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Offline Lucy chambers

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Obviously it is a ladie's right to decide who she sells or more accurately rents her body to based on anything from race, colour, creed or as trivial as favourite chewing gum flavour. It would not only be impossible, but also wrong to in anyway force someone to have sex with anyone they didn't feel fully comfortable seeing whether because of race, age, or etc, and who would even want to have sex with someone doesn't feel comfortable doing so...

Even with all that said I do still think it is a shame when blanket bans are issued because of negative experiences of a few of a select group that leave preconceived notions of the entire group...

Jeez louise, tell that to any nightclub that refuses guys not in a shirt and wearing training shoes. Bans are conceived upon experience.

Offline Simple

Jeez louise, tell that to any nightclub that refuses guys not in a shirt and wearing training shoes. Bans are conceived upon experience.

Ermmm, I wasn't having a go at you or anyone else for that, so what is the deal with the attitude?

Offline Fannytastico

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I have guests coming for the weekend, so will have to make this quick...Had no idea I was preaching any more than you were ranting. 

Right I thought I'd have time to respond to those points at least.  However, my guests have arrived and don't leave til Monday.  If I have time I will respond this w/e, if not on Mon.
Not wanting to bang on about this is it's getting boring, however I would like to respond to something that came across as fairly attacking, and I was told the comments I made were crap...  So in my own defence:

As has been said, some girls pay tax, some girls don't.  Some girls may be on benefits, I don't know.  You will have met more working girls than I have.  I can only speak from personal experience.  No  I don't get benefits, yes I will pay tax (have been doing this less than a year so awaiting the bill).

Some people state they are therapists, some state escort - as an escort condoms are an allowable expense...  I have no idea for any other occupation.

I can only tell you about the condoms my GUM clinic offered me... not any other GUM clinic.

Quote from James999 "So the facts are,

1. Don't believe girls go to the Gum Clinic for regular checks - I don't really care what you think, I do this for my benefit not yours or anyone else's.
2. Don't believe girls are registered with HMRC to pay tax - This is an extreme statement.  Believe what you like.  No-one will be able to change your mind either way, if you really are as blinkered as you are appearing in this and other threads I have read.
3. If they are registered then I don't believe its as a prostitute - Ditto above
4. Don't believe they'd claim (and get)condoms as a business expense.  - Ditto above

Now by all means prove me wrong, perhaps a few scans of your recent Gum certs (can cross out name) or a scan of your Tax return after all it needs to be in by Monday, unless of course you operate as a Limited company?  Sole Trader not limited company - less than a year.  GUM certs I don't bother to get, it's for my benefit not yours.  No punter has ever asked for one, and it would be pointless asking in any case.  Just the same as if I asked a punter for a certificate  - if you have a test, then have sex again, it is already out of date.  As I say these are for my benefit.

Whilst on the subject of tax, assuming you are reasonably successful then your turnover may well tip the VAT threshold.  Not over VAT threshold.

And your house / where you work from, is this registered as a business address with the Local authority for business rates.... No - less than a quarter of the space - in fact only one room, is used for part-time business purposes.  My local authority told me I didn't need to be registered.  you have a mortgage does yoru lender know yes, and whilst on the subject if you have a mortgage what did you put down as your occupation? At the time of applying I was employed, have since become self employed.  They haven't asked for proof of occupation - just made a note of the change.

....just don't preach to us that Girls pay tax etc, if they did the HMRC would not have a special department to target the girls. As mentioned before, had no idea I was preaching, and I wasn't speaking for every girl.  I agree with other posters though.  Your attitude does come across as troll-like or at the very least, provocative. 

Someone else mentioned Business Licensing, there are no specific licenses needed or regulations regarding escorting from home.  I do not have business insurance as a sole trader, and I have never thought about it, but I will enquire now it has been mentioned.

I state on my website that clients see me at their own risk.

Obviously I can't speak for other girls.  You are the punters and need to assess and take responsibility for your own risks.  However, don't tar us all with the same brush and not expect us to respond.

ps.  Appreciate the light hand on the moderation.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Now I know why I wasn't allowed to mention tax on auto-censored.  :D :lol:

Offline Lucy chambers

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Ermmm, I wasn't having a go at you or anyone else for that, so what is the deal with the attitude?

Sorry Simple, I was being a little aggressive. My problem is some contributors so clearly consider us fodder I become defensive. Apologies.

Online James999

Now I know why I wasn't allowed to mention tax on auto-censored.  :D :lol:

It clearly is a touchy subject for some, and as they say "Me thinks she doth protest too much"  :scare:

Offline oconnor

Most of the girls I know who pay tax are registered as a masseuse or a beauty therapist, or similar. This tax thing...  it's more trouble than it is worth by avoidance.  You don't have an identity..can't get a mortgage etc etc.  I agree there will be some girls on benefits just as there are some men on benefits and who work on the side, but those who are doing this full time do pay tax in my experience.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Most of the girls I know who pay tax are registered as a masseuse or a beauty therapist, or similar. This tax thing... it's more trouble than it is worth by avoidance.  You don't have an identity..can't get a mortgage etc etc. 
It depends how long a girl intends to stay in the business, if it is under a year I would not advise getting involved with Inland Revenue -------- it is like joining the mafia, they won't let you leave.

Offline Fannytastico

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It clearly is a touchy subject for some, and as they say "Me thinks she doth protest too much"  :scare:


Are you just being provocative.  You made sweeping, derogatory statements.  I responded to them.  You respond with yet another non-comment attempting to rile girls up.  What's your problem?

Offline Jimmyredcab

Are you just being provocative.  You made sweeping, derogatory statements.  I responded to them.  You respond with yet another non-comment attempting to rile girls up.  What's your problem?

You appear to be the one with a problem.  :rolleyes:

Offline Mellow

Are you just being provocative.  You made sweeping, derogatory statements.  I responded to them.  You respond with yet another non-comment attempting to rile girls up.  What's your problem?

Congratulations, Fannytastico. You've shown that here on UK punting, all the wgs are honest law-abiding people. James hasn't really suggested otherwise. However, perhaps like James, in the past I've made some unholy alliances with many wgs, almost all of which steal money from the state. Many girls I've known personally are sociopaths and don't seem to understand right from wrong. Most unfortunately are in denial.

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Offline Jimmyredcab

Congratulations, Fannytastico. You've shown that here on UK punting, all the wgs are honest law-abiding people. James hasn't really suggested otherwise. However, perhaps like James, in the past I've made some unholy alliances with many wgs, almost all of which steal money from the state.

I thought it was just me. ?????
I really have to smile when girls talk about claiming the cost of condoms against their tax, that would probably save them about £5 a week.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Online Marmalade

There was a big debate on here if I remember about people generally not paying tax. If you want to pay tax and happen to be a prostitute, there are extensive resources and so on at saafe and elsewhere about that issue. If a punter pays masses of tax and feels he is less well-off on account of people who practice tax-avoidance, he's entitled to feel that whether it's true or not. I think there's limited mileage in punters trying to prove that a specific WG doesn't pay tax. What you going to do, report her to the tax office and take her out of the available pool of WGs?? I can see why it's an issue for prossies. And some punters will believe individual prossies pay tax and some won't. Even if they do and even if they don't. As with GUM visits, I expect that the ones that do, do so for their own reasons and their own benefits. Not ours. Some punters might have an issue with it, but I don't see how it is useful for other punters.

Offline Fannytastico

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I thought it was just me. ?????
I really have to smile when girls talk about claiming the cost of condoms against their tax, that would probably save them about £5 a week.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
condoms, make-up, clothes, shoes, bedlinen, toys, toothbrushes, towels etc etc. It all adds up.   £5 is a lot to some people, including me.

Online James999

Are you just being provocative.  You made sweeping, derogatory statements.  I responded to them.  You respond with yet another non-comment attempting to rile girls up.  What's your problem?

As I said earlier I don't have a problem, and the subject of not paying tax will only upset those that don't pay tax, so if it riles the girls that is their problem between them and the taxman.

You seem intent on dragging the subject out and causing your self further upset, paying tax (for thsoe that pay it) is not such an emotive subject.

What do you want me to do, pull apart your responses and show how things don't add up, then that would be classed as being personal, it is not personal, the HMRC know most Prostitutes do not declare & pay correct tax, and they do not operate within the legal framework of a business. The HMRC have special teams "hidden ecoomy teams" to investigate such matters. Ranting on a message board will not change that.

What do you expect them to do, say oh well fantastico posted on a message board and  said says girls pay tax so it's ok lads we can close that department, what next ask prisoners if they are innocent (most say they are) and then we can close the prisons.


Online James999

condoms, make-up, clothes, shoes, bedlinen, toys, toothbrushes, towels etc etc. It all adds up.   £5 is a lot to some people, including me.

VERY odd that as many of those items would NOT be allowable expenses by HMRC, I'm sure your accountant told you that, odd that you should still mention them then.

Offline Fannytastico

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Congratulations, Fannytastico. You've shown that here on UK punting, *all* the wgs are honest law-abiding people. James hasn't really suggested otherwise. However, perhaps like James, in the past I've made some unholy alliances with many wgs, almost all of which steal money from the state. Many girls I've known personally are sociopaths and don't seem to understand right from wrong. *Most unfortunately are in denial*.
Overstatement
Hahaha

Offline Jimmyredcab

I think there's limited mileage in punters trying to prove that a specific WG doesn't pay tax.

I would never suggest that a specific girl does not pay tax, I am merely making a point that many WG's do not register with Inland Revenue, I can't say I blame them, if I had a choice I would not be registered either. ;)

Offline Fannytastico

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VERY odd that as many of those items would NOT be allowable expenses by HMRC, I'm sure your accountant told you that, odd that you should still mention them then.
Thanks for pointing it out.  I will double check with the helpline.  No, I don't have an accountant.

Anything else you want to know about my personal details?

Online Marmalade

I would never suggest that a specific girl does not pay tax, I am merely making a point that many WG's do not register with Inland Revenue, I can't say I blame them.
That's where I agree with you, JRC. As often is the case, you draw a fine line that accords with logic and accepted wisdom. My issue was with sentiments expressed in a way that displayed neither.

Online James999

I would never suggest that a specific girl does not pay tax, I am merely making a point that many WG's do not register with Inland Revenue, I can't say I blame them, if I had a choice I would not be registered either. ;)

I agree it's nto any specific girl it is the industry, and thats one of the reasons the HMRC have the hidden economy teams.

Online James999

Thanks for pointing it out.  I will double check with the helpline.  No, I don't have an accountant.

Anything else you want to know about my personal details?

I have never asked any of your personal details, I made a generic statement that Prostitutes do no register and pay correct tax, you then apply this to yoruself.

As for checking with the helpline, isn't that a bit late, you say £5 is a lot of money to you, yet if your tax was not settled by last night you would have a £100 fine  :scare:

« Last Edit: February 01, 2011, 11:53:44 AM by James999 »

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I have never asked any of your personal details, I made a generic statement that Prostitutes do no register and pay correct tax, you appear to recognise yourself in that group.

You asked for tax returns, gum reports and made sweeping statements about wgs.
I am on here for my own purposes, not to be your needling object for your petty amusement.
It appears some people can make sweeping statements and be challenged.  Others can't.   :scare:


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