Elle2013 - Derby

[Charlie Chalk]

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Following GolfNut's positive review of a few weeks ago, I decided to try out Elle myself, having had her on my HL for a few months. Comms were great via AW - she seemed very organised and friendly as we exchanged emails.

Usual protocol - gives postcode and then further info once you arrive. I had some delays  so didn't get parked up until a couple of minutes after the start time. It was a few mins after that (whilst suffering fat finger syndrome trying to text Elle) that she pinged a text through to me asking if I'd arrived. And a few mins after I replied before I got the door no. So not a great start - running 10 mins late and hoping I'll still get the full hour.

Door opens, no-one there as per usual so walk in, hear the door close and turn round, which is always the nerviest part of the punt for me. I shouldn't have worried - I found her very pretty, with a firm but curvy figure (I'd say her advertised 14 is about right), dressed in silk robe with knickers. She's about 4 or 5 feet away from me at this point, and normally the girl moves in for a kiss and/or cuddle. Not Elle - she shows me through to the lounge and tells me to leave my coat there, then shows me up the stairs to the bedroom. This was also odd - most WG's go first so you can see the goods, but she lagged behind so I had to take the lead. Into the bedroom, and I hand over the cash before a kiss and a cuddle. Having read some reviews on here. I'd hoped I was going to be in for a DFK treat, but light kissing was all that was on offer. I don't smoke, and had brushed my teeth, used mouthwash and popped mints and breath freshener so don't know what her problem was (I don't think I'm that hideous).

At this point I reckon I could be here all day waiting for her to strip me, so off with my clothes as fast as possible, then hers and on to the bed for a bit of mutual playing. After a few minutes she suggests OWO (fine by me) but also insists I sit on the edge of the bed whilst she kneels on the floor? Err, I'm the punter so I'll decide what position we'll be in thanks! The OWO (whilst lying on my back!) was ok, but by no means the best I've had. After a while I suggest 69 which she is happy to do (!) - she climbs on top, I'm enjoying her fresh, wet pussy but she keeps pulling away from Little Charlie as she seems to be enjoying the RO a bit too much. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy she's having a good time but I'M the customer so don't ignore me just because you're having fun!

On to sex in the usual positions (doggy, cowgirl, mish) which was the best part of the punt for me. She really seemed to get into it and "came" a couple of times before I filled the bag in doggy. A bit of chat, then I was off just before the hour. I should mention that this was an hour after I walked in, not the original start time so plus mark for not trying to short-change me on time.

This was such a shame - I thought she was gorgeous, with the ideal build for me (nice firm natural tits, decent hips and big firm bum) so was ready to have a great time but we just didn't seem to click. She was friendly enough, but there was a lack of anything resembling a "natural" GFE with light kissing only and no real warmth. Venue was fine - parking is available nearby and the house was clean.

So it has to be a neutral from me - clean & safe venue, pretty girl, great body (if you like curves without flab), clean but not a great service. Not terrible, but unfortunately not worth my £100. Maybe it was just me (others have had a different experience & I wasn't in the best frame of mind after my travel delays) but I won't return.

[GolfNut]

Thanks for the review Charlie. Sorry it didn't quite go to plan.

Given you're the paying customer it is the girl's responsibility to at least create the illusion of chemistry even when there is none. So on that basis your neutral seems fair to me.

Better luck next punt.

GN 

[Elle-2013]

Hi Charlie. I thought I would come on here just to clarify a few things and to also apologise that you weren't happy with the service you paid for. I'm a bit surprised to be honest as you seemed to be really enjoying yourself throughout the booking and you told me on your way out that you would definitely book me again. You also left me the following positive feedback on AW afterwards:

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When you arrived I would normally give a nice kiss and cuddle but we instantly got into a conversation and were having a laugh and a joke about the fact we're both from the same place when we heard each other's accents. I'm sorry if you would have preferred me to walk up the stairs in front of you, I'll remember that for future bookings but I do normally always go up first.

I always like a good snog with lots of tongue with my clients to get us both in the mood, and I remember us French kissing a lot during the booking. There was nothing stopping you from asking if we could kiss more deeply if it wasn't doing it for you though. I personally found the kissing really passionate but I guess you didn't. Again, i apologise if you didn't feel like this was good enough and that you also didn't think my owo was up to scratch either. I did ask to go on my knees so I could maintain lots of eye contact wth you whilst doing it. You seemed pleased with this idea and didn't object at all and said how nice it felt. If you had been honest and told me you wanted it in a different position then I'd have been more than happy to oblige.

As for the 69, I was having such an intense orgasm that I did have to pull away from you a couple of times to catch my breath. You should see it as a massive compliment but I'm sorry if it meant the 69 ended up not being good for you. The sex was great and we did a few different positions so I'm pleased to hear you definitely enjoyed that part of the booking.

I'm surprised you felt like the GFE wasn't natural or that I wasn't a particularly warm person throughout though. I remember us having lots of jokes together and I was in hysterics at the end at one of your tv show impressions. We were lying side by side on the bed holding hands after the sex too and I was stroking your arm and hand and at no point did I try and rush you out the door. I was enjoying relaxing together and having a nice chat. You also commented on what a nice girl I was and how you'd definitely be back to see me again at some point. Oh and you even said that I was certainly worth the wait as you'd been trying to book me for a while.
I pride myself on giving my clients a good time and putting as much energy and enthusiasm into each booking as I possibly can. It's really saddened me to think you didn't actually enjoy yourself and you left feeling like you'd wasted your money (although why you left me such a great AW feedback saying we should meet again soon is beyond me..)

If you ever do want to return then I'd definitely be up for round 2 (maybe with a little discount thrown in for good measure) and you'll hopefully leave much happier.
Otherwise, I truly am sorry that you felt disappointed and I'll take all of your comments on board to ensure all future clients feel like they've had their monies worth. Cheers, Elle x

[GolfNut]

Can't win em all Elle.

Welcome to UKP. I suggest you also sign up to UKE where you can advertise and interact with other SP's and SS's.

Up to Charlie if he wants to take you up on your offer, which I personally think is pretty fair and also that you've taken his comments on board. Personally I had a great time with you so don't think you need to change, bearing in mind everyone is different.

GN 

[Charlie Chalk]

Well, that escalated quickly!

I don't want to get involved in too much detailed discussion on this on here, at the risk of boring everyone else.

Firstly, thank you to Elle for replying and addressing my review in such a measured and dispassionate manner. This can't be easy to do, and I think it does you great credit (anyone who thinks this is a bit fluffy can GTF).

The AW review is, like most AW reviews, not worth a huge amount. It is basically so SP's know the SS isn't a psycho, and so that SS's know the SP isn't a minging tranny in disguise.

I am not especially assertive so I know that I could have moved the booking in a different direction, but that is my personality. Some members on here would insist that it is the WG's absolute responsibility to ensure the booking moves in the direction the SS wants, but I do believe there is an element of "give and take", in that there has to be communication both ways. Hence my overall rating of Neutral, although perhaps a harsh Neutral on review but still Neutral. I also explained why my mind may not have been completely in the moment, due to arriving late in the first place.

As I said in my review, gorgeous girl, great figure, nice personality, good venue - these are all positives but on the day there were things I think could have gone better. I don't think there is much in the review which would put anyone off seeing Elle (nor should there be), but I wanted to post my honest review of the day. I think it sits well alongside Golfie's review, in that YMMV with any WG. I don't like seeing lots of overly positive reviews of anyone, as it can build up expectations to an unattainable level.

So, although I stand by my overall rating of Neutral I concede it may be a harsh Neutral, and hopefully anyone reading through these posts can see that, although I could perhaps have had a better time during my booking, that there may be reasons for this which may not affect other potential clients. And at the very least, that being a bit more assertive during a booking could pay dividends!

[Elle-2013]

Thanks Golfnut.
I'm not a mind reader so when Charlie was rock hard throughout the booking and telling me what I was doing felt great then I assumed he was happy with what I was doing. He's a nice guy though so would definitely be up for the challenge to rectify any mistakes I did make and hopefully give him a much more enjoyable time second time round if he wants to take me up on it. I've never had a bad review in 8 years of doing this, but, like you say, can't win them all.

I'll check out UKE,haven't ever really looked at it before but it sounds good.
Won't comment any further on this thread as Charlie is entitled to his opinion and I know this site isn't really for the escorts to get too involved with.

Thanks

[Elle-2013]

Thanks Charlie.

You're perfectly entitled to have not fully enjoyed the booking and again I'm sorry it wasn't as good as you were hoping it would be. I feel terrible about it. Guess I just felt like I needed to defend myself a bit on here though as you had seemed really happy when you were with me and I feel like I work hard at escorting to get so many positive reviews.

Just a friendly piece of advise (which isn't meant to be patronising by the way) - if you feel too awkward during a booking to tell the escort that you're disappointed with something she's doing (and I totally get that) then maybe a good option would be to say something along the lines of 'that feels nice but it would really turn me on if you did it like this'. Most escorts will be grateful for a little bit of guidance if it means the client is going to leave fully happy, as after all every client likes things completely differently so it can be tricky to get things absolutely spot on for them all if they don't voice what they want and just pretend that it all feels great.

Coming off here now but have a good Christmas both of you.
Cheers
Elle x

[GolfNut]

Nobody is questioning your neutral Charlie, least of all me. I did agree it sounded about right based on your report.

This is a very personal business and everyone has a completely different view of what is good and not so good hence the YMMV.

Ironically the bits you were least happy with were probably the bits I was most happy with and so it does indeed endorse the view that a review is purely one person's perspective. The more positive reviews a girl has demonstrates that a wider audience found her services to be good, but it doesn't guarantee the next person will have a good experience, it just raises the odds.

Only you and Elle might have the answer as to why you didn't enjoy it loads, and perhaps a second round with her might be enough to sort out the negatives you felt. Clearly your call, but Elle's offer of a discounted session is a pretty reasonable incentive I reckon.

Either way as I said before, I hope your next one is a positive.

GN 

[Charlie Chalk]

I've never had a bad review in 8 years of doing this, but, like you say, can't win them all.

You still don't 

Neutral review, with conditions and some clarification. Although this is a punter's forum, it is good when we can engage in some sensible discussion with WG's and this is hopefully one of those rare examples.

I'm going to continue the discussion with Elle via AW - Round 2 may well be on the cards which should prove that my review is certainly not Negative (I would never return to a Neg). There wasn't anything "wrong" which couldn't go "right" in a subsequent booking, so watch this space   

[Charlie Chalk]

Thanks Charlie.

You're perfectly entitled to have not fully enjoyed the booking and again I'm sorry it wasn't as good as you were hoping it would be. I feel terrible about it. Guess I just felt like I needed to defend myself a bit on here though as you had seemed really happy when you were with me and I feel like I work hard at escorting to get so many positive reviews.

Just a friendly piece of advise (which isn't meant to be patronising by the way) - if you feel too awkward during a booking to tell the escort that you're disappointed with something she's doing (and I totally get that) then maybe a good option would be to say something along the lines of 'that feels nice but it would really turn me on if you did it like this'. Most escorts will be grateful for a little bit of guidance if it means the client is going to leave fully happy, as after all every client likes things completely differently so it can be tricky to get things absolutely spot on for them all if they don't voice what they want and just pretend that it all feels great.

Coming off here now but have a good Christmas both of you.
Cheers
Elle x

Not patronising at all Elle, as a relative newbie I'm still finding out different things about my bedroom personality. And improving my assertiveness is at the top of the list. After all, you're not a mind reader. Just shows that we can all learn as we go on (god, that sounds so wish washy happy-clappy).

Group hug, everyone? 

[CoolTiger]

Hi Charlie. I thought I would come on here just to clarify a few things and to also apologise that you weren't happy with the service you paid for. I'm a bit surprised to be honest as you seemed to be really enjoying yourself throughout the booking and you told me on your way out that you would definitely book me again. You also left me the following positive feedback on AW afterwards:

"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!"

Elle, welcome to UKP. Golfnut has already covered most of the points, and good t see you take them on board, instead of arguing/slagging off the member and then getting yourself banned from here.

The only comment I shall add is where you have quoted the feedback he left you. This makes it very easy for anyone to to work out Charlie's AW nic, and this may work against him, in future bookings, etc.

I noticed that you recently started to offer evenings and weekend appointments, so there's still hope for me 


Charlie, if you feel this may compromise you, then report Elle's first post, asking Admin to remove the feedback part from her post. It's your call.

[Charlie Chalk]

Good point CT - not one I'd thought of. Many thanks for raising this - I'll let Admin know.
 

[CoolTiger]

Good point CT - not one I'd thought of. Many thanks for raising this - I'll let Admin know.
 

 

[kingkong69]

I am leaning towards  a postive,Is nice to hear from Ellie on her side of the story, I think I would pay her a visit..

[Diehard]

Thanks Charlie.

You're perfectly entitled to have not fully enjoyed the booking and again I'm sorry it wasn't as good as you were hoping it would be. I feel terrible about it. Guess I just felt like I needed to defend myself a bit on here though as you had seemed really happy when you were with me and I feel like I work hard at escorting to get so many positive reviews.

Just a friendly piece of advise (which isn't meant to be patronising by the way) - if you feel too awkward during a booking to tell the escort that you're disappointed with something she's doing (and I totally get that) then maybe a good option would be to say something along the lines of 'that feels nice but it would really turn me on if you did it like this'. Most escorts will be grateful for a little bit of guidance if it means the client is going to leave fully happy, as after all every client likes things completely differently so it can be tricky to get things absolutely spot on for them all if they don't voice what they want and just pretend that it all feels great.

Coming off here now but have a good Christmas both of you.
Cheers
Elle x

Bit of friendly advise Ellie which isn't meant to be patronising. If you claim to offer French kissing, if it isn't deep heavy French kissing with tongues at back of each other's throats then specify on your profile it is only light French kissing you offer.

[NervousJ]

Is it just me or has Elle jumped up everyone's hot list....

Just me then... Ha ha ha, oh well....

[RedKettle]

Is it just me or has Elle jumped up everyone's hot list....

Just me then... Ha ha ha, oh well....

I was thinking that as well - ironically I culled my HL only a few days ago as it was getting overwhelmingly long and I removed her.  May put her back.

[GolfNut]

On reflection and looking at Charlie's reservations I think I have identified the difference between us and the real reasons for your neutral.

I really enjoy a girl who can let go, have a good time and maybe even have an orgasm or two. I can usually spot the fakers, though I assume some are just such actors even I can't spot them. Hats off to them!

Then on the other hand there are the girls who give great blow jobs, are good shags, and are totally attentive to delivering a good time regardless of whether they are enjoying it and usually give no hint of enjoyment when you attempt to tend to their needs. They also tend to want you out of the door once they've done their job.

Elle is definitely the former, and so I reckon when she was getting off with Charlie's good oral work, he was wondering why she wasn't paying him the attention he was paying for while she was happily cumming on his face.

I've found that the most highly recommended girls tend to fall into the first category. But that does not mean that they are actually the best girls. It just means that perhaps more guys like to feel that they can give a girl pleasure.

We all know that sex with the Missus is both infrequent and fairly routine and inevitably has lost that spark, so this is partly what we look for in a punt.

Maybe that explains, or not?

[NervousJ]

I agree I think...

I'd be happy to see a girl properly enjoying what I was doing, to the point of sacking me off... You'd expect the roles to be reversed  not so far down the line...so I'd be happy to carry on..

Although I am always wary that they may be acting... In fact I always think they are...I suppose it depends what you want or expect from a punt, and the type of person you are I guess...everyone is different and wants different things...

A bit like boobs or bums... It would be boring if we all wanted the same thing, or expected the same thing...

I'd take it as a massive compliment Charlie, mi thinks the lady was enjoying it....

[Elle-2013]

I'd be exhausted if I had to fake orgasms for my bookings. I'm a terrible actress and it would be very obvious and cringy for both of us if I tried haha. I definitely had genuine orgasms with Charlie, to the point I literally thought i'd explode. I think if i'd carried on sucking him off during the 69 whilst I was cumming then there might have been a messy incident of me biting down on him from the intensity of it all 
I'd like to think that I also service the clients needs as much as possible too, and Charlie certainly came bucket loads during the sex. He had stipulated before the booking that he was very vanilla and a bit nervous about so maybe that's why i held back a bit with the dfk and owo as didn't want to be too forceful. My bad and all I can do to avoid any disappointment again with future clients is to make sure I clarify exactly what they are looking for at the start of each booking instead of assuming I know what they want. Just to clear up that I do offer dfk and I love it!

I've never said I'm the best fuck in the world, and even though I've been doing this a long time I'm still learning how to keep so many different personality types satisfied with my services. I put effort and enthusiasm into all my bookings as I love escorting and the thrill it gives me, but it didn't completely pay off this time with Charlie. I've  spoken to him privately and hopefully I'll get to try and change his opinion one day soon 

[TheNewSeeker]

I dunno; we're all different, but can't help thinking punters who o not know how to take the lead, are a tad unassertive or inexperienced or whatever can lose out. I get the feeling if the OP had said he's a shy, but likes a girl to give him a darned good snog he'd have got one. Even ask her if you can be sub! Some girls also take a while to get the experience to better read punters needs and daresay it's not always possible without clear signals. There's plent of punters who say they don't even like kissing WGs. Credit to both for the mature exchange of thoughts though. We are all learning and can take something from that

[Bangers and Gash]

I've  spoken to him privately and hopefully I'll get to try and change his opinion one day soon 

Great. So you've no further need to keep coming on here with your PR bollocks. 

[j122]

I think if i'd carried on sucking him off during the 69 whilst I was cumming then there might have been a messy incident of me biting down on him from the intensity of it all

  I worry about that happening all the time!