The Phoenix Club - August 2017 - A Saturday

[TrevorN]

Thing is Mruga says she is the UK equivalent of the Kardashians . Is she off her trolly . She Is a Pimpess whilst they are not . Big difference Mruga if you reading this . You want privacy . You had no respect trying to out one of the most respected punter on here . Any way must say the Botox is doing a good job for you . As for your twins SirCharles awaits for them .

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[jeezyuk]

Thing is Mruga says she is the UK equivalent of the Kardashians . Is she off her trolly . She Is a Pimpess whilst they are not . Big difference Mruga if you reading this . You want privacy . You had no respect trying to out one of the most respected punter on here . Any way must say the Botox is doing a good job for you . As for your twins SirCharles awaits for them .

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Not just SirCharles ! 

[SirCharles]

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Just adding one more article to solidify the discussions on here.

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Glamorous models?!??  ...she has no idea of how a glamorous model is....i bid them £100 each for a gently GS..and her for £50...maybe 60! 

[jeezyuk]

For those reading this thread and the recent positive - I’ve asked the author to clarify whether any improvements have been made.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=166107.0

We will see if it was just touting or if she has done anything! Keep your eyes on UKP for the verdict!

[smiths]

I've been a 'customer' at LMP and now Phoenix Cub since 2010 (the Lancaster Gate appartment).   Was a regular, less so now.   

I went to the new venue a month or so ago and like some others I was not impressed.  Definately a step down from the previous excellent place.  Rather dingy and dowdy, needs decorating.    No sex swing !!!

However, the action was of the usual high standard and I thoroughly wore out my old aging todger yet again.

I will return - as soon as I find a good excuse to get the wife to let me into London on my own.

And banned you dodgy cunt, that's 8 and counting now banned by admin linked to TPC, white knights, touts, slagging off UKP and threats, what a bunch of cunts. Thanks admin.

[The_Don]

I've been a 'customer' at LMP and now Phoenix Cub since 2010 (the Lancaster Gate appartment).   Was a regular, less so now.   

I went to the new venue a month or so ago and like some others I was not impressed.  Definately a step down from the previous excellent place.  Rather dingy and dowdy, needs decorating.    No sex swing !!!

However, the action was of the usual high standard and I thoroughly wore out my old aging todger yet again.

I will return - as soon as I find a good excuse to get the wife to let me into London on my own.

Banning reason: Dodgy

Thought so.

He had to join sometime.

And banned you dodgy cunt, that's 8 and counting now banned by admin linked to TPC, white knights, touts, slagging off UKP and threats, what a bunch of cunts. Thanks admin.

[smiths]

Thought so.

Its the convenient way he just happened to join when a negative review on TPC was done, and posted how good he thought TPC was, and he then felt the need to report to admin a post that admin had already posted was ok. I say he, could of been anyone including the TPC pimp, there is a concerted effort by TPC and a number of their white knights and touts to undermine TPC on here hence the 8 banned so far, there are more on here. They wont succeed.

[punk]

I'm shocked that Godfreyp is banned,who would have thought it.   

[Chorley]

Well that's it, my mind is made up.
EM, or whatever she's called this week and her gang of touts/pimps have convinced me that I will NEVER spend any of my hard earned with such a corrupt, dishonest and nasty group of people.

[TrevorN]

Well that's it, my mind is made up. EM, or whatever she's called this week and her gang of touts/pimps have convinced me that I will NEVER spend any of my hard earned with such a corrupt, dishonest and nasty group of people.

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[Brazilian Martian]

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    VT won't be happy with that 

[smiths]

That's now 9 banned connected to TPC, latest being Ace0907 who was previously banned who said they were Emma of TPC.

[jeezyuk]

You lot are 

[jeezyuk]

It's just my personal opinion smiths, as you are entitled to yours. I can speak with personal experience and am putting my money where my mouth is, why would I waste 2 entry fees in recent months if it really was piss-poor VFM and there was something better out there for the money??

The OP certainly sounds like he got his £26.67 worth out of Cindy. 

I agreed that the various issues pointed out by the OP do need addressing, but as others have said, the absence of serious competition seems to have allowed room for standards to slip. I'm definitely not excusing it though.

Because there is nothing better doesn’t mean you throw money at what remains.

Would you shag Kim Jong Un if he was on the TPC lineup ?

Boycotts and protests yield results not blind patronisation

Whilst I got my £26.67 worth from Cindy - I should get £53.34 back for Toni’s lacklustre performance and Asia’s ugly face. Add £13.34 on top of that for Ruby’s bad breath and £15 to overlook the flat’s condition and I would give this visit a rating of Outstanding!

Em - where’s my £81.68 refind? ... incidentally this is more than 50% of £160 ... which means I was less than satisfied if the pass mark is 50%

Now that’s some math for you ! P.S I didn’t even factor in the greater than 2:1 ratio when I arrived - but I thought it only fair to do so given Toni got me to pop

Hopefully she adds Preeti and Priya to the lineup ... because I have cash waiting to punt and nowhere to spend it!  jk .. will visit if she makes improvements

[Sinz]

Because there is nothing better doesn’t mean you throw money at what remains.

Would you shag Kim Jong Un if he was on the TPC lineup ?

Boycotts and protests yield results not blind patronisation

Whilst I got my £26.67 worth from Cindy - I should get £53.34 back for Toni’s lacklustre performance and Asia’s ugly face. Add £13.34 on top of that for Ruby’s bad breath and £15 to overlook the flat’s condition and I would give this visit a rating of Outstanding!

Em - where’s my £81.68 refind? ... incidentally this is more than 50% of £160 ... which means I was less than satisfied if the pass mark is 50%

Now that’s some math for you ! P.S I didn’t even factor in the greater than 2:1 ratio when I arrived - but I thought it only fair to do so given Toni got me to pop

Hopefully she adds Preeti and Priya to the lineup ... because I have cash waiting to punt and nowhere to spend it!  jk .. will visit if she makes improvements

 

vt will be struggling for a comeback with this one, probably busy with his calculator trying to caluculate different ways to reach £26.67, reminds me of the tv show conundrum.

But I am certain he will be back with something even more stupid.

[TrevorN]

vt will be struggling for a comeback with this one, probably busy with his calculator trying to caluculate different ways to reach £26.67, reminds me of the tv show conundrum.

But I am certain he will be back with something even more stupid.

Mruga/Emma is away for the weekend now . So any reply won't be till Monday , as that's when TPC tout and Mruga the TPC pimp will discuss what to spin next on UKP .

Or maybe doing her designer shopping spree today .

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[vt]

Mruga/Emma is away for the weekend now . So any reply won't be till Monday , as that's when TPC tout and Mruga the TPC pimp will discuss what to spin next on UKP .

Or maybe doing her designer shopping spree today .

You guys crack me up! 

Just don't go if you don't want to...I don't know what the obsession is with bashing a place you've never set foot in! 

Is it because you want to set up a rival with your own stable of EE beauties or because you can't afford it and are jealous?? 

Leave the girls to us who enjoy going, we can manage fine without you! 

[Sinz]

You guys crack me up! 

You sure seem to be cracked.

Just don't go if you don't want to...I don't know what the obsession is with bashing a place you've never set foot in! 

I have set more than a foot in TPC, but I don't see the reason or need to keep white-knighting for them.

Is it because you want to set up a rival with your own stable of EE beauties or because you can't afford it and are jealous?? 

That is something only a pimp could think of not a punter. Again shows your biased nature

Leave the girls to us who enjoy going, we can manage fine without you! 

If you haven't noticed, your defensive, biased nature is the main thing, fuelling the hatred of sensible punters towards TPC. The day you stop white-knighting and wiping their arse, TPC has better chances.

Oh and there won't be any girls left to enjoy for you at the rate TPC is going.

[TrevorN]

Is it because you want to set up a rival with your own stable of EE beauties or because you can't afford it and are jealous?? 

The above statement clarifys what VT is ....deffo has links with The Phoenix Club . The most non punter statement to make . I know what you are now ...

[punk]

Is it because you want to set up a rival with your own stable of EE beauties or because you can't afford it and are jealous?? 

Straight from a tout's mouth. 

[jeezyuk]

I don’t have any grudge against vt .. I just sat there doing the math in my head and I realised how dissatisfactiry the experience was ...

Plus I just can’t understand the blind patronisation

[davidgood]

Last Friday afternoon I was at a party which included one of the TPC girls who is not exclusive to them.

Having a chat with her she told me that most of the parties she does for Em are still fairly busy but a lot of the customers these days are not UK locals. Instead they are guys from abroad who are in London on business and want to try parties they have heard about.

I expect they are all well paid guys and happy to pay £160 for a two hour party.

So that may explain why TPC continues to thrive despite all the concerns which have been raised on here,

Regards,

davidgood

[vw]

because you can't afford it and are jealous?? 

sort of comment i would expect from a prossie.   

[smiths]

You guys crack me up! 

Just don't go if you don't want to...I don't know what the obsession is with bashing a place you've never set foot in! 

Is it because you want to set up a rival with your own stable of EE beauties or because you can't afford it and are jealous?? 

Leave the girls to us who enjoy going, we can manage fine without you! 

Yeah I want to set up a rival outfit and risk getting nicked, subject to POCA and have my life fucked up. What you and your fellow touts wont do is silence the rest of us.

And so its clear there is NO rule on UKP that says a punter has to have punted somewhere for them to post about it, countless punters comment on WGs and brothels they haven't punted with and through. So try to undermine as much as you can, you are now a joke on here as too many of us know what you are, you pimp loving arse licking tout.

[fudi_maar]

Last Friday afternoon I was at a party which included one of the TPC girls who is not exclusive to them.

Having a chat with her she told me that most of the parties she does for Em are still fairly busy but a lot of the customers these days are not UK locals. Instead they are guys from abroad who are in London on business and want to try parties they have heard about.

I expect they are all well paid guys and happy to pay £160 for a two hour party.

So that may explain why TPC continues to thrive despite all the concerns which have been raised on here,

Regards,

davidgood

My experience also. Every time I have been in the last few months, the parties are well-attended with good banter. There seems to be a lot of overseas people in London generally I think - most of the WG's here are now non-English, and I guess a lot of the punters are also non-English. I met a guy there about 5 years (LMP then) who used to fly in from Norway once a month just for the parties!

[Kingy28]

My experience also. Every time I have been in the last few months, the parties are well-attended with good banter. There seems to be a lot of overseas people in London generally I think - most of the WG's here are now non-English, and I guess a lot of the punters are also non-English. I met a guy there about 5 years (LMP then) who used to fly in from Norway once a month just for the parties!

There was a French guy at Westminster who would buy his eurostar ticket weeks in advance & come over for ay least two parties in a day. I can't remember his nick but he used to post on the lmp forum  (although I hardly ever heard him speak English!)

[vt]

My experience also. Every time I have been in the last few months, the parties are well-attended with good banter. There seems to be a lot of overseas people in London generally I think - most of the WG's here are now non-English, and I guess a lot of the punters are also non-English. I met a guy there about 5 years (LMP then) who used to fly in from Norway once a month just for the parties!

I met a Norwegian guy on a recent visit, an American guy on my last visit, but I would say the majority of the guys I've met there are still from London or the Home Counties, though as you say, London is a very cosmopolitan place now.

[vt]

There was a French guy at Westminster who would buy his eurostar ticket weeks in advance & come over for ay least two parties in a day. I can't remember his nick but he used to post on the lmp forum  (although I hardly ever heard him speak English!)

Yes, I remember him. His username was ILoveJewels or ILJ, he had a thing for Jewels Chelsea, as many of us did.

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Last time I saw him he had lost a bit of weight, haven't seen him for a while though, though I could easily have missed him as I'm only there once a month or so.

[Mcping]

I’m certainly not local in any way but will always try and make time for TPC whenever I’m in London.

If I’m feeling particularly flush I’d happily make TPC the reason to travel to London especially if the line up looks good !

[smiths]

Straight from a tout's mouth. 

Indeed correct Punk, but some have got it wrong, VT IS a punter, what he does is sell his touting to pimps, so previously he got a then secret discount off the divines which he admitted when Chloe Kisses ran MK Escorts for them, now its TPC, and who knows what he gets, there wont be receipts.

Its a good modus in that he will and does punt elsewhere and does reviews so that helps with credibility, the problem he has is more apart from me are on to him now, he must tout for TPC on here, and the post above shows he has pushed it too hard, a non white knight tout wouldn't post that in my view.

[Mcping]

Last Friday afternoon I was at a party which included one of the TPC girls who is not exclusive to them.

Having a chat with her she told me that most of the parties she does for Em are still fairly busy but a lot of the customers these days are not UK locals. Instead they are guys from abroad who are in London on business and want to try parties they have heard about.

I expect they are all well paid guys and happy to pay £160 for a two hour party.

So that may explain why TPC continues to thrive despite all the concerns which have been raised on here,

Regards,

davidgood

Davidgood - I’m really keen to try other parties. What party was this??? Anygood?

[jeezyuk]

Yes, I remember him. His username was ILoveJewels or ILJ, he had a thing for Jewels Chelsea, as many of us did.

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Last time I saw him he had lost a bit of weight, haven't seen him for a while though, though I could easily have missed him as I'm only there once a month or so.

Is Jewels still active? I want to shave her fml

[vt]

Indeed correct Punk, but some have got it wrong, VT IS a punter, what he does is sell his touting to pimps, so previously he got a then secret discount off the divines which he admitted when Chloe Kisses ran MK Escorts for them, now its TPC, and who knows what he gets, there wont be receipts.

Its a good modus in that he will and does punt elsewhere and does reviews so that helps with credibility, the problem he has is more apart from me are on to him now, he must tout for TPC on here, and the post above shows he has pushed it too hard, a non white knight tout wouldn't post that in my view.

I have defended TPC when false assumptions are made and equally I have agreed with some of the justified criticisms, all party providers have their issues, none are perfect, though we should be holding them to account to see punters' interests put first. That has always been my stance in accord with the ethos of this site. 

The reason I post on TPC threads is because I enjoy going there and I do have relevant experience and information to add unlike those who've never been near the place whose info is all recycled from other sources at best...and invented & sensationalised at worst in the case of TrevorN.

I hand over my own hard-earned when I go, so all your smears are another figment of your paranoid imagination. Why would I waste even a penny of my own cash on something that's as crap as some would like to make out?? It doesn't make sense! 

[vt]

Is Jewels still active? I want to shave her fml

Save her or shave her?? 

Sadly you can't do either, I believe she's no longer active after she moved to Belgium to settle down & start a family. She did return briefly after her first child and I saw her once, but that was a few years ago now.

[jeezyuk]

Save her or shave her?? 

Sadly you can't do either, I believe she's no longer active after she moved to Belgium to settle down & start a family. She did return briefly after her first child and I saw her once, but that was a few years ago now.

Was meant to be Shag not Shave ... iPhone spellcheck again 

[jeezyuk]

Why would I waste even a penny of my own cash on something that's as crap as some would like to make out?? It doesn't make sense! 

Only crap recently ... save your hard earned for a while ... let Em fix her establishment

[smiths]

I have defended TPC when false assumptions are made and equally I have agreed with some of the justified criticisms, all party providers have their issues, none are perfect, though we should be holding them to account to see punters' interests put first. That has always been my stance in accord with the ethos of this site. 

The reason I post on TPC threads is because I enjoy going there and I do have relevant experience and information to add unlike those who've never been near the place whose info is all recycled from other sources at best...and invented & sensationalised at worst in the case of TrevorN.

I hand over my own hard-earned when I go, so all your smears are another figment of your paranoid imagination. Why would I waste even a penny of my own cash on something that's as crap as some would like to make out?? It doesn't make sense! 

It ALL depends on taking your word for it, I don't trust your word as I have made clear. I assume you do go to TPC at least sometimes to get whatever discount you have agreed in exchange for your white knight touting on here.

As I posted I have never said you weren't a punter, you being a punter is how you get yourself into the position to offer your touting services to pimps, previously the divines and now TPC.

[TrevorN]

@VT Don't you have any guilty conscience of telling porkies about The Phoenix Club and twisting negativity . You are getting discounts for your touting .

Genuine full paying customers are spunking there £ up the wall because of your BS . Have some respect and tell the truth then taking back handers of free punts at TPC or discounted parties ....

[jeezyuk]

I wonder if admin ever checked VT’s logs against known banned WKs from TPC.

Would be interesting if the servers ever matched. That would settle the matter. Either innocent or guilty he would be !

Not trying to call you out VT - just that the people deserve to know - you are now one of the big mysteries of UKP and TPC!

I’m 50:50 when it comes to you being Em/Moss/WK.

[vt]

@VT Don't you have any guilty conscience of telling porkies about The Phoenix Club and twisting negativity . You are getting discounts for your touting .

Genuine full paying customers are spunking there £ up the wall because of your BS . Have some respect and tell the truth then taking back handers of free punts at TPC or discounted parties ....

I don't post lies on here unlike yourself who starts whole threads to promulgate them, so fuck off with your spurious slurs and examine your own conscience! 

You really think Em would offer a free party or backhander to anyone?? You're even nuttier than I thought you were. 

And if it were true that I receive a discount in exchange for touting, that would presuppose that I would still be shelling out & wasting a large proportion of my hard-earned punting budget on a crap experience just so I can come on here and lie about it and say it was good when it wasn't just to dupe other punters. Please tell me that you didn't think that through before you posted it. If you really believe that, you are a complete dumbfuck!

So far on this thread I've been accused of being a 'prossie', a 'tout', Em, Moss, 'one of the big mysteries of UKP', a 'banned WK'...FFS read my reviews and my content, that will tell you who I am, do you think I could keep up a pretense of making it all up for nearly 5 years if it wasn't true?? 

Look I'll tell you what, I'm tiring of this crap, I want a quiet life, I didn't join this site to argue with fellow punters. I had enough of forum wars with the prossies & pimps on PN.

As it seems to upset some of you, I'm going to avoid posting anything on TPC for a while, so you can all fight it out amongst yourselves, I'm past caring.

Peace out brothers! 

[An tUasal Liathroid Mor]

I have been following these LMP/TPC ''debates'' on here with interest over the past few months.....I must say I am really surprised by the level of vitriol involved.....too much IMHO.....WTF did EM/Moss do to deserve this???.

Yes....I know the standard has slipped considerably from the glory days of LG.  I have been going to these parties since 2004....ie the Marylebone High Street days...clocked up well over 200 parties in that period..and have been... broadly speaking..... happy...and from what I can gather from recent visits is that EM is trying to improve things.

The reality is that EM is the only provider of these parties in town...and there are still a few good girls working there...ie Daniela , Yana , Nicole..and Adrienne.   I personally mentioned to EM a few weeks back that a return of the MILF Monday format would be an undoubted success....EM if you are reading this...please give this idea  serious consideration.....and there is a plentiful supply of quality MILFs working/available.....in particular Hungarian ....look up Post Codes NW9 , HA3 etc.....she could even lay on some Goulash on these days...instead on the usual nibbles.

Relax everyone...its only punting ....and having fun/an enjoyable afternoon...

[Sinz]

I have been following these LMP/TPC ''debates'' on here with interest over the past few months.....I must say I am really surprised by the level of vitriol involved.....too much IMHO.....WTF did EM/Moss do to deserve this???.

Yes....I know the standard has slipped considerably from the glory days of LG.  I have been going to these parties since 2004....ie the Marylebone High Street days...clocked up well over 200 parties in that period..and have been... broadly speaking..... happy...and from what I can gather from recent visits is that EM is trying to improve things.

The reality is that EM is the only provider of these parties in town...and there are still a few good girls working there...ie Daniela , Yana , Nicole..and Adrienne.   I personally mentioned to EM a few weeks back that a return of the MILF Monday format would be an undoubted success....EM if you are reading this...please give this idea  serious consideration.....and there is a plentiful supply of quality MILFs working/available.....in particular Hungarian ....look up Post Codes NW9 , HA3 etc.....she could even lay on some Goulash on these days...instead on the usual nibbles.

Relax everyone...its only punting ....and having fun/an enjoyable afternoon...

Thanks for the insight, now if you can start sharing your experiences of these parties you have attended, it would actually help punters to take your comments seriously. Otherwise your are just another tout.

[TrevorN]

IMHO.....WTF did EM/Moss do to deserve this???.

You've been following with interest and you ask this question..

[vw]

I have been following these LMP/TPC ''debates'' on here with interest over the past few months.....I must say I am really surprised by the level of vitriol involved.....too much IMHO.....WTF did EM/Moss do to deserve this???.

Yes....I know the standard has slipped considerably from the glory days of LG.  I have been going to these parties since 2004....ie the Marylebone High Street days...clocked up well over 200 parties in that period..and have been... broadly speaking..... happy...and from what I can gather from recent visits is that EM is trying to improve things.

The reality is that EM is the only provider of these parties in town...and there are still a few good girls working there...ie Daniela , Yana , Nicole..and Adrienne.   I personally mentioned to EM a few weeks back that a return of the MILF Monday format would be an undoubted success....EM if you are reading this...please give this idea  serious consideration.....and there is a plentiful supply of quality MILFs working/available.....in particular Hungarian ....look up Post Codes NW9 , HA3 etc.....she could even lay on some Goulash on these days...instead on the usual nibbles.

Relax everyone...its only punting ....and having fun/an enjoyable afternoon...

Whats with all the dots?   

Where is the vitriol you speak of ?      Why do WK's use that word so much. 

[An tUasal Liathroid Mor]

Thanks for the insight, now if you can start sharing your experiences of these parties you have attended, it would actually help punters to take your comments seriously. Otherwise your are just another tout.

Listen...wanker....WTF do you want me 'to share'???...I went to a party.... 4/5 birds sucked my cock....I came in 3 pussies???....I personally don't give a fuck if you or anyone else on here takes me ''seriously'' or not.....

Take it or leave it....pillock.....

[vw]

Listen...wanker....WTF do you want me 'to share'???...I went to a party.... 4/5 birds sucked my cock....I came in 3 pussies???....I personally don't give a fuck if you or anyone else on here takes me ''seriously'' or not.....

Take it or leave it....pillock.....

so they do cum in pussy ?   

[Sinz]

Listen...wanker....WTF do you want me 'to share'???...I went to a party.... 4/5 birds sucked my cock....I came in 3 pussies???....I personally don't give a fuck if you or anyone else on here takes me ''seriously'' or not.....

Take it or leave it....pillock.....

Well twat, you don't have to have to respond like a numb nut.

Was simply asking to share your experience on TPC, as you haven't shared any and you say you have punted there since dawn of time, fucking dinosaur.

I don't normally talk this way, but had to stoop to your level.

[jeezyuk]

Listen...wanker....WTF do you want me 'to share'???...I went to a party.... 4/5 birds sucked my cock....I came in 3 pussies???....I personally don't give a fuck if you or anyone else on here takes me ''seriously'' or not.....

Take it or leave it....pillock.....

Best take a sabbatical like VT too mate. 

[jeezyuk]

so they do cum in pussy ?   

Isn’t that where you’re biologically meant to cum?

[smiths]

I don't post lies on here unlike yourself who starts whole threads to promulgate them, so fuck off with your spurious slurs and examine your own conscience! 

You really think Em would offer a free party or backhander to anyone?? You're even nuttier than I thought you were. 

And if it were true that I receive a discount in exchange for touting, that would presuppose that I would still be shelling out & wasting a large proportion of my hard-earned punting budget on a crap experience just so I can come on here and lie about it and say it was good when it wasn't just to dupe other punters. Please tell me that you didn't think that through before you posted it. If you really believe that, you are a complete dumbfuck!

So far on this thread I've been accused of being a 'prossie', a 'tout', Em, Moss, 'one of the big mysteries of UKP', a 'banned WK'...FFS read my reviews and my content, that will tell you who I am, do you think I could keep up a pretense of making it all up for nearly 5 years if it wasn't true?? 

Look I'll tell you what, I'm tiring of this crap, I want a quiet life, I didn't join this site to argue with fellow punters. I had enough of forum wars with the prossies & pimps on PN.

As it seems to upset some of you, I'm going to avoid posting anything on TPC for a while, so you can all fight it out amongst yourselves, I'm past caring.

Peace out brothers! 

Classic, playing the victim now going for sympathy. Its all very simple though some cant grasp it, you are a punter, i have never said otherwise BUT you sell your touting to pimps, you did it with the divines and admitted getting a then "secret discount" off them and are now doing it with TPC in my view.

 I for one also never said TPC couldn't offer a good service and is shit all the time. What I said was ALL TPCs punters should get the same good service like i got when it was LMP, Em could do it then as LMP was almost universally praised, so she could do it now. Some have reported the max ratio being exceeded and /or the rota being changed without being informed on Twitter, i heard the latter now gets updated, i hope that is the case for punters. And i also hope the max ratio no longer gets exceeded.

9 posters linked to TPC have been banned on here recently, for white knighting, touting, making veiled threats and slagging UKP off. 2 posters claiming to be Em and Moss have posted and been banned as double nickers showing no respect for admins rules. TPC and such posters WILL NOT undermine UKP as they are trying to do.