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Offline y101y

Saw the new Indian girl at Skyline today, jasmine I think. Will write a review in a bit but bottom line I won’t be rushing back. Not terrible but just strange.

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Saw Alina in chingford today. B2b for 60 for 30 minutes.
Good, but quite professional, and not a fan of the fake tits.

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Saw Alina in chingford today. B2b for 60 for 30 minutes.
Good, but quite professional, and not a fan of the fake tits.

Glad to hear she's still working and at that price.  I hate fake tits too but the other sights on display are :wacko:

Offline stampjones

Sarah, Natural Health Clinic, Ewell Road, Surbiton.
Was in the area and decided to try out one of their massage places. Chose this one for no good reason.

Girl: 50s. Looked appealing in low cut dress. Less so out of it. Smallish A/B tits, thin body with slightly flabby belly. Hairy, extra dry pussy.

Session: 30 for 30, 40 b2b. Massage was actually pretty decent. Got some knots out. Asked me to name a price on turn which I did. She removed her clothes and climbed aboard. She was enthusiastic enough and didnt refuse anything but just didnt do it for me. Quick shower and out. Woulddnt return for her but maybe if I was in the area again.
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Thanks for the warning JP.   :drinks:

Need to refresh your Massage 102:
1) Particularly with suspect providers always confirm exact form of service delivery i.e. nude body slides not rubbing from side of table/bed, touching tits/pussy/a-hole allowed.
2) Don't bother with girls who wildly over-quote and then take what you're offering.
3) IF you do proceed then put money on table and say she can have it after the service is done.

I don't often use 3) as I tend to be out the door if they're difficult about what's on offer and what's a reasonable price.  Too many other more obliging girls to be found.

 :drinks:

Thanks for the refresher course, looks like it's back to school for me!

We could add another point;

4) Don't go looking for a massage(maybe just applies to Central London only) when you're super horny, as mistakes will be made.

- Seriously, I was off the charts horny on that day and it goes to show how lacklustre the massage was as I was at full hilt before she started and withering as soon as she did.

Thanks again.

Offline jimmypoo

......,  Shows how out of touch I was.

Remembering back to my massages in the past, the masseuse would collect the money at the end.

I neglected to mention that Kitty insisted I pay up front - which did kill the almost non-existent  mood a little more.

I must look dodgy.


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......,  Shows how out of touch I was.

Remembering back to my massages in the past, the masseuse would collect the money at the end.

I neglected to mention that Kitty insisted I pay up front - which did kill the almost non-existent  mood a little more.

I must look dodgy.
To be fair that’s not that uncommon. Not necessarily an indicator of bad times ahead in my experiencs

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To be fair that’s not that uncommon. Not necessarily an indicator of bad times ahead in my experiencs

Indeed, when they do that I always give my gut a second check about how their attitude is coming across, it's what prompts me to confirm services to be persuaded by their response.  I might ask if kissing is ok or any other intimate touching or RO if not already mentioned.  Buys a few more seconds for doubt to solidify and an exit in the face of a shitty or unconvincing reply.

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Indeed, when they do that I always give my gut a second check about how their attitude is coming across, it's what prompts me to confirm services to be persuaded by their response.  I might ask if kissing is ok or any other intimate touching or RO if not already mentioned.  Buys a few more seconds for doubt to solidify and an exit in the face of a shitty or unconvincing reply.
Wise words!

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Sarah, Natural Health Clinic, Ewell Road, Surbiton.
Was in the area and decided to try out one of their massage places. Chose this one for no good reason.

Girl: 50s. Looked appealing in low cut dress. Less so out of it. Smallish A/B tits, thin body with slightly flabby belly. Hairy, extra dry pussy.

Session: 30 for 30, 40 b2b. Massage was actually pretty decent. Got some knots out. Asked me to name a price on turn which I did. She removed her clothes and climbed aboard. She was enthusiastic enough and didnt refuse anything but just didnt do it for me. Quick shower and out. Woulddnt return for her but maybe if I was in the area again.
Next time try the place opposite always got young Chinese girls available but avoid the Mamasan who will try to massage you if you are not careful

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Next time try the place opposite always got young Chinese girls available but avoid the Mamasan who will try to massage you if you are not careful

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I actually only spotted that on the way out. Cheers for the tip  :drinks:

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I actually only spotted that on the way out. Cheers for the tip  :drinks:

The mamasan is quite difficult to shake off ... in fact ive never managed it even when ive arranged to see the younger lass on the phone prior to visiting ... it made me reluctant to visit again. So be firm.

Having said that, she does a good massage and a decent he ... she just isnt very attractive to look at.

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The mamasan is quite difficult to shake off ... in fact ive never managed it even when ive arranged to see the younger lass on the phone prior to visiting ... it made me reluctant to visit again. So be firm.

Having said that, she does a good massage and a decent he ... she just isnt very attractive to look at.

South Woodford Chinese place now has a loud barrel-chested aged mamasan who includes herself in the potential roster when you ask.

The word 'mamasan' intrigues me as it's Japanese in origin and more associated with bar manageress? A mate worked in a Tokyo bank for three years and said his favourite local bar had a crazy one who would make you feel up her tits as she collected glasses.

Offline Tedbandy

Popped in the Victoria Road Romford massage place; never been before. 

Paid for half an hour and the lady proceeds to hand me a face mask and then a pen to fill in contact details (test and trace etc).

"Oh for fuck sake" i said in my head as i proceeded to fill out my fake contact details, as i knew at this point no fun was gonna occur.

Decent massage and HR for an extra score, dont think you are gonna charm these ladies into anything more.  If you fancy a challenge then this could be it!
« Last Edit: July 27, 2020, 03:04:12 pm by Tedbandy »

Offline Botev Plovdiv

Natural Remedy, Ballards Lane, Finchley now reopened. A bit public for my liking with people sitting outside the restaurant next door. but with a mask on it's fairly easy to go in unrecognised.

£30/30mins. Old chinese woman on counter seemed to be explaining that she would do first 15 mins and then "other lady come". Decided to go for it since it had been so long. Kept underwear on since there was no way i was going to let the counter lady have access to the jewels. After 30 mins of a dry uncomfortable massage she said we were finished. I complained about the missing "lady" but counter lady just looked blank (well her eyes looked blank since the rest of her was hidden) but just as i got dressed in walked the "lady".

Couldn't tell you what she looked like because she wore a mask on and jeans and there was nothing sexy about her, but she asked me to remove the underwear and she got straight down to business with some lovely reach-arounds and fondling. Requested £50 for HE and strip. Agreed £30 and to be fair it was a very good effort on her part and she seemed to have no issues with my wandering hands. I reckon there is definite potential with this one, albeit the ending worked out at £5 a minute. Her name was Ginger; small tits but protruded nips and in pretty good shape.

Offline y101y

Saw the new Indian girl at Skyline today, jasmine I think. Will write a review in a bit but bottom line I won’t be rushing back. Not terrible but just strange.
Ok have time for a quick (mini) review.

Jasmine is probably early 30s. Face isn’t great but body was hard to see under a flowing dress. Her attitude was shit from the start. No smiling, minimal replies to my attempt to start a conversation, etc. Went for a shower and almost convinced myself to go back in the room, dress and ask for a refund (or to see Sonya next door). But when I got back I decided to see it through - figured I’d get a good story out of it either way. Before jumping on the table I asked if she was ok as she didn’t seem to be in a good mood. Her response was that she has a lot on her mind.

Massage was so-so. I asked for medium pressure but also “relaxing”. She did some nice moves but by in large it was an underwhelming rub. I got her to open up more my talking about India and my trips there. She asked if I’d ever had massages there so I told a few stories of my experiences (almost all true ;) ). This seemed to make her relax and from that point on she asked a thousand questions: are you married? Have kids? Do you live nearby? What’s the scar on your back? It went on.

Did the flip and agreed 40 for b2b and OW. When she stripped I saw she had a surprisingly nice pair of tits. But also a giant belly, which looked out of place as she’s otherwise quite thin. It genuinely looked like she’s a few months pregnant. Very strange.

B2b was ok and her bj was acceptable. She is fine with dirty talk and actually plays along a bit more than some girls. The biggest problem was her breath. It stunk of onions and she kept breathing in my face despite my best efforts to avoid it. Finally shot my load on her tits, showered and left.

Couple other things: After we agreed the tip she asked if I wanted to pay now or after. Obviously answer after (silly question) so she confirmed that I had a mobile with me. Didn’t know what that was about but quickly found out as she decided to stop the action to tell me she just had a punter that got his extras then claimed he had to money. Before “going to the cash machine” she asked to hold his mobile but, again, he claimed he didn’t have one. Left his watch instead but - you guessed it - he didn’t return and the watch is worthless. She went out of her way to explain it was a black bloke and that’s why she doesn’t trust them.  Sorry if anyone’s offended, just stating how it was.

Finally, had a good chat with the receptionist (the nice looking one - for some reason I have an idea she claims to be the niece of the proprietor? Not sure if my memory is correct). Anyway, she confirmed they have lots more girls starting over the next few weeks. Too bad she doesn’t do sessions herself - I’ve asked her a few times in a joking way and she always laughs it off (but knows I’d love it too).

So I won’t see jasmine again. The negatives outweigh the positives.
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Ok have time for a quick (mini) review.

Jasmine is probably early 30s. Face isn’t great but body was hard to see under a flowing dress. Her attitude was shit from the start. No smiling, minimal replies to my attempt to start a conversation, etc. Went for a shower and almost convinced myself to go back in the room, dress and ask for a refund (or to see Sonya next door). But when I got back I decided to see it through - figured I’d get a good story out of it either way. Before jumping on the table I asked if she was ok as she didn’t seem to be in a good mood. Her response was that she has a lot on her mind.
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So I won’t see jasmine again. The negatives outweigh the positives.

Thanks for the warning :drinks:
Perhaps not mention about your scar as that kinda id's you to the establishment/girls.

I've become very wary of the management as they now seem happy to lie about the girls' looks and feedback to us long-term customers.   I always suss out at least a couple of alternatives in the area if I head over that way for one of their new girls.  Will try to check out a few of the nearby parlours this week, if they're open.  My last visit seems to have had no ill health effects but will give it another couple of days.

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South Woodford Chinese place now has a loud barrel-chested aged mamasan who includes herself in the potential roster when you ask.

The word 'mamasan' intrigues me as it's Japanese in origin and more associated with bar manageress? A mate worked in a Tokyo bank for three years and said his favourite local bar had a crazy one who would make you feel up her tits as she collected glasses.

I just use mamasan cos muff does ... ive no idea where he got it from  :lol:

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Thanks for the warning :drinks:
Perhaps not mention about your scar as that kinda id's you to the establishment/girls.

I've become very wary of the management as they now seem happy to lie about the girls' looks and feedback to us long-term customers.   I always suss out at least a couple of alternatives in the area if I head over that way for one of their new girls.  Will try to check out a few of the nearby parlours this week, if they're open.  My last visit seems to have had no ill health effects but will give it another couple of days.

Yeah true about mentioning distinguishing features, but funny thing is I didnt even know I had a “scar”. Probably just some blemish or mole or something else we get as we age. She said (and here’s another clue I prob shouldn’t say) “White people always have bad skin”. I’m sure she didn’t mean to offend, and I wasn’t offended, but it was a weird thing to say.

Also forgot to add that I slipped a finger in her pussy while she was blowing.

Know what you mean about the management. Always been fairly reliable to me but certainly seems to be slipping. Let’s hope it’s just a phase. Havent been to any of the other local-ish establishments since lock down eased. I did have a great punt with a Brazilian in Greenwich recently but I can’t find her ad any more to do a review.

Offline cunningman

Natural Remedy, Ballards Lane, Finchley now reopened. A bit public for my liking with people sitting outside the restaurant next door. but with a mask on it's fairly easy to go in unrecognised.

You are sitting socialising with an SO, or a mate, or someone that you want to be an SO.
How much attention do you pay to the guy going into the dodgy place next door? Even if you think its dodgy?

Seriously i was talking an SA lady into car fun and she's 'they will see as they drive past' and I'm thinking 'me, I look at the road, not gawp into the windows of parked cars I'm passing at 60'.  FFS.

Hide in plain sight.


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Thanks for the warning :drinks:
Perhaps not mention about your scar as that kinda id's you to the establishment/girls.

I've become very wary of the management as they now seem happy to lie about the girls' looks and feedback to us long-term customers.   I always suss out at least a couple of alternatives in the area if I head over that way for one of their new girls.  Will try to check out a few of the nearby parlours this week, if they're open.  My last visit seems to have had no ill health effects but will give it another couple of days.

And believe me, the women talk amongst themselves about such things (distinguishing features) :dash:

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I just use mamasan cos muff does ... ive no idea where he got it from  :lol:
noun: mamasan
(in Japan and East Asia) a woman in a position of authority, especially one in charge of a geisha house or bar.

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And believe me, the women talk amongst themselves about such things (distinguishing features) :dash:

Hmmm, wonder how they recognise me... will have to ask a couple of friendlies...  alas  it certainly won't be "monster schlong", "wonky dick", "double Ds", "shaggy butt", "one eye", "abs" or "Hitachi". :(

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Hmmm, wonder how they recognise me... will have to ask a couple of friendlies...  alas  it certainly won't be "monster schlong", "wonky dick", "double Ds", "shaggy butt", "one eye", "abs" or "Hitachi". :(

Tattoos that seem like a good idea at the time...

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Hmmm, wonder how they recognise me... will have to ask a couple of friendlies...  alas  it certainly won't be "monster schlong", "wonky dick", "double Ds", "shaggy butt", "one eye", "abs" or "Hitachi". :(

At one time I was stored in a semi-regular's phone as "Mister Trifle" after my penchant for occasional mini-sploshes.

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Herbal Clinic Cricklewood- Greek Victoria
Place well reviewed- popped in a only Ana and Victoria were available, both at reception, chose Victoria as looked to have a nice pair of tits under the t-shirt. Paid £50 for 1 hour

Aged around 22-25, size 8, long black hair - no idea if she is Greek? Overall an attractive girl with good body.

Off to the room for a shower, Victoria entered and on to the massage couch I get (full nude) what proceeded was a very respectable massage, felt borderline professional. Sadly no erotic element at all, she worked away on different body parts for a good 45 mins, generally felt great and was thinking was anything else going to happen? and then she popped the question. Standard pricing 20/30/40, went for the £40 fully nude.

Off came the cloths to reveal a very fit body with nice firm B/C cup tits and toned arse. What proceeded was a very nice handjob, plenty of oil and a few changes of pace I had a good feel of those tits and arse but when my fingers wandered towards her pussy they were discretely guided away (what a shame)

When the inevitable occurred she cleaned me up nicely and was dressed in flash.

Bit of a funny one to rate as she quite fit, did nothing wrong at all And delivered a very enjoyable hand relief, yet I Still left a bit underwhelmed.   If like me sometimes you just like to be wanked off by a fit, naked 20something then she is one for you.  If you yearn for the same with a raunchier service Herbal clinic and Victoria isn’t for you.  Will be interested to see if girls start to offer more as inevitable Covid makes punters want bigger bang for buck.

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Anyone tried Cici at the tatty Lewisham joint on Elverson Rd?  Comments on her services, looks and attitude appreciated.

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You are sitting socialising with an SO, or a mate, or someone that you want to be an SO.
How much attention do you pay to the guy going into the dodgy place next door? Even if you think its dodgy?

Seriously i was talking an SA lady into car fun and she's 'they will see as they drive past' and I'm thinking 'me, I look at the road, not gawp into the windows of parked cars I'm passing at 60'.  FFS.

Hide in plain sight.

Punting in your car on the shoulder of a motorway tends to get you noticed by the wrong kind of spectator.   :dash:

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Anyone tried the new Lisa @ Skyline South African girl mentioned a week or so ago? 
She's already pulled a few shifts in the past couple of weeks so not an immediate reject.  Just can't bring myself to chance a 20 mile ride out and back on the off chance she's a keeper.

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Anyone tried the new Lisa @ Skyline South African girl mentioned a week or so ago? 
She's already pulled a few shifts in the past couple of weeks so not an immediate reject.  Just can't bring myself to chance a 20 mile ride out and back on the off chance she's a keeper.

Not yet but I’m working on it!


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Watford, Maridian, back in February and March prior to the lock down. Rang them this week they are open now, shop closes around 8.30 pm.

Main road, pay machine and display parking, I visited later evening.  Enter the shop entrance, pay receptionist £45 hour, then downstairs to private rooms. Three visits over a few months, different days of the week, each time I met a lovely lady with a different name and physique. Wendy, Mary, and Amy if that matters.

Each time the masseuse was in good shape, meeting on each occasion with a few different early-mid thirty's, nice looking ladies with respectable face and bods.  I chat with the lady in private in the room using additional sign language and I don't like to use English for my specific requests. Prior the start, I discretely ask if she's ok with two things, showing her that I'm holding out two twenty notes, one for... HR (with sign language motion of one wrist - hand quickly twisting up and down), and then other twenty for body to body ( using sign language of both hands up and down our chest and waist, waving and patting fingers between us). All three times it was and hour of very nice personal erotic type experience. Sorry this sounds like an Ebay description, I don't work there, just visiting. Recommended, A+, would visit again. 

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Watford, Maridian, back in February and March prior to the lock down. Rang them this week they are open now, shop closes around 8.30 pm.

Main road, pay machine and display parking, I visited later evening.  Enter the shop entrance, pay receptionist £45 hour, then downstairs to private rooms. Three visits over a few months, different days of the week, each time I met a lovely lady with a different name and physique. Wendy, Mary, and Amy if that matters.

Each time the masseuse was in good shape, meeting on each occasion with a few different early-mid thirty's, nice looking ladies with respectable face and bods.  I chat with the lady in private in the room using additional sign language and I don't like to use English for my specific requests. Prior the start, I discretely ask if she's ok with two things, showing her that I'm holding out two twenty notes, one for... HR (with sign language motion of one wrist - hand quickly twisting up and down), and then other twenty for body to body ( using sign language of both hands up and down our chest and waist, waving and patting fingers between us). All three times it was and hour of very nice personal erotic type experience. Sorry this sounds like an Ebay description, I don't work there, just visiting. Recommended, A+, would visit again. 

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love that you manage to squeeze a game of charades in with your rub and tug, great work!  :lol:

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Watford, Maridian, back in February and March prior to the lock down. Rang them this week they are open now, shop closes around 8.30 pm.

Main road, pay machine and display parking, I visited later evening.  Enter the shop entrance, pay receptionist £45 hour, then downstairs to private rooms. Three visits over a few months, different days of the week, each time I met a lovely lady with a different name and physique. Wendy, Mary, and Amy if that matters.

Each time the masseuse was in good shape, meeting on each occasion with a few different early-mid thirty's, nice looking ladies with respectable face and bods.  I chat with the lady in private in the room using additional sign language and I don't like to use English for my specific requests. Prior the start, I discretely ask if she's ok with two things, showing her that I'm holding out two twenty notes, one for... HR (with sign language motion of one wrist - hand quickly twisting up and down), and then other twenty for body to body ( using sign language of both hands up and down our chest and waist, waving and patting fingers between us). All three times it was and hour of very nice personal erotic type experience. Sorry this sounds like an Ebay description, I don't work there, just visiting. Recommended, A+, would visit again. 

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What’s the sign language for “How much to spunk on your face?”

Offline Jokerinpack

Quick review of Ting Ting in Egham. Managed a visit and she’s a very slim size 6 with a smile and simple English. Massage was ok, but not especially gifted. Body to body really wasn’t sliding etc. Had to ask her to lie down and clearly my RO technique did nothing for her. Much as reviews by someone in January, she just lies still. She didn’t allow fingers inside and have to say the b2b aspect was not there. She just stood and finished for hand job at £40 + usual £45 for the hour. I think for this sort of thing Osterley girls do better and have more fun.

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[...] plus a new Chinese salon on that corner which states massages in the window (not tried).

What corner is that?

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Went Oasis in Eltham again yesterday. It really is a last resort kind of place. Service was fine but far from great. For those times wanking yourself just won’t do, but no better options are available.

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Swung by Elverson Rd to meet CiCi but was met by Tina instead, can't recall if I've bedded her, she's quite attractive with a broad, pale face with petite features and angled chin, mid-40s+, 5'3"ish, quietly welcoming but hiding her figure under a shapeless dress.  B2B confirmed on offer for 40.  Others have mentioned she's quite game on so I would've been happy to give her a try if my appointment at Skyline proved miserable.

Moved on to Skyline and met Lisa the new "South African" girl.  Apparently genuine mid 20s, coffee coloured skin, 5'7", bit of belly on a size 10-12, strong thighs, smallish taut butt, slightly pendulous boobs C/Ds, responsive dark cigar butt nipples that she likes having played with, tattoos.  Lovely smile, apparently sweet, trusting persona, claims to be newish to the game perhaps a bit vulnerable, but it could be a good act.  She's due back 2nd part of this coming week.  Worth a dabble.  40 gets you B2B without quibble.  Massage skills elementary but has a nice touch, CCs turned to a finger running my crack and teasing A-play, reach-unders ok.  No OWO this time, but she suggested massage on her, I gave her RO instead which seemed to be appreciated.  Sank fingers into her melting pussy after some warming up and bumped her up another gear for the finish.   She suggested a condom but I didn't have one so no FS this time (another 20 probably seals that deal).  My turn, HR and breast rubbing nicely done, I gave her clit and pussy more attention with a free hand whilst she popped my cork over her chest.

No mask or gloves worn during encounter.  No symptoms as yet after a week or so.

A welcome positive after such a long hiatus, would return.

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Nipped into Health First Spa round the back of Holborn Tube this afternoon.

Reopened two weeks ago, although now operating with only two girls instead of the three (or sometimes four) pre-lockdown.  You may want to call ahead for an appointment if you're pressed for time.

I only had time for a quick 30 minute rub for 30 quid, saw Sally who recognised me from a previous visit. She wears specs, a cup and a little bush. Wanted 50 quid for a naked HE, but I remembered that B2B wasn't that great so just said a normal HE would be fine.  She stripped off anyway, everything was much as I remembered.  Plenty of encouragement from her and some praise on production of the seed.

I'll nip back at some point, for a full hour but I fear some of the wild girls I've experienced there in the past won't be re-appearing for some time.

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Toynbee and Wentworth.
Walked by there today but couldnt see the new place. Must be going blind. In my defense most shops were shut and shuttered so maybe I just missed it

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Walked by there today but couldnt see the new place. Must be going blind. In my defense most shops were shut and shuttered so maybe I just missed it

@sparkus will confirm, but I think it’s the place next to a fast food outlet.  I recall going there a couple of years ago, it was run by Chinese then Thai, not sure who it’s run by now.

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@sparkus will confirm, but I think it’s the place next to a fast food outlet.  I recall going there a couple of years ago, it was run by Chinese then Thai, not sure who it’s run by now.
Yeah I know that one but I thought there was a new one. Probably just my brain giving up  :music:

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Yeah I know that one but I thought there was a new one. Probably just my brain giving up  :music:

It is (or was) on the corner, plate glass windows and ostensibly a beauty salon. Opened about a year ago.

I'm not referring to the Thai massage shop on Toynbee Street.

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It is (or was) on the corner, plate glass windows and ostensibly a beauty salon. Opened about a year ago.

I'm not referring to the Thai massage shop on Toynbee Street.
Ah ok I did see that but it looked a bit professional.
I think we’ve all been to the toynbee street one   :drinks:

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Ah ok I did see that but it looked a bit professional.
I think we’ve all been to the toynbee street one   :drinks:

It says Full Body Massage in the window :unknown:
Though I'm guessing someone would have TOFTT if possible the past 12 months.
Yes, Toynbee Street did employ Lisa with the mahoosive chebs.

Separately, Pure Life Croydon now boarded up?

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Guys

Moving from Gloucestershire to southwest London soon, Richmond area. Any recommendations, especially Thai and preferably independents much appreciated.

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Guys

Moving from Gloucestershire to southwest London soon, Richmond area. Any recommendations, especially Thai and preferably independents much appreciated.

I believe there is a different thread for independents ... though i dont read it much ... and dont seem to be able to link to it
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