What am I doing wrong?

[Shy.Guy]

I am about to leave myself open to having the piss taken out of me for some if not all of the things I say here but I am happy to provide some light entertainment for you guys in return for some help!

I am a relative new comer to the scene and considered trying an escort for many years but never actually gone ahead and booked – apologies to those who took the time and effort to reply to query's previously for backing out despite their help.

I am attending a conference at the NEC for 3 nights at the end of March staying at the Hilton nearby and have made numerous attempts to contact escorts for a 2 hour outcall via email as well as place a reverse booking over the past few weeks.

I have either had emails not responded to, or bids on my reverse booking offer from people who either don't match the description requested or are many miles away from the NEC.

I have been extremely clear about who I am and what I am looking for on emails and on the reverse booking.

I am looking for a full but gentle GFE from someone who is 5' 3” or below with long dark hair and a light to medium tan of any ethnicity, yes - fussy, I know.

I have even given an honest description of myself -

Average looking slim / average build 5' 3” British born and raised but of Indian heritage. Mild mannered and easy going but relatively inexperienced in the bedroom with only 5 medium term partners who were all very conservative. - Let the piss taking begin.

I am potentially interested in a booking every evening but despite my effort I have yet to find anyone with 4 weeks to go.

What am I doing wrong?

[Ming]

Ok, I am going to avoid taking the micky since this seems to be a genuine appeal for help.

Few questions:

I take it you don't have any AW feedback? - This could be why you are not getting an enthusiastic response.

How much are you willing to pay?

What services are you after?

What age, give or take are you looking for.

Any flexibility on things such as hair colour?

That's just for starters.

Ming 

[PepeMAGA]

Few thoughts from me in addition to what Ming said :
Not all girls will see Indian guys,  check the girls FAQs.
Specifying the height of the girl will also drop the selection you have to play with.
Also as Ming says they might be apprehensive due to lack of feedback,  particularly in outcalls.
I would suggest trying a few incalls if you can to build up your feedback.

[vw]

my impression is a punter who describes himself to a prossie does himself no favours.  It doesn't matter what you look like, prossies may get wrong idea that you are looking for more.

Anyway what happened to the good old fashioned telephone to make a booking.  Fool proof and instant decision.

[baranabus96]

Hiya, I don't know much about the escorts around Birmingham (assuming that's the NEC you are referring to).

Based on what you've said i'm guessing you don't have any feedback on AW , that's generally a turnoff for WG's and they will just assume you are a fantasist or time-waster.

I can suggest three things:

1) check the UKE west midlands section for (ads specifically) and see if there is anyone there that fits what you are after if you can't find anyone on AW. You can then mention seeing that they are on tour there or whatever the situation is and that will make you more credible by itself.

2) loosen your requirements, to put it bluntly a fuck is a fuck. I also like GFE's but if I only booked escorts i'd prefer dating to make it an authentic GFE then I would need to search for busty, athletic redheads with grey eyes and a love of stir fries. You never know what you will find if you widen your parameters.

3) with the exception of the fact that you've never seen an escort and your heritage (if they mention being particular about who they see) don't bother talking that much about yourself in your emails unless the info is requested, save that for the meet.

[Flunt]

I admire your courage for a first time effort to jump in with a two hour booking in a hotel but have you considered booking an incall closer to home?

In the next week or two why not try to get a couple of bookings on AW that give you some feedback and experience? You might find punting is not for you or you could find someone who would join you for your conference...

[Taylor2441]

I don't think you are doing much wrong.

The NEC can become a very busy place during trade shows, and there will be a few in the position you are in.  I recall trying to arrange an appointment with a lady on a Wednesday night to be advised from both AW and a couple of agencies that there wasn't the availability.

Have you thought about getting on the train from Birmingham International to the centre, I am sure you will be more successful.

[Wolverhampton1990]

Have you thought about getting on the train from Birmingham International to the centre, I am sure you will be more successful.

I was going to suggest the same thing. I know you said you wanted an outcall but if you did feel like trying an incall then an off peak return from Birmingham international will only cost you a couple of quid and have you in new street in about 20 minutes, which you will find is walking distance to many of the well reviewed girls on here. They'll probably be easier to arrange and cost less based on most girls outcall charges.

[Taylor2441]

Also, have you checked that your hotel will allow "visitors"?

[alpharius]

No feedback, outcall and Indian: you just aren't going to get the attention. Best bet is closer to the time is to call rather than AW message or get train into city centre for incall, you'll have much better selection and prices.

Alpharius 

[Taylor2441]

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[RNinePunter]

Few points from the other guys, on top of the fact that you are looking for March.

I'd recommend just short-listing very well rated girls and when you are 1-2 weeks ETA, contact all of them until you have a slot.

A lot of the girls are independent and won't really be interested in trying to manage their schedule for more than a month ahead, purely because they are seeing clients and planning things closer to them at this moment.

P.S. no feedback sort of sucks, try calling them directly if all else fails and just say you are new to the whole thing and you found her ad' and wanted to see her.

[Taylor2441]

I think I'm at the same conference.  Not staying as, I live local to the event.

Drop me a PM.

[YoungBrum]

In addition to what's already been said, its unlikely you'll get many bids with so much time until the event. Between now and then, visit an escort and get some feedback. If you like her, see if she'll do an outcall.

I'd consider re-doing your RB with a few days left. Worst thing that happens is you get nobody that strikes your fancy. Again, visit an escort for an in all between now and the conference. Maybe she'll be free on the day? Or if not, do an "available today" search on the day

[Bock]

I'd keep it simple.

From the NEC into the city is like 20 or so mins after the rush hour. There are loads of quality girls around China town, off broad street and in the jewellery quarter. All can be walked in around 20mins.

So make an arrangement with a girl, factor in a plan b / c. Get the train from the NEC into town, walk to where you need to go 5 to 10 mins China town, 15 or so mind broad street, 20 mins jewellery quarter. Google map the area, so you know roughly where you're going.

Once done, Uber back to where you're stopping, if anyone questions, then you just met up with someone in town for a chat up.

The travel costs can be deducted from the Outcall vs Incall costs.

Finally, as others have said, make sure you read the small print re girls not seeing certain races, creeds, colours but don't be too up front either.

Enjoy, be safe and be respectful.

[Diehard]

Had the same problem in Manchester and London so it's not Birmingham confined.

Hookers are unreliable it's that simple. Very few decent slim young English girls left now on aw, the ones that are there tend to have serious problems managing a diary.

OP would be better off joining SA if the tales told here are to be believed as with that much notice he is likely to get an overnighter pretty easily.

[Grufalo]

Wouldn't worry about RB reply back from SP's who live miles away. I've had a few travel +1 hour one way for a 2 hour booking. There are a few SP's who do out calls only to Man/EMids/BHX airport hotels in the evenings as they work full time during the day. What the SP's are trying to avoid is timewasters so if you really fancying seeing one with excellent feedback you could always suggest a deposit given your lack off feedback. Failing that as others have suggested a few incalls between now and then and I would only advertise a RB  a week before the actual meet.

[Shy.Guy]

Thank you all for your restraint – I was expecting to be hammered with jokes and piss takes!


I really appreciate everyone's responses and will reply to each individually as when I get a moment spare over the next day or so.

[Shy.Guy]

Ok, I am going to avoid taking the micky since this seems to be a genuine appeal for help.

Few questions:

I take it you don't have any AW feedback? - This could be why you are not getting an enthusiastic response.

How much are you willing to pay?

What services are you after?

What age, give or take are you looking for.

Any flexibility on things such as hair colour?

That's just for starters.


Hi Ming & thanks for replying

I have no feedback as I am a 1st timer.

In terms of services it would simply be Kissing and protected sex. Vanilla I know but I'm a pretty boring fella.

Age wise I don't want anyone too young – 27 to 40 would be ideal

Happy to be flexible with the hair colour!

As a man with a wealth of knowledge and experience - & I mean that with total respect, do you have any suggestions of someone you think would be willing and suitable?

[baranabus96]

Thank you all for your restraint – I was expecting to be hammered with jokes and piss takes!


I really appreciate everyone's responses and will reply to each individually as when I get a moment spare over the next day or so.

You only get hammered with jokes and piss takes if you deserve it. You seem genuine and haven't really said anything too suspicious, we've all been first time punters before and a lot of us probably made the same mistakes you have starting out.

I myself was very fluffy (emotionally attached/inclined) at the start and let myself be messed around a bit, best way to learn is to hear from other punters and let the petty stuff go.

[Shy.Guy]

Few thoughts from me in addition to what Ming said :
Not all girls will see Indian guys,  check the girls FAQs.
Specifying the height of the girl will also drop the selection you have to play with.
Also as Ming says they might be apprehensive due to lack of feedback,  particularly in outcalls.
I would suggest trying a few incalls if you can to build up your feedback.

Hi PepeMAGA,

Thanks for your responses.

I knew from the outset that my ethnicity will limit my choice and I really don't have an issue with that, but the people I did contact made no reference to this in their profile some even went as far as stating that they see all races.

I would never contact anyone who made it clear they did not want to see Indians. However nobody I saw specifically said anything about those of an Indian background.

One did say she would not see Pakistani men and I contacted her to see if this extended to Indians as well but she said she does see Indian men but was unavailable that weekend.

I have neither time or the funds to build up my feedback. In fact I rarely get the opportunity to do this unless I am away on a conference as I feel nervous doing this in my hometown.

With regard to trying Incalls in Birmingham City Centre it is something I considered and will do if I cant find someone available to do an outcall closer to the time but i'd prefer to pay the extra and arrange an outcall.

[Shy.Guy]

my impression is a punter who describes himself to a prossie does himself no favours.  It doesn't matter what you look like, prossies may get wrong idea that you are looking for more.

Anyway what happened to the good old fashioned telephone to make a booking.  Fool proof and instant decision.

Hi Virtualwaster - thanks for taking the time to respond.

I had considered what said and I agree that I was providing more information than would normally be expected. I did this to avoid someone agreeing to see me then providing a poor service because they didn't like what they saw.

I didn't however consider the point you raised about looking for something more though.

I did try and make direct contact with a telephone number when one was available but nobody answered or returned my call.

[Shy.Guy]

Hiya, I don't know much about the escorts around Birmingham (assuming that's the NEC you are referring to).

Based on what you've said i'm guessing you don't have any feedback on AW , that's generally a turnoff for WG's and they will just assume you are a fantasist or time-waster.

I can suggest three things:

1) check the UKE west midlands section for (ads specifically) and see if there is anyone there that fits what you are after if you can't find anyone on AW. You can then mention seeing that they are on tour there or whatever the situation is and that will make you more credible by itself.

2) loosen your requirements, to put it bluntly a fuck is a fuck. I also like GFE's but if I only booked escorts i'd prefer dating to make it an authentic GFE then I would need to search for busty, athletic redheads with grey eyes and a love of stir fries. You never know what you will find if you widen your parameters.

3) with the exception of the fact that you've never seen an escort and your heritage (if they mention being particular about who they see) don't bother talking that much about yourself in your emails unless the info is requested, save that for the meet.

Hi Baranabus96,

I will look into UKE and take on the advise you have offered.

Thanks again.

[Shy.Guy]

I admire your courage for a first time effort to jump in with a two hour booking in a hotel but have you considered booking an incall closer to home?

In the next week or two why not try to get a couple of bookings on AW that give you some feedback and experience? You might find punting is not for you or you could find someone who would join you for your conference...

Flunt - thanks for your post.

You give me too much credit! I have no courage whatsoever. I will need 2 hours just settle me down because I know I will be a nervous wreck!

[Shy.Guy]

I don't think you are doing much wrong.

The NEC can become a very busy place during trade shows, and there will be a few in the position you are in.  I recall trying to arrange an appointment with a lady on a Wednesday night to be advised from both AW and a couple of agencies that there wasn't the availability.

Have you thought about getting on the train from Birmingham International to the centre, I am sure you will be more successful.

Hi Taylor2441 - I appreciate your reply.

As mentioned I prefer an outcall but will go for an incall closer to the time if  need be.

I have stayed in the hotel before and its easy for people to come and go.

Thanks for the link – how reliable is this agency and are the girls relatively close their photoshopped images?

Unfortunately the system wont allow me to PM anyone. I am going to the Optrafair though.

[Shy.Guy]

I was going to suggest the same thing. I know you said you wanted an outcall but if you did feel like trying an incall then an off peak return from Birmingham international will only cost you a couple of quid and have you in new street in about 20 minutes, which you will find is walking distance to many of the well reviewed girls on here. They'll probably be easier to arrange and cost less based on most girls outcall charges.

Hello Wolverhampton1990

Thanks for the info and I will take this onboard closer to the time if I cant find an outcall.

[Shy.Guy]

No feedback, outcall and Indian: you just aren't going to get the attention. Best bet is closer to the time is to call rather than AW message or get train into city centre for incall, you'll have much better selection and prices.

Alpharius 

Hi Alpharius

You know how to paint a bleak picture!!

But I do agree this is not the best position to be in but it it is what it is.

Thanks for the advise mate.

[Shy.Guy]

Few points from the other guys, on top of the fact that you are looking for March.

I'd recommend just short-listing very well rated girls and when you are 1-2 weeks ETA, contact all of them until you have a slot.

A lot of the girls are independent and won't really be interested in trying to manage their schedule for more than a month ahead, purely because they are seeing clients and planning things closer to them at this moment.

P.S. no feedback sort of sucks, try calling them directly if all else fails and just say you are new to the whole thing and you found her ad' and wanted to see her.

Hi G-Raw

 I agree – I do suspect I am trying to arrange things a little earlier than WG's would normally be scheduling at this stage so I am hoping for a little more success as the date approaches.

Thanks for the advise.

[dicksplash09]

Hi
If you do want a visit to your room I'd suggest wait till you get your room number and ring a reputable agency from Birmingham. There's a few good ones . They will not take you too seriously until you are in your hotel and they will not commit until they have got your number. Good luck !

[Shy.Guy]

In addition to what's already been said, its unlikely you'll get many bids with so much time until the event. Between now and then, visit an escort and get some feedback. If you like her, see if she'll do an outcall.

I'd consider re-doing your RB with a few days left. Worst thing that happens is you get nobody that strikes your fancy. Again, visit an escort for an in all between now and the conference. Maybe she'll be free on the day? Or if not, do an "available today" search on the day

Hi Youngbrum,

Really appreciate your post - I will take on board what you have said - I do suspect I have started a little too early.

[Shy.Guy]

I'd keep it simple.

From the NEC into the city is like 20 or so mins after the rush hour. There are loads of quality girls around China town, off broad street and in the jewellery quarter. All can be walked in around 20mins.

So make an arrangement with a girl, factor in a plan b / c. Get the train from the NEC into town, walk to where you need to go 5 to 10 mins China town, 15 or so mind broad street, 20 mins jewellery quarter. Google map the area, so you know roughly where you're going.

Once done, Uber back to where you're stopping, if anyone questions, then you just met up with someone in town for a chat up.

The travel costs can be deducted from the Outcall vs Incall costs.

Finally, as others have said, make sure you read the small print re girls not seeing certain races, creeds, colours but don't be too up front either.

Enjoy, be safe and be respectful.

Hi Bock,

Thanks for the advise. Perhaps I am over complicating things which has lead to a lack of response. As I don't do this a lot (or rather ever) the cost of the meeting is not the prime consideration but i will consider an incall closer to the time if i have no success.

Thanks again.

[RNinePunter]

Hi Bock,

Thanks for the advise. Perhaps I am over complicating things which has lead to a lack of response. As I don't do this a lot (or rather ever) the cost of the meeting is not the prime consideration but i will consider an incall closer to the time if i have no success.

Thanks again.

Just tell them when you are in time, the date and time you are looking for a meeting and ask if they are available. I've gotten responses on my correspondence I sent regarding next month but then I suppose it's probably because of my profile rating and the individual escort. Just out of interest, who have you short listed?

[Shy.Guy]

Had the same problem in Manchester and London so it's not Birmingham confined.

Hookers are unreliable it's that simple. Very few decent slim young English girls left now on aw, the ones that are there tend to have serious problems managing a diary.

OP would be better off joining SA if the tales told here are to be believed as with that much notice he is likely to get an overnighter pretty easily.

Evening Diehard,

Nice to hear I am not alone with my experience.

Excuse my ignorance but what is "SA"?

[RNinePunter]

Evening Diehard,

Nice to hear I am not alone with my experience.

Excuse my ignorance but what is "SA"?

Seeking Arrangement, a site for sugar daddies and sugar babies. It's full of weirdos from my own experience (no offence to anyone). 

[Shy.Guy]

Wouldn't worry about RB reply back from SP's who live miles away. I've had a few travel +1 hour one way for a 2 hour booking. There are a few SP's who do out calls only to Man/EMids/BHX airport hotels in the evenings as they work full time during the day. What the SP's are trying to avoid is timewasters so if you really fancying seeing one with excellent feedback you could always suggest a deposit given your lack off feedback. Failing that as others have suggested a few incalls between now and then and I would only advertise a RB  a week before the actual meet.

Hi Grufalo,

Those are all fair points and I would be happy to leave a deposit for assurance. What is an "SP"?

[Shy.Guy]

You only get hammered with jokes and piss takes if you deserve it. You seem genuine and haven't really said anything too suspicious, we've all been first time punters before and a lot of us probably made the same mistakes you have starting out.

I myself was very fluffy (emotionally attached/inclined) at the start and let myself be messed around a bit, best way to learn is to hear from other punters and let the petty stuff go.

Hi Mate,

Thanks for the assurances - I thought you might all of gone soft!

[Shy.Guy]

Hi
If you do want a visit to your room I'd suggest wait till you get your room number and ring a reputable agency from Birmingham. There's a few good ones . They will not take you too seriously until you are in your hotel and they will not commit until they have got your number. Good luck !

Hi Dicksplash09

Thanks for the tip. I am always unsure about the agency route because of the photoshopped images and switching. Are there any agencies you would recommend from personal experience?

[Ming]

I think in your position I would try and book a well reviewed young woman, who you can be confident will provide a good service and, be friendly to a first timer.

My suggestion would be: External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

She is a little younger than you have specified, but she is very experienced and provides a very loving Girlfriend type experience, I think she would be ideal for a first experience. She has lots of reviews on UKP you can read up on.

The difficulties will be that she is very popular and you will need to convince her that as a person with no feedback that you are genuine, you may have to concede an incall as I think very few women will outcall someone with no feedback?

I suggest that you make contact with her on AW (she now specifies this on her booking tab) and use a catchy headline in your email.
Assuming you don't mind divulging your UKP nickname? Then direct her to this thread as proof of your sincerity...... This may seem a little long winded but in your circumstances may be the best route to follow.

I wish you luck on your first step into the grey world of paid pleasure.

Ming 

[RNinePunter]

I think in your position I would try and book a well reviewed young woman, who you can be confident will provide a good service and, be friendly to a first timer.

My suggestion would be: External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

She is a little younger than you have specified, but she is very experienced and provides a very loving Girlfriend type experience, I think she would be ideal for a first experience. She has lots of reviews on UKP you can read up on.

The difficulties will be that she is very popular and you will need to convince her that as a person with no feedback that you are genuine, you may have to concede an incall as I think very few women will outcall someone with no feedback?

I suggest that you make contact with her on AW (she now specifies this on her booking tab) and use a catchy headline in your email.
Assuming you don't mind divulging your UKP nickname? Then direct her to this thread as proof of your sincerity...... This may seem a little long winded but in your circumstances may be the best route to follow.

I wish you luck on your first step into the grey world of paid pleasure.

Ming 

Ming doin' work. 

[baranabus96]

+ 1 for what Ming said about first timers, my first was with redhairedcutie and it was an incall as well as with a 40 quid online as an assurance I was genuine.

[Dodo]

+ 1 for what Ming said about first timers, my first was with redhairedcutie and it was an incall as well as with a 40 quid online as an assurance I was genuine.

Wouldn't disagree with Mings recommendation you also would not go far wrong with British Lisa, a tad older, 30ish but a great girl to have a gfe with.

[Flunt]

Flunt - thanks for your post.

You give me too much credit! I have no courage whatsoever. I will need 2 hours just settle me down because I know I will be a nervous wreck!

I wonder what sort of escort experience you are looking for? If you're looking to spend an evening with a pro$$ie in the hope of achieving some sort of "Pretty Woman" type encounter then it is going to cost you a few quid! Most punters meet up with their desired companion for an hour of naked passion with less talking and more intimate memories...

If you want an evening with a pro$$ie then now is a good time to put your RB on AW and explain what you want. Something social with meal and drinks followed by a couple of hours private time, for that you might expect to pay £300+? If you put the RB up now you might be able to chat to a couple of your preferences and find someone suitable.

The big risk for you is that you would be vulnerable to being ripped off, if you part with the cash early on and she disappears for a ciggie never to be seen again. The risk for the pro$$ie, with you having no feedback, is her ending up with a wasted night which will lead to some reluctance from genuine bidders.

As I mentioned earlier, you should look for some experience before you take a massive and expensive leap in the dark.

SA might be a better option, depending on what you want, how much of nice guy you are, how much free time you have and how much bullshit you can give and take?

[baranabus96]

I wonder what sort of escort experience you are looking for? If you're looking to spend an evening with a pro$$ie in the hope of achieving some sort of "Pretty Woman" type encounter then it is going to cost you a few quid! Most punters meet up with their desired companion for an hour of naked passion with less talking and more intimate memories...

If you want an evening with a pro$$ie then now is a good time to put your RB on AW and explain what you want. Something social with meal and drinks followed by a couple of hours private time, for that you might expect to pay £300+? If you put the RB up now you might be able to chat to a couple of your preferences and find someone suitable.

The big risk for you is that you would be vulnerable to being ripped off, if you part with the cash early on and she disappears for a ciggie never to be seen again. The risk for the pro$$ie, with you having no feedback, is her ending up with a wasted night which will lead to some reluctance from genuine bidders.

As I mentioned earlier, you should look for some experience before you take a massive and expensive leap in the dark.

SA might be a better option, depending on what you want, how much of nice guy you are, how much free time you have and how much bullshit you can give and take?

I wouldn't advise that at all for his first booking, the WG's will assume he's a fantasist or troll with his 0 feedback looking for a several hour long booking.

[Stapler]

Here's one for you. Start messaging.

External Link/Members Only

[Stapler]

No need to look any further Miv.

You are a newbie
This girl is a newbie :
External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only -

You can be newbies together!
Plus she is a scouser - they will see anybody! 




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[Flunt]

I wouldn't advise that at all for his first booking, the WG's will assume he's a fantasist or troll with his 0 feedback looking for a several hour long booking.

I wouldn't recommend it to a seasoned punter, just replying to a reply.

[PepeMAGA]

No need to look any further Miv.

You are a newbie
This girl is a newbie :
External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only -

You can be newbies together!
Plus she is a scouser - they will see anybody! 




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Shame about the price

[RNinePunter]

No need to look any further Miv.

You are a newbie
This girl is a newbie :
External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only -

You can be newbies together!
Plus she is a scouser - they will see anybody! 




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Are you Sergei by any chance? 

[Stapler]

Are you Sergei by any chance? 

You joined in Nov 2013. We have waited so long for that gem! 

[RNinePunter]

You joined in Nov 2013. We have waited so long for that gem! 

Just saying my friend...