true, i do see your point. the only thing is, with the tantric it seems like a more 'profesional outfit in that no hassle. just call the place up, set up an appointment for a 'massage, and show up. with the AW, seems like more of a process, and a gray area for a first timer. but still, i do agree with you, will try for a 30 min AW first, checking to see reviewes here first, and see how it goes, thanks