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Offline smiths

The Housing Act still favours the tenant. Yes you can serve a section 8 notice, (under grounds 12), to REQUEST termination  cof the Tenancy Agreement for breach of the terms of Tenancy, however, only a court can enforce this notice. If the court does rule in favour of the Landlord, this does not mean that the tenants can just be kicked out. The judge will normally give 14 days  notice. If the tenants still do not vacate the property, again you can not just evict them, you have to apply for court appointed bailiffs to carry out the eviction.

Depending on the workload of the court, the whole process can take up to 6 months. During this time, a stubborn tenant could start to refuse to pay rent.

Thanks, so the OP could try another tack if he wants them out that badly which is to say if they dont leave asap he will inform the police they are running a brothel. Obviously this could have some potentially dodgy consequences though. :hi:

Offline smiths

Maybe I am missing something  :unknown: :unknown:

This property was let through an agency, how can the landlord be held responsible for anything the tenants get up to, if they turn it into a brothel or drug den how is the landlord to know.   :unknown:

I imagine the legal situation could be different had the agency not been the middle man.

Yes the risk to the OP is low, but unless he is going to ask them to pay more rent as its a brothel why would he wish them to continue using his flat as one. Its only worth the potential hassle IF he gets a higher than market rent off them in my view. And this is how some brothels get their premises, they pay way over the odds to Landlords who turn a blind eye. :hi:

Thanks, so the OP could try another tack if he wants them out that badly which is to say if they dont leave asap he will inform the police they are running a brothel. Obviously this could have some potentially dodgy consequences though. :hi:

Yes. It is not fail safe though as if the tenancy has been signed by a real person that lives there, (or pretends to live there), the police have no powers to evict, they can only stop the property being used for prostitution.

If the OP wants to keep the tenants, and thus the brothel, my advice would be to tell nobody, and arrange quarterly maintenance checks. A sensible brothel owner will try to ensure the property does not look like a brothel for this visit. If both tenant and landlord sign the maintenance report, the landlord could use this to show that he has acted diligently. Remember, it is upto the police to prove consent

Offline potato

If letting agents are anything like Accountants then I would be checking my t&c's with them to determine who the ultimate responsibility resides with in regard to tenants.  Whilst accountants will do your books etc., the client is ultimately responsible for  ensuring the accuracy of his work - which is crazy!  The OP refers to "an establishment" rather than a single WG occupying the flat - which is much more dodgy ground than a single person working there and an anonymous tip off to the agency as soon as possible would be a good move!  If it were a single WG then because you are now aware of what is going on, you still have a problem.  Some people might "pop round" and have a bit of chat and come to some "arrangement" with her like regular freebies or taking additional rent directly ( which you would obviously declare and pay tax on).  It also may depend on how involved the OP's wife is in the OP's rentals. It sounds to me that the OP chooses the easy option - buys a place and lets an Agency sort the rental so maybe he only sees the property when it is empty in which case he is probably safe as far as his wife is concerned - unless he find his walls daubed with painted messages about his goings on...

Of course the OP may just be a troll setting out a rather rare situation for us to debate!

Offline smiths

Yes. It is not fail safe though as if the tenancy has been signed by a real person that lives there, (or pretends to live there), the police have no powers to evict, they can only stop the property being used for prostitution.

If the OP wants to keep the tenants, and thus the brothel, my advice would be to tell nobody, and arrange quarterly maintenance checks. A sensible brothel owner will try to ensure the property does not look like a brothel for this visit. If both tenant and landlord sign the maintenance report, the landlord could use this to show that he has acted diligently. Remember, it is upto the police to prove consent

I was more thinking the threat of the police possibly turning up might be enough for the brothel manager to decide to leave asap of his or her own accord.

Unless i was benefiting from an extra amount of rent i would want them out, but as i would then be involved in the case of a raid as the brothel manager isnt likely to keep quiet about them paying me extra rent i just dont think its worth the potential hassle. :hi:

Offline ncarter

Never trust accountants, but they are better than lawyers! Always read what you are signing up for and think of how it can be interpreted. :)

Even if OP is a troll, an interesting point none-the-less. A no-win situation for the landlord at present, unless there are complaints he is doomed to suffer if he raises objections. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

@ellwood

There are different levels of landlord/agency agreements from the basic "find a tenant" agreement to a full service agreement. However, if the landlord and agency have signed an agreement to find a tenant, then there is no clause that would allow the agency to act without due diligence.

The basic due diligence would be to obtain proof of identity, income and credit worthiness. The problem is is that these can all be fabricated. Unless the person taking the tenancy states in writing that they intend to use the property as a brothel, as long as the agent can show they followed reasonable due diligence, then there is sweet fa the landlord can do.

@smiths

Agree, really not worth the risk unless you want to really be a party to a brothel

Offline smiths

@ellwood

There are different levels of landlord/agency agreements from the basic "find a tenant" agreement to a full service agreement. However, if the landlord and agency have signed an agreement to find a tenant, then there is no clause that would allow the agency to act without due diligence.

The basic due diligence would be to obtain proof of identity, income and credit worthiness. The problem is is that these can all be fabricated. Unless the person taking the tenancy states in writing that they intend to use the property as a brothel, as long as the agent can show they followed reasonable due diligence, then there is sweet fa the landlord can do.

@smiths

Agree, really not worth the risk unless you want to really be a party to a brothel

Or in my case hold a sex party at the brothel. :D ;)

Offline Jimmyredcab

Yes the risk to the OP is low, but unless he is going to ask them to pay more rent as its a brothel why would he wish them to continue using his flat as one. Its only worth the potential hassle IF he gets a higher than market rent off them in my view. And this is how some brothels get their premises, they pay way over the odds to Landlords who turn a blind eye. :hi:

The only problem is that by insisting on higher rent he will be admitting that he is aware that a brothel is operating in his property. :thumbsdown:

Offline CoolTiger

Or in my case hold a sex party at the brothel. :D ;)

I wonder how certain party providers feel when other tenants begin to notice the ins and outs going on
at their premises and /or the nosey neighbours make the landlord aware of this?

Offline smiths

The only problem is that by insisting on higher rent he will be admitting that he is aware that a brothel is operating in his property. :thumbsdown:

Which is what i have posted, so unless he is going to do that and take the risk why would he want a brothel to continue to operate from his premises. My advice in my first reply was if it were me i would want them out.

Offline smiths

I wonder how certain party providers feel when other tenants begin to notice the ins and outs going on
at their premises and /or the nosey neighbours make the landlord aware of this?

When i Partied in a Glass Warehouse on an Industrial Estate in Greenwich a few years back the guys in the unit opposite were shouting give her one for me mate and similar so knew exactly what was going on. Best to be as discreet as possible in my view. A biggish block with a communal entrance and another private entrance/exit like LMPs old premises in Lancaster Gate is the kind of place that good. :hi:

Offline ipohmali

I often punt with what you refer to as low rent EE WGs, but dont view myself as a lowlife punter who  causes any problems as i punt discreetly. In fact i find that quite offensive. Just because a punter looks for VFM so punts with EE WGs that charge low fees doesnt mean they cause nuisance or their punters do. WGs that charge high fees might cause more damage, and their punters might. As ever it will depend on the individual/s as to whether they do cause a nuisance or not.

I think you're taking offence a little too easily my friend.  I punt almost exclusively in that sort of price range - my primary driver is budget, everything is joint account so that's about top-end of what I can sneak under the radar without arousing suspicion.  Nowadays I've got settled providers in the various places I travel to regularly so I tend to stick with those and don't experiment much.  I've also found that on occasions where I had a secret windfall and ventured up the price range, I rarely if ever encountered better service even in absolute terms - never mind in VFM terms - than I have on my regular budget choices, thus reinforcing my tendency to stick with them.  In my early days though I did visit - and quickly discard!! - quite a few places where I felt uncomfortable about one of more of the location, the premises, obvious B&S places, the set-up, the sort of clientele that I felt - rightly or wrongly - might also visit, the people running the place, the neighbours or - most germane to the OP - the way they looked after the place.  So I'm not saying everyone who punts at that end of the market is a lowlife punter I know the vast majority aren't.  What I am saying is that if it is that sort of operation there's probably a bigger chance of it causing upset locally, or damage to the property, or other things the OP would rather not have to deal with, despite the discreet and well-behaved majority.

On the broader point of the OP's topic I defer to the opinion of subsequent posters who are clearly much more expert in this area.

Offline smiths

I think you're taking offence a little too easily my friend.  I punt almost exclusively in that sort of price range - my primary driver is budget, everything is joint account so that's about top-end of what I can sneak under the radar without arousing suspicion.  Nowadays I've got settled providers in the various places I travel to regularly so I tend to stick with those and don't experiment much.  I've also found that on occasions where I had a secret windfall and ventured up the price range, I rarely if ever encountered better service even in absolute terms - never mind in VFM terms - than I have on my regular budget choices, thus reinforcing my tendency to stick with them.  In my early days though I did visit - and quickly discard!! - quite a few places where I felt uncomfortable about one of more of the location, the premises, obvious B&S places, the set-up, the sort of clientele that I felt - rightly or wrongly - might also visit, the people running the place, the neighbours or - most germane to the OP - the way they looked after the place.  So I'm not saying everyone who punts at that end of the market is a lowlife punter I know the vast majority aren't.  What I am saying is that if it is that sort of operation there's probably a bigger chance of it causing upset locally, or damage to the property, or other things the OP would rather not have to deal with, despite the discreet and well-behaved majority.

On the broader point of the OP's topic I defer to the opinion of subsequent posters who are clearly much more expert in this area.

Its not for you to tell me i am taking offence a little too easily, i did so, so it was a fact. Obviously the way you worded it was why.

The rest of this post is very good in my view. :hi:

Offline Ass-Bo

Having been a lurker on this site for some time a recent event has left me with a problem and I just do not know anyone else from whom to seek advice. 

I never punt close to home but do sometime punt on my way home from work. On telephoning for details of a new establishment I had seen advertised I was shocked to be given the address of a buy to let flat I own. I let through an agency and obtained good references and 6 months rent in advance. On checking the website I can actualy identify my flat in the background of the pictures!

What do I do now? If I complain to the agency or tell my wife of my 'suspicions' how will I explain how I came by the information. Perhaps I should just keep quiet as long as the rent flows and there are no complaints and wait until someone tells me about what is going on at the flat.

You should of played the lottery that night aswell as you were definitely odds in that night :D

Depends how you feel about your place being used as a brothel... If you have no problem with it then let it slide and be none the wiser but if you do nhave a problem with it then alert the letting agent posing as a neighbour expressing your suspicion that the place is being used as a brothel and alot of men coming and going.

Personally speaking, dont actually believe this story, I notice its his first post, suspect its an adaption of various similiar stories that appear from time to time in the papers.

Offline k

My thoughts are that it is best to do nothing and say nothing. 

It could well be the case that the Agency themselves are taking cash back-handers from the tenants to keep the Agent happy.  By delving in you are going to unseat a can of worms - wait till the agreement runs its course and then take the property back.

I notice the asker has not been interacting in this thread.  I have a question: How well do you know the neighbours?  If you do then do you see them at all?  If so, you could always ask one of them whether "the tenants you've lumbered them with" are good tenants.  If they have no issues then you've got no issues.  If they say they are a bit suspicious about comings and goings then you could use that as a route to saying to the agents that your neighbours have raised concerns.  If the Agents know what's going on they have a vested interest in dealing with it.  If not then they will raise the matter with the Tenants.  They want to stay there, so they will do their best to comply with the Agent's request.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2013, 07:42:04 AM by k »

Personally speaking, dont actually believe this story, I notice its his first post, suspect its an adaption of various similiar stories that appear from time to time in the papers.

Me, too; willie.

If he were genuine, I'm sure he'd have contributed to the thread as it developed, but he's still only posted the OP.

Offline ncarter

Also logged out straight after making post and not been back since!

Could be he's away or wasn't expecting / wanting an immediate answer


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