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Offline Louise 100% British

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Because you wont pay if they do it.

No, it's because no company can guarantee that you will get to the first page.

Offline James999

Because you wont pay if they do it.

If they have no faith in their ability why should a stranger trust them, all of these "Pay up front" sites / adverts etc tend to not return the results, and knowing this the webdesigners / advert sales people want money up front as they know it won't produce, and thus they'd never get paid  :hi:

Offline k

Im always getting emails  text , phone calls from people offering to put my website on the first page of Google for within 1 week  and they want anything from £100 -£500 to do this for me 

When I reply with Ok tell you what, You go ahead and do it let me see it on there and then i will pay you  ( and i would happily pay for if someone actually achieved it )  they don't want to do that, ( i wonder why)
This nonsensical phrase is trotted out time and time again as if it was some holy grail.  Yeah I can get you to the top of google, but the phrase I'm going to get you to the top of google for is totally unrelated to your business, and therefore useless..   

Let's see now, how about "somnambulistic elephant shoes".  Check google in 2 days time and you will find UKP will be top for that phrase.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2013, 06:31:02 PM by k »

Offline Dani

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Anyone can get to the front page of google as one of my websites is, the problem is keeping it there.  hell if I can get to the front page then anyone can without paying out a fortune. 

As for a new advertising site, there are plenty already and I can tell you now no escort is going to pay you until your site is at the very top 3 on the first page of google as there is no point if you are any further down the page.  I happily pay the top 3 to advertise and they vary from £10 a month to £40 a month in price.

The best bet would be to be free until you are well known.  Mind a you a local site is not going to make you much money.  Plus you cannot guarantee the girl is independent or genuine.
As for Paypal well done, you have managed to find a payment method that will keep all your money if they know it is for an adult site. 

Me thinks someone else suddenly thinks he can make money from prossies.

The best thing to do would be for someone to build a site very similar to AW but where passports were checked for every member on a 3month basis (would stop the passing on of profiles).  Perhaps not make it a webcam site as well and just have it for escorts with the same sort of thing with galleries etc and videos and charging for available today and member of the day etc, But work it slightly different so whe you open the site you see people on the front page from yoru area.  I.e instead of just member of the day (who could be 100s of miles form you) it has your area member of the day i.e east midlands or London or dorset etc.  That way you would earn more as well as would have more of the very expensive member of the day slots and it would benefit the women too

Offline ParisB

Because you wont pay if they do it.


Actually i would  I'm not one of those people who wont pay for advertising and want everything for free  I know the value of proper marketing and advertising   - as long as the price is agreed for in advance why wouldn't I pay  If they have got me on first page of google within a week then I would pay the fee as requested 

I happily pay for auto-censored auto-censored selectanescort and for various stuff on adultwork and have done for many years  I also pay around £80 a week to advertise when I'm Ireland working So please don't tell me that i wont pay  I will pay for something that works not some idiot texting me thinking that I'm going to hand over cash to someone without a proven track record

« Last Edit: April 13, 2013, 07:40:14 PM by ParisB »

Offline k

This company has the right idea by affiliating themselves as AW's EE Business Advisors:-

http://adultwork.sweetkicklimited.net/

This company has the right idea by affiliating themselves as AW's EE Business Advisors:-

http://adultwork.sweetkicklimited.net/

http://adultwork.sweetkicklimited.net/page0/index.html
interesting details for EE users
"Special regulations for Eastern Europe members on AdultWork.com "

Offline crystaldenison

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the issue is many have promised the same thing and then never managed to supply what they promised . as for people not paying for advertising adultwork charge , to have your mobile shown , to show up on the new local escorts part , to be featured , to show up higher  in the phone-chat and webcam list ... why do we pay them because they can and do deliver , when a company (website) can do the same and can prove this people might pay but until then its best to get girls on give them x months free and then charge a small monthly % of what they earn on the site

 the only downside to adultwork is the high % of fakes including profiles that say they escort but only do phonechat or webcam ect  and obv there problems of late

Offline Marmalade

the issue is many have promised the same thing and then never managed to supply what they promised . as for people not paying for advertising adultwork charge , to have your mobile shown , to show up on the new local escorts part , to be featured , to show up higher  in the phone-chat and webcam list ... why do we pay them because they can and do deliver , when a company (website) can do the same and can prove this people might pay but until then its best to get girls on give them x months free and then charge a small monthly % of what they earn on the site

 the only downside to adultwork is the high % of fakes including profiles that say they escort but only do phonechat or webcam ect  and obv there problems of late

spot on. There's someone every few months thinking they can 'do better than adultwork.' most of them have little or no experience of running an erotic services website and none on the sort of scale Adultwork provides. so someone coming along and boasting they can do it is hilarious when it's been heard so many times.

Offline ParisB

What i find  interesting is that  if i work in Ireland there is really one one site to advertise on along with say Viva st and Adultwork  so its pretty simple.
 
But in the uk you are swamped with website after website, and directory after directory  Some are well established advertising and directories and are worth paying for  and  often  work better for certain areas
For some new girls starting out I'm not surprised that they found it hard to work out where to start 

This nonsensical phrase is trotted out time and time again as if it was some holy grail.  Yeah I can get you to the top of google, but the phrase I'm going to get you to the top of google for is totally unrelated to your business, and therefore useless..   

Let's see now, how about "somnambulistic elephant shoes".  Check google in 2 days time and you will find UKP will be top for that phrase.
It is on Page 1 of Google - but strangely is only second on the page  :D

Offline k

It is on Page 1 of Google - but strangely is only second on the page  :D
Give it another day: it seems at least that google treats UKP as if it were a "news site".  If it were any other site I would have said give it a week to ten days.  Let's see what happens if I add it to my signature...

Offline k

It is on Page 1 of Google - but strangely is only second on the page  :D
It's made it to No. 1.

Unlike something else which... witch?  I'm glad didn't, but that's a story that's been aired separately.

There's someone every few months thinking they can 'do better than adultwork.' most of them have little or no experience of running an erotic services website and none on the sort of scale Adultwork provides. so someone coming along and boasting they can do it is hilarious when it's been heard so many times.

Just because the wrong people want to do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.
Remember, once upon a time no one thought there would ever be a social network site better than MySpace...  :rolleyes:

The reason why there are so many failed adult directories and poor AW clones is because people are creating them for the wrong reasons. Instead of creating a site to provide better functionality than AW, people are creating them purely to try and 'make money' or siphon off some of that AW money. The reason why AW is so popular is because it provides what punters and providers need and does it well.

It's a similar principle to why a site like Myfreecams does fantastic while other newer adult camsites just sit there gathering dust and feeling sorry for themselves.

the only downside to adultwork is the high % of fakes

The fakes and scams are a consequence of AW's success. Fraud follows money so if anyone was to make a more popular site than AW then that would also attract the fraudsters.

Offline Marmalade

Just because the wrong people want to do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.
Quite right. But the 'geniuses' that keep popping up suggesting a alternative hardly strike me as Mark Zuckerbergs. AW are not only at the top of their game - further than any other escort site I've seen worldwide - they are constantly developing technical innovations. Sure anything is possible and they could be beaten. But not by people ignorant of the basics.

The problem with Dave126's suggestion is he is already focusing on the money aspect. What he should be asking is what do we hate about Aw and what do we love about it. That would be the basic prerequisite for the design of any competing site.

Punters are not going to use a site with no escorts or shit functionality and escorts are not going to pay to advertise on a site with no punters.

Offline Marmalade

The problem with Dave126's suggestion is he is already focusing on the money aspect. What he should be asking is what do we hate about Aw and what do we love about it. That would be the basic prerequisite for the design of any competing site.

Punters are not going to use a site with no escorts or shit functionality and escorts are not going to pay to advertise on a site with no punters.

Just out of interest - genuinely - how do you think AW could be improved? Specifically (I am assuming you have some basic grasp of technical challenges)

Wiltsboy01

I would be happy with compulsory verification pics (same style as now) that can't be hidden/deleted without losing the profile. 

Real brutal hi-res pic of who you are getting with the phone number, town and profile ID number- so if she says she's 30 and in Crewe you can make your own judgement. 

Offline Marmalade

I would be happy with compulsory verification pics (same style as now) that can't be hidden/deleted without losing the profile. 

Real brutal hi-res pic of who you are getting with the phone number, town and profile ID number- so if she says she's 30 and in Crewe you can make your own judgement.

How long does it take you to work out how to get round that though .....

And how many genuine WGs give up before submitting to that .....

Could be diminishing returns, and once you enforce something heavy duty like that, it could be hard to get the business back if you change your mind. Not being awkward, just pointing out there is hardly a one-step solution.

Wiltsboy01

How long does it take you to work out how to get round that though .....

And how many genuine WGs give up before submitting to that .....

Could be diminishing returns, and once you enforce something heavy duty like that, it could be hard to get the business back if you change your mind. Not being awkward, just pointing out there is hardly a one-step solution.

Fair points.  I am selling my car on Autotrader and that seems to be fake-sale-proof as a model.  You search by area, price and vehicle properties and it spits back photos and the ad shows emails and a phone number that can be a safety type so not even your own. 

I mean only in Pro$$ie land do you seem to browse such bullshit adverts. 

I would like to really see what I'm getting and if I'm honest, I find real women sexy with all their imperfections.  Some of the photoshopped pictures are like cartoons ffs.

Real beauties could charge accordingly but I would still want a genuine woman.

Offline Secondskin69

Just out of interest - genuinely - how do you think AW could be improved? Specifically (I am assuming you have some basic grasp of technical challenges)
Personally I think I have the ideal USP for an AW rival site....

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Using our dedicated, detailed information pack you review each WG in your area. Using our secure dedicated server you log in and review each WG using the Independent review pack, to give an impartial review of each WG you visit.

Once all the WG's have been "reviewed" the new independent punting site will be launched. For each punt in your area you then collect the the fee payable to the WG deduct 5% and hand the rest over to the WG. You keep 70% of the fee and forward us the nominal 30%.

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Offline ParisB

Fair points.  I am selling my car on Autotrader and that seems to be fake-sale-proof as a model.  You search by area, price and vehicle properties and it spits back photos and the ad shows emails and a phone number that can be a safety type so not even your own. 

I mean only in Pro$$ie land do you seem to browse such bullshit adverts. 

I would like to really see what I'm getting and if I'm honest, I find real women sexy with all their imperfections.  Some of the photoshopped pictures are like cartoons ffs.

Real beauties could charge accordingly but I would still want a genuine woman.


Those safety type number that auto trader use are ones that are premium rate and cost around 50 per minute to call which auto trader gets a very big percentage of
Viva st has just started to introduce this to the escort section and you have to actually email them to opt out of it
The Sport do it as well and i don't think that you have the option to opt out if your advertising with them

Offline Marmalade

I mean only in Pro$$ie land do you seem to browse such bullshit adverts. 

I would like to really see what I'm getting and if I'm honest, I find real women sexy with all their imperfections.  Some of the photoshopped pictures are like cartoons ffs.

Real beauties could charge accordingly but I would still want a genuine woman.

if you turned up to buy a car and were offered a tricycle you wouldn't buy. a percentage of bait and switch sex customers will. Prosies sell differently to cars.

passport, photo, name-plate and date - anything else you require for Identification - how much do you think you could get for it? Soon you have a network trade in them. ban pg photos? (a main incentive). then you cut out the incentive for many prossies as well who at least use it to fund basuc charges like phone number display.  offshore to be beyond harriet Harman,'s reach - but many prossies won't trust a non-accountable company with passport details even now. how much less a new company.

and finally you have to make an operation of that size financially viable.  a site with that much traffic isn't run on a wing and a prayer. so if you want to compete at that level you need sonething no one else has thought of yet ...

Offline Secondskin69

and finally you have to make an operation of that size financially viable.  a site with that much traffic isn't run on a wing and a prayer. so if you want to compete at that level you need sonething no one else has thought of yet ...
Interestingly, well, to me at least, I discovered auto-censored first. And although I never booked anything I viewed through them it piqued my interest. Ironically their obvious hatred towards AW made me look up that site.

They say content is king, and PN vs AW there is no comparison! The next 'leap' in WG/punting website will need so much more 'bells and whistles' that the infrastructure will need to be huge.

As far as making any such site a punter's site is pissing in the wind. Again content is king and allowing punters to be anything less than genuflecting in their response will mean the site owners need to ban you, or block such comments.
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