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Author Topic: generalising,do we all think working girls are the same?  (Read 21679 times)

Offline Tailpipe

Smiths


You have posted three times here and as always you make sense and give balance.

You have had longer punting in years than many.

You seemed to be able to control your attachment and have very clear lines between
Punting WG and your real world.

May be this is the key to been able to maintain both sides of the coin and enjoy both at the same time.

Offline Daffodil

Let me get this straight.
You make generalisations but don't really mean it. You are too lazy to phrase your post in such a way as to make this clear. It's everyone else's fault for being too stupid to understand what you mean.

Communication skills........?

I also think you're confusing a generalisation with a universal generalisation. Google it at your leisure and get back to me if you have any trouble understanding it  :hi:

Offline Duchess Desire

We are humans too. And judging us by our job is like saying "she is an escort, and, ah she is a person too". Hell no! First of all we are women/girls then we are WGs.  And  the job it`s part of our life, not life itself. And as everywhere in this world there is diversity, and as divers the human characters  are as divers the WG's personalities are. Plus let`s be honest, you can`t click with everyone, you can`t be nice to everyone, especially if you are not English.
I must know myself the EE girls are more straight, and sometimes cold that is true but that is not a main rule.

Don`t judge a book by it`s covers!!!!

Offline Daffodil

We are humans too. And judging us by our job is like saying "she is an escort, and, ah she is a person too". Hell no! First of all we are women/girls then we are WGs.  And  the job it`s part of our life, not life itself. And as everywhere in this world there is diversity, and as divers the human characters  are as divers the WG's personalities are. Plus let`s be honest, you can`t click with everyone, you can`t be nice to everyone, especially if you are not English.
I must know myself the EE girls are more straight, and sometimes cold that is true but that is not a main rule.

Don`t judge a book by it`s covers!!!!

This is one of those stupid cliche comments that has little going for it.

Of course we can judge books by their covers, and will often get pretty close to the mark. The only problem comes if you stick to that initial judgement rigidly after learning more about the person that contradicts your initial opinion.

Offline Daffodil

Plus let`s be honest, you can`t click with everyone, you can`t be nice to everyone, especially if you are not English. I must know myself the EE girls are more straight, and sometimes cold that is true but that is not a main rule.

There's a fucking generalisation  :dash:

Offline Tailpipe

We are humans too. And judging us by our job is like saying "she is an escort, and, ah she is a person too". Hell no! First of all we are women/girls then we are WGs.  And  the job it`s part of our life, not life itself. And as everywhere in this world there is diversity, and as divers the human characters  are as divers the WG's personalities are. Plus let`s be honest, you can`t click with everyone, you can`t be nice to everyone, especially if you are not English.
I must know myself the EE girls are more straight, and sometimes cold that is true but that is not a main rule.

Don`t judge a book by it`s covers!!!!


Think most take each WG as she presents her self and we do not prejudge as much as you may think.

Click with some and not all is a good point both ways.

EE tend to be more work focus , weather they are WG or just normal job , but that's culture
In my view. 

Fake age , fake pictures, fake services on profiles ,bad comms, cancelling appointments .

This is why so much resentment and stereo typing seems present.

Address those and punter WG relations would improve. 

Offline Duchess Desire

I just tried to offer a perspective from the other side of the barrier you don`t need to swear. And try to be more positive. Don`t tell me you are EE as well  :yahoo:

Don`t worry, be happy!

Offline Daffodil

I just tried to offer a perspective from the other side of the barrier you don`t need to swear. And try to be more positive. Don`t tell me you are EE as well  :yahoo:

Don`t worry, be happy!

Do you not see how stupid this post it? You come here telling people not to generalise and then imply that Eastern Europeans are negative  :dash:

Offline Duchess Desire




EE tend to be more work focus , weather they are WG or just normal job , but that's culture
In my view. 




I think that is very true. As I say it`s not generally true, but mostly.

Offline Duchess Desire

Do you not see how stupid this post it? You come here telling people not to generalise and then imply that Eastern Europeans are negative  :dash:
not that they are negative but they swear a lot. I am EE myself darling so i must know more about this than you don`t you think so?

But The idea was to explain that if some of the girl act and behave the way the do is because of their cultural background not that they are mean, or rude they are just more straight to the subject..
« Last Edit: July 09, 2013, 10:39:45 AM by Duchess Desire »

Offline Daffodil

not that they are negative but they swear a lot. I am EE myself darling so i must know more about this than you don`t you think so?

More garbage. So it's ok to generalise about a population if you're a member of it?

Offline Duchess Desire

More garbage. So it's ok to generalise about a population if you're a member of it?
you just love to argue don`t you?

Offline akauya

I treat ALL WGs as the individuals they are, if i get bad service off one i dont blame the next, she starts with a clean slate in my eyes.

So all WGs arent the same, some are good and offer a good service, and some are bad and offer a bad service.

Punters are giving their own opinions based on their experiences for the most part on here. Overall in my 30 years of punting i have punted with many more average or good WGs than bad.

My punting view is praise the good and castigate the bad. I respect those WGs who offer me a good service, i despise those that offer a bad service. The difference with punting than many other things is a punter has no recourse for a bad punt, its not regulated of course. However, in our small way we on here do our bit and could be helping who knows how many punters who are lurkers or just read the boards that can be read if not a member.

In my opinion generalising is rarely a good thing. Looking at each WG and incident on their individual merits is better. I view punting as a business transaction, IF a WG enjoys the punt then all the better, BUT as she will be a complete or virtual stranger to me how can i be sure, i know as fact some WGs are very good actresses having learnt to be over time. Its also in her business interest of hoping to get my return custom to flatter me, i take it all with a pinch of salt, as its the wise thing to do in my book.

Brilliant post Mr Smiths.   :hi:

I couldn't have put it better than that. That's exactly my attitude (especially the highlighted bit)


Offline Duchess Desire

Then you can argue with yourself  :wackogirl:

Offline hollysbeenabadgirl

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OP-The more I read here and elsewhere, the less I believe even a small percentage of ladies love the work. Personally I love this and gave up a good career to do it before I got too old, as I could be six foot under tomorrow. However, whilst most people do not 'enjoy' their jobs, it horrifies me to think of the damage a girl could do to her future relationships, mental health and career if they detest it. Sadly, I think that is quite common.

Duchess Desire-I'm not surprised that generalisations are made, after hanging around and reading about some of the awful punts. Unless they are necrophiliacs they are left dispirited, even more so if they can only afford to punt once or twice a year.

Offline Daffodil

OP-The more I read here and elsewhere, the less I believe even a small percentage of ladies love the work. Personally I love this and gave up a good career to do it before I got too old, as I could be six foot under tomorrow. However, whilst most people do not 'enjoy' their jobs, it horrifies me to think of the damage a girl could do to her future relationships, mental health and career if they detest it. Sadly, I think that is quite common.

Duchess Desire-I'm not surprised that generalisations are made, after hanging around and reading about some of the awful punts. Unless they are necrophiliacs they are left dispirited, even more so if they can only afford to punt once or twice a year.

Every prossie professes a love of this 'job', so I will have to take that with a pinch of salt, Holly. However, the rest of your first paragraph sounds about right to me.

As for you comment r.e. DD, she came here to argue against generalisation and in that very same post made a generalisation  :dash:

Generalisations are not inherently bad. If you apply a generalisation rigidly to an individual (particularly if it is a negative generalisation) then it can become a problem.

Offline smiths

Smiths


You have posted three times here and as always you make sense and give balance.

You have had longer punting in years than many.

You seemed to be able to control your attachment and have very clear lines between
Punting WG and your real world.

May be this is the key to been able to maintain both sides of the coin and enjoy both at the same time.

Yes it is the key for ME, but even then i have fallen foul on ocassion. Basically i am not a robot, so if i think a WG is genuine feelings can develop. Its just better for me that i dont let it get to that stage. ;)

Offline smiths

The problem is the transaction in punting blurs the line for many and it's always worth us cynical/realist guys pointing out this fact.

Indeed, and i think its also always worth pointing out a WG who is smart wants your return custom so flattering you and making you feel like you have made a connection is good business sense, it doesnt mean she is genuinely being honest of course.

For me it takes time to know a person well enough to know whether they are being genuine or not. So taking it with a pinch of salt is wise in my opinion. ;)

Offline smiths

not that they are negative but they swear a lot. I am EE myself darling so i must know more about this than you don`t you think so?

But The idea was to explain that if some of the girl act and behave the way the do is because of their cultural background not that they are mean, or rude they are just more straight to the subject..

If a WG is good and comes here from a foreign country to work she learns what punters here expect, so adapts her behaviour accordingly to maximise attracting and crucially keeping punters.

Offline Duchess Desire

Many don`t adapt/change and I say this because I used to do FFM bookings with random girls and some WG just spoil the fun. But I`ve met quite some few lovely ones as well  :dancegirl:

But now I am way more picky, I try to see if the girl is genuine, her profile to have feedback etc... but wisdom comes in time  :coolgirl:

Offline Dani

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Regardless of if we like it or not people will always generalise.  Wgs do it by refusing to see people of a certain age, race or religion.  Some Punters do it after having many unfortunately bad punts.  It is human nature to generalise.  It helps us protect ourselves against certain things.  For instance if walking alone at night I will not be worried if a woman is walking behind me but if a man I will become nervous as I am generalising that he may well be a rapist because of his gender.
 
I find it only upsets people if the generalisation is true.  I read loads of negative comments about how all prossies are money grabbing and hate their clients yet it does not bother me as I know who and what I am and how I feel about my clients.  The only ones who would get upset are those who do feel that way.

As for 3 categories of prossie that was listed before, I don't agree at all as just about all of us do it for the money first of all.  If we didn't we would either do it for free or for a nominal amount.  Yes some of us are highly sexed, some of us like having sex with strangers, some of us hate sex, some of us are lesbian and do it just for cash, some think it sounds like a good job to start with but change their minds when they realise it is not all rich fit men with private jets whisking us away.  Some enjoy most of the job but not all of it.  After all we cannot possibly enjoy sex with every client we meet hence we become good actresses. 
I think the hardness creeps in though when someone either gets burnt out but carries on working and doesn't take time out for herself as she has not saved any money to take time out or when they really do not like the job. 

It is the type of job that if you don't at least partly enjoy then you are going to end up with serious mental health and self loathing issues.  They hate the clients because they don't want to have to see them but depend on them as by the time they have reached this point the damage is done mentally.

I have seen this happen to a few girls I know and it is an awful thing to witness as they have a skewed version of men. They hate them and distrust them all which in turn stops them from being able to form relationships as they now view all men the same.  The younger you start this job the more chance of this happening though as by your late 20s you already have enough life experience to realise not all men are the same and there are good and bad.  At 18 you probably have not had a real relationship so your adult views are formed on what you see and what they are seeing is a high number men cheating on their partners and this then forms their view that all men cheat. 


Offline smiths

Many don`t adapt/change and I say this because I used to do FFM bookings with random girls and some WG just spoil the fun. But I`ve met quite some few lovely ones as well  :dancegirl:

But now I am way more picky, I try to see if the girl is genuine, her profile to have feedback etc... but wisdom comes in time  :coolgirl:

If they dont adapt/change they only have themselves to blame if all they get are mainly one-time only punters. Not smart in my view.

Offline Jimmyredcab

If they dont adapt/change they only have themselves to blame if all they get are mainly one-time only punters. Not smart in my view.

Repeat custom is very important but many EE girls are only here for the short term which gives them very little incentive to build up regular clientele.   :thumbsdown:

Offline Tailpipe

Dani

Thank you for your post which I found both truthfull and very informative.

Two points that realy made me think

"some of us are lesbian and do it just for cash2

"though as by your late 20s you already have enough life experience to realise not all men are the same and there are good and bad"





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