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Author Topic: Would you be OK with your GF/fiance/wife/mother of your children to be a pro$$ie  (Read 18056 times)

Indeed the imagination does, my partners difficult times have been when he is quiet at work and the thoughts go wild.


In another post you quoted he was an ex-client, so he "should" be able to deal with this conflict.

I could imagine it would be a real turn on when you manage some personal time together, bit like make up sex.  :drinks:


That is the main thing, no man no matter how self assured needs to be reminded of that when in a relationship with a WG.
Whilst he may know that it took him being attractive to me in every manner and an awful lot for me to break a professional boundary, there is certainly no harm reminding him how bloody awesome he is. Thankfully that comes naturally.

Yes it is a major thing to get involved. No idea how he has coped with it and will do going ahead. I think he simply has no choice, he can't live without.

Very interesting comment, Holly.  I write as one of the much less self-assured [in the words of the old put-down, "He's a modest man, with a lot to be modest about."] who couldn't quite believe the effect I appeared to have on the WG with whom I was blurring the boundaries.

Apologies for posting this here; it's perhaps more relevant to the Emotional Attachment Syndrome thread.  And, fwiw, I think that the WG I'm writing about was as good an actress as you say you are! ;)

Offline Paulie

Slightly off topic, but I've always wondered what makes WGs take up the profession. Has there ever been a discussion about this? Are there enough WGs posting here to get a good feedback?

Offline hollysbeenabadgirl

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In another post you quoted he was an ex-client, so he "should" be able to deal with this conflict.

I could imagine it would be a real turn on when you manage some personal time together, bit like make up sex.  :drinks:

It makes it harder actually, as he knows only to well that I bring far too much of myself into my work and simply can not be any other way. He had others to compare me with.

No, no turn on at all. I know another couple local to me and they have exactly the same struggles. Having a deep conversation with the gentleman has helped me understand that to be with a WG you either see her as a free shag or you are in so deep that there is no 'choice' even if it kills.

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Very interesting comment, Holly.  I write as one of the much less self-assured [in the words of the old put-down, "He's a modest man, with a lot to be modest about."] who couldn't quite believe the effect I appeared to have on the WG with whom I was blurring the boundaries.

Ha. My partner has said the same many times, as far as he is concerned he is nothing 'special'. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't *shrugs* but to me he is. I know a few stunners in this industry, their partners are quite ordinary gents, I think some of us look past the normal things, far more than non WG's as it takes a lot for most of us to blur our lines and there needs to be major connections.

Yeah it is derailing, but I guess the threads are quite linked.

Offline Tailpipe

It makes it harder actually, as he knows only to well that I bring far too much of myself into my work and simply can not be any other way. He had others to compare me with.

No, no turn on at all. I know another couple local to me and they have exactly the same struggles. Having a deep conversation with the gentleman has helped me understand that to be with a WG you either see her as a free shag or you are in so deep that there is no 'choice' even if it kills.

Looking at other threads about crossing lines , this rings so true. However not the place anyone wants to be in. Its Hell  :diablo:
 

Offline SteveNova

Slightly off topic, but I've always wondered what makes WGs take up the profession. Has there ever been a discussion about this? Are there enough WGs posting here to get a good feedback?
It's interesting that it's often a question that people feel should be asked in general - not so of most other occupations.  It also underlies this thread - that there is something inherently different about selling sex, as opposed to selling other labour or brain power.  Looking at it logically, it shouldn't be regarded as somehow requiring explanation.  So why is it an occupation that most on here say they wouldn't want their relative involved in, and where would you draw the line - actress simulating sex, page three girl, burlesque dancer, erotic dancer, stripper, glamour model, lap dancer, masseuse with happy ending, working girl. 

Offline Daffodil

It's interesting that it's often a question that people feel should be asked in general - not so of most other occupations.  It also underlies this thread - that there is something inherently different about selling sex, as opposed to selling other labour or brain power.  Looking at it logically, it shouldn't be regarded as somehow requiring explanation.  So why is it an occupation that most on here say they wouldn't want their relative involved in, and where would you draw the line - actress simulating sex, page three girl, burlesque dancer, erotic dancer, stripper, glamour model, lap dancer, masseuse with happy ending, working girl.

I explained in an earlier post why I think prostitution isn't an attractive 'career' and why most people, including punters, wouldn't want a close one doing it. You chose to ignore it despite it being made in conversation with you, I imagine because you can't argue with it.

To recap:

1) Prostitutes lose respect.
2) They jeopardise current and future relationships.
3) They expose themselves to an increased risk of sexual disease.
4) They expose themselves to physical violence.
5) They have a work history 'black hole'.

I really don't think it's hard to understand.

Offline SteveNova

I explained in an earlier post why I think prostitution isn't an attractive 'career' and why most people, including punters, wouldn't want a close one doing it. You chose to ignore it despite it being made in conversation with you, I imagine because you can't argue with it.

To recap:

1) Prostitutes lose respect.
2) They jeopardise current and future relationships.
3) They expose themselves to an increased risk of sexual disease.
4) They expose themselves to physical violence.
5) They have a work history 'black hole'.

I really don't think it's hard to understand.
I don't always keep replying in a thread.  I put my points and so did you.  This post was more about why WGs receive less respect than others.  Not all are exposing themselves to a higher risk of disease than many 'civilians' do on repeated nights out.  Covered services are relatively risk free;  working in a safe environment such as a good establishment can greatly reduce the risk of violence; many people have employment 'black holes' due to unemployment or travelling.  Relationships I agree may be complex but so are many 'civilian' ones.  I still think it's just a question of perception - the general public look down on those who sell sex.  My other point is, where is the line drawn - a page three girl, actress doing a sex scene, porn star etc?

Offline Daffodil

I don't always keep replying in a thread.  I put my points and so did you.  This post was more about why WGs receive less respect than others.  Not all are exposing themselves to a higher risk of disease than many 'civilians' do on repeated nights out.  Covered services are relatively risk free;  working in a safe environment such as a good establishment can greatly reduce the risk of violence; many people have employment 'black holes' due to unemployment or travelling.  Relationships I agree may be complex but so are many 'civilian' ones.  I still think it's just a question of perception - the general public look down on those who sell sex.  My other point is, where is the line drawn - a page three girl, actress doing a sex scene, porn star etc?

Everybody has their own opinion on where to draw the line, but when the number of people drawing the line and placing the job/act/behaviour in a negative light reaches a critical point it becomes very undesirable. In between it's a spectrum.

Just because it's your opinion, Steve, that selling your body for sex is fine, doesn't change the fact that many don't think it's fine. That is very unlikely to change. As such, the job remains undesirable and I for one would strongly discourage a relative/partner from doing it. The negative stigma is far too great, whether you think that's right or not.

Yes, other people expose themselves to risk on nights out/one night stands etcetera, but how many are doing it every night and with multiple partners, thus truly equating with your average prossie. And I suggest that that sort of behaviour in a civilian would lose them a lot of respect and be discouraged. Covered services are less risky than uncovered, of course, but they still have a failure rate. Fuck more people, increase your risk.

Working in a good establishment may reduce your risk, but not to zero. I also don't know what percentage of prossies work like this, but I imagine it's far from the majority.

The majority of men, certainly in the general public, would never date an active prossie and many wouldn't want a long-term relationship with an ex-prossie. There are few behaviours that have such a negative impact on relationships, even though I agree other issues can complicate one.

Offline Tailpipe


1) Prostitutes lose respect.
2) They jeopardise current and future relationships.
3) They expose themselves to an increased risk of sexual disease.
4) They expose themselves to physical violence.
5) They have a work history 'black hole'.

I really don't think it's hard to understand.

Simple compelling and Factual those are the big downsides I see no arguments that can be put forward to defend any of those.

Offline lovingfacials

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Do all people inc w/g 'crave' respect of society - i think not

Again compare people who sleep around on a friday night to those who use protection - exposure to STI's can be reduced/limited

With good screening processes violence can be limited to normal risks mainstream people are also exposed to

Black hole ???? if you are working with a mindset of parisB who travels the world earns good money etc why worry re black hole, unless she or others are stupid they will be saving putting £££ aside, also Ive seen LOADS of women who have a 5 - 10 BLACK HOLE on their cv which can be explained away, i/e children, starting a family, career break etc

I am not saying these points are not relevant  - but they are simplistic and sterotypical - not all w/g are stupid who burn through ££££ ok maybe many are but there are loads who are not & have an exit strategy - be it earn good cash get out, find a rich partner, sugar daddy etc....


Offline Tailpipe

TP

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Do all people inc w/g 'crave' respect of society - i think not

Again compare people who sleep around on a friday night to those who use protection - exposure to STI's can be reduced/limited

With good screening processes violence can be limited to normal risks mainstream people are also exposed to

Black hole ???? if you are working with a mindset of parisB who travels the world earns good money etc why worry re black hole, unless she or others are stupid they will be saving putting £££ aside, also Ive seen LOADS of women who have a 5 - 10 BLACK HOLE on their cv which can be explained away, i/e children, starting a family, career break etc

I am not saying these points are not relevant  - but they are simplistic and sterotypical - not all w/g are stupid who burn through ££££ ok maybe many are but there are loads who are not & have an exit strategy - be it earn good cash get out, find a rich partner, sugar daddy etc....

There is much in your post that I would also agree with, however the context of the OP in its purest form

"Would you be OK with your GF/fiance/wife/mother of your children to be a pro$$ie"


The facts stated remain facts, as core reasons for not giving consent to 
GF/fiance/wife/mother of your children to be a prossie.

However I personally have no problems with prossies in many ways they are one of my favourite types of people   :cool:

My default position is to be respectful to everyone. :hi:

Offline SteveNova

I agree that there is a general view of those who sell sex which is not at all positive: 'fallen women', 'no respect for themselves' and suchlike.  They are also more likely to be regarded as victims, drawn into an abusive world and exploited.  Unfortunately in this scenario we (punters) are viewed in a similarly disparaging light - as we are seen to be doing the exploiting, along with those managing some of the girls.  Of course it's all bunkum - at least in relation to girls I've seen.  We uniquely, on these type of forums, are part of the selling sex experience.  Generally we keep quiet about our activities, but we do get to see  working girls who are not exploited, and appear happy in their work.  The positives for the girls are 'loads a money'! working for yourself, excitement and the thrill of a double life existence (don't we enjoy that secret world ourselves!) Not forgetting that some sexual activities with some punters must be enjoyable - I'm sure we're not all hard work!  I suppose what I'm saying is that there can be a list of positives and negatives for most occupations.  I do agree that being a working girl is a special kind of activity and requires a special talent, disposition or whatever.  It's certainly not for everyone, and it's going to impact on their life for sure - whether positively or not who knows!  For a working girl to have support from their family can only be a good thing - though I don't underestimate the kind of dramas and tensions that may be part and parcel of that support for some.

Offline Paulie

It's interesting that it's often a question that people feel should be asked in general - not so of most other occupations.  It also underlies this thread - that there is something inherently different about selling sex, as opposed to selling other labour or brain power.  Looking at it logically, it shouldn't be regarded as somehow requiring explanation. So why is it an occupation that most on here say they wouldn't want their relative involved in, and where would you draw the line - actress simulating sex, page three girl, burlesque dancer, erotic dancer, stripper, glamour model, lap dancer, masseuse with happy ending, working girl.

It's not an 'explanation' that I was thinking about. I have a kind of half-baked theory that some WGs are in it just for the money, and others because they like having sex. That's like most jobs, I suppose.  :unknown:

Offline lovingfacials

There is much in your post that I would also agree with, however the context of the OP in its purest form

"Would you be OK with your GF/fiance/wife/mother of your children to be a pro$$ie"


The facts stated remain facts, as core reasons for not giving consent to 
GF/fiance/wife/mother of your children to be a prossie.

However I personally have no problems with prossies in many ways they are one of my favourite types of people   :cool:

My default position is to be respectful to everyone. :hi:

And my earlier answer is NO...........

however not everyone has the same background or opportunities or mindset as me so their choices may differ,

that said if a w/g was earning £100k per year tax free seeing the world staying in 5 star hotels, enjoying the life in her 20 -30'S & had both the body & the business sense to make it work & be secure for the remainder of their life I can see why it may appeal

god willing mine will go to uni get 'white collar' jobs and not go down that route, but I am not naive enough to think it couldnt happen, I hope it does not, and as you say TP I try to speak to all people in my day to day life as I would want my children spoken to by others - simple manners, repsect etc

Offline Daffodil

And my earlier answer is NO...........

however not everyone has the same background or opportunities or mindset as me so their choices may differ,

that said if a w/g was earning £100k per year tax free seeing the world staying in 5 star hotels, enjoying the life in her 20 -30'S & had both the body & the business sense to make it work & be secure for the remainder of their life I can see why it may appeal

god willing mine will go to uni get 'white collar' jobs and not go down that route, but I am not naive enough to think it couldnt happen, I hope it does not, and as you say TP I try to speak to all people in my day to day life as I would want my children spoken to by others - simple manners, repsect etc

So you don't want your whatever doing it, but criticise valid points raised as being stereotypical or whatever, but don't bother stating your own reasons why you'd be against a partner doing it. You sound confused  :hi:

The one in a million prossie that you talk about is largely fairy tale and isn't how the majority of prossies are.

Offline Daffodil

but there are loads who are not & have an exit strategy - be it earn good cash get out, find a rich partner, sugar daddy etc....

If it is such a worthwhile 'job' why do so many even need a 'get out'?  :dash:

If it is such a worthwhile 'job' why do so many even need a 'get out'?  :dash:

For those that make the choice, it's a means to an end. Ain't gonna get rich on my meagre pickings.  :D

Offline Paulie

If it is such a worthwhile 'job' why do so many even need a 'get out'?

"Ours not to reason why - ours is just to wank or buy"  :yahoo:

Offline lovingfacials

"Ours not to reason why - ours is just to wank or buy"  :yahoo:

if anyone can not see why an exit strategy is required by switched on w/g's  then they must be fucking thick as pig shit  :dash: :dash:..............women are not like fine wine they dont all age well with time - gravity catches up, things sag, skin becomes less taut etc....and younger models come on the marketplace.

it is a limited shelf life & so an exit strategy like making good ££££ for a short peroid of tme or catching a rich guy to sustain their ££££ burn rate is required unless of course they want to end up as

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/15/amsterdam-oldest-prostitute-retire-fokkens_n_2883367.html




its not hard to undertand is it  :hi:

if anyone can not see why an exit strategy is required by switched on w/g's  then they must be fucking thick as pig shit  :dash: :dash:..............women are not like fine wine they dont all age well with time - gravity catches up, things sag, skin becomes less taut etc....and younger models come on the marketplace.

it is a limited shelf life & so an exit strategy like making good ££££ for a short peroid of tme or catching a rich guy to sustain their ££££ burn rate is required unless of course they want to end up as

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/15/amsterdam-oldest-prostitute-retire-fokkens_n_2883367.html




its not hard to undertand is it  :hi:

I think that's true up to a point, lf.  And while I could never imagine seeing those Fokkens sisters :scare:, there's surely a market for brighter, more savvy WGs who are [to continue your analogy] closer to Barolo, Chablis or Sancerre than a £5 bottle of plonk and who, by looking after themselves physically, can work in

 a different niche market [MILFs as opposed to nubile young things] as they grow older, thereby prolonging their shelf-life.

Offline lovingfacials

I think that's true up to a point, lf.  And while I could never imagine seeing those Fokkens sisters :scare:, there's surely a market for brighter, more savvy WGs who are [to continue your analogy] closer to Barolo, Chablis or Sancerre than a £5 bottle of plonk and who, by looking after themselves physically, can work in

 a different niche market [MILFs as opposed to nubile young things] as they grow older, thereby prolonging their shelf-life.

RL

I agree and many a fine tune etc... but the facts of life remain gravity and time to women are a bitch........and yes many a milf in her late 30'S Early 40'S With expereince etc will be a great shag/company etc....but even these should have a exit strategy....

Offline Paulie

RL

... even these should have a exit strategy....


Haha - you mean when their fannies get worn out, they start doing A-levels  :yahoo:

And talking to the ones I see regularly in that age-group, they mostly do!


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