sent to better markets where margin is higher.

Attitude of WGs isn't helped by more fuckwit punters (including immigrants from societies that have poor/disgraceful attitudes to women and WGs) turning up and disrespecting or hassling the women.

[Bassman]

You guys have probably punted a lot longer than I. But I’m told by a mate of the golden age, when even areas like Enfield/North London has some great WG’s. Services were aplenty and inclusive....

Being newish to the game in comparison, I’m already finding myself becoming less picky, slightly jaded by the negative reviews of my own. I’m less willing to head into the city and am not willing to bang the others. I punt with a regular or two but I’m getting bored. So it could be that punters are changing their mindsets as well as a general worsening of the options.

I don’t think it will get better. Eventually we’ll be left with the British WG’s who charge more. They’ll be further in demand I guess.

[hey-hey-baby]

Hate to bring too much politics into this but think that this is largely related to the weakening pound over the last year or so/ Brexit and all that.

I wasn't punting then but if you take 2007ish (which I think people regard as high quality punting?) the pound was nearly worth $2.... I seems to me that quality has gone down a bit especially over the last year or so which could be related to the weakening pound recently. I think this would have two impacts:

1) Foreign/ EE Girls more likely to choose to move to a different country than the UK such as Germany, Netherlands etc
2) High quality Brit girls choosing to work abroad more due to higher wages they can earn there (although I would have thought this contributed at the margins compared to point 1)

I'm not trying to start a policitcal debate around Brexit... think that's best left for other online communities but it is interesting to note. Also I would be fascinated with the potential to do analysis on this using this site - there's so much data on here going back years it would be interesting if there is a quantifiable difference in the data over the past few years with regards to quality of service

[MilleMiglia]

Go back to 2009, and Sterling had parity with the Euro. Can't say I remember any problems back then.

[claretandblue]

Its garbage at the moment,compared to when I started punting 5/6 years ago the talent pool is very limited..

Where can you get a decent pse for 150ph?