Author Topic: Carmo_Lis, Hackney, London - extremely rude and unprofessional  (Read 5565 times)


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Offline HomerC

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Her name at the time was Carmo Lis.

This was a very strange experience.

⦁ I made a 30 min booking for £100.
⦁ I asked for the postcode.
⦁ She provided.
⦁ I put this (temporarily) into my Contacts on my MacBook, which syncs with my iPhone, instantly and automatically.
⦁ This was so that I could use google maps on my iPhone and just type in her name.. (no need to even copy and paste her post code).
⦁ Unbeknownst to me at the time, she'd accidentally typed in a capital o (”O") in place of a zero. I was led to the wrong end of a massive road.


⦁ My punting "phone" is a Nokia E100. (It can only to texts and calls - no camera, no apps..)
⦁ I've heard about muggers on mopeds. I figured if they nabbed my Nokia I wouldn't care as much.



Immediately Before I left home
⦁ I gave her my exact route. I said I'd be going on the {123} bus route and alighting at a {named bus stop}.
⦁ (Looking back, it's weird that at that point she didn't say "don't go there, that's miles away!")


Two different phone numbers
⦁ She was also confused that I had two different phone numbers.
⦁ When I made the booking using AW it sent her my 2012 number, a Vodafone PAYG Sim, which had gone dead because of disuse. (I have no way of retrieving that number — it's dead forever)


Hackney Hangups
⦁ When i arrived, I was extremely nervous because it was a strange part of Hackney.
⦁ I don't care that it's apparently gentrified. Feral urban youths don't give a fuck about house prices; they aren't going to be less violent. It's of no comfort to me. I could still get stabbed.


I arrive in E5
⦁ I arrived on time. I phoned Carmo Lis and texted her my precise location: "I'm on the corner of X and Y street". We spoke in the phone and she said she would "come and get me".
⦁ At that point I thought I was very close. I was relieved that she was coming to me as I suck at maps and directions.
⦁ To avoid the appearance of loitering, I walked down "Y street", and circled around the block.
⦁ No sign of her at all :(


Still waiting
⦁ My fingers were so cold that I was finding it hard to type texts -- it physically hurt to press buttons.  (I also had the added challenge of using T9 text for the first time in years.)

⦁ We subsequently spoke in the phone a couple of times. She asked me what I could see. I replied:  "a park?", ”a phone box", "a bus stop", "tennis courts? ".

⦁ I could see no distinct brands or landmarks — it was just houses, flats and greenery.

⦁ As I walked around, I kept my eyes peeled for a food shop with a foreign name. She had mentioned it was close to the meeting point.

⦁ I tried to get her to give me the (approximate) door number. I was exasperated. I had been walking around and around. Obviously I didn't mean the precise door number — I know the drill — but in the absence of landmarks I needed something to aim for.

Scolding
Suddenly, after endless pacing — out of the blue —she unleashed a diatribe on me. I was bewildered because I did not see it coming! It crossed the line into abusive. I was aghast ! .


Attempt to reconcile
⦁ I could barely believe what had just happened.
⦁ I pulled out my iPhone and used google maps to find the aforementioned food place with the foreign name. Aha! Found it. But it was bit of a trek.
⦁ I'm a fast walker but it still took me about 15 mins. When I got there I tried one last time. It was like look, look, I'm here ! But she was having none of it, she was convinced that I was a clown wasting her time.
⦁ I thought she'd later apologise and just say she was having a bad day or something. But instead she told me not to contact her again. What choice did I have but to leave her negative feedback on AW? I'm not going to lie.

Her response to my negative feedback on AW

She sent me a PM with a very sneering, ominous message which I found very callous. This is her message verbatim :

200 positive feedback against you? Good luck my friend. You will need it. I am reporting you to every sex worker forum, Ugly Mugs and here.

Next time be careful with whom you play with!

⦁ What. The. Hell.
⦁ What does this even mean? I'm being blacklisted? That's the most cryptic, ominous message.
⦁ (I saw a fit Hungarian bird a few days later - I found her on AW, but I booked by phone instead of online, due to blacklisting fears.)
⦁ The whole time I'd been nothing but polite.
⦁ You'd think she'd take some constructive criticism on the chin. To me it seems like a massive overreaction.
⦁ It makes a mockery of the AW feedback system if people are deterred from saying what they really think.


It seems I am alone

I want to stress that it seems I'm the only person to have ever write anything remotely negative about her! By all accounts she is very highly regarded.
⦁ The purpose of my negative report here and on AW is simply to share my experience. It's just one data point. It's not to dissuade anyone.


About me — for context
    ⦁ I'm a very infrequent "punter". I did my first for AW in 2012. On average I've done about 1 a year.
    ⦁ I only ever see independents. Just my preference.
    ⦁ I didn't realise such detailed reviews even existed until I stumbled across this website, a few days ago. The wiki here is expansive. Very useful!



Offline peter purves

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Oh dear, what a night-mare!! 

Sorry to hear  :( :dash:
« Last Edit: January 27, 2017, 11:50:58 pm by peter purves »
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Offline NuruGuru

Sounds like a waste of a day, but you're partly to blame for this to be fair.

If you'd just used your iPhone and actually went to the location you were meant to be in, you would have been collected and none of this would have happened.

I'm usually on the punters side with things, but I see it from the WG's point of view, she gave you a postcode and you were 15 minutes away saying you were there? No wonder she thought you were messing her about.

Next time, if you know you're going into Hackney or other places where "urban youth" (or to translate) "non white teenagers" are, get over the fear you think they might rob you.

You were not professional in getting to the location so you can't expect professionalism on her part either.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2017, 01:29:11 am by NuruGuru »

Offline Bassman

What were you asking her in the other 36 emails you sent lol.

This is a balls up initiated by her error. But dude, put in the postcode manually. No need to go all tech and sync up laptops etc lol. Type it in, search, close google maps app. It'll still be in the history later when you are in the area.

AW feedback is extremely easy to abuse. In general though if a WG has a large number of positive feedback then there is a reason for it.

People that can't own up to their mistakes really bother me. Shame she could not. Then the diatribe after... not good.

Sorry you had a shitty punt. Onwards and upwards man.

Offline Roth

Trouble is that despite clever IT systems if shit goes in then usually shit comes out again. :rolleyes:

Also you maybe wanna change the mobile number in you AW account to your current punting one.

Better luck next time. :hi:

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Having read your 3 reviews it seems you
Have a problem  with ethnic  groups all 3 reviews mention this and these places are all dangerous  at night

Offline Bassman

Having read your 3 reviews it seems you
Have a problem  with ethnic  groups all 3 reviews mention this and these places are all dangerous  at night

You're right. Hackney is far from the 'hood' it used to be. But I guess if you have a 'fear' then no matter where you go you'll find something/one/people to be wary of.

There aren't many places more hood then where I grew up. Never been mugged attacked or anything. I don't look or dress 'hood' but I know my way around the hood life well.

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Offline HomerC

What were you asking her in the other 36 emails you sent lol.

This is a balls up initiated by her error. But dude, put in the postcode manually. No need to go all tech and sync up laptops etc lol. Type it in, search, close google maps app. It'll still be in the history later when you are in the area.

AW feedback is extremely easy to abuse. In general though if a WG has a large number of positive feedback then there is a reason for it.

People that can't own up to their mistakes really bother me. Shame she could not. Then the diatribe after... not good.

Sorry you had a shitty punt. Onwards and upwards man.


This is the weird thing. I WAS talking to someone called Veronica who didn't do in calls. I looked back through my inbox and it turns out this was the same person! She changed her handle. I was discussing possibly arranging an outcall with Veronica in euston but aborted the idea.

When viewing adult work on a mobile device you're less likely to notice when someone changes their handle.

All these emails were back and forth - asking questions

Offline HomerC

I didn't mean urban youth as euphemism for black people - there are white gang members, too.

I would be uneasy in an inner city sink estate in blackpool.

In Leyton I was unnerved by people in Muslim garb, yes, but they turned out to be completely harmless. I think it's useful info for anyone who isn't accustomed to london.

Offline Honolulu

The Op was party to the negative.

Although the WG was rude, Op needs to reflect she likely lost money and patience with him and ends up with a blot on her feedback.

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Sounds like a waste of a day, but you're partly to blame for this to be fair.

If you'd just used your iPhone and actually went to the location you were meant to be in, you would have been collected and none of this would have happened.

You were not professional in getting to the location so you can't expect professionalism on her part either.

Nuru' seems to be suggesting you failed in your Mission Impossible

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Better luck next time !! :thumbsup:


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Offline Brazilian Martian

I didn't mean urban youth as euphemism for black people - there are white gang members, too.

I would be uneasy in an inner city sink estate in blackpool.

In Leyton I was unnerved by people in Muslim garb, yes, but they turned out to be completely harmless. I think it's useful info for anyone who isn't accustomed to london.

Maybe you should move to Cornwall and punt up there you come across as a nervous nelly.

Offline HomerC

The Op was party to the negative.

Although the WG was rude, Op needs to reflect she likely lost money and patience with him and ends up with a blot on her feedback.

I tried to explain what happened but she wasn't having any of it. AW feedback is there to give honest feedback. And mine is the only negative she's ever had, so other punters aren't going to be put off. If you went to buy a product on amazon and it had 200 5 ⭐️  reviews, and a single 1 ⭐️  review, it wouldn't put you off. It's clearly an anomaly.  I wasn't being vindictive.

Offline NuruGuru

Having read your 3 reviews it seems you
Have a problem  with ethnic  groups all 3 reviews mention this and these places are all dangerous  at night

Didn't bother reading the other 3 reviews but just did....

Really strange for OP to make a point about mosques and the type of people in the area which is completely irrelevant to the punt itself. Very strange. It's like racist tourettes, OP just can't help splurt something out about it.

Offline HomerC

Didn't bother reading the other 3 reviews but just did....

Really strange for OP to make a point about mosques and the type of people in the area which is completely irrelevant to the punt itself. Very strange. It's like racist tourettes, OP just can't help splurt something out about it.

I look like a Muslim if that's what you're getting at. (People of my race are often Muslim.) Some of them don't take kindly to apostates whereas others are totally chill.

Offline HomerC

I was thinking about what she meant by her ominous message.

200 positive feedback against you? Good luck my friend. You will need it. I am reporting you to every sex worker forum, Ugly Mugs and here.

Next time be careful with whom you play with!


I put my AW name in the search box at the Saafe forum  : External Link/Members Only

So I am now blacklisted.

She thinks I "pretended to get lost".    :wackogirl:
Pretended. To. Get. Lost. :dash:   :dash:

I googled "Ugly Mugs". It's a database of "dangerous individuals".  :scare:





Offline Brazilian Martian

I'm always normally on the punters side when it comes to problems with prossies. But this guy just seems fucking odd sending 36 messages from September untill Jan and then wanting to meet and getting lost, ever heard of Google maps but let me guess you were scared to take you phone out in Hackney  :hi:

She's added you to saafe as a timewaster and from reading your review you come across as a fantacist  :music:

Offline Roth

Sorry but 36 emails to arrange a meet is just fucking odd. :crazy: I'm no fluffy but this prossie needs a medal for not binning him after 5 emails not a negative review.. :hi:

The OP seems a total -

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Sorry but 36 emails to arrange a meet is just fucking odd. :crazy: I'm no fluffy but this prossie needs a medal for not binning him after 5 emails. :hi:

The OP seems a total -

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Offline HomerC

Fair enough.  I welcome criticism.
To give context : Half of those were with "Veronica", it was more like chat than email. If you can count one sentence as an email... I always have questions before I commit to a booking.
Then there was back and forth like "are you free on Tuesday". And she wrote back with her schedule. Put another way, she sent me 35 emails in that time.

Hey ho.


Offline HomerC

So AW don't allow people to withdraw feedback ?

What would your do now if you were me?

Shall I ask a mod to delete this thread ?

Offline Brazilian Martian

So AW don't allow people to withdraw feedback ?

What would your do now if you were me?

Shall I ask a mod to delete this thread ?

I would grow up and move on this thread is up now and I'm sure your happy with all the attention you seem to be attracing  :hi:

Offline HomerC

The meet suggestion was with Veronica, who didn't do in calls. I suspected she'd nicked someone else's photos.

Looking back, I suppose it does look odd.

Offline HomerC

Okay. I feel like a wally.
I respectfully request a moderator delete this thread - if possible. Please.

I regret using my real first name with her as that is now on that Saafe thread.

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So AW don't allow people to withdraw feedback ?

What would your do now if you were me?

Shall I ask a mod to delete this thread ?

There's nothing wrong with your negative feedback on AW and so many guys including myself have given a positive feedback even though they had a shitty experience.  You're a human being and wanted to meet her for a good time and she had a go at you.  If you genuinely wanted to get to her place and was having difficulty then the last thing you want is for someone to be rude to you.  The same thing happened to me once but the SP was very understanding (and cool about it) so we booked another time.

Two things strike me as odd the fact that you wanted to meet her in a public place so you could verify that she looked like her pics lol and that you still wanted to see her after she was rude to you. 

Next time do your research about the area on Google Maps before you do a booking.  You should never travel anywhere you don't feel safe.  Her "venue" or where you meet is part of the experience.

Offline HomerC

There's nothing wrong with your negative feedback on AW and so many guys including myself have given a positive feedback even though they had a shitty experience.  You're a human being and wanted to meet her for a good time and she had a go at you.  If you genuinely wanted to get to her place and was having difficulty then the last thing you want is for someone to be rude to you.  The same thing happened to me once but the SP was very understanding (and cool about it) so we booked another time.

Two things strike me as odd the fact that you wanted to meet her in a public place so you could verify that she looked like her pics lol and that you still wanted to see her after she was rude to you. 

Next time do your research about the area on Google Maps before you do a booking.  You should never travel anywhere you don't feel safe.  Her "venue" or where you meet is part of the experience.

I didn't clock that Carmo_Lis was Veronica Flame until much later. When you view peoples AW profiles on iPhone, the presentation is similar.

I still wanted to meet after the rudeness because she looks fit as fuck, and I was horny. I'm also a forgiving person with thick skin. I thought I could prove I was a genuine customer.  I was thinking with my dick.


Offline Honolulu

I've got pretty much lost on most of my half dozen meets. Ok - I know I'm a knob at navigation and reading maps.  I've been fortunate where I was late by 20 mins for one meet, she was understanding, and I felt terrible.

If she had a pop at me, I'd have accepted it as my fault.  Not write up a negative on Aw and then come on here to shit on her some more.

Glad your review backfired and lesson learnt I guess.

Move on mate. And best of luck with your next meet.

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Hilarious.

You cheeky bugger asking prossies to meet you in public!

Offline HomerC

Hilarious.

You cheeky bugger asking prossies to meet you in public!

lol it was an idea and I dropped it immediately after she (Veronica Flame) said no. i wondered if it was a bait and switch. There's such a difference between doing an incall punt which you can do on a whim, and hiring a hotel overnight.

I would have compensated her for a brief meet, at a place of her choosing, at a time of her choosing. £50 for a 5 min meet is not unreasonable.

When I went on to book Carmo Lis, she offered incall ... so there was no need.

I'm sceptical because it's so easy for a WG to use photos that are 5 or 10 years old. If you do in call you can easily back out. If you do out call, you're more inclined to go through with it.

Offline NuruGuru

I look like a Muslim if that's what you're getting at.

What on Earth? What does a muslim look like exactly? I'm guessing they all look the same and they're all identifiable by looks. Maybe you were a burka? I dunno.

Offline Mr_Shins

You are asking to withdraw the feedback and this topic because you think you were harsh and want to see her now and think that now you have done this she never will?
Probably she won't anyway - but if you really really want to then just create a new A/W account and hope she doesn't notice. You only have +3 feedback there anyway.


Offline HomerC

What on Earth? What does a muslim look like exactly? I'm guessing they all look the same and they're all identifiable by looks. Maybe you were a burka? I dunno.

I have brown skin. Of course people from any race can be Muslim. I'm only weary of sharia patrol types - External Link/Members Only - not regular Muslims. In my reviews for Carla and Kerol I was confirming the areas were safe. It was a positive thing and pertinent.

Offline NuruGuru

I have brown skin. Of course people from any race can be Muslim. I'm only weary of sharia patrol types - External Link/Members Only - not regular Muslims. In my reviews for Carla and Kerol I was confirming the areas were safe. It was a positive thing and pertinent.

WTF? because you have brown skin you think you look like a Muslim?

If you're weary of Sharia patrol types, I'll expect your comments to marginalise places where loads of Christians are in case of "Christian patrol types".
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I'm done. Your ignorance is on a level I could never amount to.

Offline HomerC

You are asking to withdraw the feedback and this topic because you think you were harsh and want to see her now and think that now you have done this she never will?
Probably she won't anyway - but if you really really want to then just create a new A/W account and hope she doesn't notice. You only have +3 feedback there anyway.

No, no,  I don't want to see her -  that ship has sailed.
Why remove this thread ? Is there any point in her having a "negative" against her name here?

Thanks to everyone who replied.

Offline Mr_Shins

No, no,  I don't want to see her -  that ship has sailed.
Why remove this thread ? Is there any point in her having a "negative" against her name here?

Thanks to everyone who replied.

I thought you were asking to have it removed. If we give negative reviews they stick. People have to weigh up yours and others and come to their own decisions. She has one other negative review on here plus a few positive ones, including mine.

With regards to your negative feedback on AdultWork, some WG may react to it and refuse to see you, others not. If it is having such a detrimental effect you can just start a new profile there. I only see +3 feedback for you, and a couple with some old "safe" ones you've visited before, and others who don't care about feedback can help you get those back.

Offline HomerC

WTF? because you have brown skin you think you look like a Muslim?

If you're weary of Sharia patrol types, I'll expect your comments to marginalise places where loads of Christians are in case of "Christian patrol types".
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I'm done. Your ignorance is on a level I could never amount to.

I didn't say that. Muslims can be of any race. In east London groups of men have hassled women for wearing short skirts etc. I could be hassled for not having a beard or going to prayers. But as I said, there was no issue at all in Leyton or anywhere I went

Offline NuruGuru

I didn't say that. Muslims can be of any race. In east London groups of men have hassled women for wearing short skirts etc. I could be hassled for not having a beard or going to prayers. But as I said, there was no issue at all in Leyton or anywhere I went

AS A BROWN PERSON YOU CAN BE HASSLED ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY....FOR BEING BROWN. why don't you make a point of that? No...you just decided on 3 occasions to targets muslims. Face it, you're an Islamaphobe. It's fine, there's many of you. Just don't make out you're doing some sort of social justice. For the record, I'm not muslim myself. I just hate prejudice of any kind.

Offline Turtle1

Like others, I tend to side with the punter. On this occasion it's the WG's who's more in the right.

1) don't try to be so tec savy. Just use google maps like a normal person.
2) if she gave a food shop name..... Then why didn't you google that place when you was standing around freezing.
3) the fact she's been patient with you with all of your emails kind of shows she's willing to try.
4) if you're so scared of urban youths then you should stop punting in places you assume is crawling with them  :dash:
5) I'm geussing she eventually lost her rag with you. I wouldn't blame her tbh.

As for Saafe, I wouldn't be too bothered about that. Just be cool and calm. The whole mugging thing? Well that doest happen these days. You need to get out this weird world where everyone wants to mug you.

Offline HomerC

I thought you were asking to have it removed. If we give negative reviews they stick. People have to weigh up yours and others and come to their own decisions. She has one other negative review on here plus a few positive ones, including mine.

With regards to your negative feedback on AdultWork, some WG may react to it and refuse to see you, others not. If it is having such a detrimental effect you can just start a new profile there. I only see +3 feedback for you, and a couple with some old "safe" ones you've visited before, and others who don't care about feedback can help you get those back.

I don't have negative feedback on AW; there's just that thread in Saafe (with my real first name).

I could start a new profile on AW, maybe I will. I'm quite lazy and like I said I had a great put with Kerol - for double the time and for a lower price (even when you factor in a taxi). (I took a taxi!)
What I did was.. I just called her direct. No need for an AW account.




Offline HomerC

When the area is called "Murder Mile", I think it's justifiable to be concerned… beforehand

But yeah, nothing happened in her 'hood. I wasn't accosted…. If anyone else is thinking about it - go for it, you'll be fine.  I mainly noticed pollution and dirt. No one flashed a blade at me.

Perhaps I have issues with anxiety and paranoia. I'll just always get a cab from now on!

Offline HomerC

AS A BROWN PERSON YOU CAN BE HASSLED ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY....FOR BEING BROWN

Amazing insight. Thanks.

Offline Mr_Shins

She knows your real first name? I know hers but I'm not telling. I know her surname too but still not telling...

I did see the post on SAAFE though. She is still called honeysuckall on there too...

Offline HomerC

She knows your real first name? I know hers but I'm not telling. I know her surname too but still not telling...

I did see the post on SAAFE though. She is still called honeysuckall on there too...

Good for you. :) I don't want to know her's.

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Offline Bassman

When the area is called "Murder Mile", I think it's justifiable to be concerned… beforehand

But yeah, nothing happened in her 'hood. I wasn't accosted…. If anyone else is thinking about it - go for it, you'll be fine.  I mainly noticed pollution and dirt. No one flashed a blade at me.

Perhaps I have issues with anxiety and paranoia. I'll just always get a cab from now on!

One road is known as murder mile. Crime rates in the local area have dropped greatly. I'm around there often. It's not what it was a decade and a half ago.

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Are you Donald Trump in disguise?

Offline newbody

When I get the street name of a punting location I look it up on an A-Z (do you remember them?).  99% of the time I can find a place but once I did not manage to find a place because it was in an obscure location and when the girl phoned me to see if I was in the area, I mentioned the name a block of flats that I was standing outside of and she just laughed and said that is not the correct location and put the phone down.  10 minutes later she sent me this message:

"all my clients can find my place!!!!I knew it u are a timewaister motherfucker dickhead looser!"  (her spelling).

I did actually find the place after she sent the message, but then I reckon I had a narrow escape from a cruel, unhelpful bitch.

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Did anyone else initially think that this was just some guy bragging about his gadgets and he had left a review on teh wrong website?

And why do people with iphones have to refer them them as their iphone and not just their phone or smartphone.. you don't here people saying, i'll ring you on my android phone, i'll text you on my windows phone.... its hilarious and just goes to show the demographic apple is after....

P.S. You are to blame.... if i'm punting in an area i'm not familiar with i search the postcode on my android phone and check if it correlates with the info the girl gave... i even boot up my Dual screen, Quad Core 3.8GHz, windows PC and check Google street view..

Offline HomerC

When I get the street name of a punting location I look it up on an A-Z (do you remember them?).  99% of the time I can find a place but once I did not manage to find a place because it was in an obscure location and when the girl phoned me to see if I was in the area, I mentioned the name a block of flats that I was standing outside of and she just laughed and said that is not the correct location and put the phone down.  10 minutes later she sent me this message:

"all my clients can find my place!!!!I knew it u are a timewaister motherfucker dickhead looser!"  (her spelling).

I did actually find the place after she sent the message, but then I reckon I had a narrow escape from a cruel, unhelpful bitch.

Charming! You had a lucky escape. 
The calibre of WG varies quite a bit.

Offline HomerC

This is a tip for anyone else going to see her:

The food place she mentions is two words. If you put it in google maps it doesn't show up. The trick is to omit the first word. Then it shows up.

When typing the second word, you might have to override the auto correct it's not an English word.

Technology sometimes hinders.