Thaisa & Leonie: Diva: Bayswater: Shite

[Brazilian Martian]

Guaaat damn I missed this lol.

The fact he constantly paid a shit load of money for sex was a bit odd but I just figured he had no problem with it. Wool.

Any idea how long he was a pimp/tout for? Was he always one, or did the white knight syndrome take over to the point he'd offer to help WG's/agencies out after he gave them the D?

 

That's what I'm trying to figure out he had me fooled for a long time, but i lost respect for him when he started going on defence mode with Megan and Nancy.

[Bassman]

 

That's what I'm trying to figure out he had me fooled for a long time, but i lost respect for him when he started going on defence mode with Megan and Nancy.

I guess he was running that op for them? Or helping? Yeah he did seem to be a bit attached to all that.

Damn man, don't know who to trust now. People can't just stick to fucking bitches and reviewing? Gotta get attached! watching everyone like:
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You just don't know who to trust lol.

[zulu-lance]

Damn man, don't know who to trust now.

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[S_holmes]

Never heard of such skullduggery since the hole 'West8' business......
Always seemed too good to be true though, imo....

[Bassman]

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[Brazilian Martian]

Never heard of such skullduggery since the hole 'West8' business......
Always seemed too good to be true though, imo....

I wonder if mustapha is still driving west8 around in the jaguar as we type.

[FlyingBreadMan]

I wonder if mustapha is still driving west8 around in the jaguar as we type.

Who is west8?

What was his/her story?

[mrfishyfoo]

Never heard of such skullduggery since the hole 'West8' business......
Always seemed too good to be true though, imo....

Hmmm that's a right read. 

[cueball]

Who is west8?

What was his/her story?

Oh bloody hell, you don't know..... it's far too long a story.... put west8 into the search box and prepare for a long ride 

[shagbambi]

Good work in nailing the pimp.  Good riddance.

[Candyman]

I guess the reason he was reviewing so many £200+ girls was to encourage their bookings over the £150 lot. I remember him commenting numerous times about how the quality is so much better with the higher rate girls. The question is did he actually see all he reviewed? I'm guessing not with these 2 although there maybe hints in his review which would suggest he did such as the description of the flat. Whatever the case his motives were not to genuinely inform punters so they can't be taken seriously now. I suspect an agency wouldnt give any reward for posting reviews here so he must have been the hot collection owner/employee of some sort.

[rthunderbird]

Who is west8?

What was his/her story?

A prolific reviewer in the London section who got tied to some dodgy escort business, it's all there somewhere. Much like YLF his reviews were always colorful and interesting, turned out to be full of shite. themademan2 was another, though I believe he was tied up in some more violent / bareback stuff. This isn't the first time a high profile member has been found absolutely full of it.

[mrhappypants]

I guess the reason he was reviewing so many £200+ girls was to encourage their bookings over the £150 lot. I remember him commenting numerous times about how the quality is so much better with the higher rate girls. The question is did he actually see all he reviewed? I'm guessing not with these 2 although there maybe hints in his review which would suggest he did such as the description of the flat. Whatever the case his motives were not to genuinely inform punters so they can't be taken seriously now. I suspect an agency wouldnt give any reward for posting reviews here so he must have been the hot collection owner/employee of some sort.

I think YBF filled an important space on UKP writing reviews in the £150ph+ market which has generally been un(der)represented.  I followed up one of his reviews External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only and found her a worthwhile punt.  I won't often venture to put down more than £150 for an hour and it is useful to have some recommendations when I do. It is a shame he was acting on vested interest.

By contrast, West8 was a delusional fantascist - narcissistic personality disorder if ever I saw it. The clear evidence of this is visible in his reviews (the ratings are too high and the writing too grandiose and hyperbolic) and makes them unreliable.  I am glad he is no longer with us, although I do owe him the sight of Porsche with my spunk dribbling from her lips on to her tits - still warms the heart .

[puntingpumping1920]

Still, his 135 reviews cost just under £45,000.  And he claimed he punted more than that. Pretty good for 18 months 'work'.

So he worked for Hot Collection and hated Diva, is that it?  Is the other agency he touted owned by the same pimps as Hot Collection or something?  I don't care that much as wont go near any of them, but the Daily Mail reader part of me wants to know.

 
He was a fraud. All the reviews are just erotic fiction.
 
If you are willing to blow more than £45,000 in less than two years, you might aswell invest in a Sugar Daddy arrangement, as it would be a better value.
 
He was only hear to promote Hot Collection(External Link/Members Only) and Secret Agency(External Link/Members Only) service providers on this forum.....They knew this and they was probably conspiring with him.

[Inajeep]

Hilarious, you are a cunt of the highest order in your other guise over on UKE and a massive cunt on here, along with your pals, mysoginists, cheap fuckers and bullies. Newbies get abused and bullied, SPs are treated like shit here, where you'd expect it and on UKE where you shouldn't and you make wild accusations with no evidence, safe in the knowledge that admin will come riding to your rescue like a fucking white knight. You and your little group of little men who hide behind their keyboards making snide remarks make me sick. I've shared my punting life honestly from the time I joined, many fellow punters have enjoyed my reviews and benefitted from them. You and your pals like SamLP, Belgarion, Comaminion, Smiths, Durham Lad and any of the thundercunts who reckon you can find quality whores at £80 an hour have achieved what you wanted, I'm out of here. Speculate all you want, I've had enough of the bullshit. This site is a great resource for punters, soured by a small minority of vocal sad fuckers like you. To all the real punters on here, happy punting, to the cabal of hate, go fuck yourselves, goodnight!

Serious drama!!!!!   

[Brazilian Martian]

Hear Hear YLF!!!!!   

So you are in agreement with this TWAT that put escorts before punters   

[Inajeep]

So you are in agreement with this TWAT the put escorts first   

I liked the comment before I read the whole thread, have modified my comment.  I did see Leonie recently and thought she was quite awesome, so did think the review was a bit harsh.  But, after reading the full thread, decided I should change the post. 

[Brazilian Martian]

I liked the comment before I read the whole thread, have modified my comment.  I did see Leonie recently and thought she was quite awesome, so did think the review was a bit harsh.  But, after reading the full thread, decided I should change the post.

Well I reported your previous post as it was clear that you were condoning what he was saying 

[tantraman]

Jeez-Louise!

I was just reading spire701's latest review on Arabella_AW, and he mentioned how he'd booked her on the back of YLF's review and now saw that he'd been banned! I've just caught up with this drama ... bloody 'ell!

I too had booked Arabella_AW after reading YLF's Positive review, after his story gave me the confidence to choose her as my first-ever full service punt ... and indeed she proved to be a superb punt. He commented on my subsequent review ...

Great review of a great girl, glad you are joined the fs dark side, with a girl like Arabella it's awesome, right.

... and I thanked him for the heads-up ...

Awesome indeed, my brother! And mucho thanks to you again ... your spot-on review of Arabella pushed me over the edge into going all out with a WG, and I think I'll be forever grateful!

It's thus quite sad to realise that YLF has played us all this time ... I was surprised by his recent back-to-back duos (Ana & Perla on Jul9 19, then Maya & Anya on July 20), not because I didn't trust his stories, but by his ceaseless energy! In a way, it's good to know those stories were not real, as I no longer have to aim for such sexperieces. But I'm sure some of his earlier reviews must have been genuine, like the one that set me off on this punting path. I'm thus glad that Admin is, for now, leaving YLF reviews up for us to decide whether to trust or not, considering how we now know that he himself went to another "dark side".

[Rocket Scientist]

I think YBF filled an important space on UKP writing reviews in the £150ph+ market which has generally been un(der)represented. 

Pertinent point. Apart from being a damn good read, the value of UKP for me is identifying VFM; this seems to be under 150GBP with 80 - 100GBP being the sweet spot. Though there is rightly a high bar set on this forum to justify that kind of spend, I welcome the contribution and experiences of those willingly or in a position to splash more cash on their whoring. Rarely do I go above 150

.. I do owe him the sight of Porsche with my spunk dribbling from her lips on to her tits..

Porsche who? ..link? This sounds good

[NIK]

I think he was quite crafty as he gave me recommendations both publicly and by pm and they weren't all HC, although many were. I may be wrong but didn't he also give some negatives for HC?
Although the majority were definitely positive.
However I can't say I was surprised he turned out to be a wrong un, because firstly nothing much really surprises me anymore. Secondly at least 1 member had voiced their suspicion to me re his touting HC. Most importantly I didn't really believe that anyone, no matter how young and loaded with cash and spunk could have THAT many punts in such a time. Apart from having the wherewithal how did he have the time? Sometimes several expensive punts per week stretches credibility. Even at my peak I was still only having 3-4 per month.
He was also quite clever in that many of his reports sounded genuine, although rather OTT, as they were quite specific and individual as opposed to the usual unimaginative generic ones we get from touts.
As everyone now wonders how many of these reports were genuine? Certainly his description of Caroline he recommended last year pretty much tallies with my experience. It could be some are genuine, it could be none, we will never know.

What is certain in my experience both before and after UKP is that this kind of obsessive punting, if that's what it was, usually ends in tears. I recall ABC escorts of Nottingham that I used to use a lot had an obsessive client who saw tons of their girls and spent thousands over a short period. Unsurprisingly eventually something happened. I don't know whether his money ran out and he expected favours or he became obsessed with one of the girls or what. But I do know the upshot was the owner, a very forthright woman, informed me he had gone from being their best customer to being banned.
It seems this kind of thing is common amongst obsessives.
With regard to YLF maybe he started off genuine and then overreached himself.
What is certain is that when it comes to technical stuff you won't fool Admin for long.

[Excalibur]

Porsche who? ..link? This sounds good
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Unfortunately Rocket she is long gone.

[Cunning Punt]

 

That's what I'm trying to figure out he had me fooled for a long time, but i lost respect for him when he started going on defence mode with Megan and Nancy.

He clearly fooled some people but I don't think many of us took his reviews that seriously.
As NIK said, the sheer number of punts - and expensive ones at that - was cause for suspicion but the fantastical nature of the reviews suggested most if not all these wonderful experiences (mixed in with a few tactical negs) were in his own head.

However, there was no evidence to challenge him, which is why we are grateful to Admin's detective work.

That and his reviews were very entertaining, even if they were fantasy!

[Inajeep]

Well I reported your previous post as it was clear that you were condoning what he was saying 

Glad you have time to be the Board Police.  I hear the moderator knocking on the door right now.  I'll post again after my return from jail for the offense of disagreeing with the Brazilian Martian.   

[Maverick1808]

Wow not been on here for a while and i find this! So the once commendable YLF was a tout & a fraud? Certainly something I didn't seem coming.

Having just been on to UKE for the first time in a month i see the two essex trollops are now banned on there, good riddance. At least UKE will now no longer be a bitch fest with Megan or Franny whatever she called herself commenting on every single post and making each one all about her

[Brazilian Martian]

Glad you have time to be the Board Police.  I hear the moderator knocking on the door right now.  I'll post again after my return from jail for the offense of disagreeing with the Brazilian Martian.   

No worries    it shows everyone your character for agreeing with a known tout what I find funny is how quickly you back tracked afterwards

It's not about disagreeing with me, it's about you agreeing with a known tout who had a hidden agenda.

[Belgarion]

Glad you have time to be the Board Police.  I hear the moderator knocking on the door right now.  I'll post again after my return from jail for the offense of disagreeing with the Brazilian Martian.   

Time of the month?

[Robbiebucks]

Does this mean that each girl that had been associated with the secret agency is tainted?

[Belgarion]

Does this mean that each girl that had been associated with the secret agency is tainted?

If they remain with agency, most definitely.

I am far more concerned about the relationships with Franny and Emily and Nancy

Well dodgy

[vw]

Does this mean that each girl that had been associated with the secret agency is tainted?

Would not touch with a barge pole personally, they could all be lying about no further connection.

[Brazilian Martian]

If they remain with agency, most definitely.

I am far more concerned about the relationships with Franny and Emily and Nancy

Well dodgy

Which one was Emily ?

[Belgarion]

Which one was Emily ?

Kettlegate

[puntingpumping1920]

Does this mean that each girl that had been associated with the secret agency is tainted?

 
They are guilty by association. I'm sure they knew YLF was submitting fake reviews.
 
I've noticed they are unlisted from the agency website, as the association is bad for business now

[PLeisure]

Damage limitation is the only option available to them after this fall-out.

At least one on UKE - who seems slightly above the rat-infested snakepit - has declared she is no longer involved. Smart move...

[vw]

Damage limitation is the only option available to them after this fall-out.

At least one on UKE - who seems slightly above the rat-infested snakepit - has declared she is no longer involved. Smart move...

If you buy her or not, not sure i would risk seeing Ana Louiza until the dust really has settled and proven she has nothing to do with them.

Talk is cheap.

[Mrwolfie]

 
They are guilty by association. I'm sure they knew YLF was submitting fake reviews.
 
I've noticed they are unlisted from the agency website, as the association is bad for business now

The secret agency seems to be no more... Their goodbye msg is very similar in spirit with YLF farewell post... Both mention misogynist and angry ppl hiding behind their keyboard...:

"this site has been taken down and the agency is no more, thanks to an unjustified assault by misogynist internet trolls, low life scum with nothing better to do than spew vitriol from the safety of their keyboards."

So maybe YLF was the boss after all...    Gosh so glad i did not book Perla after reading one of his latest reviews...

[smiths]

Damage limitation is the only option available to them after this fall-out.

At least one on UKE - who seems slightly above the rat-infested snakepit - has declared she is no longer involved. Smart move...

I wouldn't trust anyone I knew was associated with them at any time if I was aware they were. Who knows if they are still involved in some way, I certainly wouldn't be giving them the benefit of the doubt they weren't.

[bukowski]

re: YLF

my hunch is he was a real punter
he's in a media type career and has lots of energy, is creative and has cash
spent so much with HC he got familiar with them
he got preferential rates
they thought even his negative reviews were handy to manage performance of staff
for fun, and because he felt himself an `operator`
he tried his hand at investing in an agency of his own (in partnership with someone - HC owner / a favored escort?)
over reached himself and got sloppy
all fell apart

probably way off - but that's my gut feeling
so overall i think his reviews (especially early ones) are maybe a little `glammed up` but real

[Brazilian Martian]

If you buy her or not, not sure i would risk seeing Ana Louiza until the dust really has settled and proven she has nothing to do with them.

Talk is cheap.

Spot on i would personally avoid her, as he always had glowing references about her and he was always commenting on a few of her positive reviews.

[jkpint]

Spot on i would personally avoid her, as he always had glowing references about always commenting on a few of her positive reviews.

Sad but true. 

[Jvosta]

Ok didn't read the whole thread.
I always had an inkling about YLF being a HC tout !
Glad to see him banned, frankly quite tired of all these members sucking his cock with "oh your reviews are so good , thank you so much etc ect "

[Steely Dan]

frankly quite tired of all these members sucking his cock with "oh your reviews are so good , thank you so much etc ect "

A list of names would help, otherwise you are taking a 'broadside' at all members who have posted on his reviews.... 

I often thank members for reviews, but I don't think of it as cock sucking. 

[monstar]

He probably was originally a genuine punter but lately got involved with the low life agency and accepted discounts at other agencies for reviews. 

He posted entertaining reviews but genuine contributors are valued here and not pimps or touts. I will be taking all his reviews with a larger pinch of salt, as already had doubts - too many neutrals / negatives immediately following his recent glowing positive TOFTT reviews. 

[BarryProudfoot]

I always thought he was that dude who had money to burn and time to waste on birds

[Full Moon]

I use Hot Collection and found his reviews helpful, obviously if he's associated with the agency or a pimp, well that changes everything. 

Earlier this year I jokingly commented on one of my HC reviews, that they should be paying him for all of his publicity - that aged well.

[Candyman]

re: YLF

my hunch is he was a real punter
he's in a media type career and has lots of energy, is creative and has cash
spent so much with HC he got familiar with them
he got preferential rates
they thought even his negative reviews were handy to manage performance of staff
for fun, and because he felt himself an `operator`
he tried his hand at investing in an agency of his own (in partnership with someone - HC owner / a favored escort?)
over reached himself and got sloppy
all fell apart

probably way off - but that's my gut feeling
so overall i think his reviews (especially early ones) are maybe a little `glammed up` but real

Good shout I think. Must have been involved with these girls from UKE too

[Bassman]

Kettlegate

What have I missed with this kettlegate reference. I've come across this recently on uke too.

Any link for some late night reading?

[vw]

Spot on i would personally avoid her, as he always had glowing references about her and he was always commenting on a few of her positive reviews.

She is doing damage limitation now it seems, linking up for duos in september with Hannah in the West Midlands.  Not sure if hanna is aware of the dram surrounding this lot she seems to have been away from forums.

[vw]

What have I missed with this kettlegate reference. I've come across this recently on uke too.

Any link for some late night reading?

The main post

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=4411.0

[bukowski]

The main post

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=4411.0

way off topic
but

there's a member at the start of that thread called 'rodhorny'

has no posts or reviews against the name and isn't banned either
what status is that?

just curious