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Author Topic: Differences in legality of curbcrawling and using Adultwork.  (Read 6456 times)

Just a thought that has crossed my mind.

At this moment I'm feeling very naive but to my knowledge getting a WG off the street is illegal but arranging to meet one from AW is not? Is that correct?

If so how do the police prove that you were picking the girl up for sex? Could you not just use the "money was for time and companionship only" line? Even if they caught you in the act how could they prove the money you gave over was for sex?

Offline philboi

I went into the bank to draw out some money. I showed my card and they gave me the money...

The next day I went into the bank to draw out some money, this time I showed them a gun..... and they arrested me!!!!!!  :unknown:

Sorry Philboi that's gone over my head a bit. Must be having a blonde day!

Offline philboi

Sorry Philboi that's gone over my head a bit. Must be having a blonde day!

The secret behind a GOOD illustration is that it doesn't need explaining!!

It appears I failed  :(

I think it's me that failed not you mate don't worry :)

Offline smiths

Just a thought that has crossed my mind.

At this moment I'm feeling very naive but to my knowledge getting a WG off the street is illegal but arranging to meet one from AW is not? Is that correct?

If so how do the police prove that you were picking the girl up for sex? Could you not just use the "money was for time and companionship only" line? Even if they caught you in the act how could they prove the money you gave over was for sex?

Yes you are correct. Kerbcrawling is an offence, so the police either follow the punters car, have CCTV or spot him with the WG who they are very likely to know from previous experience.

If both the WG and punter admit nothing then if it went to court it would come down to how likely it is that sex wasnt the reason for the guy picking the WG up. A man in a known RLD picking a likely known WG up off the street. And the WG might well admit that the guy asked her for sex anyway.

Offline philboi

Just a thought that has crossed my mind.

At this moment I'm feeling very naive but to my knowledge getting a WG off the street is illegal but arranging to meet one from AW is not? Is that correct?

If so how do the police prove that you were picking the girl up for sex? Could you not just use the "money was for time and companionship only" line? Even if they caught you in the act how could they prove the money you gave over was for sex?

As my friend smiths so eloquently pointed out, one way is illegal the other way isn't!
Which was the point I was trying to make with my illustration.... When I went into the bank, both times I had the same goal - to get some money - but one way was legal the other was not..  :D

Offline k

I went into the bank to draw out some money. I showed my card and they gave me the money...

The next day I went into the bank to draw out some money, this time I showed them a gun..... and they arrested me!!!!!!  :unknown:
BRILLIANT analogy, I like it.

Tell me though... when you went in the second time did they not recognize you from your previous visit?

Offline philboi

BRILLIANT analogy, I like it.

Tell me though... when you went in the second time did they not recognize you from your previous visit?

Well I think the girl on the next til did but by then I was in a head lock by the manager and forced to the floor!!! All turned out ok though, we all had a laugh about it later  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

BRILLIANT analogy, I like it.



Flawed ; when was the last time you booked a girl of aw , then went & picked her up off the street

Offline rpg

Flawed ; when was the last time you booked a girl of aw , then went & picked her up off the street

January this year! Booked an outcall to the hotel I was in and met her 50 yards up the road.

January this year! Booked an outcall to the hotel I was in and met her 50 yards up the road.

Did you walk  or drive  :D

Offline philboi

Flawed ; when was the last time you booked a girl of aw , then went & picked her up off the street

How is it flawed?

The money is constant, it's two different occasions wanting to acquire the same thing... One way is legal the other is not!  :unknown:

In fact rpj's experience is a good example.
He is picking the WG up from the street, driving or not. Albeit pre booked, it's the same scenario as a girl street walking and a Kerb-crawler!


Offline Hetfield

Is it not the act that is illegal? So RPG booked his WG on Adultwork, so regardless if she is pedalling herself on the street, he's not guilting of curbcrawling, and she's not guilty of solicitation.

Provided I have understood what RPG meant when he posted "Booked an outcall to the hotel I was in and met her 50 yards up the road", as he booked the girl on AW, then later met (as in bumped into) her 50 yards up the road [pedalling herself on the streets] ...?


Offline potato

I suppose that if you pre-booked a girl on AW and then accidentally picked a hotel in a Red Light District to meet at (because you don't know the area), then went out to pick her up from said area you would have a bit of explaining to do - however legal the booking was initially. Its pretty unlikely otherwise if its a decent hotel and you meet down the road - unless she is under investigation and being followed.  I know that you have the proof from the emails etc., but it doesn't stop you getting banged up first before you can prove you innocence...

Offline rpg

Is it not the act that is illegal? So RPG booked his WG on Adultwork, so regardless if she is pedalling herself on the street, he's not guilting of curbcrawling, and she's not guilty of solicitation.

Provided I have understood what RPG meant when he posted "Booked an outcall to the hotel I was in and met her 50 yards up the road", as he booked the girl on AW, then later met (as in bumped into) her 50 yards up the road [pedalling herself on the streets] ...?

I was being a bit flippant when I posted and didn't really think of the consequences

Booked outcall on AW = Legal
If girl had come to my room = legal
However I walked up the street a bit to meet her as we were going into the bar first for a drink. So, say the police happened to be watching her as a known (for whatever reason) WG. Then a man (me) approaches her and they disappear into a hotel. Legal or not?

Offline philboi

Is it not the act that is illegal? So RPG booked his WG on Adultwork, so regardless if she is pedalling herself on the street, he's not guilting of curbcrawling, and she's not guilty of solicitation.

I think initially we, rpj and myself, were questioning why CF thought my analogy was flawed!!

Booked outcall on AW = Legal
If girl had come to my room = legal
However I walked up the street a bit to meet her as we were going into the bar first for a drink. So, say the police happened to be watching her as a known (for whatever reason) WG. Then a man (me) approaches her and they disappear into a hotel. Legal or not?

But now we have this situation!!!

I'm guessing the illegal bit is for the guy to be picking up a 'known' kerb-crawler?

If rpj had already seen the girl once before, would it make a difference?

Also she would have to be known by the police, otherwise they could make a wrong assumption! Say it was one of those Internet dates or indeed a blind date???

I guess it's all down to what the police can prove??

Tricky.....  :unknown:

« Last Edit: June 29, 2013, 11:14:52 AM by philboi »

Offline potato

I would have thought that it would only be illegal if the "proposition" took place on the street.  I wouldn't, however, attempt to collect a girl from a known Red Light Area, that would be just asking for trouble.
I have often picked up girls from the Railway Station and can't see an issue with that  ( I mean, girls booked from AW that don't have transport of their own -  I don't like girls  arriving in Taxi's or those that have "drivers").  I don't think for one minute that the Police would be interested in following girls unless it was within a "known area". The girl however, may be followed by other people - eg., for benefit fraud.

The point is that, whilst it may not be illegal to pick up a pre-booked girl, do you want to go through the hassles of having to explain yourself and possibly getting a letter to your home! 

The police know it is hard to arrest on a first occasion. So they rely on the caution system to prove guilt. A prossie or punter then find it hard to use the "just picked her up" excuse if they have several cautions for being in a redlight district.

Also, there are offences that apply to street prostitutes and punters that do not apply to regular AW prossies, eg loitering and public decency offences

Offline Hetfield

I was being a bit flippant when I posted and didn't really think of the consequences

Booked outcall on AW = Legal
If girl had come to my room = legal
However I walked up the street a bit to meet her as we were going into the bar first for a drink. So, say the police happened to be watching her as a known (for whatever reason) WG. Then a man (me) approaches her and they disappear into a hotel. Legal or not?

With the situation explained, I still say perfectly legal, and neither of you are breaking any laws. You booked her from AW, and she's not a streetwalker. The fact you met on the actual street is neither here nor there (IMO), and isn't the same thing as walking/driving into a RLD, looking for a girl, finding one, approaching her and soliciting her services.

It'd be different if her AW profile said "I'm a streetwalker, and I work most nights on the corner of xx and xx, between 7pm and 1am. Come find me, and we'll hook up", and with those instructions, you went to xx and xx, found her, proposed her and then went to a hotel. That's soliciting.

Offline smiths

I was being a bit flippant when I posted and didn't really think of the consequences

Booked outcall on AW = Legal
If girl had come to my room = legal
However I walked up the street a bit to meet her as we were going into the bar first for a drink. So, say the police happened to be watching her as a known (for whatever reason) WG. Then a man (me) approaches her and they disappear into a hotel. Legal or not?

You could get pulled by the police for that as they might view it as solicitation on the street which is illegal. It as ever will depend on the police on the day, are they under orders to actually actively pull as many people as possible or merely intelligence gathering.

If you had emails between you and this WG that would establish a prior link and reason for meeting so if it went to court which is unlikely in my view you have that to back you up. Whether legally it would still be seen as solicitation as you did meet in the street is beyond any basic legal knowledge i have. ;)

How is it flawed?



It's flawed (not wrong) cos on the rare occasion you arrange to pick a aw booking up off the street , the chances of you getting pulled by the police are very very low & I'd imagine every time you. Tried to withdraw money from a bank with a gun  you'ed be arrested pretty quick  :hi:
 

Offline liquidman

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However I walked up the street a bit to meet her as we were going into the bar first for a drink. So, say the police happened to be watching her as a known (for whatever reason) WG. Then a man (me) approaches her and they disappear into a hotel. Legal or not?

Legal - you're not soliciting (you already did that online).

If curbing (pun intended) prostitution was the goal, they'd criminalize it. But the real goal is to maintain public decency, keep the streets relatively clean, and prevent innocent pedestrians getting harassed, so soliciting women or kerb crawling  :thumbsdown:.. pre-arranging a meetup with a specific individual in advance,  :thumbsup:

Of course, if that WG was under serious surveillance it doesn't mean you're not going to avoid getting dragged into something, legal or not..  :(

Offline smiths

I would have thought that it would only be illegal if the "proposition" took place on the street.  I wouldn't, however, attempt to collect a girl from a known Red Light Area, that would be just asking for trouble.
I have often picked up girls from the Railway Station and can't see an issue with that  ( I mean, girls booked from AW that don't have transport of their own -  I don't like girls  arriving in Taxi's or those that have "drivers").  I don't think for one minute that the Police would be interested in following girls unless it was within a "known area". The girl however, may be followed by other people - eg., for benefit fraud.

The point is that, whilst it may not be illegal to pick up a pre-booked girl, do you want to go through the hassles of having to explain yourself and possibly getting a letter to your home!

Good advice, dont risk picking any WG for any reason up if you know the area is a RLD. Just being seen in your car doing this could well result in a letter being sent to your cars registered address, to inform you you were seen in a RLD area doing this. These letters are obviously sent to cause embarrassment, enough to put you off going back to the RLD again.



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