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Author Topic: Which is worse Punter or Prossie?  (Read 3269 times)

Offline IluvPussy

Which is worse - Being labelled as a WG or a punter in British society?
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Tough one. I'd say punter edges it.


Offline Ali Katt

Depends. With punters, many civvy men and women think of the "dirty mac brigade" - an entirely different group or webcam wankers or men who can't get a date - as we all know these are crass stereotypes and unfounded.

When people say prostitute they think of streetwalkers - shitloads of cheap make-up, ripped leggings, shagging every tom, dick and someone else's dick down a back alley - in reality the "drunken slapper" stereotype is probably more like this. With Belle de Jour I think prossies are getting slowly getting more socially acceptable, but only if they are high class i.e. expensive.

Offline Warwick

I think it's definitely more humiliating being labelled a punter. It implies sort of weak, needy, can't control yourself etc.

I quite like the word prostitute, it sort of grabs your attention. Escort is a bit naff and wishy washy. You know what your in for with prostitute - lol

« Last Edit: June 06, 2013, 12:13:28 AM by Warwick »

Offline Marmalade

You do think up some delicious questions  :vomit:
 :sarcastic:


"...who, following his divorce, resorted to using prostitutes..."

There's your sad stereotype right there  :(

"...who, following his divorce, resorted to using prostitutes..."

There's your sad stereotype right there  :(

You beat me to it, fisher; when I saw the title of this thread, my first thought was about that patronising stereotype.

We're not "visiting" them; we're "using" them, which subtly demeans both WG & punter.

It demeans WGs because it implies they're too weak to prevent themselves being used; it demeans punters because, not only does it imply we're too sad to be able to form a "normal" relationship, but that we'd try to use other people for our own ends.

Offline lovingfacials

You beat me to it, fisher; when I saw the title of this thread, my first thought was about that patronising stereotype.

We're not "visiting" them; we're "using" them, which subtly demeans both WG & punter.

It demeans WGs because it implies they're too weak to prevent themselves being used; it demeans punters because, not only does it imply we're too sad to be able to form a "normal" relationship, but that we'd try to use other people for our own ends.

Very good question ILP & a tough one to answer, I agree with what RL has said & would add this:

there are no winners only degrees of losing.............

neither are better then the other they are both degrading & 'dirty' when viewed by mainstream society & I dont think that will ever change

Offline IluvPussy

My take on it is that the sex worker (feminist speak) is often seen as the victim, that is they must be under either direct or in-direct control of a man. Either a violent pimp, a mind controlling boyfriend, or bad parenting, esp father making the girl feel worthless.

They are then further vicitimised by the dirty seedy perverted mac brigade of punters, who either want tie them up and batter the poor girl, or enact some other phillia that disgust any right minded person.

Anyway, that's how I perceive how I am perceived as a punter, and I think the fact it is 99% bull won't make a difference any time soon.
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Offline Cactus

I'd say prossie is worse, as there is a certain stigma attached, rightly or wrongly, to the oldest profession on earth.

Where as being a punter, or shagging a prossie, is fairly common and can be brushed of as being a bit of a 'jack the lad' type.  How many guys who wouldn't dream of booking an escort in the UK have been on a stag doo to Amsterdam and visited one of the ladies of the red light district.

If Sandra from number 43 was found out to be a prossie then it would be hot gossip for weeks and she'd be labelled a hooker.  If Tam from number 47 was found out to get his end away with ladies of the night on occassion, might garner some gossip, but would quickly be forgotten.

Offline AnthG

In my honest opinion I think most prostitutes think they are too good and in a better class than punters.

And I think most punters think they are too good and in a better class than prostitutes.

I am not sure which is right. But I do think prostitutes need to lower their expectations. They are doing this job due to lack of options.

Offline philboi

In my honest opinion I think most prostitutes think they are too good and in a better class than punters.

And I think most punters think they are too good and in a better class than prostitutes.

I am not sure which is right. But I do think prostitutes need to lower their expectations. They are doing this job due to lack of options.

Well there's your answer:
If prostitutes do it due to lack of options, punters must be in a better class than prostitutes???

I'm not saying I agree with this analogy  :(

Offline tightfoot69

In my honest opinion I think most prostitutes think they are too good and in a better class than punters.


Very true.


Offline Marmalade

In my honest opinion I think most prostitutes think they are too good and in a better class than punters.

And I think most punters think they are too good and in a better class than prostitutes.

I am not sure which is right. But I do think prostitutes need to lower their expectations. They are doing this job due to lack of options.

One of Anth's more insightful posts.

You can despise someone with good reason and still be respectful and polite when you meet them. Heads of state do it all the time.

You can also separate it like this: despise a Nazi war criminal for what he did to your grandparents, but if you are sat on a desert island with him, try to relate to the person, not the criminal.

There is a biological distaste between prossies and punters that should be overridden for the sake of our civilised existence in a repressive society. Sex is an amazing, some would say even a sacred thing, an expression of deepest desire. Why would a woman allow herself to use it not as an expression of herself but simply for financial gain? A man (or woman) naturally wants to attract a partner or partners for the natural expression of sexual desire and attraction. Why would he pay someone to fake it? The answer to both questions is one of necessity. It is better to have a temporary release of desire, even an imperfect release, than suffer the psychological mangling of frustrated sexual need. It is better to pretend to oneself and another rather than starve.

Prostitution is a civilised exchange providing a stop gap solution in a very imperfect world. The fear of being 'outed' is part and parcel of the acknowledgement that one has found it necessary to indulge in a less than perfect solution. Indeed, the tribulations of modern society will often have made it the least imperfect of all possible solutions in any individual case. The acceptance of this, and civilised accord between prossies and punters is simple acknowledgment of such a state of affairs.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2013, 10:45:10 PM by Marmalade »

Curious6705

One of Anth's more insightful posts.

You can despise someone with good reason and still be respectful and polite when you meet them. Heads of state do it all the time.

You can also separate it like this: despise a Nazi war criminal for what he did to your grandparents, but if you are sat on a desert island with him, try to relate to the person, not the criminal.

There is a biological distaste between prossies and punters that should be overridden for the sake of our civilised existence in a repressive society. Sex is an amazing, some would say even a sacred thing, an expression of deepest desire. Why would a woman allow herself to use it not as an expression of herself but simply for financial gain? A man (or woman) naturally wants to attract a partner or partners for the natural expression of sexual desire and attraction. Why would he pay someone to fake it? The answer to both questions is one of necessity. It is better to have a temporary release of desire, even an imperfect release, than suffer the psychological mangling of frustrated sexual need. It is better to pretend to oneself and another rather than starve.

Prostitution is a civilised exchange providing a stop gap solution in a very imperfect world. The fear of being 'outed' is part and parcel of the acknowledgement that one has found it necessary to indulge in a less than perfect solution. Indeed, the tribulations of modern society will often have made it the least imperfect of all possible solutions in any individual case. The acceptance of this, and civilised accord between prossies and punters is simple acknowledgment of such a state of affairs.

It's more the case that we are biological machines evolved beyond our origins. Sex as a sacred thing is at the cornerstone of many religions and like them the idea is an anachronism. Atop the biological machine we inhabit sits a mind which requires of the machine only that it not interfere unduly with its functioning. Sex is a great mechanism for keeping both happy. Vital for the survival of the species, of course, but that function is only invoked a few times, if at all, during the course of a lifetime.
 

Offline Marmalade

It's more the case that we are biological machines evolved beyond our origins. Sex as a sacred thing is at the cornerstone of many religions and like them the idea is an anachronism. Atop the biological machine we inhabit sits a mind which requires of the machine only that it not interfere unduly with its functioning. Sex is a great mechanism for keeping both happy. Vital for the survival of the species, of course, but that function is only invoked a few times, if at all, during the course of a lifetime.

Without going into it too deeply, which would be deeply boring, I would be so bold as to point out I infer no religious sense, even though many religions would or have. I mean it in a purely secular sense. As in something that is to an extent important above or else. It's a deep need, something fairly high on a Maslow scale, and more exotic than food or shelter. So much so that you spend a considerable amount of your UK Pound to get it. My cock! It may not be touched by thee, O profane male specimen, but might be open to offers from heavenly and adoring pussies.
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« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 02:58:06 AM by Marmalade »

Offline CatBBW

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Prostitute. Because everyone knows a man doesn't want sex outside of a relationship unless tempted by a dirty Jezebel. And once he's tempted, he CAN'T help his actions, it's all the fault of the nasty lady who dragged him into paying for her wares. HE can't help his erection, SHE shouldn't be encouraging it...but she does, and leads him astray.

PLUS women are generally seen as more "dirty" because they RECEIVE. Women have dirty holes, the more men they have, the dirtier their hole is, hence the "dirty slag" labels. Yet promiscuous men can't be slags or sluts in our society.

So while a punter could have problems if their wife/family finds out (while their friends/other men are secretly slapping them on the back OR they're being asked why they didn't just go pick up randoms in the local nightclub) , a prozzie is dirty, she charges to accept cock in her dirty hole, she's worse than a slut because a slut doesn't charge...
« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 03:41:47 AM by Catherine The Great »

Offline Marmalade

Prostitute. Because everyone knows a man doesn't want sex outside of a relationship unless tempted by a dirty Jezebel. And once he's tempted, he CAN'T help his actions, it's all the fault of the nasty lady who dragged him into paying for her wares. HE can't help his erection, SHE shouldn't be encouraging it...but she does, and leads him astray.

PLUS women are generally seen as more "dirty" because they RECEIVE. Women have dirty holes, the more men they have, the dirtier their hole is, hence the "dirty slag" labels. Yet promiscuous men can't be slags or sluts in our society.

So while a punter could have problems if their wife/family finds out (while their friends/other men are secretly slapping them on the back OR they're being asked why they didn't just go pick up randoms in the local nightclub) , a prozzie is dirty, she charges to accept cock in her dirty hole, she's worse than a slut because a slut doesn't charge...

Well. Unless she does a Brooke Magnanti I suppose. Anything to get people to see her as a person again rather than a vehicle for her sexual habits. But judging from Wayne Rooney's reception in Brazil you can get away with most things if you're famous enough for something else. Guess you'll just have to do a PhD Catherine. Or failing that, at least a wet wipe or two.

And as women have a penchant for martyrdom anyway I see no reason not to let them win the "we have it worst" competition.

Curious6705

Without going into it too deeply, which would be deeply boring, I would be so bold as to point out I infer no religious sense, even though many religions would or have. I mean it in a purely secular sense. As in something that is to an extent important above or else. It's a deep need, something fairly high on a Maslow scale, and more exotic than food or shelter. So much so that you spend a considerable amount of your UK Pound to get it. My cock! It may not be touched by thee, O profane male specimen, but might be open to offers from heavenly and adoring pussies.
 :lol:
 :kissgirl:
  ;)

Well - yes - after posting I wondered why I had - a bit deep for a punting forum!  :hi:

Motivation was I remember hearing Harman on the radio as she was beginning her campaign spouting that in this day and age it's about time sex for money was outlawed, and thinking, "no you silly cow, you've got it backwards - in this day and age it's about time we stopped thinking there is, in principle, anything wrong with sex for money". Misplaced "unified" ideologies are a plague upon civilisation whether it's religions or extreme feminism. Even the likes of Maslow makes me uneasy.  ;)


I tell you which i prefer.

I dropped a total internet/security clanger the other week.

My default browser is ie which I hadn't used for punting related surfs for ages.

My chrome browser has to be booted seperately and I destroy the history after each session.

Her indoors jumped on my netbook to go on Barclays for some reason.

As she was typing www.....,   into the top box a series of previously enjoyed www....'s appeared in the drop down box.  Luckily the only dubious www. was UKpunting.com

She was far to focused on doing what she was doing (MONEY) to notice, but my instant shit my pants reaction would have been to palm it off as a betting site.

If it had appeared as UKprossiefuckers.com she may have noticed it and i could have had issues :thumbsdown:


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