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Offline hendrix

you book her I will do the filming and lighting, we want it professional so he doesnt get upset  :drinks:

:D deal!  :drinks: I'll bring along a couple of BBC's and trannys just to keep things vanilla.

grandmaster-ram-rod

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:D deal!  :drinks: I'll bring along a couple of BBC's and trannys just to keep things vanilla.

and a sybian incase the BBCs get tired  :yahoo:

yorkshire123

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In my short time on this forum i have learned many things, one is if you goad the genuine contributors it will only end one way.

I tried to warn you......
Now your last memory of your precious girl will be the sight of hendrix's bollocks resting on her chin in full Technicolor (possibly HD) while one of his chicks with dicks takes her up the arse.

vorian

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Gentlemen, I think this might be the girl he is talking about,  :unknown:

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It might not be of course as he would not share the link.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2014, 01:21:27 pm by vorian »

yorkshire123

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Gentlemen, I think this might be the girl he is talking about,  :unknown:

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My thoughts exactly

grandmaster-ram-rod

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she needs to lose some weight, a session with hendrix and co will sort that tummy out

renatus

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:D deal!  :drinks: I'll bring along a couple of BBC's and trannys just to keep things vanilla.

Hmm, ok, if you are willing to spend money looking through my past shags to get there then that golden clunge is yours i guess. I will not be able to begrudge you if you are that determined.

Offline Dani

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WTF! Is this guy for real.  he comes here asking for details on every other girl he likes the looks of yet when asked for details about a girl who gives a good service he refuses as he would not like to think anyone from here went to see her as he thinks he is better than the punters here  His words although condensed a bit.

This guy is a raving loony.  He has feelings for a girl he has seen for a whole hour altogether and at least half of that was for sex so knows absolutely nothing about her.
All this shit about she told her church blah blah blah is bollocks as if she did the church would allow her to stay if she quit and repented immediately but if she carried on they would not welcome her there at all. So either she made that up or he did.  I keep saying this to men and feel like a broken record, you only see and hear her prossie persona and that is not real life at all.  We tend to make up a load of shite if pressed for details about our lives as we don't want to discuss them with a total stranger.  Yes you are a total stranger she has met you for two half hours.  You don't know each other. YOu may have been honest with her but I can bet my life that she wasn't with you.  No prossie is stupid enough to tell all to a guy she has just met especially as we know those who are going to latch on or not regardless of what they tell us.  Body language makes it quite obvious so believe me she probably knows you are one of those guys who thinks he falls in love with everyone.

as for the comment before about shagging 10 men a day making you hardened to it.  It doesn't matter if it is one a week or ten a day it just does not make sense to get involved with clients.  You paid for a fantasy, you got that fantasy. Good on her.  However I pity any other prossie you see who is good at her job as it will be the same all over again.  You thinking there was a connection and that she was as attracted to you as you are to her.

I personally would love to know who she is so I could warn her to never see you again and point her to this post as to why.  She would block your number quicker than you can dial it

Tjkooker

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Suprised nobody else has done this. Oi Renanus fuck right off you self righteous pompous asshole. Go and take your religous education and shag a choir boy or your sister. Its what you lot seem to do best.

grandmaster-ram-rod

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but he has a posh education, but sadly didnt manage to get a post grad postion, most likely got a 3  in  international politics  :dance:

Offline mattylondon

Maybe. In that case, laters.
Go cry me a river, you arrogant and attention seeking little snide. Why are you here? :cry:

This isn't unique. A man punts a prossie, falls for her and is angry because the feeling isn't mutual. She shares some private thoughts and compliments, so now you arrogantly presume to know her? Do you live with her? Do you share any meaningful social time with her outside of the punt? No, of course you don't. In reality, you have an insight but you don't truly know her.  :hi:

In business, people have preferences. I suspect her compliments fall into the relief category. I note you've been all too happy to request other punters share but won't do the same here. Is this because you cannot bear the thought that she's a prostitute and that some members here may want to fuck her?  :D

Prostitution can be a very lonely business for a woman. That leaves some emotionally open to a manipulative and boundary pushing cunt. People like you. People who are try to take advantage and should keep their big noses out. Do you honestly believe that punters care where you were educated? It's a pattern with you. The attempt to stand apart from other punters. Like your shit smells sweeter. No doubt this is a line you perpetuate with this woman. That you're different and not like other punters.  :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: April 19, 2014, 02:30:49 pm by mattylondon »

renatus

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WTF! Is this guy for real.  he comes here asking for details on every other girl he likes the looks of yet when asked for details about a girl who gives a good service he refuses as he would not like to think anyone from here went to see her as he thinks he is better than the punters here  His words although condensed a bit.

This guy is a raving loony.  He has feelings for a girl he has seen for a whole hour altogether and at least half of that was for sex so knows absolutely nothing about her.
All this shit about she told her church blah blah blah is bollocks as if she did the church would allow her to stay if she quit and repented immediately but if she carried on they would not welcome her there at all. So either she made that up or he did.  I keep saying this to men and feel like a broken record, you only see and hear her prossie persona and that is not real life at all.  We tend to make up a load of shite if pressed for details about our lives as we don't want to discuss them with a total stranger.  Yes you are a total stranger she has met you for two half hours.  You don't know each other. YOu may have been honest with her but I can bet my life that she wasn't with you. No prossie is stupid enough to tell all to a guy she has just met especially as we know those who are going to latch on or not regardless of what they tell us.  Body language makes it quite obvious so believe me she probably knows you are one of those guys who thinks he falls in love with everyone.

as for the comment before about shagging 10 men a day making you hardened to it.  It doesn't matter if it is one a week or ten a day it just does not make sense to get involved with clients.  You paid for a fantasy, you got that fantasy. Good on her.  However I pity any other prossie you see who is good at her job as it will be the same all over again.  You thinking there was a connection and that she was as attracted to you as you are to her.

I personally would love to know who she is so I could warn her to never see you again and point her to this post as to why.  She would block your number quicker than you can dial it

You assume i told her the truth also. I also know how to act and cover my back just in case.

Now you are just making things up about me, dangerous road and illegal under torts if you start making things up about my real identity. Maybe you are falling into your own fantasy about men falling in love with everyone they meet. If you are one of those that are so suspicious, does that not degrade you to take our money? Since we are all mad and bad punters according to your paranoia.

I have done nothing wrong. I caught feelings. I am walking away. It does not matter if she blocks me for i am not going back to any escort. If it is going to be an escort, it would just be sex and no chat. It would be one that does not speak the language (or does not do small talk) and is just there for the sex. For my pride, i have learnt my lesson, never again. And i would degrade myself if i ever let any prostitute bullshit me around like this again.

grandmaster-ram-rod

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Renatus, do you have or will you ever have any information punting related  that you can/will be able to share with other site members, if not please may I ask why you're here? :unknown:

renatus

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Go cry me a river, you arrogant and attention seeking little snide. Why are you here? :cry:

This isn't unique. A man punts a prossie, falls for her and is angry because the feeling isn't mutual. She shares some private thoughts and compliments, so now you arrogantly presume to know her? Do you live with her? Do you share any meaningful social time with her outside of the punt? No, of course you don't. In reality, you have an insight but you don't truly know her.  :hi:

In business, people have preferences. I suspect her compliments fall into the relief category. I note you've been all too happy to request other punters share but won't do the same here. Is this because you cannot bear the thought that she's a prostitute and that some members here may want to fuck her?  :D

Prostitution can be a very lonely business for a woman. That leaves some emotionally open to a manipulative and boundary pushing cunt. People like you. People who are try to take advantage and should keep their big noses out. Do you honestly believe that punters care where you were educated? It's a pattern with you. The attempt to stand apart from other punters. Like your shit smells sweeter. No doubt this is a line you perpetuate with this woman. That you're different and not like other punters.  :rolleyes:

You are right. What the fuck was i thinking? But hey, at least i covered my backside well and I don't need to see her anymore. Members can fuck her if they want. But they will have to ask around with the details of this thread if they want to find me. If they find the girl, then hey, you deserve it for your persistence.

My conscience is clean. I have not done anything wrong in all of my punting career. Your assumptions are therefore empty. I just fell in love. It hurts, yes, but i will get over it. I will learn not to fall into the same bullshit type of conversation again.

« Last Edit: April 19, 2014, 02:39:19 pm by renatus »

renatus

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Renatus, do you have or will you ever have any information punting related  that you can/will be able to share with other site members, if not please may I ask why you're here? :unknown:

I wrote a field report on another members field report page. I like the content of the site sometimes. But, our time together is finished i am afraid due to irreconcilable differences.

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Dangerous road and illegal under torts and making things up about you WTF!!
I was telling you that you know nothing about her.  You met her for two half hours.  She will tell you what she thinks you want to hear or what she thinks will end the subject.
You really don't get what this game is about do you.  Its about paying a girl to basically lie to you for the time you are with her.  You pay for a fantasy which she gives you.  That is it.  I am not making stuff up or on a dangerous road or doing anything illegal.  I am telling you what you really don't want to hear.
stay well away from punting as it is not for you as you don't seem to understand what it really is as you say you wont ruin your pride letting a prossie bullshit you but that's what you pay her for.  would you prefer you paid her and she sat there saying I don't want to touch you as I am not attracted to you in any way. I find you repulsive so don't touch me and then start gaging over the thought of it.  Of course not you pay her to bullshit you

Offline mattylondon

I will learn not to fall into the same bullshit type of conversation again.
This board is all about opinions. All I do is express mine, be they right or wrong.

This reads to me as if you've either been played or allowed yourself to be. Better to enjoy the punt and not try to take advantage or believe too much what a prossie tells you, 'in confidence'.  Manipulation works both ways. As you say, lesson learned.  :hi:
« Last Edit: April 19, 2014, 02:45:58 pm by mattylondon »

grandmaster-ram-rod

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I wrote a field report on another members field report page. I like the content of the site sometimes. But, our time together is finished i am afraid due to irreconcilable differences.

ok bye then, don't let the door hit your arse on your way out  :hi:

vorian

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I wrote a field report on another members field report page. I like the content of the site sometimes. But, our time together is finished i am afraid due to irreconcilable differences.

I think you will find %%%, welcomes the self deluding "boundary pushing" types as members. Have fun with Chloe and her pals. :hi:

Offline mattylondon

I think you will find %%%, welcomes the self deluding "boundary pushing" types as members. Have fun with Chloe and her pals. :hi:
Indeed they do. It's called being in a delusional state of mind. It's full of them.  :cool:

renatus

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Dangerous road and illegal under torts and making things up about you WTF!!
I was telling you that you know nothing about her.  You met her for two half hours.  She will tell you what she thinks you want to hear or what she thinks will end the subject.
You really don't get what this game is about do you.  Its about paying a girl to basically lie to you for the time you are with her.  You pay for a fantasy which she gives you.  That is it.  I am not making stuff up or on a dangerous road or doing anything illegal.  I am telling you what you really don't want to hear.
stay well away from punting as it is not for you as you don't seem to understand what it really is as you say you wont ruin your pride letting a prossie bullshit you but that's what you pay her for.  would you prefer you paid her and she sat there saying I don't want to touch you as I am not attracted to you in any way. I find you repulsive so don't touch me and then start gaging over the thought of it.  Of course not you pay her to bullshit you

Well, you said that i fall in love with every prossie. If you said that about me in public you would be sued. For it is a lie.

Well, i did not know about the lie part no. I thought it was just sex and light hearted chat. Not full blown lying about a dead father and a broken home.  Are you telling me i wanted to know about that? I was emotionally manipulated this time yes, i will give you that.

vorian

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I was emotionally manipulated this time yes, i will give you that.

So can you post the link of this prossie, please. :hi:

grandmaster-ram-rod

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Well, you said that i fall in love with every prossie. If you said that about me in public you would be sued. For it is a lie.

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I can see the court case now,  renatus  "he the acused  said I fall in love with every pro$$ie I see"

the Judge   " the scoundral I award you 10 million pounds"

yorkshire123

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Well, you said that i fall in love with every prossie. If you said that about me in public you would be sued. For it is a lie.


How old are you? Fuckwit

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Well, you said that i fall in love with every prossie. If you said that about me in public you would be sued. For it is a lie.

 I was emotionally manipulated this time yes, i will give you that.

First off it is not a lie it is an observation and you cannot sue someone for an observation nor can you sue someone for lying if someone did tell a lie.  You can only sue for libel or slander that causes you either harm mental or physical or affects your life or work.


You were also not emotionally manipulated. Believe me we NEVER want a client falling for us.  It is not nice trying to deal with a guy who thinks you are special to him when you cannot even remember his name or what he bloody well looks like.  Its horrible having to explain to someone they are just one in a long line.  You chose to see her.  It was your feelings not hers.  don't blame her for you not being able to tell the difference between reality and fantasy.
You didn't expect her to lie  Oh Please.  You did not want the truth or you would not have paid for sex.  Clients don't want to hear we find them ugly or crap in bed, they want to pay so they don't get any of that shite.  Its a fantasy for god sake.  She did nothing worng she just did her job as she should have

Reading your drivel I am stating to think the whole story is made up and is just a school holiday  prank by a bored school kid.  No one falls in love after an hour.  Nor do they blame the person for manipulating them emotionally because they did.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2014, 03:18:46 pm by Dani »

vorian

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I'm beginning to get the feeling that he might not be willing to post a link. :unknown:

grandmaster-ram-rod

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I'm beginning to get the feeling that he might not be willing to post a link. :unknown:

what makes you think that V ?

renatus

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First off it is not a lie it is an observation and you cannot sue someone for an observation nor can you sue someone for lying if someone did tell a lie.  You can only sue for libel or slander that causes you either harm mental or physical or affects your life or work.


You were also not emotionally manipulated. Believe me we NEVER want a client falling for us.  It is not nice trying to deal with a guy who thinks you are special to him when you cannot even remember his name or what he bloody well looks like.  Its horrible having to explain to someone they are just one in a long line.  You chose to see her.  It was your feelings not hers.  don't blame her for you not being able to tell the difference between reality and fantasy.
You didn't expect her to lie  Oh Please.  You did not want the truth or you would not have paid for sex.  Clients don't want to hear we find them ugly or crap in bed, they want to pay so they don't get any of that shite.  Its a fantasy for god sake.  She did nothing worng she just did her job as she should have

Reading your drivel I am stating to think the whole story is made up and is just a school holiday  prank by a bored school kid.  No one falls in love after an hour.  Nor do they blame the person for manipulating them emotionally because they did.

If in a hypothetical scenario it comes down to it, we will see what the lawyers would say.

What was her motive behind lying or even talking about a dead father then? Was she just sick in the head or something? She could have lied about anything but why that? I am not telling you she should not have a fantasy lie, i am just saying that she needs to tone it down before she gets herself in trouble potentially with someone else. Her problem, not mine. I did not press her for such information, she came out with it. Whatever, my conscience is clean.


vorian

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what makes you think that V ?

I don't know, just a gut feeling, maybe I'm wrong  :D

renatus

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 U mad i'm stylin on u brah? sho sho mad.

LL

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What was her motive behind lying or even talking about a dead father then?
Sounds like a delay tactic designed to put you off having sex with her.  :hi:
I'd certainly lose my wood if something like that came up in conversation.

grandmaster-ram-rod

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I don't know, just a gut feeling, maybe I'm wrong  :D


I think he might have to reveal when he sues Dani for slander, I'm sure she will share   :unknown:

vorian

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If in a hypothetical scenario it comes down to it, we will see what the lawyers would say.

Really  :D :lol: :D

Oh that's a classic  :lol: :lol:

Too much, just too much  :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Does it not give you an ego though to reject the punter? Really? If we are being honest about it.

No, that's far too psychologically 'deep' for most of us.

renatus

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Right, i have decided tbh. I will go and see her just for sex and to get her out of my system. No chit chat, nothing. This may be once, this may be twice. Or however many times. Problem is, i don't see her just as any other prostitute/escort/whore/hooker. If i really did not care at all i would share the link. So, to get to the point where i am bored or disgusted with how much of a whore she is, i have to screw her and then let others do the same. And then find myself a girlfriend in real life who has not been broken into that many times and is actually a decent girl.

Problem is right now, i am more sexually frustrated from not fucking her as much as i want to rather than any actual emotions for her. If i get bored of her sexually, then presto, i will not care anymore and this will all be a figment of the past.

When i am finished, Socks (as he has been the only one that has been civil on here) will get the link. He will share it with who he wants to share it with. By which time, i will have fucked her enough times already for me to not be hurt in terms of pride.


That is my best offer i am afraid. From which i also hope we can share links to fantastic fucks in the future when i get bored of this girl. It is difficult for me, appreciate that.

Offline hendrix

Right, i have decided tbh. I will go and see her just for sex and to get her out of my system. No chit chat, nothing. This may be once, this may be twice. Or however many times. Problem is, i don't see her just as any other prostitute/escort/whore/hooker. If i really did not care at all i would share the link. So, to get to the point where i am bored or disgusted with how much of a whore she is, i have to screw her and then let others do the same. And then find myself a girlfriend in real life who has not been broken into that many times and is actually a decent girl.

Problem is right now, i am more sexually frustrated from not fucking her as much as i want to rather than any actual emotions for her. If i get bored of her sexually, then presto, i will not care anymore and this will all be a figment of the past.

When i am finished, Socks (as he has been the only one that has been civil on here) will get the link. He will share it with who he wants to share it with. By which time, i will have fucked her enough times already for me to not be hurt in terms of pride.


That is my best offer i am afraid. From which i also hope we can share links to fantastic fucks in the future when i get bored of this girl. It is difficult for me, appreciate that.

All joking apart, and taking your posts at face value....I think this is the worst possible thing you could do. You WILL get further attached to her. However, do what you feel you must. Good luck.  :hi:

renatus

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All joking apart, and taking your posts at face value....I think this is the worst possible thing you could do. You WILL get further attached to her. However, do what you feel you must. Good luck.  :hi:

How? If i don't really talk to her and just fuck her then it may just change my irrational mindset from "she is a nice girl" to "she is a whore that is not worth my time other than for sex". I need to get her off the pedestal and find a girl in my everyday life i like and can see. At the moment, i just feel lost.

vorian

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Right, i have decided tbh. I will go and see her just for sex and to get her out of my system. No chit chat, nothing. This may be once, this may be twice. Or however many times. Problem is, i don't see her just as any other prostitute/escort/whore/hooker. If i really did not care at all i would share the link. So, to get to the point where i am bored or disgusted with how much of a whore she is, i have to screw her and then let others do the same. And then find myself a girlfriend in real life who has not been broken into that many times and is actually a decent girl.

Problem is right now, i am more sexually frustrated from not fucking her as much as i want to rather than any actual emotions for her. If i get bored of her sexually, then presto, i will not care anymore and this will all be a figment of the past.

When i am finished, Socks (as he has been the only one that has been civil on here) will get the link. He will share it with who he wants to share it with. By which time, i will have fucked her enough times already for me to not be hurt in terms of pride.


That is my best offer i am afraid. From which i also hope we can share links to fantastic fucks in the future when i get bored of this girl. It is difficult for me, appreciate that.

The worst thing you could do and the worst way to go about it. However i suspect you know that don't you. I suggest you read back the last few pages and ask yourself the question,  should I be punting at all. The prossie should be warned off you as well, as you obviously do not have the self control or awareness to deal with this.

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How? If i don't really talk to her and just fuck her then it may just change my irrational mindset from "she is a nice girl" to "she is a whore that is not worth my time other than for sex". I need to get her off the pedestal and find a girl in my everyday life i like and can see. At the moment, i just feel lost.

Well, you know yourself better than I do obviously..but this is highly unlikely to happen in my opinion.

renatus

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The worst thing you could do and the worst way to go about it. However i suspect you know that don't you. I suggest you read back the last few pages and ask yourself the question,  should I be punting at all. The prossie should be warned off you as well, as you obviously do not have the self control or awareness to deal with this.

Yes, but it may just work. If i don't see her as a person and just as paid sex (like how an escort thinks funnily enough) then that stops attachment does it not?

vorian

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How? If i don't really talk to her and just fuck her then it may just change my irrational mindset from "she is a nice girl" to "she is a whore that is not worth my time other than for sex". I need to get her off the pedestal and find a girl in my everyday life i like and can see. At the moment, i just feel lost.

You are unstable,  just look at how erratic your posts are, massive mood swings and you seem to forget what you have posted. Don't do it, it will be the wrong thing to do.

renatus

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Well, you know yourself better than I do obviously..but this is highly unlikely to happen in my opinion.

Hi, how you doing? Sex. Then leave. Is that really so undo-able? Obviously you just want your link and i just want to get her out of my system. So, this might work?

renatus

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You are unstable,  just look at how erratic your posts are, massive mood swings and you seem to forget what you have posted. Don't do it, it will be the wrong thing to do.

I just want to get this physical attraction for her out of the way. I don't get it. I can fuck and talk to other women and just leave them, and yet with this one i have just fallen into a ditch. I don't know my way out. What may work for me, may not work for you.

vorian

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Yes, but it may just work. If i don't see her as a person and just as paid sex (like how an escort thinks funnily enough) then that stops attachment does it not?

Now you sound like you have a pathological dislike of WGs as a whole and are dehumanising them. So wrong, you just don't get it do you.

vorian

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Hi, how you doing? Sex. Then leave. Is that really so undo-able? Obviously you just want your link and i just want to get her out of my system. So, this might work?

No one really wants your bloody link,  it the the act of you posting the link,  that is what will actually help you.

renatus

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Now you sound like you have a pathological dislike of WGs as a whole and are dehumanising them. So wrong, you just don't get it do you.

I have been punting for four years, on and off (depending on personal circumstances). I have never seen a girl more than once apart from this time. I distrust them, hence why i never saw them more than once. But, i am in a unique (to me) situation here and i don't know what to do. This might work, at the moment, i am just getting nowhere in terms of how i feel about it all.

I would prefer to just fuck them and walk away. The whole point is that i don't want to feel like this. I don't want to be this sexually attracted to her. During my punting years, I have always had the mindset of "Don't enjoy this too much, just fuck her and leave, keep the chit chat minimal". It served me well. But, this time, i have really fucked up.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2014, 05:03:56 pm by renatus »

vorian

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I have been punting for four years, on and off (depending on personal circumstances). I have never seen a girl more than once apart from this time. I distrust them, hence why i never saw them more than once. But, i am in a unique (to me) situation here and i don't know what to do. This might work, at the moment, i am just getting nowhere in terms of how i feel about it all.

I would prefer to just fuck them and walk away. The whole point is that i don't want to feel like this. I don't want to be this sexually attracted to her. During my punting years, I have always had the mindset of "Don't enjoy this too much, just fuck her and leave, keep the chit chat minimal". It served me well. But, this time, i have really fucked up.


So once again help yourself and post the link. Please don't try to be clever by posting a fake one, people can tell.

renatus

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So once again help yourself and post the link. Please don't try to be clever by posting a fake one, people can tell.

You are being presumptuous that posting the link will help me. It won't. It will result in me feeling crap about my loss of pride. I post it on my own terms, not yours. Don't pretend that you do not want it just for your own selfish ends. This is not paranoia speaking, i know better than to trust anyone involved in the industry. 

I fuck her, i get bored of her, then i post the link to Socks. I compromise, you compromise. Give and take.

vorian

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You are being presumptuous that posting the link will help me. It won't. It will result in me feeling crap about my loss of pride. I post it on my own terms, not yours. Don't pretend that you do not want it just for your own selfish ends. This is not paranoia speaking, i know better than to trust anyone involved in the industry. 

I fuck her, i get bored of her, then i post the link to Socks. I compromise, you compromise. Give and take.

Mate I'm not the one with the problem,  you are. Do me a favour and just read again, what you have just posted.

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You are being presumptuous that posting the link will help me. It won't. It will result in me feeling crap about my loss of pride. I post it on my own terms, not yours. Don't pretend that you do not want it just for your own selfish ends. This is not paranoia speaking, i know better than to trust anyone involved in the industry. 

I fuck her, i get bored of her, then i post the link to Socks. I compromise, you compromise. Give and take.

Well the Renatus that posted all the same stuff you have posted here had no problem posting a link on another site back in January which he has now deleted his membership on.  Unfortunately that link was removed by the Mods on there. But it looks like Vorian is correct in the links he posted here.  From the posts on the other site she is an Agency girl in the North East.

So you posted her name there why not here ?

Could of course be another Renatus with the same problem as yourself   :rolleyes: