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[jacknotts]

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Okay here goes - posted a negative review of Phoebe the other day as had got to her place to find she wasn't there. She had her reasons but a lack of communication did not help and rather pissed me off. Fast forward a few days later and she has responded to the negative review on UKP and offered a meet at a much reduced rate.

You'll all have to forgive and ignore any perceived or real bias induced by that offer, but if I can write a negative review about someone a positive review is only fair if I then go on to have a good time.

I arrived ontime to her street in Nottingham, gave her a call to let her know and was in the front door without hanging around. It's a house on a terraced street.

Profile description of her services and her pictures are accurate, although hair colour obviously changes. In case anyone hasn't noticed her height - she is taller than most girls but I wasn't bothered.

Once the hello and offer of a drink were out the way there followed a standard girlfriend type meet. I was more than happy with Phoebe and her positive attitude. There was no rushing or clock watching that I noticed and no hint of just going through the motions and wanting me done and gone. Just a gentle hint once we had finished and post meet chit chat had been had that we should put some clothes on.

Had I paid the going rate for her time I would have been more than happy, and would still want to see her again.

[Iloveoral]

Not quite the review we were waiting for..... does she kiss / cim / owo?

Thanks for the review but it's a little vage compared to your negative.

[vw]

Thanks for a shit review of your discounted punt !   

so if she changes her photos and services you vouch for them too. 

For reference just so punters have some real info on why you got discount.

During the week saw that Phoebe was 'available today' on AW and called and arranged a booking for a few hours later that day.

Got to the street, on time, and called as per instructions - no answer. Tried again a few minutes later - again no answer. Her phone does not have voicemail but I have sent a text - though her profile says she doesn't reply to texts. Which she has thus far lived upto.

Quite disappointed as have received absolutely no explanation due to no communication from Phoebe. Granted her AW profile was updated to say that she had a last minute emergency but this doesn't explain the continued lack of response from her.

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[jacknotts]

so if she changes her photos and services you vouch for them too. 

If that's the attitude what's the point in ever writing a review. Might as well turn the UKP server off.

For reference just so punters have some real info on why you got discount.

It's not like I didn't mention it. Again, damned if I do and damned if I don't.

Not quite the review we were waiting for..... does she kiss / cim / owo?

Thanks for the review but it's a little vage compared to your negative.

I thought it covered what needed to be covered, ie actually going ahead with the meet with some enthusiasm and sticking to what she advertises herself as. For me, knowing that someone on AW can be bothered to write an accurate profile that reflects what you're going to get is important, hence why I then confirmed that it was accurate when I wrote the review.

Plus, there are about another 20 reviews on her so it's not like a TOFTT where people are stepping into the unknown.

[vw]

If that's the attitude what's the point in ever writing a review. Might as well turn the UKP server off.

If all reviews say look like photo and services as advertised then this site would be shit, hence your review is pretty pointless.

Most punters include details  about appearance and services so no need to turn servers off , maybe just you !

Here is the basic guide to review writing

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[jacknotts]

Good job there are some thumbnail pictures at the top of the review then for easy reference!

[vw]

Good job there are some thumbnail pictures at the top of the review then for easy reference!

They change with the prossies cover photos

Anyway passed to he boss to make judgement on this.

and those pictures really don't contain service info.    :dash

[jacknotts]

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=504

There you go VW - all the Phoebe info you could ever want on one page! Like I say it wasn't a TOFTT so I saw no need to rehash everything.

Once the hello and offer of a drink were out the way there followed a standard girlfriend type meet. I was more than happy with Phoebe and her positive attitude. There was no rushing or clock watching that I noticed and no hint of just going through the motions and wanting me done and gone. Just a gentle hint once we had finished and post meet chit chat had been had that we should put some clothes on.

That's the service info. Perhaps a reflection on me preferring and placing an emphasis on a positive attitude rather than trying to get through the Kama Sutra. But that's how it is.

[vw]

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=504

There you go VW - although the Phoebe info you could ever want on one page! Like I say it wasn't a TOFTT so I saw no need to rehash everything.

she has just returned from a long break first review of her new profile and a shit review pointless to anyone reading it, why not jut post a link to someone elses.

Have you been here before you have the stench of a former member ?

anyway this is the reviews of her current profile FYO

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=14393

[jacknotts]

Well done, you posted a link to what I've written.  And it wasn't a long break - perhaps a month or two. Something like that anyway.

Have you been here before you have the stench of a former member ?

Now you're just making stuff up!

[vw]

Well done, you posted a link to what I've written.  And it wasn't a long break - perhaps a month or two. Something like that anyway.

the gap in reviews was a year,

Yes pointed to a review  that was only posted as part of a deal to get a cheap punt, nothing useful to punters on it that's for sure.

What was your old name on here ??   

[jacknotts]

'she has just returned from a long break' and 'the gap in reviews was a year' are two different things.
No deal for a review was made or asked for.
What was I meant to do - say I had a shit time? I covered everything that went on. Not in gritty detail, but succinctly.
I have no old name on here.

Bored now.

[a_polite_gentleman]

Again, damned if I do and damned if I don't.

I can see your point jack. Talk about a grilling!

[RedKettle]

Thanks for the reviews. She is one who I have seen a number of times and will go back again.

I was surprised that she let you down so good to see that she has made it up with you.

Style of review is an individual matter, I thought your two were fine.

[Iloveoral]

Anyway passed to he boss to make judgement on this.

It's hardly reportable

Wtf do you spend your "grass every fucker up" points on as you don't seem to leave your computer much   

[Iloveoral]

Jack - I only query the review as I'm genuinely looking to book her and was interested in the services she provided to you matey and how she came across. I'm not having a poke at you matey sorry if it came across so.

I'm guessing she put on a faultless service knowing you would be writing up a review, admitted not your fault, glad you enjoyed her and got good compensation for the mess around.

[Picti]

Remember that this whole issue started with Jack having the balls and sense of UKP responsibility to post a negative review on a well-established and generally well-regarded WG.

Would Phoebe have independently contacted him and made this offer? Categorically no, and prior to the review there was no indication of that. However, she did not try to deny, discredit, counter-claim, send in the fanboys, or any of the other histrionic responses often posted by criticised WGs. Instead she verified and acknowledged what had happened, and then made an offer to compensate Jack. I viewed that as a positive result and an indication that this forum can make a difference.

I think the best course of action following the compensation punt would've been for Jack to add a couple of paragraphs to the original negative review to state that Phoebe kept her word and he had a good time. He could also have changed the wording of the original title to reflect what had happened and asked Admin to change this. A new review was always going to be tainted by the context surrounding it, and was open to the criticisms that (inevitably) followed.

Does no-one read VW's posts! He was always likely to respond to this negatively with criticisms, insinuations, and the old "have you been here before" chestnut. He acts like a bad copper firing circumstantial evidence to try and trip people into saying something more incriminating. I'd like to see him change his nick to Polly-Graph  . However, his contributions are well-regarded, and for all the times he may get it wrong, he has uncovered a number of wrong-uns. It's all part of being on here, so carefully consider before posting.

[Iloveoral]

Does no-one read VW's posts!

In honesty, no.... I skipped more or less through the whole section between him and Jack, but noticed he'd again wrote another report 

[vw]

It's hardly reportable

Wtf do you spend your "grass every fucker up" points on as you don't seem to leave your computer much   

No time limit here, and OP is well shady, and review is very low on info.

Would you love this site to be full of looks profile is correct reviews ?  Many have been tripped up by these in the past when profiles vouch for the wrong girl or one that has been overeating.

Anyway look what happend with your report nobody grass nobody policy the east midlands got over run my posters like the "old you" and "Asian dave"   

[jacknotts]

I think the best course of action following the compensation punt would've been for Jack to add a couple of paragraphs to the original negative review to state that Phoebe kept her word and he had a good time. He could also have changed the wording of the original title to reflect what had happened and asked Admin to change this. A new review was always going to be tainted by the context surrounding it, and was open to the criticisms that (inevitably) followed.

Kinda wish I had. And didn't realise at the time that could be done. Though the way VW is going he likely would have been cursing me for changing a negative review and not just writing a new one!


As I've said. I'm now bored of this. Think we should all move on.

[snapontool]

Finally the penny has dropped, remember some media types say 'there is no such thing as bad publicity' I think 'Jacky Boy' is part of the plot, I think others have seen through it too...........at last !

[Newtothisstuff]

I can't see what all the fuss and accusations are all about. As I see it a negative review got posted. The wg said sorry and offered a reduced rate. If anything, that just shows that UKP can be very effective. After the second visit which was obviously better, a positive review was posted.
If it hadn't been posted, we wouldn't necessarily have known that second booking went ahead and that it was in itself worthy of a positive review.
It doesn't make you a fluffy or white knight because you have a sense of fair play. If the second review hadn't been posted, then as things stood, the most recent review showing would have been a negative.
Maybe we could have had more detail about the booking to judge what services were provided? That would have been more informative. But if I'd been in the same situation, I may have done something similar.
The girl let him down - bad review.
She tried to make amends - good review.
We can all still see the negative review so it is something that will make us all wary.

[vw]

I can see your point jack. Talk about a grilling!

Don't tell me grilling has put you reviewing for the last 3 years!   

[jacknotts]

The girl let him down - bad review.
She tried to make amends - good review.
We can all still see the negative review so it is something that will make us all wary.

All there is to it.

[Iloveoral]

Kinda wish I had. And didn't realise at the time that could be done. Though the way VW is going he likely would have been cursing me for changing a negative review and not just writing a new one!


As I've said. I'm now bored of this. Think we should all move on.

He gets really boring, he thinks he's UKP police (he isn't), wishes he was a mod (he isn't) or some god sent hero to protect the forum (he isn't) instead he thinks it's ok the be abusive and rude to other member with little respect for anyone else on the site, personally I think he should be banned as he serves no positive influence here.

All he achieves is stopping new members (probably older members too) from posting reviews here because they can't be arsed to sit through the shit that follows.

Hey Super police why don't you mention Asian dave again, your like a broken record 

If we all ignore his comments maybe he'll go away 

[Newtothisstuff]

He gets really boring, he thinks he's UKP police (he isn't), wishes he was a mod (he isn't) or some god sent hero to protect the forum (he isn't) instead he thinks it's ok the be abusive and rude to other member with little respect for anyone else on the site, personally I think he should be banned as he serves no positive influence here.

All he achieves is stopping new members (probably older members too) from posting reviews here because they can't be arsed to sit through the shit that follows.

Hey Super police why don't you mention Asian dave again, your like a broken record 

If we all ignore his comments maybe he'll go away 

+1.  He's a waste of time and space. Trying to throw his weight around when he doesn't have any. All he's going to do in his self-appointed role of 'God Jr / Witchfinder General' is put people off using UKP. We're all grown ups. We can decide for ourselves if a post is bull or not. He may have 'outed' a few white knights and wg's but if you throw that much shit about, some of it is bound to hit the target eventually. The trouble is, you cover everything else in shit too and put others off.

[vw]

+1.  He's a waste of time and space. Trying to throw his weight around when he doesn't have any. All he's going to do in his self-appointed role of 'God Jr / Witchfinder General' is put people off using UKP. We're all grown ups. We can decide for ourselves if a post is bull or not. He may have 'outed' a few white knights and wg's but if you throw that much shit about, some of it is bound to hit the target eventually. The trouble is, you cover everything else in shit too and put others off.

 

Was the boy who stood by and let the EM become a forum joke!

The region needed its own thread on how to behave based on Asian dave and his Raddy fan club!

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=84730.0

[vw]

+1.  He's a waste of time and space. Trying to throw his weight around when he doesn't have any. All he's going to do in his self-appointed role of 'God Jr / Witchfinder General' is put people off using UKP.

In true East Midlands style your claims/lies don't match the facts.

Remember we hit 9,000 not so long ago

This must be some sort of record too ..

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[Newtothisstuff]

Was the boy who stood by and let the EM become a forum joke!

The region needed its own thread on how to behave based on Asian dave and his Raddy fan club!

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=84730.0

I'd ask who was? As the post really doesn't make sense. But I'm really not that interested.

[Picti]

The region needed its own thread on how to behave based on Asian dave and his Raddy fan club!

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=84730.0

Yes but you've neglected to mention that the thread was started by the EM's "big daddy" Cool Tiger, and had significant contributions from EM punters including me. There was recognition that things needed to change, and there was motivation within the EM to do so. It's an ongoing task and there have been fluctuations, but the EM isn't currently as bad as it was at that time.

[vw]

Yes but you've neglected to mention that the thread was started by the EM's "big daddy" Cool Tiger, and had significant contributions from EM punters including me. There was recognition that things needed to change, and there was motivation within the EM to do so. It's an ongoing task and there have been fluctuations, but the EM isn't currently as bad as it was at that time.,

CT has been consistent throughout, a beacon of hope and his deputy RK.

Nowhere near as bad, just some touty reviewers/obsessives, always good to keep on top of these things.  They hate questions though. as does that ILO rabble rouser.

This poor uninformative purchased review was worth the challenge though, the lack of info seemed to indicate it was a term of the discount to me rather than writing for punters.

[Picti]

... if you throw that much shit about, some of it is bound to hit the target eventually. The trouble is, you cover everything else in shit too...

That's his MO and has been since I joined (and no doubt before). I was initially accused (by VW and James) of being a previously banned member called Atticus Finch. The "evidence" was my vocabulary and writing style. The inconvenient truth that my punting (mainly EM and occasionally Scotland) was in totally different parts of the country from Atticus Finch was of course ignored.

It's a pity that he takes this approach, because if he used his knowledge and instincts in a more precise and properly targeted manner he'd probably be more effective and beneficial to the forum. I'm not anticipating an epiphany any time soon.

[vw]

That's his MO and has been since I joined (and no doubt before). I was initially accused (by VW and James) of being a previously banned member called Atticus Finch. The "evidence" was my vocabulary and writing style. The inconvenient truth that my punting (mainly EM and occasionally Scotland) was in totally different parts of the country from Atticus Finch was of course ignored.

Link would be nice to back this up.   

Atticus was devious very devious and would only post in other regions as part of his scummy games.

[Picti]

CT has been consistent throughout, a beacon of hope and his deputy RK.

+1

This poor uninformative purchased review was worth the challenge though, the lack of info seemed to indicate it was a term of the discount to me rather than writing for punters.

A final act of poor judgement (and against advice), but let's not forget the process and contribution to that point. I'm sure he's learned from the process.

[Picti]

Link would be nice to back this up.   

You mean you've forgotten me, so soon; I'm mortified 

[vw]

You mean you've forgotten me, so soon; I'm mortified 

Easy to do, expect you still day dream of GN and OWAN trying to find raddy or marauding saving maid mandy. 

the good old days

[Picti]

Easy to do, expect you still day dream of GN and OWAN trying to find raddy or marauding saving maid mandy. 

the good old days

Actually, on my return I was shocked, although not wholly surprised to hear about GN.

I'm not an overly nostalgic person, and anyway I think there's a decent crew of lads around the EM currently.

I'm as keen as ever for the EM to be fit for purpose, we just go about it in different ways. I adopt a stance of advice, guidance, orientation, etc, to develop lads to use the forum properly. You choose a darker path.

[jacknotts]

A final act of poor judgement (and against advice), but let's not forget the process and contribution to that point. I'm sure he's learned from the process.

The advice was different from different people. Depends who you listen to. Either way I was going to be wrong in someone's eyes. As for what I've learnt...my head hurts.



It appears people don't have anything more to say, constructive or otherwise. I can't wait to see the response to future Phoebe reviews should someone else get round to writing one.

[vw]

It appears people don't have anything more to say, constructive or otherwise. I can't wait to see the response to future Phoebe reviews should someone else get round to writing one.

I expect many will be interested to hear about services offered and appearance, unlike yours that said look at adultwork or her other out of date reviews basically.

[jacknotts]

Been covered. Move on.

[vw]

Been covered. Move on.

Look forward to your next one then, hope its a good one!  and the punt   

[Picti]

...my head hurts.

That'll be your exposure to toxic emissions from a VW...drops mic

[Mystique88]

This has gotten so unbelievably childish. But I am going to state that a review was NEVER mentioned. Nor was this website. 

Besides a brief call to arrange a time, you all saw the entirety of the booking process. Also, don't you think he would have been a bit pissed off if I had offered that discount and then he called me and I added on 'btw, you only get a discount if you leave a good review'.

My record of integrity as per every other review I have (including in restraining myself from replying to malicious negatives) should stand for something.

Do you all understand that we are people just like you? And that we are not perfect.

Additionally, I didn't need to put on 'best behaviour' for him. Every client gets the same level of enthusiasm. This too is evidenced by previous reviews. Almost all of which I was not aware were members of UKP.

[Placebo88]

This has gotten so unbelievably childish. But I am going to state that a review was NEVER mentioned. Nor was this website. 

Besides a brief call to arrange a time, you all saw the entirety of the booking process. Also, don't you think he would have been a bit pissed off if I had offered that discount and then he called me and I added on 'btw, you only get a discount if you leave a good review'.

My record of integrity as per every other review I have (including in restraining myself from replying to malicious negatives) should stand for something.

Do you all understand that we are people just like you? And that we are not perfect.

Additionally, I didn't need to put on 'best behaviour' for him. Every client gets the same level of enthusiasm. This too is evidenced by previous reviews. Almost all of which I was not aware were members of UKP.

A central purpose of reviews is to report on how imperfect the escort is. You are responsible for your own actions so don't pass the buck or try and make this into a general topic. One person is not as imperfect as the next. Reviews show the best and the worst.
The rest is backed up by your record, but that record is aged. Still counts for something.
My worries were not that you rigged this review. Rather it wasn't written off an even playing field. Punter knew he was under your spotlight and the discount made him go easy. Not corruption, rather circumstances.
If the negative hadnt happened did you have any intention of making amends? Had he tried to rebook the normal way, any discount then? Problem for me is this way of doing things is too open for abuse from punters and escorts. This looked like a PR stunt on your part. A rogue punter could use it to twist escorts arms as well.

[Owwhatanight]

Easy to do, expect you still day dream of GN and OWAN trying to find raddy or marauding saving maid mandy. 

the good old days

Oh VW stop it.
I know where Raddy is, we are neighbours but I will pass on your best wishes to him.

[Picti]

I know where Raddy is, we are neighbours but I will pass on your best wishes to him.

Likewise, and messaged him the other day, but we can do better than that OWAN. There's that other side to Raddy that he was only beginning to explore when his punting career was cut short.

[vw]

Oh VW stop it.
I know where Raddy is, we are neighbours but I will pass on your best wishes to him.

please do pass my best wishes to your hero, i expect you moved to him rather than him moving to be near you.   

70 days since your last post, you should pop in more often.   

[vw]

There's that other side to Raddy that he was only beginning to explore when his punting career was cut short.

Raddy is your new sub.   

[Picti]

Raddy is your new sub.   

That would've been an inevitable conclusion to his direction of travel. Sadly he's on a tight leash of a very different kind now 

[Owwhatanight]

please do pass my best wishes to your hero, i expect you moved to him rather than him moving to be near you.   

70 days since your last post, you should pop in more often.   

To busy chatting with you on UkE