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Offline Jimmyredcab

Anyone who thinks a Romanian girl could come to London unaided and set herself up on adultwork plus rent a flat are not just deluded they are in denial.

Some of you are just interested in the cheapest rate, I prefer seeing girls who are not being pressured into seeing 12 punters a day in a 16 hour shift. 

sensualmsx

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Oh my , where to begin. First of all , I myself am a Romanian wg, and after reading all the posts that wore made on this threat i am shocked and also sad to see how so many of you can be so judgemental and after reading the posts some of you made on this threat i am shocked and sad to see some of you have so strong opinions about ro wg ,and some of you have not even seen any ro wg. First of all the short word for Romania/Romanian is RO not ROM ( Rom means gypsy, ), second of all how dare you all be so rude as in to call us all ro wg scumbags or filthy whores etc or to say that we have '' a bug that exists only in ro '' ( that one actually made me laugh :) i had read 11 pages where 90% of the people here called Romania a shithole country and other fllatering words , have you ever been to Romania? I bet not , or say that Romanian's are seen as the lowest of the nationalities ( do you know that for a fact , can you show me an exact study that say's that?)how come you think its polite and civilized to simply insult a country that you have never seen in your life and, what gives any of you the right to say all romanian wg are filthy , or have std or whatever other insults , some of you used words far more insulting then what I've just said. As some of you said here unles you have punted with every ro wg then you do not have the right to generalize, of course everyone is entitled to theire own opinion but i see no reason to start insulting each other, as Sofia said in a post some of you jumped when you heard somebody say about English girls that they are dirty, now imagine how would i or any other Romanian wg feel to read what some of you people say about us. Yes i do agree there are ro's that give bad service but there are also english/polish/bulgarian etc who give bad service, nationality has nothing to do with it, every person is a individual with different thoughts, feeling's, behaviour etc.
I came to London one year ago, ro need's no visa as we've been part of the EU for 5 years now, you could work legally as a ro here , you just need to apply for national insurance number and so one there are a  few steps to take but you can work legally, not all the romanians that came here before 2014 came here illegal .
Yes i do work for an agency and it was my choice and my choice entirely , not because i speak poor english , or because i needed somebody to get me in this country,or i needed a flat, i dont have a scary pimp nor do i cry myself to bed at night :). I give 100% and more in my job because i enjoy what i do and i give a good service because i believe people should get their money's worth ( if you go to a restaurant you want a good service from the waiter as this is his job , i see escorting kinda in the same way , its all about customer service , right?:) )
Of course everybody has the right to his own opinion , but I truly see no reason why some of you feel the need to be so rude , and simply show total lack of manners and decency, you are just discriminating a nationality based on some unhappy punts some of you or others just on things that you heard.
Of course you need to be careful with your punts , but being careful means doing research , doing research means reading the feedback escorts have. if lets say a ro girl has 70 good feedbacks then they can't all be fake and 70 people can't all be wrong , doing research dose not mean saying that you ''wont touch a ro wg with a stick full of shit '', that means lack of education and bad manners ( to say the less )
I am not trying to say go and see ro girls we are the best, i am just saying try to treat us with the minimum of respect all people deserve.
I wish you all a Happy New Year!  :angelgirl:

Offline Steve2

Anyone who thinks a Romanian girl could come to London unaided and set herself up on adultwork plus rent a flat are not just deluded they are in denial.

Some of you are just interested in the cheapest rate, I prefer seeing girls who are not being pressured into seeing 12 punters a day in a 16 hour shift.

Keep banging the drum Jimbo

You rarely if ever, see girls and you certainly wouldn't see a Romanian, but you "know" they are all being pressured to work by huge Romanian thugs and forced to see 12 punters a day

Total BOLLOCKS

 :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

Offline smiths

Oh my , where to begin. First of all , I myself am a Romanian wg, and after reading all the posts that wore made on this threat i am shocked and also sad to see how so many of you can be so judgemental and after reading the posts some of you made on this threat i am shocked and sad to see some of you have so strong opinions about ro wg ,and some of you have not even seen any ro wg. First of all the short word for Romania/Romanian is RO not ROM ( Rom means gypsy, ), second of all how dare you all be so rude as in to call us all ro wg scumbags or filthy whores etc or to say that we have '' a bug that exists only in ro '' ( that one actually made me laugh :) i had read 11 pages where 90% of the people here called Romania a shithole country and other fllatering words , have you ever been to Romania? I bet not , or say that Romanian's are seen as the lowest of the nationalities ( do you know that for a fact , can you show me an exact study that say's that?)how come you think its polite and civilized to simply insult a country that you have never seen in your life and, what gives any of you the right to say all romanian wg are filthy , or have std or whatever other insults , some of you used words far more insulting then what I've just said. As some of you said here unles you have punted with every ro wg then you do not have the right to generalize, of course everyone is entitled to theire own opinion but i see no reason to start insulting each other, as Sofia said in a post some of you jumped when you heard somebody say about English girls that they are dirty, now imagine how would i or any other Romanian wg feel to read what some of you people say about us. Yes i do agree there are ro's that give bad service but there are also english/polish/bulgarian etc who give bad service, nationality has nothing to do with it, every person is a individual with different thoughts, feeling's, behaviour etc.
I came to London one year ago, ro need's no visa as we've been part of the EU for 5 years now, you could work legally as a ro here , you just need to apply for national insurance number and so one there are a  few steps to take but you can work legally, not all the romanians that came here before 2014 came here illegal .
Yes i do work for an agency and it was my choice and my choice entirely , not because i speak poor english , or because i needed somebody to get me in this country,or i needed a flat, i dont have a scary pimp nor do i cry myself to bed at night :). I give 100% and more in my job because i enjoy what i do and i give a good service because i believe people should get their money's worth ( if you go to a restaurant you want a good service from the waiter as this is his job , i see escorting kinda in the same way , its all about customer service , right?:) )
Of course everybody has the right to his own opinion , but I truly see no reason why some of you feel the need to be so rude , and simply show total lack of manners and decency, you are just discriminating a nationality based on some unhappy punts some of you or others just on things that you heard.
Of course you need to be careful with your punts , but being careful means doing research , doing research means reading the feedback escorts have. if lets say a ro girl has 70 good feedbacks then they can't all be fake and 70 people can't all be wrong , doing research dose not mean saying that you ''wont touch a ro wg with a stick full of shit '', that means lack of education and bad manners ( to say the less )
I am not trying to say go and see ro girls we are the best, i am just saying try to treat us with the minimum of respect all people deserve.
I wish you all a Happy New Year!  :angelgirl:

The problem is RO is short for Reverse Oral aka Cunnilingus, licking a WG out so is already used as an abbreviation in punting and on here by some.

sensualmsx

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I think the problem is that the only reply you can give to my post is the definition of reverse oral  :hi: . And also I am sure people here are smart enough to understand a word/abbreviation in a certain context  ;)



Offline smiths

I think the problem is that the only reply you can give to my post is the definition of reverse oral  :hi: . And also I am sure people here are smart enough to understand a word/abbreviation in a certain context  ;)

Really, i was trying to give you a reason RO wont become widely used in my view. I have always posted i go on the individual myself not where they happen to come from. A quick read of very recent threads on this board would show you that. I suggest instead of getting arsey with me you take time to find out who it is that holds the views you disagree with. Up to you of course, a couple of posts in and you are getting arsey, not a good start in my experience.

sensualmsx

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Well in that case i apologize for my acid response , but i saw your post as an ironic one , might be my bad then, im not trying to make an entrance on this forum i am simply stating my thoughts on this topic like all of us here. And of course i am arsey as you say , you try reading 11 pages where 90% of the people here are trashing your country and you as a individual ( because some clearly say that all Romanian wg are this and that ) and see how every person that has something nice to say is either ignored or shut down instantly with mainly insults rather then solid arguments and you probably wont be a ray a sunshine yourself, don't you think so?

SirPhilipXX

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Oh my , where to begin. First of all , I myself am a Romanian wg, and after reading all the posts that wore made on this threat i am shocked and also sad to see how so many of you can be so judgemental and after reading the posts some of you made on this threat i am shocked and sad to see some of you have so strong opinions about ro wg ,and some of you have not even seen any ro wg. First of all the short word for Romania/Romanian is RO not ROM ( Rom means gypsy, ), second of all how dare you all be so rude as in to call us all ro wg scumbags or filthy whores etc or to say that we have '' a bug that exists only in ro '' ( that one actually made me laugh :) i had read 11 pages where 90% of the people here called Romania a shithole country and other fllatering words , have you ever been to Romania? I bet not , or say that Romanian's are seen as the lowest of the nationalities ( do you know that for a fact , can you show me an exact study that say's that?)how come you think its polite and civilized to simply insult a country that you have never seen in your life and, what gives any of you the right to say all romanian wg are filthy , or have std or whatever other insults , some of you used words far more insulting then what I've just said. As some of you said here unles you have punted with every ro wg then you do not have the right to generalize, of course everyone is entitled to theire own opinion but i see no reason to start insulting each other, as Sofia said in a post some of you jumped when you heard somebody say about English girls that they are dirty, now imagine how would i or any other Romanian wg feel to read what some of you people say about us. Yes i do agree there are ro's that give bad service but there are also english/polish/bulgarian etc who give bad service, nationality has nothing to do with it, every person is a individual with different thoughts, feeling's, behaviour etc.
I came to London one year ago, ro need's no visa as we've been part of the EU for 5 years now, you could work legally as a ro here , you just need to apply for national insurance number and so one there are a  few steps to take but you can work legally, not all the romanians that came here before 2014 came here illegal .
Yes i do work for an agency and it was my choice and my choice entirely , not because i speak poor english , or because i needed somebody to get me in this country,or i needed a flat, i dont have a scary pimp nor do i cry myself to bed at night :). I give 100% and more in my job because i enjoy what i do and i give a good service because i believe people should get their money's worth ( if you go to a restaurant you want a good service from the waiter as this is his job , i see escorting kinda in the same way , its all about customer service , right?:) )
Of course everybody has the right to his own opinion , but I truly see no reason why some of you feel the need to be so rude , and simply show total lack of manners and decency, you are just discriminating a nationality based on some unhappy punts some of you or others just on things that you heard.
Of course you need to be careful with your punts , but being careful means doing research , doing research means reading the feedback escorts have. if lets say a ro girl has 70 good feedbacks then they can't all be fake and 70 people can't all be wrong , doing research dose not mean saying that you ''wont touch a ro wg with a stick full of shit '', that means lack of education and bad manners ( to say the less )
I am not trying to say go and see ro girls we are the best, i am just saying try to treat us with the minimum of respect all people deserve.
I wish you all a Happy New Year!  :angelgirl:

I realise you feel strongly about the way Romanians are described by some posters on this forum, sensualmsx; I for one was interested to hear your views and I think that much of your criticism is well deserved. But please realise that not everyone on UKP holds the extreme views about Romanian WGs that you object to. There are undoubtably some excellent Romanian WGs working in the UK, many of us have had the pleasure of meeting them and have posted positive reviews on this site.

It is widely believed in the UK, and often stated in this forum,  that most Romanian girls working here are 'managed' by Romanian gangsters who control every aspect of their work: their accommodation, Adultwork profile, working hours, rates charged, and their freedom to travel or to leave the group. It is also believed that some Romanian girls may be coerced or made to work here as prostitutes against their will.

I am interested to know whether you think that this is the case? And if is it true that some girls are controlled by gangs of Romanian thugs, what percentage are we talking about? You have said that you work for an agency, is this run by Romanians? 
Have you ever been made to work against your will? Also, are some Romanian WGs working in the UK genuinely independently? Your input would be most helpful.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Keep banging the drum Jimbo

You rarely if ever, see girls and you certainly wouldn't see a Romanian, but you "know" they are all being pressured to work by huge Romanian thugs and forced to see 12 punters a day

Total BOLLOCKS

 :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

You would say that, cheap prices are all that matters to you.       :hi: :hi:

Offline punk

Oh my , where to begin. First of all , I myself am a Romanian wg, and after reading all the posts that wore made on this threat i am shocked and also sad to see how so many of you can be so judgemental and after reading the posts some of you made on this threat i am shocked and sad to see some of you have so strong opinions about ro wg ,and some of you have not even seen any ro wg. First of all the short word for Romania/Romanian is RO not ROM ( Rom means gypsy, ), second of all how dare you all be so rude as in to call us all ro wg scumbags or filthy whores etc or to say that we have '' a bug that exists only in ro '' ( that one actually made me laugh :) i had read 11 pages where 90% of the people here called Romania a shithole country and other fllatering words , have you ever been to Romania? I bet not , or say that Romanian's are seen as the lowest of the nationalities ( do you know that for a fact , can you show me an exact study that say's that?)how come you think its polite and civilized to simply insult a country that you have never seen in your life and, what gives any of you the right to say all romanian wg are filthy , or have std or whatever other insults , some of you used words far more insulting then what I've just said. As some of you said here unles you have punted with every ro wg then you do not have the right to generalize, of course everyone is entitled to theire own opinion but i see no reason to start insulting each other, as Sofia said in a post some of you jumped when you heard somebody say about English girls that they are dirty, now imagine how would i or any other Romanian wg feel to read what some of you people say about us. Yes i do agree there are ro's that give bad service but there are also english/polish/bulgarian etc who give bad service, nationality has nothing to do with it, every person is a individual with different thoughts, feeling's, behaviour etc.
I came to London one year ago, ro need's no visa as we've been part of the EU for 5 years now, you could work legally as a ro here , you just need to apply for national insurance number and so one there are a  few steps to take but you can work legally, not all the romanians that came here before 2014 came here illegal .
Yes i do work for an agency and it was my choice and my choice entirely , not because i speak poor english , or because i needed somebody to get me in this country,or i needed a flat, i dont have a scary pimp nor do i cry myself to bed at night :). I give 100% and more in my job because i enjoy what i do and i give a good service because i believe people should get their money's worth ( if you go to a restaurant you want a good service from the waiter as this is his job , i see escorting kinda in the same way , its all about customer service , right?:) )
Of course everybody has the right to his own opinion , but I truly see no reason why some of you feel the need to be so rude , and simply show total lack of manners and decency, you are just discriminating a nationality based on some unhappy punts some of you or others just on things that you heard.
Of course you need to be careful with your punts , but being careful means doing research , doing research means reading the feedback escorts have. if lets say a ro girl has 70 good feedbacks then they can't all be fake and 70 people can't all be wrong , doing research dose not mean saying that you ''wont touch a ro wg with a stick full of shit '', that means lack of education and bad manners ( to say the less )
I am not trying to say go and see ro girls we are the best, i am just saying try to treat us with the minimum of respect all people deserve.
I wish you all a Happy New Year!  :angelgirl:

you should look at your own country before any thing else and judging.How the roma are treated is a joke.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2014, 12:48:55 pm by punk »

Offline Steve2

You would say that, cheap prices are all that matters to you.       :hi: :hi:

More bollocks Jimbo. What has price got to do with Romanians forced to work?

Most Romanians in London have listened to your advice and are charging £100/hr

 :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

Offline Jimmyredcab

More bollocks Jimbo. What has price got to do with Romanians forced to work?

Most Romanians in London have listened to your advice and are charging £100/hr

 :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

I gave you a valid link yesterday regarding a pimp being prosecuted, you suggested that the newspaper had got it wrong, I gave you a link from a totally different newspaper which you chose to ignore.

If you truly believe these Romanians are independent then you are living in a fantasy world.     :crazy: :crazy:

You can say something is bollocks, that doesn't make it bollocks.    :hi:

Tim20

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Well it's the 15th of January and I've seen no Romanian wags yet !! Mind u I've only been in Romania for 2 weeks !!

nickkk

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I gave you a valid link yesterday regarding a pimp being prosecuted, you suggested that the newspaper had got it wrong, I gave you a link from a totally different newspaper which you chose to ignore.

If you truly believe these Romanians are independent then you are living in a fantasy world.     :crazy: :crazy:

You can say something is bollocks, that doesn't make it bollocks.    :hi:

The link you gave yesterday was not about Romanians :D

Offline Jimmyredcab

The link you gave yesterday was not about Romanians :D

Correct it was Hungarians.

Are you suggesting that the same thing does not happen with Romanians.    :unknown: :unknown: :unknown:

Offline punk

Well it's the 15th of January and I've seen no Romanian wags yet !! Mind u I've only been in Romania for 2 weeks !!

hope you are having a great time.

sensualmsx

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SirPhilipXXX i do realise that not everyone on this forum feels so strong about Romanians , that is why i always said ''some of you''. And i also know that some of the Romanian girls have good feedback on this forum , as i that happens I am one of them :yahoo: :)) but i also know that there are people here that shut down one of the guys that said that, saying that i should be avoided ,the main reason being that i am Romanian and that i work with an agency ( the person of course never had the pleasure or not :) to meet me) and that is again something that i find unfair.
Then about the girls that are ''managed'' about gangs/pimps, i have no knowledge of an exact percentage as i never done any research about it i am sure they exist and I feel sorry for them i can not imagine anything more sad then to be forced into doing this job against your will, I for once always said that if somebody does this just for the money it must be one of the most depressing job's in the world , i could never do it if the only thing that would make me do it would be the money , but once again i never had to deal with this so to say dark side of the industry.
Yes I do work with an agency , no the person that run's the agency is not Romanian ,but I don't think the origin is important, what is important though I think is that it is a person that first of all understands that she works for me and not the other way around , hence why I am paying her a commission. I choose my own rates , I decide the services that i want to provide ( i have never been forced to do anything against my will) , I decide my working day/hours and I decide who i want or don't want to see. So all this being said i don't think that I am being pimped or any of the things some people might think about agency's, the way i see it I am just paying somebody to do my advertising  and to answer my calls , and i see no way in which this affect the quality of the services that I am providing
I personally don't know any Romanian girls that work as indie but then again I don't know a lot of escorts either :) i am sure there are some, but from what i said above i feel like i work independent even though i work with an agency i could go indie any time , I simply chose not to .
































Offline punk

SirPhilipXXX i do realise that not everyone on this forum feels so strong about Romanians , that is why i always said ''some of you''. And i also know that some of the Romanian girls have good feedback on this forum , as i that happens I am one of them :yahoo: :)) but i also know that there are people here that shut down one of the guys that said that, saying that i should be avoided ,the main reason being that i am Romanian and that i work with an agency ( the person of course never had the pleasure or not :) to meet me) and that is again something that i find unfair.
Then about the girls that are ''managed'' about gangs/pimps, i have no knowledge of an exact percentage as i never done any research about it i am sure they exist and I feel sorry for them i can not imagine anything more sad then to be forced into doing this job against your will, I for once always said that if somebody does this just for the money it must be one of the most depressing job's in the world , i could never do it if the only thing that would make me do it would be the money , but once again i never had to deal with this so to say dark side of the industry.
Yes I do work with an agency , no the person that run's the agency is not Romanian ,but I don't think the origin is important, what is important though I think is that it is a person that first of all understands that she works for me and not the other way around , hence why I am paying her a commission. I choose my own rates , I decide the services that i want to provide ( i have never been forced to do anything against my will) , I decide my working day/hours and I decide who i want or don't want to see. So all this being said i don't think that I am being pimped or any of the things some people might think about agency's, the way i see it I am just paying somebody to do my advertising  and to answer my calls , and i see no way in which this affect the quality of the services that I am providing
I personally don't know any Romanian girls that work as indie but then again I don't know a lot of escorts either :) i am sure there are some, but from what i said above i feel like i work independent even though i work with an agency i could go indie any time , I simply chose not to .

in other words you work for a pimp, heared this term agency from polish and hungrian girls. :hi: 

sensualmsx

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If you want to limit yourself to extracting that idea from all that i said is your choice, but lets talk on your own terms lets say that yes I work for a pimp ( i do not agree with this statement , I am just playing along), I am not forced to work for that ''pimp'' as i stated above , i choose everything from my working hours, rates to people i want to see , the number of punters I want to see from even choosing my ''pimp'' I can leave or stay as long as I want with my ''pimp'' the service that i give is always the best i can give and i never try to waste anybody's time or money , and I am more the happy to work for that ''pimp'', where is the harm in that I can not see the problem, can you explain it to me?

Offline gonanigo

Correct it was Hungarians.

Are you suggesting that the same thing does not happen with Romanians.    :unknown: :unknown: :unknown:

Jim, you're most likely right in that some Romanians are being exploited. I don't think anyone could say otherwise and no one is saying otherwise.

But when you wheel out an article about Hungarian sex trafficking to support your 'Romanian WGs exploitation' argument, it doesn't stand. It's like saying all Toyota cars are shit because the news reported that some Accords were badly built.

I look at it this way: pimps are agents, some agents do good work and everyone's happy; some pimps/agents are dickheads and exploits their clients, it happens, not just in sex works. Obviously the likelihood of pimps being dangerous people is higher than the Adecco guy in an office, but it would be unfair to assert all Romanians are being pimped/exploited or all pimps are Romanian gangsters and neither statements are true.


Offline smiths

If you want to limit yourself to extracting that idea from all that i said is your choice, but lets talk on your own terms lets say that yes I work for a pimp ( i do not agree with this statement , I am just playing along), I am not forced to work for that ''pimp'' as i stated above , i choose everything from my working hours, rates to people i want to see , the number of punters I want to see from even choosing my ''pimp'' I can leave or stay as long as I want with my ''pimp'' the service that i give is always the best i can give and i never try to waste anybody's time or money , and I am more the happy to work for that ''pimp'', where is the harm in that I can not see the problem, can you explain it to me?

If you get work from an Agency who gets you your punters in exchange for an agreed cut of your fees they are a pimp and could get done for controlling a prostitute for gain and running a brothel if like a few Agencies i read about they also supply the premises you work out of similar to what Parlours do. You arent breaking the law or your punters, but the third party, in your case the Agency are. Whether the police would be bothered though when in my areas illegal brothels are allowed to operate is another thing.

So in your case you have a pimp who you pay an agreed cut to voluntarily for whatever reason that suits you. To me this set-up is your own business and as no force is involved not a problem to me. In London i no longer punt through Agencies as all they do is ensure the price i pay is too high for my liking. Of course the idea with Agencies and Parlours is they work for you, however as we have heard and i have been told by WGs that have gone Indie this often isnt how it really works, the pimp says jump and the WG jumps or doesnt get many punters. As you say this doesnt happen with you, good for you.

Offline smiths

Jim, you're most likely right in that some Romanians are being exploited. I don't think anyone could say otherwise and no one is saying otherwise.

But when you wheel out an article about Hungarian sex trafficking to support your 'Romanian WGs exploitation' argument, it doesn't stand. It's like saying all Toyota cars are shit because the news reported that some Accords were badly built.

I look at it this way: pimps are agents, some agents do good work and everyone's happy; some pimps/agents are dickheads and exploits their clients, it happens, not just in sex works. Obviously the likelihood of pimps being dangerous people is higher than the Adecco guy in an office, but it would be unfair to assert all Romanians are being pimped/exploited or all pimps are Romanian gangsters and neither statements are true.

Good post but i wouldnt of used the word exploited. Many WGs are prepared to be exploited, its when it becomes forced where i have a problem. Some WGs sadly will be forced but many arent and the known provable facts of convictions dont prove many are forced either. Jim wheels out individual cases to try to support his argument, individual cases dont prove anything more than those poor women were being forced of course. Its why i view everything on a case by case basis, what applies to one doesnt necessarily for another. All about proof by way of convictions for me, not unproven hearsay or what a punter thinks is the case in his opinion. Not saying its not a problem, one woman being forced is one too many for my liking but i put it into perspective, clearly some dont in my view.

In addition if a punter doesnt wish to punt with Romanians who he knows are Romanians then obviously he isnt being forced to, its his free choice, just look elsewhere. I see no point why such a punter attempts to impose his dislike of them on others, including some who have had good punts with Romanians so know he is posting rubbish from their own contrary experiences. We have had enough credible punters in my view post positive experiences with Romanian WGs to show some are good, some are bad just like with any WG. What defines that isnt where they happen to come from in reality but their own individual attitude.

SirPhilipXX

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If you want to limit yourself to extracting that idea from all that i said is your choice, but lets talk on your own terms lets say that yes I work for a pimp ( i do not agree with this statement , I am just playing along), I am not forced to work for that ''pimp'' as i stated above , i choose everything from my working hours, rates to people i want to see , the number of punters I want to see from even choosing my ''pimp'' I can leave or stay as long as I want with my ''pimp'' the service that i give is always the best i can give and i never try to waste anybody's time or money , and I am more the happy to work for that ''pimp'', where is the harm in that I can not see the problem, can you explain it to me?

"Pimp" is certainly a derogatory term, but essentially whether you instead call him (or her) an agent, manager or whatever, it amounts to the same thing. Since you say you chose everything yourself, who on earth do you need an agent? It is simplicity itself to run your own website and AW profile these days, all you need is a smartphone or tablet. I don't know what cut your agent takes but typically it is around 40%, so you are either forced to work for much less than an independent does, or price yourself higher in which case you lose business.

Do you read and answer your emails sent to you on AW? I remember once exchanging a series of increasingly intimate and explicit emails with a WG I wished to book, only to discover later from the girl in question that she had not seen any of them - I had been corresponding with her pimp, a 55 year old man! Not a nice feeling.

I believe that most punters dislike agents/pimps: they like to think that all of their hard-earned cash is going to the WG they are meeting. I would never knowingly book any WG who was not independent.

nickkk

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Correct it was Hungarians.

Are you suggesting that the same thing does not happen with Romanians.    :unknown: :unknown: :unknown:
I'm suggesting you dont like Romanians. You have no proof to support your words, you never seen a Romanian WG, but you only have bad comments about them!!!

Offline jesus_jones

In addition if a punter doesnt wish to punt with Romanians who he knows are Romanians then obviously he isnt being forced to, its his free choice, just look elsewhere. I see no point why such a punter attempts to impose his dislike of them on others, including some who have had good punts with Romanians so know he is posting rubbish from their own contrary experiences. We have had enough credible punters in my view post positive experiences with Romanian WGs to show some are good, some are bad just like with any WG. What defines that isnt where they happen to come from in reality but their own individual attitude.

Amen. Live and let live. Some people like Dom/being fucked in the ass, which isn't my cup of tea. Do I post in threads or reviews relating to this? No, because I have nothing to offer to the discussion.

It's getting beyond tedious to find the same racist (there is no other word for it) comments in every thread to do with Romanian wg's. If you don't like punting Romanians or just dislike Romanians in general, then fine, but please refrain from shiting on perfectly legitimate and helpful reviews/discussions just because you have a racial agenda. Nobody wants to hear it.

Offline punk

If you want to limit yourself to extracting that idea from all that i said is your choice, but lets talk on your own terms lets say that yes I work for a pimp ( i do not agree with this statement , I am just playing along), I am not forced to work for that ''pimp'' as i stated above , i choose everything from my working hours, rates to people i want to see , the number of punters I want to see from even choosing my ''pimp'' I can leave or stay as long as I want with my ''pimp'' the service that i give is always the best i can give and i never try to waste anybody's time or money , and I am more the happy to work for that ''pimp'', where is the harm in that I can not see the problem, can you explain it to me?

there are many different kinds of pimps,thats all,you know that as well as i do,some are flexible and easier to work with than others, you choose agency,i say pimp,splitting hairs,by the law whether you say their an agency,who ever organise this agency are loving off the proceeds  of prostitution which is a criminal offensive.so you telling me you did not give any commission to this agency for helping you set your self up in your business.

personally i got no problem its your life,thou you and the agency should be paying tax. :unknown:
« Last Edit: January 15, 2014, 06:07:11 pm by punk »

Offline sumertime

Why is there all this hot air.... are Romanians that different? I had a very good friend (just friend) who made her way here on her own six years ago - spoke 6 languages, Uni Degree and attractive - a damned good worker but UK would not give her a work permit! She wanted to train as a nurse.... The only work she could do was self employed (she cleaned). She has left now and works in Spain [a loss to UK].

I have spent time in Romania and it had suffered under the old regime - but so had much of Europe in one way or another. I met good people and bad people just like I do in UK.

Most of the Romanian WGs I have met are quite attractive and slim. Two in their own rooms were horrendous, two were excellent and a couple in hotels were outstanding.

I suppose it seems that the scams and B&S are mostly orchestrated by Romanian teams and that is why we take extra care (or resent them for spoiling the game).

Offline Steve2

I gave you a valid link yesterday regarding a pimp being prosecuted, you suggested that the newspaper had got it wrong, I gave you a link from a totally different newspaper which you chose to ignore.

If you truly believe these Romanians are independent then you are living in a fantasy world.     :crazy: :crazy:

You can say something is bollocks, that doesn't make it bollocks.    :hi:

I give up with you JImbo

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Offline tom269u001

Anyone who thinks a Romanian girl could come to London unaided and set herself up on adultwork plus rent a flat are not just deluded they are in denial.

Some of you are just interested in the cheapest rate, I prefer seeing girls who are not being pressured into seeing 12 punters a day in a 16 hour shift.

We all know as to whom is in denial!

Adam, can we have a "change the record" icon for you know who?

Online akauya

Come on lads, give Jimmy a break. He's only feeling cranky and taking it out on Romanians because, as he said it himself, he hasn't punted for a while. He's probably seriously missing sucking tranny cocks in Pattaya or getting his arse fucked at the London retreat. I'm sure once he gets his fix he will be a jolly fella again :)


Offline Jimmyredcab

Come on lads, give Jimmy a break. He's only feeling cranky and taking it out on Romanians because, as he said it himself, he hasn't punted for a while. He's probably seriously missing sucking tranny cocks in Pattaya or getting his arse fucked at the London retreat. I'm sure once he gets his fix he will be a jolly fella again :)

You just carry on shagging fourth rate controlled Romanians, as long as they are cheap obviously.  :rolleyes:

bigdaddykane

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as for me i avoid them -Romanian Hungarian or polish- cos one way or the other they are controlled by a gang or by some guy they claim
to be their 'boyfriend'
by seeing these WGs ,you are encouraging the barbaric act of human trafficking- and thts the truth.

SirPhilipXX

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as for me i avoid them -Romanian Hungarian or polish- cos one way or the other they are controlled by a gang or by some guy they claim
to be their 'boyfriend'
by seeing these WGs ,you are encouraging the barbaric act of human trafficking- and thts the truth.

If you had been following the posts on this subject over the last 24 hours you would realise that this remark is rubbish.

Offline Daffodil

as for me i avoid them -Romanian Hungarian or polish- cos one way or the other they are controlled by a gang or by some guy they claim
to be their 'boyfriend'
by seeing these WGs ,you are encouraging the barbaric act of human trafficking- and thts the truth.

This post is clearly bollocks and deserves very little time.

In terms of the thread in general, I don't understand why people who think that a girl from Eastern Europe, who has had help coming here and setting up her prossie 'business', is definitely trafficked. There are plenty of English girls who are thick as shit and need walking through the whole process. Agencies provide a lot of the services that people are saying automatically mean the girl is trafficked.

Trafficking clearly does occur, but I don't think it happens often. Or at least not at a level where most punters operate. If I was a trafficker, would I openly advertise the girls on Adultwork?

It's good that many here are 'trafficking aware', but I think each case must be judged on its own merits and not a blanket statement made about a whole group.

Offline smiths

This post is clearly bollocks and deserves very little time.

In terms of the thread in general, I don't understand why people who think that a girl from Eastern Europe, who has had help coming here and setting up her prossie 'business', is definitely trafficked. There are plenty of English girls who are thick as shit and need walking through the whole process. Agencies provide a lot of the services that people are saying automatically mean the girl is trafficked.

Trafficking clearly does occur, but I don't think it happens often. Or at least not at a level where most punters operate. If I was a trafficker, would I openly advertise the girls on Adultwork?

It's good that many here are 'trafficking aware', but I think each case must be judged on its own merits and not a blanket statement made about a whole group.

Excellent post. :thumbsup:

James999

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I don't understand why people who think that a girl from Eastern Europe, who has had help coming here and setting up her prossie 'business', is definitely trafficked

Because under the definition of the law she is.  :hi:



sensualmsx

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Smiths , i know i am not breaking the law nor the punter , I am working from my own premises, and what the person that runs the agency does it is not my problem as it does not affect me in any way, that's why i said that i can not see the harm in working with an agency,I am not trying to praise the agency that i work for or agency's in general ( this is not what this threat is about) I was just saying that not all Romanian wg, or wg in general that work with an agency are forced or that it always have to be a dark side to it.
SirPhilipXXX I don't have any particular reason to work with an agency it's just convenient for me at the time being. Yes i read my emails on AW no i don't answer to them myself because i simply don't have the time. but i am always aware of the content of the emails, so there is never the case that a punter comes at my door and i have no idea what he wants. As for the rate I think it just reflects my services I don't think I over charge or that i am under paid , and thank god so far I can not complain of lack of business , yes maybe I am losing business because of the rate or maybe I am not , it has never been an issue to think about because it has never affected me. I understand your decision of not booking a girl that is not indie, as some will not book someone who's not blonde or whatever, it is your money and your preferences :) and i respect that. Again don't get me wrong I am not trying to promote agency's or trying to convince anyone of anything I am just saying how I see things as a Romanian happy go lucky wg :))

Offline Tailpipe

I think it's is foolish to broad brush all of one race , I suppose I have been lucky
And met some very good ones , who for the most part seem to understand
That there are some bad girls out there .

Treat each person as you find them , there is good and bad in all races.

May be there is a higher percentage of meeting a bad one than a good one.

But you pays your money and you make your choice.

This is punting and it carries high risk both ways . Pick a true indie every time .

Offline Jerboa

I have promoted Romanian WGs on here and other threads, unfortunatly some people here are ill informed, they put 2+2 together and make 5, I think what some punters have is a misconception that all RO girls are gypsies, they think they must all be dogey and run by bad gangsters. In the wider world this is also what many ill informed British people think, hence why all the stories about romanian and Bulgarians coming here, some people only think of Roma gypsies.

As I've said before, I've had good and bad punts with Romanians, but more good than bad, and it's had nothing to do with nationality, I've also had poor punts with British, Dutch, German and Lithuanian girls from recollection, it don't mean I will never see a British or German girl again.

Offline Steve2

Come on lads, give Jimmy a break. He's only feeling cranky and taking it out on Romanians because, as he said it himself, he hasn't punted for a while. He's probably seriously missing sucking tranny cocks in Pattaya or getting his arse fucked at the London retreat. I'm sure once he gets his fix he will be a jolly fella again :)

 :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

Offline Daffodil

Because under the definition of the law she is.  :hi:

Now I don't know the intricacies of this law, but surely this isn't true?

Say a girl in Romania hears how much money her mate, a prossie in the UK, 'earns' and so thinks, 'I'd like a bit of that'. She gets herself on a flight here (of her own free will), but knows she'll need help to set up. She gets in touch with the same people as her mate and they sort her out with 'working' premises, a phone, her AW profile, and then manage her bookings in return for a percentage of what she 'earns'. Now I accept they're probably breaking laws relating to being a pimp, but trafficking laws?

It's worth noting that in the above example a 'reputable' agency could also provide the services. Does that mean every agency in the country that has EEs on their books is also likely to be engaged in trafficking?

Perhaps you're saying that it becomes trafficking if they actually assist her in crossing borders, e.g. paying for her flight? Or actively recruiting in her own country?

For me personally, and it might not be true in a legal sense, if a girl is doing it of her own free then I don't consider her to be trafficked.

James999

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Now I don't know the intricacies of this law, but surely this isn't true?

I would have agreed with you, but it appears the law is somewhat wider and encompases the movement of pro$$ies, it came up in a debate on here a couple of months ago, and I'm pretty sure Smiths was in the debate if you want to search back through old posts, or just PM AnthG and get him to search for you  :rose:

Offline CBPaul

This post is clearly bollocks and deserves very little time.

In terms of the thread in general, I don't understand why people who think that a girl from Eastern Europe, who has had help coming here and setting up her prossie 'business', is definitely trafficked. There are plenty of English girls who are thick as shit and need walking through the whole process. Agencies provide a lot of the services that people are saying automatically mean the girl is trafficked.

Trafficking clearly does occur, but I don't think it happens often. Or at least not at a level where most punters operate. If I was a trafficker, would I openly advertise the girls on Adultwork?

It's good that many here are 'trafficking aware', but I think each case must be judged on its own merits and not a blanket statement made about a whole group.

Couldn't agree more. Excellent post

vorian

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This post is clearly bollocks and deserves very little time.

In terms of the thread in general, I don't understand why people who think that a girl from Eastern Europe, who has had help coming here and setting up her prossie 'business', is definitely trafficked. There are plenty of English girls who are thick as shit and need walking through the whole process. Agencies provide a lot of the services that people are saying automatically mean the girl is trafficked.

Trafficking clearly does occur, but I don't think it happens often. Or at least not at a level where most punters operate. If I was a trafficker, would I openly advertise the girls on Adultwork?

It's good that many here are 'trafficking aware', but I think each case must be judged on its own merits and not a blanket statement made about a whole group.

Agreed, a case by case basis.

Offline Jerboa

Now I don't know the intricacies of this law, but surely this isn't true?

Say a girl in Romania hears how much money her mate, a prossie in the UK, 'earns' and so thinks, 'I'd like a bit of that'. She gets herself on a flight here (of her own free will), but knows she'll need help to set up. She gets in touch with the same people as her mate and they sort her out with 'working' premises, a phone, her AW profile, and then manage her bookings in return for a percentage of what she 'earns'. Now I accept they're probably breaking laws relating to being a pimp, but trafficking laws?

It's worth noting that in the above example a 'reputable' agency could also provide the services. Does that mean every agency in the country that has EEs on their books is also likely to be engaged in trafficking?

Perhaps you're saying that it becomes trafficking if they actually assist her in crossing borders, e.g. paying for her flight? Or actively recruiting in her own country?

For me personally, and it might not be true in a legal sense, if a girl is doing it of her own free then I don't consider her to be trafficked.

Some people think that a parlour owner picking up a girl at the local station is traffiking.

sir_david

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There has been some utter, generalised nonsense spouted on this thread.
Some girls actually prefer a manageress/pimp/agency to field all the nuisance calls and filter out the time-wasters.

vorian

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There has been some utter, generalised nonsense spouted on this thread.
Some girls actually prefer a manageress/pimp/agency to field all the nuisance calls and filter out the time-wasters.

I see the point you are trying to make regarding generalisations but equally the same could be done with profiles to prove redheads are better than brunette or worse. Everyone has the choice to make and a different choice to the next punter. Racist not racist,  who I choose to punt with is my choice I could not give a flying fuck what country they come from it does not matter,  yet the forum has debate , after debate, after debate about the pros and cons of Romanian prossies. No concensus will ever be reached fact. In the mean time new and potentially informative members are put off by the back and forth about the same boring points. New members join ask for some help and advice about punting and are ignored as if their opinions have no worth.

I found out today AW only has approx 50,000 male members,  I assumed it was a lot, lot more and UKP has 10,000 active members. How many more would it have if some people focused on what is good about punting instead of what is bad. It is a forum for open and honest debate and imho should stay that way. However reviews and the peer review of these are what drives the message of putting the punter first and new members will not stay and engage with reviews if they see pointless tit for tat over subjects which people will never agree on.

SirPhilipXX

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I see the point you are trying to make regarding generalisations but equally the same could be done with profiles to prove redheads are better than brunette or worse. Everyone has the choice to make and a different choice to the next punter. Racist not racist,  who I choose to punt with is my choice I could not give a flying fuck what country they come from it does not matter,  yet the forum has debate , after debate, after debate about the pros and cons of Romanian prossies. No concensus will ever be reached fact. In the mean time new and potentially informative members are put off by the back and forth about the same boring points. New members join ask for some help and advice about punting and are ignored as if their opinions have no worth.

I found out today AW only has approx 50,000 male members,  I assumed it was a lot, lot more and UKP has 10,000 active members. How many more would it have if some people focused on what is good about punting instead of what is bad. It is a forum for open and honest debate and imho should stay that way. However reviews and the peer review of these are what drives the message of putting the punter first and new members will not stay and engage with reviews if they see pointless tit for tat over subjects which people will never agree on.

Not sure I agree - I think we know what's good about punting or we would not be here! The value of UKP is to inform and warn against the potential downside: scams, poor service, timewasters etc.

As for the Romanian debate, for every bigot and racist post there is one which is reasoned and informative. In particular it has been most interesting to hear the opinions of a Romanian WG, sensualmsx; I am glad that she has not been banned from posting.

 Many punters seem convinced that all Romanian WGs are controlled and coerced by criminal gangs; clearly this is not the case, but it is certainly a subject worth debating on this site.


Gordo987

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Well in that case i apologize for my acid response , but i saw your post as an ironic one , might be my bad then, im not trying to make an entrance on this forum i am simply stating my thoughts on this topic like all of us here. And of course i am arsey as you say , you try reading 11 pages where 90% of the people here are trashing your country and you as a individual ( because some clearly say that all Romanian wg are this and that ) and see how every person that has something nice to say is either ignored or shut down instantly with mainly insults rather then solid arguments and you probably wont be a ray a sunshine yourself, don't you think so?

Hear hear to that! :thumbsup:

vorian

  • Guest
Not sure I agree - I think we know what's good about punting or we would not be here! The value of UKP is to inform and warn against the potential downside: scams, poor service, timewasters etc.

As for the Romanian debate, for every bigot and racist post there is one which is reasoned and informative. In particular it has been most interesting to hear the opinions of a Romanian WG, sensualmsx; I am glad that she has not been banned from posting.

 Many punters seem convinced that all Romanian WGs are controlled and coerced by criminal gangs; clearly this is not the case, but it is certainly a subject worth debating on this site.

I respect your view regarding the debate and perhaps in retrospect the debate is a positive force, I stand corrected. However It does concern me greatly that potential new members and imho they might not always know what is good about punting as they may be plucking up the courage to punt for the first time and can become focused only the negatives quite easily. They might be put off UKP for a number of different reasons, so maybe we will on this occasion have to agree to differ with each other.