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Curious6705

Its merely a fluke of history that Tobacco and Alcohol are legal and something like Cannabis not.

TBH in my opinion it's a bit more than a fluke. Alcohol has been part of most world cultures since before records began. According to Wikipaedia beer is the 3rd most popular drink in the world - after water and tea - whereas only a small minority consume the likes of cannabis.  :hi:



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TBH in my opinion it's a bit more than a fluke. Alcohol has been part of most world cultures since before records began. According to Wikipaedia beer is the 3rd most popular drink in the world - after water and tea - whereas only a small minority consume the likes of cannabis.  :hi:

http://www.tpuc.org/the-marijuana-conspiracy/   :hi:


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Offline Mwtp

I'm a regular smoker of the green stuff.  I find it doesn't destroy my sex drive, unless I get absolutely hammered.  That's a rarity, as I am a seasoned smoker, and know my limits.

I refuse to touch anything else.  I know what effects things have, and don't want to massive around with harmful drugs (Cannabis isn't that harmful, read further on and I shall explain further).

Acid is great but it is one drug you really do have to be careful with.  For something similar but on the milder side 'shrooms would be a good place to start.  You can legally buy the spores for 'research purposes' but it's illegal to cultivate them.  You can also pick wild mushrooms in the UK & these are really mild but you need hundreds of the feckers to make a good brew.  Not sure where you can get them up north but down here Cheddar & some Welsh Valley towns are good places to find them  ;)

It's legal to grow them and harvest them.  It's only Illegal to dry them.  That's the last I heard on the laws surrounding it anyway.  Fresh is ok, dry is not.

Same as Cannabis seeds are legal, but to mix them with Soil and water, providing heat and light is not (Growing them!)

Yes, alcohol and caffeine are the most common abusive drugs in the society actually  ;) . Some ppl think alcohol is more dangerous than the euphoric drugs, as it is easily accessible. Coke, crack, meth amp etc those sort of stuff is highly addictive, so better dont try them. Moreover, they decrease your pleasure while you are having sex with the wgs or ejaculate, DONT TAKE THEM AT ANY COST.   :manhater:

Several years ago in the UK, the head of the science committee (I am terrible at remembering names, so can't say who) was tasked with providing information on how dangerous drugs are.  He gave accurate accounts of it all.  They are not as harmful as made out.  The government wants to keep control of people and so lies about it.  He was fired for not giving supporting information.  Many of his staff quit.  The next guy to take the job quit immediately saying that he could not do it, as he was expected to lie and support their claims.  They then got somebody in who'd support them.

Basically, alcohol and tobacco = money, so that's fine.  While drugs are dangerous, they lie about how dangerous.  The news reports what they're told, and make everything seem worse.  One incident of a drug death gets massive coverage, making people afraid.  That is part of how they control, using fear.

One conclusion made by the guy who quit was "It is more dangerous to ride a horse, than it is to take ecstasy" and yet you don't see the  government trying to stop people riding horses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCChf2WHNE4 (he's amazing when you listen to him, he knows what to say, and really puts the woman down)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/4537874/Ecstasy-no-more-dangerous-than-horse-riding.html

Just google David Nutt.  He has his head screwed on.  He doesn't say drugs are safe, he doesn't think they should be legal necessarily.  He just wants people to KNOW the TRUTH about what they actually do.

The prohibition on drugs has caused more harm than the drugs themselves.  Drug related crime being a massive one.  But other than that, you must consider things like strength.  It's Illegal, and hard to get, so people make them stronger, so less of it has a greater effect.  Drug dealers mix their drugs with other substances.  You don't know strength of the drugs you're getting, or purity.

Ok, I'm preaching, so I'll leave it alone, but people are misled an awful lot.

Well since I never used any drugs and I behave completely different when I get too drunk, I'm sure it did actually happen; we were sitting at the same table with a very dodgy group of guys.

But I agree, a lot of girls must mistake them getting completely smashed for being roofied.

And surely you must know that the most common roofie, Rohypnol, is hard to detect.

Aye, Rohypnol is a bit of a bugger.  Adrenaline can cause the body to burn it off pretty quick, making it hard to detect.  The hangover associated with it is usually a dead give away though.  Roofie hangovers are way worse.  (I have never used, nor would I use such a thing, I only know so much because I found it a great way of scaring off girls I'm not interested in.  Display excess knowledge in a creepy topic like that, they usually back off quickly.  I am quite well informed on various torture techniques too :D)

Offline Matium

Isn't Rohypnol the date rape drug used to knock out girls?

Offline lovelysofia92

Isn't Rohypnol the date rape drug used to knock out girls?

Yes it is, sorry for using the term roofie, didn't realise it's not commonly used in the UK.

   
''n. Generic slang term used to describe any date-rape drug (GHB, Rohypnol or Ketamine for example).''

Tony Montana

Yes it is, sorry for using the term roofie, didn't realise it's not commonly used in the UK.

   
''n. Generic slang term used to describe any date-rape drug (GHB, Rohypnol or Ketamine for example).''

It is commonly used, I've certainly heard of it.


Offline Samanthasweetie

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ive never touched drugs apart from weed but i heard coke can make u slim?

personally id rather diet and gym
Yes it makes you slim because can,t eat anything onit ive tried coke before but no ty to me it depresses you and it does not make me feel horny or good at all !

It's legal to grow them and harvest them.  It's only Illegal to dry them.  That's the last I heard on the laws surrounding it anyway.  Fresh is ok, dry is not.

Not according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_psilocybin_mushrooms#United_Kingdom

You can now only buy spores online http://www.potseeds.co.uk/mushrooms/ but unless you have a license from the Secretary of State  :scare: you cannot cultivate them, they are for research purposes only  ;)

Several years ago in the UK, the head of the science committee (I am terrible at remembering names, so can't say who)

That was David Nutt I think?

It is commonly used, I've certainly heard of it.

Not in the zimmer-frame-using communities I visit, lex!  ;)

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Saw a wg recently and she told me an incident that had happened only last week.She had gone on an outcall to a guy she had seen before,his nickname is cocaine ---- and well known amongst the girls.When she turned up there was another girl there who she hadn't known about,but decided to go ahead.The guy offered her a drink, she accepted after checking that it had not been opened.She cannot remember anything after that.She woke up naked in her own bed and has not got a clue what happened or how she got home.She has got a bruise on her right thigh about 25mm by 60mm,it looks like she had been knocked against a table.
Ive seen worse I use to work for gentlemen clubs and some of the terriable things ive witnessed to regarding girls safety so appalling  :thumbsdown: That,s why I left and gone on to independent !

Offline haystacks79

Yes it is, sorry for using the term roofie, didn't realise it's not commonly used in the UK.

   
''n. Generic slang term used to describe any date-rape drug (GHB, Rohypnol or Ketamine for example).''

it's certainly a term I'm familiar with - just wondering if it's because I'm in a city with such a high student population, it means there's often information posters and leaflets around warning against leaving drinks unattended etc.

Offline Dani

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it's certainly a term I'm familiar with - just wondering if it's because I'm in a city with such a high student population, it means there's often information posters and leaflets around warning against leaving drinks unattended etc.

I think every female over the age of 14 knows not to leave her drink unattended especially in clubs.  Also when drinking from a bottle keep your thumb over the top of it or use the stoppers that can be bought for under a £1 or some student bars and clubs give out freely (do they still give them out?)

Offline Mwtp

Not according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_psilocybin_mushrooms#United_Kingdom

You can now only buy spores online http://www.potseeds.co.uk/mushrooms/ but unless you have a license from the Secretary of State  :scare: you cannot cultivate them, they are for research purposes only  ;)

That was David Nutt I think?

Huh, well I haven't used mushrooms, and have no desire to.  I'm weird, and mental illness runs in my family.  The weed is alright with me.  I know precisely what my tolerances are, but hallucinogens.... I just know I'd not do so well.  for that reason I don't keep up with laws surrounding them.  I have no need.

And yes, quite right, it is David Nutt.  I did add it later in my post, but was too lazy to change what I'd already written :P

I do ponder if Mrs HP is doping Mr HP's cuppa.

I never do drugs, whether legal or not legal, I would cross the road to avoid them and walk away from a lady who appeared to be using them.

Offline Secondskin69

I never do drugs, whether legal or not legal, I would cross the road to avoid them and walk away from a lady who appeared to be using them.
No inference that you drugs HP, just a joke.  :hi:
Banning reason: Making pedophile allegations

Offline SWLondon

I've tried quite a lot of recreationals (ecstasy, speed, 'shrooms, cannabis, coke, and ketamine) and I can confirm in moderation they are no more dangerous than having a few drinks.  The problems associated with them are almost all related to going out and getting completely caned on a regular basis.

I've had a discussion with my parents about this and they hated how I take / took drugs.  One thing that made me stand out is the case of a man who took ecstasy pills every day for 10 years and was still alive, and I bet he wasn't taking just 'pure' MDMA (ecstasy).  If you had taken that many paracetamol your liver would have given up long ago, or if you'd taken that many ibuprofen you would be dead from internal bleeding. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/apr/04/drugsandalcohol.drugs1

If dirty street drugs are that bad for you, how can a man who'd done them to excess for that long still be alive?!  If you'd drunk 25 pints a day for 9 years you'd be in a worse state than that.

Like punting drugs are illegal because it would be political suicide to legalise and control their use.  On the plus side because they are illegal they are a hell of a lot cheaper than they would be if the pfizer were allowed to make them and the government taxed them!

Offline Louise 100% British

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I got spiked with a bottle of coca cola when I was 13 at butlins in mine head.
Date rape drug & woke up in hospital and I was unconscious for 24 hours.
They caught the monster though, thankfully!

Drugs are scary things- I tried ecstasy (or what I believed to be ecstasy) when I was younger and I mixed it with alcohol and ended up on a life support machine.

Never touched anything else after this.
A friend from school died from sniffing a deodorant can too. Not good.

When I first started escorting I got sent to a lot of jobs (by an agency) that involved cocaine, always with other girls, but the clients were usually so high already that they didn't even realise I wasn't sniffing it.
Now I wouldn't stick around if there were drugs around. Not my cup of tea.
I enjoy a nice glass of wine though :)

Offline SWLondon

I got spiked with a bottle of coca cola when I was 13 at butlins in mine head.
Date rape drug & woke up in hospital and I was unconscious for 24 hours.
They caught the monster though, thankfully!

That's horrific!  Sorry to hear that!

Drugs are scary things- I tried ecstasy (or what I believed to be ecstasy) when I was younger and I mixed it with alcohol and ended up on a life support machine.

It probably was ecstasy, and without knowing the fact it was probably due to dilutional hyponatremia (drinking too much water) or dehydration.  Some people can get freaked out and then try and drink a lot of water to try and sober themselves when taking ecstasy, this is the worst thing you can do as ecstasy can prevent you from passing water easily so you become poisoned from too much water in your system.  This was the sad case of Leah Betts who came home freaked out from going out clubbing with friends and taking ecstasy for the first time and her parents fed her too much water to sober up and she ended up getting dilutional hyponatremia.

I'm not saying drugs aren't dangerous, you need to learn how to take them before taking them.  If you gave someone a pack of painkillers who'd never come across them before, you'd explain you should take 2 with water and ideally something to eat to line the stomach.  Prohibition causes ignorance which is dangerous if people then go and take a powerful drug ignorantly.

Offline Louise 100% British

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Yes it probably was ecstasy, and yes it was taken with ignorance because I was so young- and just copying the group of friends I was with.

I still am ignorant towards drugs, they do not interest me in the slightest.

I think being on a life support machine twice is enough to put anyone off!

Offline Cactus

Don't think drugs in this industry are strange bedfellows.  I had one famous(ish) porn star escort propose that I pay off her dealer and buy a bag of coke in return for a 3 hour booking whilst I was in Manchester for business, she was going to come to my hotel and then the dealer would come round promptly after and I'd settle the tab and get her some more.  In return she'd "fuck me like there was no tomorrow".  I thanked her for the offer and politely declined... Turned up for a couple of punts as well where the girl has been grinding her jaw or white white powder around her nose, on each occassion I've turned and left.

I've tried most things over the years, didn't really like any of them except for mushrooms, which I had a hoot on a couple of times at music festivals, including a rather memorable (I think) day at Glastonbury.  Have never liked smoking, but do like the way having some weed feels.

The worst  reaction I've ever been had to drugs though was when I was in New Zealand and went to a "bar", which sold no alcohol, only legal highs.  Spoke to the guy behind the counter who advised that I would get a good buzz from a combination of two things, one was a pill and one was ingested nasally and I'll admit it was a good night.  However the next day I basically couldn't move, nose wouldn't stop running, felt like I'd been mown down by a truck and my cock shrunk to about an inch in length, this all lasted for about 3 days, worse than any self inflicted pain I'd felt before.  Would never ever touch a legal high again.

Offline smiths

I've tried quite a lot of recreationals (ecstasy, speed, 'shrooms, cannabis, coke, and ketamine) and I can confirm in moderation they are no more dangerous than having a few drinks.  The problems associated with them are almost all related to going out and getting completely caned on a regular basis.

I've had a discussion with my parents about this and they hated how I take / took drugs.  One thing that made me stand out is the case of a man who took ecstasy pills every day for 10 years and was still alive, and I bet he wasn't taking just 'pure' MDMA (ecstasy).  If you had taken that many paracetamol your liver would have given up long ago, or if you'd taken that many ibuprofen you would be dead from internal bleeding. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/apr/04/drugsandalcohol.drugs1

If dirty street drugs are that bad for you, how can a man who'd done them to excess for that long still be alive?!  If you'd drunk 25 pints a day for 9 years you'd be in a worse state than that.

Like punting drugs are illegal because it would be political suicide to legalise and control their use.  On the plus side because they are illegal they are a hell of a lot cheaper than they would be if the pfizer were allowed to make them and the government taxed them!

You say "like punting drugs are illegal". Only one thing wrong with the first part of that statement, punting ISNT illegal per se. It only becomes illegal if the WG you punt with is being coerced, is underage or you kerbcrawled and picked her up off the street.

How one of these drugs affected you doesnt mean it will affect another in the same way. People have died from taking a small amount of Ecstasy, so in reality you can only confirm the effect they had on you.

Offline SWLondon

OK, punting isn't illegal but neither is ingesting drugs (only the possession, or selling).

No one has died from taking a 'little' ecstasy, people have died from over drinking water, dehydration, or from a pre-existing medical condition. The media has labelled it a killer when the OD level is actually so high you are likely to be incapacitated before it's reached.  It is actually far, far easier to die from alcohol poisoning than OD'ing on ecstasy.  I'd like to restate that I don't believe taking drugs is a safe thing to do, but if people know the risks they are actually safer than the government or the media let on.  Below is an exert direct from Wikipedia:

Overdose

Due to the difference between the recreational dose and the lethality dose, it is extremely rare for a death to be accredited just to the consumption of MDMA. While a typical recreational dose is roughly 100–150 mg (often being measured by eye and dealt with as fractions of a gram), this dose is often then repeated but remains well below the lethal dose. Consumption of the drug can be self-reinforcing while under the influence, and overdoses can occur. People who are grossly obese, or who have diabetes, high blood pressure or heart conditions have a greater risk of overdose death from any stimulant, and should generally avoid MDMA and similar drugs.[citation needed]

The standard treatment for MDMA overdose given in hospitals includes a range of drugs such as cyproheptadine or chlorpromazine[30] but these are often of limited efficacy. MDMA overdose mainly results in hyperthermia and hyponatremia, which leads onto convulsions from the hyponatremia and rhabdomyolysis (toxic muscle breakdown) from the hyperthermia. These complications can be treated; benzodiazepines such as diazepam or lorazepam are used to control convulsions and dantrolene blocks rhabdomyolysis.[31]

It has been argued that "the seriousness of the effects can be dependent on environmental factors other than the drug concentration", as blood concentrations of the drug spanned a large range in cases of death in MDMA users. This not-with-standing, "most of the cases of serious toxicity or fatality have involved blood levels... up to 40 times higher than the usual recreational range." [32]

Quoted from Dr. Julie Holland: "Not only are MDMA related cases a small percentage of all drug-related emergency room visits, but a large percentage of MDMA cases are not life-threatening. In a recent study conducted by the physicians in the Emergency Department of Bellevue, (Rella, Int J Med Toxicol 2000; 3(5): 28) regional hospital ecstasy cases phoned into the New York City poison control center were analyzed. There were 191 cases reported during the years 1993 to 1999 inclusive. This is a rate of fewer than thirty cases per year. 139 cases (73%) were mild and experienced minor or no toxicity. The most commonly reported symptoms were increased heart rate (22%), agitation (19%), and nausea and vomiting (12%). In these seven years, only one ecstasy-related death was reported, which was due to hyperthermia, or overheating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_MDMA_on_the_human_body#Overdose

Offline smiths

OK, punting isn't illegal but neither is ingesting drugs (only the possession, or selling).

No one has died from taking a 'little' ecstasy, people have died from over drinking water, dehydration, or from a pre-existing medical condition. The media has labelled it a killer when the OD level is actually so high you are likely to be incapacitated before it's reached.  It is actually far, far easier to die from alcohol poisoning than OD'ing on ecstasy.  I'd like to restate that I don't believe taking drugs is a safe thing to do, but if people know the risks they are actually safer than the government or the media let on.  Below is an exert direct from Wikipedia:

Overdose

Due to the difference between the recreational dose and the lethality dose, it is extremely rare for a death to be accredited just to the consumption of MDMA. While a typical recreational dose is roughly 100–150 mg (often being measured by eye and dealt with as fractions of a gram), this dose is often then repeated but remains well below the lethal dose. Consumption of the drug can be self-reinforcing while under the influence, and overdoses can occur. People who are grossly obese, or who have diabetes, high blood pressure or heart conditions have a greater risk of overdose death from any stimulant, and should generally avoid MDMA and similar drugs.[citation needed]

The standard treatment for MDMA overdose given in hospitals includes a range of drugs such as cyproheptadine or chlorpromazine[30] but these are often of limited efficacy. MDMA overdose mainly results in hyperthermia and hyponatremia, which leads onto convulsions from the hyponatremia and rhabdomyolysis (toxic muscle breakdown) from the hyperthermia. These complications can be treated; benzodiazepines such as diazepam or lorazepam are used to control convulsions and dantrolene blocks rhabdomyolysis.[31]

It has been argued that "the seriousness of the effects can be dependent on environmental factors other than the drug concentration", as blood concentrations of the drug spanned a large range in cases of death in MDMA users. This not-with-standing, "most of the cases of serious toxicity or fatality have involved blood levels... up to 40 times higher than the usual recreational range." [32]

Quoted from Dr. Julie Holland: "Not only are MDMA related cases a small percentage of all drug-related emergency room visits, but a large percentage of MDMA cases are not life-threatening. In a recent study conducted by the physicians in the Emergency Department of Bellevue, (Rella, Int J Med Toxicol 2000; 3(5): 28) regional hospital ecstasy cases phoned into the New York City poison control center were analyzed. There were 191 cases reported during the years 1993 to 1999 inclusive. This is a rate of fewer than thirty cases per year. 139 cases (73%) were mild and experienced minor or no toxicity. The most commonly reported symptoms were increased heart rate (22%), agitation (19%), and nausea and vomiting (12%). In these seven years, only one ecstasy-related death was reported, which was due to hyperthermia, or overheating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_MDMA_on_the_human_body#Overdose
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Yes extremely rare, that means it COULD happen to a person dependent on them as an individual. Also not everyone with high blood pressure or a heart problem knows about it. I am in no way saying Alcohol is any better, and i agree about knowing the risks so they can assess them BEFORE taking the drug.

The other point about illegal drugs is who knows whats actually in them, now with Horsemeat this now applies to food we might buy in a regulated industry sadly.

Offline Mwtp

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Yes extremely rare, that means it COULD happen to a person dependent on them as an individual. Also not everyone with high blood pressure or a heart problem knows about it. I am in no way saying Alcohol is any better, and i agree about knowing the risks so they can assess them BEFORE taking the drug.

The other point about illegal drugs is who knows whats actually in them, now with Horsemeat this now applies to food we might buy in a regulated industry sadly.

That's because of people wanting cheaper and cheaper food, and not caring so much where it comes from.

I found the response to the horsemeat situation a little sickening.  I am vegetarian, but if I ate meat, I'd eat the burgers.  The argument that a horse is different is crazy.  Hindus find the cow to be sacred, yet we eat them, so what's the difference.  Meanwhile there are people in this country that are starving, let alone many third world countries, so they withdraw the lot and destroyed it.  Is that right?  So the animal has already had its life taken for food, but it's not even used for that purpose.  That is as bad killing it in the first place, in my opinion.  At least honour it by using it for the purpose it was killed.

But you're right, Illegal drugs means we don't know what's in them.  I know I have had cannabis that is glassed.  Far too many times.  Doesn't happen any more, as I'm experienced and have regular contacts.  For those who don't know, glassing is where they spray the cannabis with hairspray, then roll it in sand.  The sand sticks and makes it heavier.  It burns horribly, tastes disgusting, and fills you with bad chemicals.


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