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Author Topic: Differences in legality of curbcrawling and using Adultwork.  (Read 6457 times)

Offline k

Isn't kerb crawling where you are propositioning from your vehicle - winding down your window and asking "how much...?"

Offline Jimmyredcab

Isn't kerb crawling where you are propositioning from your vehicle - winding down your window and asking "how much...?"

It is a bit of a grey area, I saw a documentary a few years ago where the officer in charge of a clean up operation said that you could still be arrested if you park up and approach the girls on foot.

I was a street punter for many years, I would not consider it now, far too risky ----------- CCTV cameras are everywhere now.  :scare:

Offline smiths

With the situation explained, I still say perfectly legal, and neither of you are breaking any laws. You booked her from AW, and she's not a streetwalker. The fact you met on the actual street is neither here nor there (IMO), and isn't the same thing as walking/driving into a RLD, looking for a girl, finding one, approaching her and soliciting her services.

It'd be different if her AW profile said "I'm a streetwalker, and I work most nights on the corner of xx and xx, between 7pm and 1am. Come find me, and we'll hook up", and with those instructions, you went to xx and xx, found her, proposed her and then went to a hotel. That's soliciting.

I see this was Hetfields last post before he got banned. If its a permanent ban i hope it wasnt for giving false information about WGs, as he gave a fair bit of info on here.

Offline smiths

It is a bit of a grey area, I saw a documentary a few years ago where the officer in charge of a clean up operation said that you could still be arrested if you park up and approach the girls on foot.

I was a street punter for many years, I would not consider it now, far too risky ----------- CCTV cameras are everywhere now.  :scare:

Yes that is my understanding plus Soliciting then comes into play in that scenario as well. ;)

Offline Jimmyredcab

I see this was Hetfields last post before he got banned. If its a permanent ban i hope it wasnt for giving false information about WGs, as he gave a fair bit of info on here.

I think you need to look at his post on June 27th at 11-22pm.

Calling members "wannabe pimps" is not a good idea, even if you don't actually name them.   :thumbsdown:

I have the same feelings for him that you had for Wayang, good riddance.

I am always suspicious of prolific posters who have taken nearly three years to find us.    :rolleyes:

it amazes me how many people who punt are oblivious to the laws regarding paying for sex... You need to know your facts!

http://www.tlc-trust.org.uk/advice/page13.html

Berks Bloke in the link you just posted this was quoted:

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Kerb Crawing – driving slowly hoping to find a sex worker - might you get a criminal record and your name and photograph may be published in the local paper.

This makes it sound like a crime to just be even driving slowly in an RLD???

Berks Bloke in the link you just posted this was quoted:

This makes it sound like a crime to just be even driving slowly in an RLD???

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the police will not arrest you if you have randomly been seen driving in an area known for prostitution. However if they have suspicion you are curbcrawling, they may write to you, (at your home address), advising you that you was seen driving in a redlight district. Being "seen" three times driving suspiciously in  known area of prostitution would be seen as guilty beyond reasonable doubt unless you have a valid reason, (eg you can prove it is your regular route from A to B).

Aside from sending a letter surely there would be nothing else they could do if you were just driving there. No matter how many times you had driven around the roads and if it was your normal route of not. Until you actually stop to talk to a girl or they get in your car all you have done is drive slowly up a street.


Aside from sending a letter surely there would be nothing else they could do if you were just driving there. No matter how many times you had driven around the roads and if it was your normal route of not. Until you actually stop to talk to a girl or they get in your car all you have done is drive slowly up a street.

the letter serves as a "you've been warned" so if you get caught they can say its not your first offence

I'm still failing to see the crime though. If I was to drive down a road 10 times because I want to I can that is not a crime even if there are prostitutes on that road all I am doing is driving down it.

I'm not being awkward honest! and I am taking on board what you are saying Berks Bloke I'm just confused by the laws of the sex industry sometimes.

It seems as though the laws that are in place not just for streetwalking but the sex industry as a whole are there to allow it to happen on a minor scale but as soon as it starts to grow into a larger business the laws kick in and things get taken down.


if you were seen handing sweets out to children outside a school where you have no kids, there's no law against it but see how quickly you attract the attention of the law...

I'm still failing to see the crime though. If I was to drive down a road 10 times because I want to I can that is not a crime even if there are prostitutes on that road all I am doing is driving down it.

I'm not being awkward honest! and I am taking on board what you are saying Berks Bloke I'm just confused by the laws of the sex industry sometimes.

It seems as though the laws that are in place not just for streetwalking but the sex industry as a whole are there to allow it to happen on a minor scale but as soon as it starts to grow into a larger business the laws kick in and things get taken down.

Let's break it down
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1 You drive through a red light district slowly - Police send you a polite letter - have three choices:

1 Ignore and carry on
2 Stop driving through that region
3 You give a valid reason for why you have to drive that route

2 You drive the same route for the second time - This time the police stop you and inform you that you have been monitored driving the same route before

You have the same three options

3 You are caught a third time. Now the police have sufficient proof that you are curbcrawling and will arrest you for it.

Offline smiths

I'm still failing to see the crime though. If I was to drive down a road 10 times because I want to I can that is not a crime even if there are prostitutes on that road all I am doing is driving down it.

I'm not being awkward honest! and I am taking on board what you are saying Berks Bloke I'm just confused by the laws of the sex industry sometimes.

It seems as though the laws that are in place not just for streetwalking but the sex industry as a whole are there to allow it to happen on a minor scale but as soon as it starts to grow into a larger business the laws kick in and things get taken down.

You would only be committing an offence if you stopped to speak to a WG, thats why the police use undercover policewomen posing as WGs. If it were an offence just to drive around a known RLD as many times as you wanted they wouldnt need to do this, as CCTV and the police in the area just seeing you would be enough to arrest you.

The letters they could send are designed to scare people off, embarrass them, and if the wife reads the letter all the better from the police point of view. The police could also pull a guy over for an unofficial chat. This chat will scare at least some guys off.

With the laws around the street scene and brothels, both illegal already it comes down to the attitude of the top cops in any given area. They make a conscious decision whether to have a no tolerance area or be tolerant. So having laws is one thing, actually enforcing them can be at the discretion of the police. This tolerance or no tolerance area could change overnight at any time though, perhaps a new top cop is a moralist for example. And with Police Commissioners being elected i would imagine more clampdowns will happen if they are lobbied to do so, say by the anti-prostitution lobby.

However, this discretion is very unlikely to help someone charged with kerbcrawling or running/owning a brothel in court, as the judge is only concerned in most cases i have heard about that an offence was committed. Some brothel owners have said in court that the police knew for years that they were running a brothel and had visited many times in that time. The judge just convicted them and this non enforcement of the law by the police on various ocassions previously is swept under the legal carpet.

The positive to this difference between what the law says and how the police choose to enforce it is us punters who use brothels in areas of tolerance benefit from being able to of course.

If the will was their the street scene which the police know the where, when, why and sometimes who could be virtually eradicated, although it might just start up in another area obviously. And brothels could very easily all be closed. In reality to some top cops knowing where a RLD and/or Brothel is and being able to easily pull kerbcrawlers and/or close brothels when they choose to is a good situation to be in.

And finally there is now POCA where a police force can financially benefit from the money and assets seized from a brothel. A top cop or Police Commissioner could view POCA as a great way to bring money in. Simply allow brothels to operate for a while, make money and raid.

Offline Jimmyredcab

You would only be committing an offence if you stopped to speak to a WG, thats why the police use undercover policewomen posing as WGs. If it were an offence just to drive around a known RLD as many times as you wanted they wouldnt need to do this, as CCTV and the police in the area just seeing you would be enough to arrest you.

The letters they could send are designed to scare people off, embarrass them, and if the wife reads the letter all the better from the police point of view. The police could also pull a guy over for an unofficial chat. This chat will scare at least some guys off.

It is not against the law to drive around any area, even red light areas.

Most guys will take the hint once the police have pulled them over for a "routine chat".

Of course you could be "lost" in a red light area, but if you appear again the next night the police may not believe your story.

My advice, don't kerb crawl, it is so 1980's.     :sarcastic:

With the police sending letters advising of a person's driving in a red light district, it is especially unwise if you are driving a company car, or if your wife/partner is the registered keeper of the car  :scare:

Offline smiths

It is not against the law to drive around any area, even red light areas.

Most guys will take the hint once the police have pulled them over for a "routine chat".

Of course you could be "lost" in a red light area, but if you appear again the next night the police may not believe your story.

My advice, don't kerb crawl, it is so 1980's.     :sarcastic:

I agree. I should of said in the post you have quoted that an offence only occurs when you Solicit another in a public place which now includes from a vehicle.





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