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Author Topic: Can being discreet be detrimental?  (Read 7070 times)

Offline Jimmyredcab



20 guys knocking at a girl's door in a day will arouse suspicion, regardless of whether they're all carrying a clipboard  :hi:

Very few Indies would see 20 punters a day, a brothel type flat could get those numbers.

I think that it is more discreet to park away from the premises.

Offline Stiltskin

20 guys knocking at a girl's door in a day will arouse suspicion, regardless of whether they're all carrying a clipboard  :hi:

+1

It's best not to be seen at all. This is why the locations with side doors / rear entrances are so much better. I've seen girls that have had some really well chosen flats/houses where nobody would even see you approaching or entering their premises.

I also think that parking a car close to the girls place will make things worse, especially on a quiet street. People look out of their windows when they hear a car pull up, but they won't hear you if you arrive on foot.

Tony Montana


20 guys knocking at a girl's door in a day will arouse suspicion, regardless of whether they're all carrying a clipboard  :hi:

I often wonder how LMP remained discreet with up to 14 guys a day entering at 1pm, 4pm and 7pm every day for 7 years.

Offline Ali Katt

I only do incall days from apartments, but the amount of information given is dependent upon the location. That is not to be awkward, but because some guys actually can not follow basic directions or will have a nightmare finding parking in towns they are not familiar with.
You would be better off just giving the name of the apartment and the postcode, number when he gets there. All apartments are searchable on the likes of Zoopla so he can find his own directions.

Men can follow basic directions if they are given by a man. Men have a different style of speaking that cuts out all the girly crap and makes it more palatable and succinct.

Offline Kalium

Men can follow basic directions if they are given by a man. Men have a different style of speaking that cuts out all the girly crap and makes it more palatable and succinct.

LOL that is so true.

I know men who talk girly crap, and women who are succinct, but basically that is dead on though.

Offline mh

I often wonder how LMP remained discreet with up to 14 guys a day entering at 1pm, 4pm and 7pm every day for 7 years.

At least at the old/current place (not sure if they have moved yet) it was quite a busy street and had a clever method of going in one entrance and out a completely different way.

Offline CoolTiger

I often wonder how LMP remained discreet with up to 14 guys a day entering at 1pm, 4pm and 7pm every day for 7 years.

You forgot to add.... x7 Girls + x3 Staff (minimum).

With great difficulty, and it also helped having the flat on Ground Floor, cos as soon as they buzzed you in from the main front door,
one of the staff would then be waiting to open the door to you within 10 seconds. Nevertheless I recall Moss or Emma once telling me
how one punter still got lost within the building and knocked on the wrong door!!.

Also at LMP there was a discreet entrance form the front of the building which bypassed all the buzzers, and led you straight
to one of the action rooms. You had to ring and make sure that the discreet basement entrance door was opened for you.

All this was at their old flat. Have not yet been to their new one.

Offline hollysbeenabadgirl

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You would be better off just giving the name of the apartment and the postcode, number when he gets there. All apartments are searchable on the likes of Zoopla so he can find his own directions.

Men can follow basic directions if they are given by a man. Men have a different style of speaking that cuts out all the girly crap and makes it more palatable and succinct.

You'd like to think so. However, I find with one particular place that no bugger can find it using Google maps/Sat nav and they will spend 15 minutes circling it. Tell them to park at Sainsburys, then when they are there telling them they can see the building etc works fine. Other places a complete address is time saving and will be given immediately.

Offline Inna

One occasion I can think of, and there are others, is where this girls house got raided because the neighbours spotted what was going on with 3 girls using the house.

Because the girl was a regular of mine she said it was ok to still meet at hers alone, but when she said to park the car a distance away, then she would hide behind the door as usual, I objected!!

In my opinion this makes it look suspicious!
I suggested I park the car directly out front and approach the door with what would look like ID around my neck. Also I would bring in either a clip board or a small case and instead of her hiding behind the door, she was to open it in the usual way with civvi clothes on and welcome me in, then I would look like someone official....
It worked a treat..

I always make a point of not looking sheepish when approaching a WG's door!

Can being discreet be detrimental 'sometimes'?

I have had problems with neighbours twice, both times the giveaway was the number of guys arriving with flowers !

So now I ask that people do not bring flowers.

Offline Jimmyredcab

I often wonder how LMP remained discreet with up to 14 guys a day entering at 1pm, 4pm and 7pm every day for 7 years.

Maybe a good choice of venue.  :unknown:

People must have known but probably didn't care.

Offline lovingfacials

The W/G can tell me to park or 'advise' me on parking  approaching etc..............but i will always do what I WANT not what they tell me/advise me to do....

I park well away from the house/appt, I walk back to the house and approach/enter only when I feel happy..........

I am walking into the unknown holding £££££, if the w/g does not like my 'behaviour' or secuirty measures before the punt, its clear we wont get on & I walk...........

Risk vs. reward. im not parking in her road & having my number plate snapped, nope not happening!

Offline Hetfield

The W/G can tell me to park or 'advise' me on parking  approaching etc..............but i will always do what I WANT not what they tell me/advise me to do....

I park well away from the house/appt, I walk back to the house and approach/enter only when I feel happy..........

I am walking into the unknown holding £££££, if the w/g does not like my 'behaviour' or secuirty measures before the punt, its clear we wont get on & I walk...........

Risk vs. reward. im not parking in her road & having my number plate snapped, nope not happening!

This is also a very valid point. I forget that my last bunch of punts have been return visits, so of course I know the deal with the doors, parking etc. Going to a new place is entirely different, and we, as punters, have every right to be wary and protect ourselves. The majority of WG's are probably trustworthy and want trouble as little as we do, but of course, it is a shady business, and there are some that are out to rip you off, and car crime, being robbed, etc is easy as many of us won't report it (especially since we're British) as we're too worried about the lash back of reporting a crime that's to do with prostitution.

My car isn't an old banger, and I don't want it to get broken into, damaged, etc, or worse stolen. Likewise I don't fancy losing my money, phone, etc. And I certainly don't want any physical harm, which is hard to explain to people you don't want to know where you got it....

This is also a very valid point. I forget that my last bunch of punts have been return visits, so of course I know the deal with the doors, parking etc. Going to a new place is entirely different, and we, as punters, have every right to be wary and protect ourselves. The majority of WG's are probably trustworthy and want trouble as little as we do, but of course, it is a shady business, and there are some that are out to rip you off, and car crime, being robbed, etc is easy as many of us won't report it (especially since we're British) as we're too worried about the lash back of reporting a crime that's to do with prostitution.

My car isn't an old banger, and I don't want it to get broken into, damaged, etc, or worse stolen. Likewise I don't fancy losing my money, phone, etc. And I certainly don't want any physical harm, which is hard to explain to people you don't want to know where you got it....

Two very valid posts.

The suit and laptop 'disguise', as you quite rightly point out, only rings true in certain areas.

Some parts of Sunderland and Newcastle actually dictate not wearing a suit (I'm considering buying a shell suit from a charity shop).

Everything valuable, minus the punt funds, is locked out of sight in the car.

This thread is making me question the correct whereabouts of the car, and my general planning skills.


Offline Hetfield

Two very valid posts.

The suit and laptop 'disguise', as you quite rightly point out, only rings true in certain areas.

Some parts of Sunderland and Newcastle actually dictate not wearing a suit (I'm considering buying a shell suit from a charity shop).

Everything valuable, minus the punt funds, is locked out of sight in the car.

This thread is making me question the correct whereabouts of the car, and my general planning skills.

Which is all well and good, unless you are worried about the car being stolen! If I left everything except the punt fund in the car, and then came back to find the car broken into or stolen, then I've got no money to get home, and no phone to call a cab/friend/police.

And if the situation turns out to be a set up, and you get mugged by the pimp/whatever, and he takes your car key, it doesn't matter if you've left your valuables in the car or not.

Which is why it's a +1 to park somewhere YOU want to park, rather than where you're TOLD to park.

(plus, sometimes - more often then not - you need your phone with you for door/flat instructions, so you can't leave that in the car either. Fine if you leave your expensive smart phone in the car and take a crappy old Nokia with you, but I don't use a crappy punt phone, and I'm sure I'm not the only one)

It's all about just playing it by ear and if in doubt, bail

Some more food for thought.

I think I've been pretty naive up till now.

I'm certainly going to be a bit more savvy in future.

As a side note, how easy is it to steal a modern car ?

Offline smiths

Some more food for thought.

I think I've been pretty naive up till now.

I'm certainly going to be a bit more savvy in future.

As a side note, how easy is it to steal a modern car ?

Easy for a professional car thief, probably beyond the brain power of a WGs pimp, most of whom are as thick as two short planks which is why they leech off WGs, they cant do anything else. I minimise my risks though nowadays, so park where suits me.

Offline Kalium

Some more food for thought.

I think I've been pretty naive up till now.

I'm certainly going to be a bit more savvy in future.

As a side note, how easy is it to steal a modern car ?

If you have the key, very easy.

Otherwise car transport like the use for removing illegally parked vehicles. (yes crims do get hold of them)

The thing to do is if they take the key is not to tell them where the car is. Easier if you don't have a knife at your throat. I've got a hidden switch in mine that is difficult to find and too much bother to find the wires, so it would be less worry. Always worth doing, it saved my car once. Best not to hang around for when they get back to ask why the car won't start though.



Offline k

You would be better off just giving the name of the apartment and the postcode, number when he gets there. All apartments are searchable on the likes of Zoopla so he can find his own directions.

Men can follow basic directions if they are given by a man. Men have a different style of speaking that cuts out all the girly crap and makes it more palatable and succinct.
Girly direction:-
Walk past the florists, the nail technicians and that handbag shop, you'll see a place with tables and chairs outside with a nice display of hanging baskets with brightly coloured flowers.  Turn right there.

Man direction:-
Turn right at the pub.

Offline k

Some more food for thought.

I think I've been pretty naive up till now.

I'm certainly going to be a bit more savvy in future.

As a side note, how easy is it to steal a modern car ?
I see a lot of cars with broken windows in one area I go through regularly.  This is despite police warnings about car thefts on the lampposts.

Curious6705

I thought modern cars with coded keys etc were quite hard to steal without specialist knowledge and equipment. I recall reading a journo recently with a Merc E Class on test who locked his keys in the car reporting it took a Mercedes technician quite a while to get into it.

Irrelevant if you just intimidate the driver into handing over the keys I suppose.

I'm quite glad I neither drive to punts, or punt in dodgy areas.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2013, 06:38:37 PM by Curious6705 »

Offline Hetfield

It will have taken the Merc tech a while to get into the car *without causing any damage*. If you want to steal a car, and aren't bothered about causing damage, it doesn't take long at all.

And I think the bit about pimps not having the brain power is a bit of a deluded generalisation. I'd wager that most of them know a fair bit about crime, and the trafficker pimps will most likely have grown up in at and had a hand in most things along the line, one way or another.

Curious6705

It will have taken the Merc tech a while to get into the car *without causing any damage*. If you want to steal a car, and aren't bothered about causing damage, it doesn't take long at all.

You've still to get past a coded immobiliser though. If it's an expensive motor it may have tracking installed etc. If it's not a premium vehicle the hassle of stealing it may make it not worth bothering. I have a mass market car I bought nearly new at the height of the financial crisis. It's got deadlocks, immobiliser, alarm etc. I don't think it's worth the hassle anyone trying to nick it or the thousands of similar cars found in any city. Plus I don't drive / park anywhere dodgy - I walk almost everywhere locally, and on trips to London I'm usually in the poshest parts of town, but don't take the car anyway.

Offline Hetfield

I'm not saying it's as simple as flicking a switch and off you go. But car crime/theft isn't really on the decline, so I'm guessing it's not that hard to steal cars, regardless of immobilisers, trackers, etc. I'm not a car thief, so I can't really advise on *how* it's done, but cars get stolen a lot.

Curious6705

I'm not saying it's as simple as flicking a switch and off you go. But car crime/theft isn't really on the decline, so I'm guessing it's not that hard to steal cars, regardless of immobilisers, trackers, etc. I'm not a car thief, so I can't really advise on *how* it's done, but cars get stolen a lot.

Actually I think you'll find it is on the decline around the world - I thought it was, and a quick Google seems to confirm that. Without the keys modern cars are bloody hard to steal. I believe this lead to some car jackings and owners being threatened to get the keys. A stupid think to do IMO, as it turns a property crime into one against the person, which the police can justify putting a lot more resources in to to catch the crims. There have to be easier ways for most crims to earn a dishonest crust ...

Offline lovingfacials

Lets say Im punting in Yardly in Birmignham - which I dont!!!!

I drive to City Centre park in the Bull Ring, stash all my valuables in glove box  (sat nav, Iphone etc) and take bus to Yardley & phone near house with cheap nokia £10 punting phone - that way I have tried to lessen any security concerns as much as possible

Or its a normal punt in say Stafford, drive to location park in say local NCP or supermarket & wal round to house - those are my MO - it makes sense to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the w/g can advise as much as she wants/likes then I do excatly what I want/feel comfortable doing!!!!


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