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Offline Vortex77

Do you think if more men punted then general women would stop using their genitals for control?

I think if more guys stopped giving so much power to the feminists they would stop believing they could walk all over men and play these mind games that they play on us.

Too many guys in my generation who are in their twenties seem to worship and fawn over females to the point where they allow them to hold all the cards when in the hunt for them and in relationships.

The balance needs to return to be in favour of men, because without us women are left unprotected and lost. I feel that punting offers another option, to where you don't feel you have to bow down to any female in order to get them to give you the thing which you so desire when in the context that you do not want a long term relationship or be up for playing cat and mouse bullshit.

In my opinion, punting is the future and offers a way out from the standard bs of being an a mainstream emasculated male willing to give up his masculinity in order to please a female just so he can get into her pants.


Offline zootie


The balance needs to return to be in favour of men, because without us women are left unprotected and lost.

Wow. Really wow.  :wackogirl:


Offline rpg

Vortex, what do you mean by norm? So normal that the majority of males did it? Accepted by society? It's been on the go for 4,000-5,000years and has never gained acceptance as the norm yet so don't hold your breath!

Offline Vortex77

Vortex, what do you mean by norm? So normal that the majority of males did it? Accepted by society? It's been on the go for 4,000-5,000years and has never gained acceptance as the norm yet so don't hold your breath!

Yes I mean accepted by society where the majority partake in it.

Offline lovelysofia92

Your post insinuates that males have no other feelings towards women other than those of sexual attraction and that's why they're willing to give up their 'masculinity', just to get into someone's pants. So do you think that the problem would be solved if more men paid prostitutes to have sex with them? You might be surprised to find out that men have feelings too and the reason they're so into some women is because they might want something more than just sexual intercourse with them. Furthermore, some men pay for sex just to h

The truth is that women will always have the aces when it comes to sex; it's just the way it is and massive popularisation of prostitution won't change it.
It's also a bit paradoxical, your idea. It's supposed to take the control and power that women have over men in a sexual context and use prostitutes to get over it when in fact, you'd be giving other women your hard earned money just to have sex with you.(i.e power nowadays).

If it would become socially acceptable and widely used, it would actually be detrimental to men because obviously, a lot more women would do it, making all women a lot more materialistic and men without a lot to give financially would not only be unable to pay for a prossie, but they would also have a hard time even finding someone decent to start a relationship with.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2013, 12:24:03 PM by lovelysofia92 »

Offline pokenn

Vortex, there is so much wrong with your post, I don't know where to start. I can see your frustration a young bloke. But it seems you have got completely the wrong idea about relationships between men and women. Women want men as much as men want women, but they are looking for slightly different things.

You can't mix up punting and civvie girlfriends. WGs are offering a paid service, like going to the dentist or getting your car fixed. A civvie girlfriend should be about friendship, support, having a laugh together. Sex is the cherry on the cake.

Offline BeesKnees

That would be an interesting future to see sofia, where wgs are earning as much as bankers and medical consultants. I wonder how the shift in society would look like, where punting isn't taboo and not frowned upon. Would it then be a career choice in schools?

Also agree with rpg, it's been around for thousands of years and hasn't reached mainstream so that won't be happening
« Last Edit: August 04, 2013, 12:35:43 PM by doobie4u »

Offline smiths

Do you think if more men punted then general women would stop using their genitals for control?

I think if more guys stopped giving so much power to the feminists they would stop believing they could walk all over men and play these mind games that they play on us.

Too many guys in my generation who are in their twenties seem to worship and fawn over females to the point where they allow them to hold all the cards when in the hunt for them and in relationships.

The balance needs to return to be in favour of men, because without us women are left unprotected and lost. I feel that punting offers another option, to where you don't feel you have to bow down to any female in order to get them to give you the thing which you so desire when in the context that you do not want a long term relationship or be up for playing cat and mouse bullshit.

In my opinion, punting is the future and offers a way out from the standard bs of being an a mainstream emasculated male willing to give up his masculinity in order to please a female just so he can get into her pants.

No i dont. IMO punting wont become the norm in general society because its far too dangerous to the establishment, although of course some of them are hypocrites with the usual "do as i say, not as i do" thinking that has been the case throughout history.

The reason is the establishment wants people to get partnered up, have kids, get a place to live and a job to pay for it all, thus ensuring as best as possible that they tow the line and are good obedient citizens. WGs give men an option to bypass all that.

In addition many men want more than just sex, they want to love and be loved back, perhaps kids as well. While this remains the case some women will exploit that to their own advantage.

Offline Vortex77

Your post insinuates that males have no other feelings towards women other than those of sexual attraction and that's why they're willing to give up their 'masculinity', just to get into someone's pants. So do you think that the problem would be solved if more men paid prostitutes to have sex with them? You might be surprised to find out that men have feelings too and the reason they're so into some women is because they might want something more than just sexual intercourse with them. Furthermore, some men pay for sex just to h

Obviously there are men out there who want a relationship but I'm more referring to guys who just want a bit of fun in the short term, no strings attached and no head games. Because in my experience even women all who've been told there is noting more to it than sex, still want to control and play stupid games with men.

The truth is that women will always have the aces when it comes to sex; it's just the way it is and massive popularisation of prostitution won't change it.
It's also a bit paradoxical, your idea. It's supposed to take the control and power that women have over men in a sexual context and use prostitutes to get over it when in fact, you'd be giving other women your hard earned money just to have sex with you.(i.e power nowadays).

You are getting want you want when you exchange cash with a working girl, both get something out of the deal. When a man is paying for a womens lifestyle because he has to pay child support because she purposely got pregnant, the only one who is benefiting is the female.

And women shouldn't hold all the aces, just because it is this way, doesn't mean it has to be. If men didn't give themselves off so easily, you'd soon see the females come flocking on your door for attention, as thats what they thrive on - attention and control.

If it would become socially acceptable and widely used, it would actually be detrimental to men because obviously, a lot more women would do it, making all women a lot more materialistic and men without a lot to give financially would not only be unable to pay for a prossie, but they would also have a hard time even finding someone decent to start a relationship with.

True a lot more women would consider it, however there would still be just as many who would be put off the idea of selling their bodies and still be a large percentage available for serious relationship/marriage and you would be able to separate the game players from the genuine more easily.

Obviously life isn't as straight forwards as that but we're talking hypothetically here.

Offline overhead

Your post insinuates that males have no other feelings towards women other than those of sexual attraction and that's why they're willing to give up their 'masculinity', just to get into someone's pants. So do you think that the problem would be solved if more men paid prostitutes to have sex with them? You might be surprised to find out that men have feelings too and the reason they're so into some women is because they might want something more than just sexual intercourse with them. Furthermore, some men pay for sex just to h

The truth is that women will always have the aces when it comes to sex; it's just the way it is and massive popularisation of prostitution won't change it.
It's also a bit paradoxical, your idea. It's supposed to take the control and power that women have over men in a sexual context and use prostitutes to get over it when in fact, you'd be giving other women your hard earned money just to have sex with you.(i.e power nowadays).

If it would become socially acceptable and widely used, it would actually be detrimental to men because obviously, a lot more women would do it, making all women a lot more materialistic and men without a lot to give financially would not only be unable to pay for a prossie, but they would also have a hard time even finding someone decent to start a relationship with.

I agree with a lot of this, but not the last part.

First of all, it was more common a couple of hundred years ago than it is now, so effectively it is being suppressed more at the present time than at any time in history. I've seen statistical information that shows that around that time one in five females aged between fifteen and sixty living in London were active prostitutes. How does that compare with today? Obviously that would be higher than the national average, but it is still a surprising number.

What you say about the need for relationships and intimacy is quite correct, but a lot of men are denied that. Prostitution provides them with an outlet, and also, in the case particularly of younger ones, a confidence booster. I have been without any sex at all for quite long periods - years - at various points in my life and it is very debilitating. I don't want to risk the perception of overstating this, but in hindsight I can see that it has affected my life detrimentally to a huge degree, and I don't say that lightly. I've made bad decisions concerning career as well as my social life as a direct consequence of that. The worst part is establishing a fresh relationship with someone when you have had no recent experience. You have to try to hide it, and your enthusiasm, as best you can, and that can be very stressful indeed. Worst of all you find yourself avoiding situations that might lead to intimacy because of fear of failure. You feel as though you could be judged quite harshly based on your behaviour and competence. Prostitution helps a lot because it enables you to have as least some sex life between relationships.

I think it would be far better if it was an accepted part of society with none of the stigma associated with it that we have now. Maybe not as accepted as such as doctors dentists and hairdressers, but that would be my ideal, and certainly a lot closer to those services than it is now. This would benefit both men and women and definitely not be to the detriment of men. As a single man I feel a lot more confident within myself being free of the worry of whether I shall ever experience any sexual intimacy again, and how long it will be before I do. When I was young that was a constant preoccupation for me that definitely affected my lifestyle and self esteem etc in a very negative way. Most girls have little understanding of that. Not everyone will have shared that experience but I bet a large proportion do. As an upper middle aged man as I am now I am faced with the use it or lose it dilemma! Those of you who haven't reached forty have yet to face that, but I can tell you it is very real and a big worry too when you get there. I think most women have little or no concept of what any of that is like either.

Just turning to your final point, the two main problems are accessibility and cost, and they are related. The cost to men of meeting prostitutes, especially at the lower end is far too high. It is out of the reach of most people, and it shouldn't be. I know you girls like to be able to make a small fortune every time you take a booking, but don't you think a lot of your costs are down to the difficulty of arranging bookings in the first place. Advertising, presentation and making contact all take a tremendous toll on finances. From the clients point of view it is also very difficult with fakes and scams galore. Wouldn't it be so much better if we could dispense with all that and clients could find what they are looking for at the level they are looking for it easily, and prostitutes could have as many clients as they want without all the time wasting and messing about that goes on now. I've seen statistics that say around 10% of men visit prostitutes on either a regular or intermittent basis, which I'm prepared to believe, although that seems a bit high to me. If acceptance and accessability were improved to the point that we wouldn't be embarrassed or ashamed about it, and become within the financial reach of most people, then I'm sure the figure would be very much higher. Everyone would be a lot happier too.
 
« Last Edit: August 04, 2013, 01:55:22 PM by overhead »

Offline Devil Man

Do you think if more men punted then general women would stop using their genitals for control?

I think if more guys stopped giving so much power to the feminists they would stop believing they could walk all over men and play these mind games that they play on us.

Too many guys in my generation who are in their twenties seem to worship and fawn over females to the point where they allow them to hold all the cards when in the hunt for them and in relationships.

The balance needs to return to be in favour of men, because without us women are left unprotected and lost. I feel that punting offers another option, to where you don't feel you have to bow down to any female in order to get them to give you the thing which you so desire when in the context that you do not want a long term relationship or be up for playing cat and mouse bullshit.

In my opinion, punting is the future and offers a way out from the standard bs of being an a mainstream emasculated male willing to give up his masculinity in order to please a female just so he can get into her pants.

I think your post comes off as borderline misogynistic and you sound almost like a MRA. You have a pretty backward view of women in general, especially when you say 'The balance needs to return in favour of men'. That is not a healthy attitude to have, at all. It's just weird.

You have to accept people are people. You will like some girls and they will return the interest and also like you. Others won't. There isn't anything you can do about it and you have to accept it and move on.

I have been in that situation many times in my own life, in the past, where I have seen a girl a couple of times and really enjoyed her company and wanted to see her again quickly. It's very normal to have that sort of feeling towards people, where you like them and just want to see them again. In my case, sometimes it is sexual attraction, other times it is purely friendship based and I've just enjoyed their company. Sometimes, the other girl has felt the same way and also wanted to meet up again very soon. Other times, it's been the complete opposite and the girl hasn't felt any kind of spark towards me and hasn't wanted to hang out again.

And that's completely normal. There is nothing wrong with that. If someone doesn't return your feelings, and doesn't feel even slightly the same way back, you can't force the issue. If they don't want to see you, just accept it and respect it. One girls dream guy is anothers nightmare. I have always been lucky enough for the other girl to let me know whether or not she is interested in seeing me again, or just chilling out and I've never had a problem. I've always accepted everyone is different.

So should you. Thinking that women need to be 'protected' and whatever isn't gonna make you like a good catch in any girls eyes. If anything, it comes across as suffocating and backward.

Offline Devil Man

I think it would be far better if it was an accepted part of society with none of the stigma associated with it that we have now. Maybe not as accepted as such as doctors dentists and hairdressers, but that would be my ideal, and certainly a lot closer to those services than it is now.

Lot's of good points in your post, but the only one I would like to address is this. There are lots of pro's and con's about escorting becoming more accepted as a part of society but I think one big harm would be for guys that become overly attached after a couple of sexual encounters.

For perhaps most escorts, a client is just a client and they keep tight control of the boundaries. For some guys, perhaps the ones that are extremely lonely to begin with or not entirely emotionally stable, they tend to get the boundaries very easily confused and think that there is a 'special bond' just because they had sex with a girl a couple of times.

There are more then a few horror stories of girls who have guys that became overly attached.

Offline overhead

There are more then a few horror stories of girls who have guys that became overly attached.

Yes, but that happens all the time outside prostitution. Hence stalkers etc, which would be reduced if prostitutes were more accessible anyway.

I'd argue that prostitutes are better equipped to deal with men like that.

Offline Devil Man

Yes, but that happens all the time outside prostitution. Hence stalkers etc, which would be reduced if prostitutes were more accessible anyway.

I'd argue that prostitutes are better equipped to deal with men like that.

True about stalkers but I dont think the problem would go away if prostitutes were more accessible. I think it would stay the same but maybe make it more difficult for the escort. For some guys who are awkward with girls, having sex with a girl is the ultimate goal. Having access to a prostitute makes it much easier and if she suddenly cuts it off when a guy is getting too attached, the problems could increase because a guy feels that even girls he is paying for sex don't want him: an even bigger rejection from the opposite sex.

Nor do I think a prostitute is better equipped to deal with that. Some guys can be very aggressive and threatening.

Offline Vortex77

I think your post comes off as borderline misogynistic and you sound almost like a MRA. You have a pretty backward view of women in general, especially when you say 'The balance needs to return in favour of men'. That is not a healthy attitude to have, at all. It's just weird.

I was just waiting for some white knight to come here and tell me how wonderful women are how and how mean, barbaric and misogynistic I am.

Well I'm not interested in PC bollocks considering as a whole admittedly I don't like women's attitudes today and if that makes me misogynistic then so be it.

 It seems to be a used a cognitive dissonance that if you don't agree with everything that a women does, even if they're created a culture where men are now used as bank accounts and have to be meet unrealistic expectations to be seen as good enough in their eyes, then you're a misogynistic pre-historic apeman who hasn't evolved.

Well if you want to take that view your entitled to it. As men we are the kings and guardians of creation and a King shouldn't have to chase or bow down to anyone. And this is why I feel proper balance needs to be restored.

You have to accept people are people. You will like some girls and they will return the interest and also like you. Others won't. There isn't anything you can do about it and you have to accept it and move on.

I have been in that situation many times in my own life, in the past, where I have seen a girl a couple of times and really enjoyed her company and wanted to see her again quickly. It's very normal to have that sort of feeling towards people, where you like them and just want to see them again. In my case, sometimes it is sexual attraction, other times it is purely friendship based and I've just enjoyed their company. Sometimes, the other girl has felt the same way and also wanted to meet up again very soon. Other times, it's been the complete opposite and the girl hasn't felt any kind of spark towards me and hasn't wanted to hang out again.

I'm friends with a good few women, and I don't tar them all with the same brush and take them at face value. But women as a whole, the general mindset of them generally is poisonious and I don't think I should have to pretend that theyre all decent and deserving of my time and respect.



And that's completely normal. There is nothing wrong with that. If someone doesn't return your feelings, and doesn't feel even slightly the same way back, you can't force the issue. If they don't want to see you, just accept it and respect it. One girls dream guy is anothers nightmare. I have always been lucky enough for the other girl to let me know whether or not she is interested in seeing me again, or just chilling out and I've never had a problem. I've always accepted everyone is different.

So should you. Thinking that women need to be 'protected' and whatever isn't gonna make you like a good catch in any girls eyes. If anything, it comes across as suffocating and backward.

I don't know why you're preaching this stuff as if I'm only posting because I've been knocked back by loads of women and couldn't reach a point in my mind where I couldn't understand nor accept it.

This is nothing to do with personal success with women which admittedly don't have a problem with, but I'm looking at the bigger picture and attitudes of men and women in todays generation,  in general.

Offline Devil Man

I was just waiting for some white knight to come here and tell me how wonderful women are how and how mean, barbaric and misogynistic I am.

So telling you that you sound like an MRA and your post is misogynistic because you are accusing them of using men like cashpoints makes me a White Knight?

I don't think it does. I just thought your post was illogical because it is generalising on a massive scale.

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Well I'm not interested in PC bollocks considering as a whole admittedly I don't like women's attitudes today and if that makes me misogynistic then so be it.

It's not being politically correct to tell you that you're wrong.

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It seems to be a used a cognitive dissonance that if you don't agree with everything that a women does, even if they're created a culture where men are now used as bank accounts and have to be meet unrealistic expectations to be seen as good enough in their eyes, then you're a misogynistic pre-historic apeman who hasn't evolved.

You're generalising. Again. I've met and had girlfriends in the past who have insisted on paying their own way. I presume that in your own eyes because they are not using me as a bank account, they are instead feminists? (because that's what some feminists do. Pay their own way rather than have the man pay for everything when they go out).

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Well if you want to take that view your entitled to it. As men we are the kings and guardians of creation and a King shouldn't have to chase or bow down to anyone. And this is why I feel proper balance needs to be restored.

^-- This is why you across as backward, misogynistic and hateful in your attitude towards women ---^

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I'm friends with a good few women, and I don't tar them all with the same brush and take them at face value. But women as a whole, the general mindset of them generally is poisonious and I don't think I should have to pretend that theyre all decent and deserving of my time and respect.

You contradict yourself yourself in two sentences. You 'don't tar them all with the same brush' and yet 'women as a whole, the general mindset of them generally is poisonous'.

Are you actually reading what you're writing or just typing random bullshit as it spills out of your brain?

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I don't know why you're preaching this stuff as if I'm only posting because I've been knocked back by loads of women and couldn't reach a point in my mind where I couldn't understand nor accept it.

Because you're generally hateful attitude towards women, thinking 'As men we are the kings and guardians of creation' and 'the proper balance needs to be restored' and all that other bollocks, suggests that you have been a woeful, woeful failure with women and it suggests that you have been rejected time and again, which is why you seem so angry.

My post was a long-winded way of saying: everyone's different, get over it.

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This is nothing to do with personal success with women which admittedly don't have a problem with, but I'm looking at the bigger picture and attitudes of men and women in todays generation,  in general.

I think you're probably in a minority with your views.
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Offline overhead

True about stalkers but I dont think the problem would go away if prostitutes were more accessible. I think it would stay the same but maybe make it more difficult for the escort. For some guys who are awkward with girls, having sex with a girl is the ultimate goal. Having access to a prostitute makes it much easier and if she suddenly cuts it off when a guy is getting too attached, the problems could increase because a guy feels that even girls he is paying for sex don't want him: an even bigger rejection from the opposite sex.

Nor do I think a prostitute is better equipped to deal with that. Some guys can be very aggressive and threatening.

I have counter arguments to that.

Achieving the sex with a girl enables the guy to become less preoccupied with the goal of achieving the sex, and thus able to spend more time considering females in a broader context. I think the desire for sex and the failure to achieve it, gets in the way of learning social skills for younger men. The longer it continues the worse it becomes. There is an argument that younger men who are without any sexual experience would benefit from easy access to prostitutes. I'm not sure about that, because that's not the way I would like to start out, but it could well be a helpful option.

Are you saying that the more clients a prostitute has access to, the higher the proportion will be aggressive and threatening? (and that all you have to do is reduce the number and that will solve the problem) I don't think you are, and if you have time to reflect I think you will understand that is not correct.

Prostitutes have to have their own filtering mechanisms. They will inevitably be faced with more men that have those inclinations, and so they have to have the skills to deal with them. Furthermore I would say it was normal for them to have to deal with the clingy ones. If they can't do it then who can? Men, and boys, who visit prostitutes have to understand that there are boundaries, and I think who better to spell out what those boundaries are than the prostitutes themselves. I have a sneaking feeling that such problems arise mostly when a prostitute encourages a client to get more business and then ends up with the client becoming infatuated. Sometimes it needs little encouragement, but this is one of the realities of life and has to be dealt with one way or the other. Best by professionals, and I'm sure you wouldn't argue that prostitution should be suppressed because men fall in love with ladies.
 


Offline dilettante

- men want sex, women want babies

- lots of childless women say they don't want babies but, surprisingly, are mad about sex, which is the only way to beget babies

- bringing up children within a LTR is just about the most rewarding thing you can do and a man would be stupid to jeopardise this privileged opportunity

More specifically for the OP, there may be reasons why a man may or not take up punting, but given your age and situation I'd say you should be concentrating on developing a career, you won't need to worry about meeting "the right kind of girl" as after all they are much smarter than us and will make the opportunities available to you when appropriate.  However in general I can see where you are coming from and it no doubt explains why certain militant feminist groups in UK are campaigning to have men criminalised for using WGs while said WGs are not - they use us to father their children, kick us out when it suits them as they now have the financial stability to be able to do so, yet it still rankles that we have alternative means of satisfaction via WGs.

Vortex, what do you mean by norm? So normal that the majority of males did it? Accepted by society? It's been on the go for 4,000-5,000years and has never gained acceptance as the norm yet so don't hold your breath!

Fwiw, I totally agree with rpg.  Without going into the arguments, I feel that the OP's basic premise is misguided.

Offline Vortex77

So telling you that you sound like an MRA and your post is misogynistic because you are accusing them of using men like cashpoints makes me a White Knight?

I don't think it does. I just thought your post was illogical because it is generalising on a massive scale.

It's not being politically correct to tell you that you're wrong.


I might be generalising but Its very common today for women to use men in that fashion. And so what if I don't love the majority of women? Tell me why is it ok for women to constantly drone on about how men are useless and how pig-headed they are and not every be accused of lacking anything? but if a man so dares to speak out against a women they are this misogynistic caveman?

I meant I'm not into being pc in terms trying to beat around the bush in order to avoid offending the overly sensitive.

You're generalising. Again. I've met and had girlfriends in the past who have insisted on paying their own way. I presume that in your own eyes because they are not using me as a bank account, they are instead feminists? (because that's what some feminists do. Pay their own way rather than have the man pay for everything when they go out).

My point is they're in the small minority

^-- This is why you across as backward, misogynistic and hateful in your attitude towards women ---^

You contradict yourself yourself in two sentences. You 'don't tar them all with the same brush' and yet 'women as a whole, the general mindset of them generally is poisonous'.

How does me saying that I take each one at face value contradict the fact that the majority are gold diggers? The decent ones are obviously in a small minority

Because you're generally hateful attitude towards women, thinking 'As men we are the kings and guardians of creation' and 'the proper balance needs to be restored' and all that other bollocks, suggests that you have been a woeful, woeful failure with women and have suggests that you have been rejected time and again, which is why you seem almost so angry.

When very young admittedly I've been unsuccessful with women but to say I've been a woeful failure is an inaccurate assumption. I've had my fair share of successes with women in the dating world and maintaining friendships but admittedly on occasions it's been difficult to win some over.

 I feel it should be a lot more fairer and men shouldn't have to bend over backwards in order to successfully court a woman.

The reason why there is anger and frustration is because of this imbalance where all a woman has to do is turn up and the guy has to do everything to please and even then it's not even enough. Or they do everything right and then later down the line get short changed in the court system. This then causes me to ask where is our pride? When are we going to say enough is enough?!

I think you're probably in a minority with your views.

I may be in the minority in expressing these views, but in terms of thinking and feeling I think there are a lot more men like me, only they're bottling it up and pretending everything is sweet or they desperately try and accept it while kidding themselves.








Offline Devil Man

Overhead: all very good points. Nothing I can say that can counter that :)

Offline Devil Man

I might be generalising but Its very common today for women to use men in that fashion. And so what if I don't love the majority of women? Tell me why is it ok for women to constantly drone on about how men are useless and how pig-headed they are and not every be accused of lacking anything? but if a man so dares to speak out against a women they are this misogynistic caveman?

Let me just ask... where are you from? Because in my, general, experience, I don't meet many women who bitch and moan about how useless men are. For sure, there are some women who do indeed moan about how crappy their boyfriends/husbands are... but by that same token, I also have male friends who complain about their own relationships.

I think you are just on a spectacular level of bad luck that you're meeting bad women.

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How does me saying that I take each one at face value contradict the fact that the majority are gold diggers? The decent ones are obviously in a small minority

I have met a lot of women over the years, friends, colleagues, people I have dated, through University and work and in my experience, they are not like that. Sure, there are women who do want the guy to pay and 'be a gentleman' but there are also girls that will go halves. You can't say the 'majority' of girls are like that, unless you've met thousands of women and 99% of those expect you to pay for everything.

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When very young admittedly I've been unsuccessful with women but to say I've been a woeful failure is an inaccurate assumption. I've had my fair share of successes with women in the dating world and maintaining friendships but admittedly on occasions it's been difficult to win some over.

I feel it should be a lot more fairer and men shouldn't have to bend over backwards in order to successfully court a woman
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Then if you're feeling that you are doing too much work to court a woman... stop seeing her and move on to the next one? If you're not enjoying the experience then forget about her and move on.

If you feel someone is too difficult to win over, or that you are doing too much hard work, it's clearly making you unhappy. Not every girl is gonna make you jump through hoops.

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The reason why there is anger and frustration is because of this imbalance where all a woman has to do is turn up and the guy has to do everything to please and even then it's not even enough. Or they do everything right and then later down the line get short changed in the court system. This then causes me to ask where is our pride? When are we going to say enough is enough?!

Don't really know what to say here. I mean this in a good way, but I think you might need to talk this over with someone or at least take a step back. When you go out with someone on a date, or whatever, you shouldn't feel you have to please them or impress them. You should just be out to have a nice time.

Just an example: last night, Saturday, I went out with someone for the first time. We chatted for a couple of hours and I felt we had a nice time. I enjoyed talking with her and after it was over, I felt I had a nice, fun night. I didn't look at it as anything more than that. Now, I hope I can take her out again somewhere. She may either 1: wanna go out again, in which case great, or 2: text or call me back and say "Sorry Devil Man, not interested in hanging out with you again. Have a nice life. Bye."

For me, both options are absolutely fine. If she liked hanging out and wants to do it again, then great, we can be friends, but if she doesn't, then also fine, because I'd rather she be happy and do something that she will enjoy and have a good time with. Because everyone's different. You can't force someone to like you. Nor would it hurt my 'pride' because I am happy with who I am and I think I have an okay personality. I'd rather people who hung out with me did so because they liked my personality, but if they don't, that's okay. You should only be around people you like and feel comfortable with.

If you got a girl who became obsessed with you, and she felt she had done all the right things to get your interest, but you felt nothing for her, either sexual or as a friend, would you force yourself to constantly see her? Of course not. You shouldn't expect it the other way either.

And I think you should have a similar outlook on it as well. You seem like you are either jaded or sensitive, or you put too much pressure when you go out with a girl, rather than trying to enjoy yourself and appreciate the encounter for what it is.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2013, 04:04:26 PM by Devil Man »

Offline Vortex77

Let me just ask... where are you from? Because in my, general, experience, I don't meet many women who bitch and moan about how useless men are. For sure, there are some women who do indeed moan about how crappy their boyfriends/husbands are... but by that same token, I also have male friends who complain about their own relationships.

I think you are just on a spectacular level of bad luck that you're meeting bad women.

Or you may have just lived a very sheltered existence

I have met a lot of women over the years, friends, colleagues, people I have dated, through University and work and in my experience, they are not like that. Sure, there are women who do want the guy to pay and 'be a gentleman' but there are also girls that will go halves. You can't say the 'majority' of girls are like that, unless you've met thousands of women and 99% of those expect you to pay for everything.

I've come across a good number women through the years who have this entitlement and princess attitude. Ive  read a lot of stories through the media of guys getting fucked over and then being blamed, got a lot of friends and family who've had women take the piss out of them and bleed them dry for money.

You seem to be going only by your own subjective experience

Then if you're feeling that you are doing too much work to court a woman... stop seeing her and move on to the next one? If you're not enjoying the experience then forget about her and move on.

If you feel someone is too difficult to win over, or that you are doing too much hard work, it's clearly making you unhappy. Not every girl is gonna make you jump through hoops.

Don't really know what to say here. I mean this in a good way, but I think you might need to talk this over with someone or at least take a step back. When you go out with someone on a date, or whatever, you shouldn't feel you have to please them or impress them. You should just be out to have a nice time.

I don't go out of my way to impress them or make hard of it, I don't fucking care any more because I know I can fuck any escort when I want. And I certainly don't need a lecture from you or anyone on how to deal with women thank you very much.. This thread isn't about me, which is the point you're missing, it's about the rest of the world population and society in general.

Even if I had girls crawling at my feet, my experience doesn't suddenly negate the fact there are hordes of men who have been emasculate and turned into little lap dogs because they;re afraid of stepping on a women toe in case they don't give them the sex which they want.

Offline James999

I don't go out of my way to impress them or make hard of it, I don't fucking care any more because I know I can fuck any escort when I want. And I certainly don't need a lecture from you

Sounds like he's touched a nerve  :music:


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