Why is there shame associating with working girls and punters.

[orangecolor]

This is somthing I am very guilty of myself.  Why there is a certain shame associated with being a WG and a punter.  Nobody is breaking any laws.  However, i have always felt i sense of gult and shame.  I dont know why, I am very socially liberterian.  I know some of the girls feel the same way, that is why half of them never show thier faces.
What is so messed up about British society that we feel such a way?

[Blackpool Rock]

There is a big social stigma to punting for both the girls and punters however there is also a more general a stigma towards sex and talking about it in this country dating back to Victorian times.
Things do change but it does take years for attitudes to adjust little by little one day at a time, these things are generational.
Sex before marriage; living together and unmarried mothers were all social taboos back in the 60's and many people still thought badly of these things well into the 80's.
Some people may still have issues with this however the majority of people certainly anyone under 50 or 60 basically doesn't give a shit anymore about these things but wouldn't publicly endorse prostitution though i think the younger generation in their 20's are now more open to discussing it without it being looked down on.

Personally I feel no shame whatsoever about punting and neither should anyone else so long as the girls are old enough and not being trafficked etc
Give it another 50 or 100 years when i'm no longer here and there may be little or no stigma to it but who knows this may put some people off punting as it's not edgy enough and they don't get the buzz from arranging secret punts and not being seen etc       

[Lever]

There is a big social stigma to punting for both the girls and punters however there is also a more general a stigma towards sex and talking about it in this country dating back to Victorian times.
Things do change but it does take years for attitudes to adjust little by little one day at a time, these things are generational.
Sex before marriage; living together and unmarried mothers were all social taboos back in the 60's and many people still thought badly of these things well into the 80's.
Some people may still have issues with this however the majority of people certainly anyone under 50 or 60 basically doesn't give a shit anymore about these things but wouldn't publicly endorse prostitution though i think the younger generation in their 20's are now more open to discussing it without it being looked down on.

Personally I feel no shame whatsoever about punting and neither should anyone else so long as the girls are old enough and not being trafficked etc
Give it another 50 or 100 years when i'm no longer here and there may be little or no stigma to it but who knows this may put some people off punting as it's not edgy enough and they don't get the buzz from arranging secret punts and not being seen etc     

I'm probably a bit younger than most of the posters on here (late 20s) but there's still no way I'd admit my punting activities to any of my friends. Even if they are much more socially liberal than previous generations it's still going to take a lot longer before the stigma fades. The guy who went to see a prossie when we were on a trip to Amsterdam still has the piss taken out him for it years afterwards.

The only other person I know who's admitted to seeing WGs was in the army at the time, so in the context of his other drunken stories it wasn't particularly unexpected.

[Malvolio]

It all goes back to religion and attempts to make you feel guilty about you enjoying yourself.

[Silver Birch]

I'm probably a bit younger than most of the posters on here (late 20s) but there's still no way I'd admit my punting activities to any of my friends. Even if they are much more socially liberal than previous generations it's still going to take a lot longer before the stigma fades. The guy who went to see a prossie when we were on a trip to Amsterdam still has the piss taken out him for it years afterwards.

The only other person I know who's admitted to seeing WGs was in the army at the time, so in the context of his other drunken stories it wasn't particularly unexpected.

I wish all the single punters who say they don't care who knows they punt would take notice of this. I have a mate who openly visited prostitutes and even brought one or two to the pub!! The trouble was, if he went out with a civvy, all the lads were nudging and winking and a couple of drunken ones even asked her price. My mate has been single for years now, because this reputation goes before him.

[LL]

Give it another 50 or 100 years when i'm no longer here and there may be little or no stigma to it but who knows this may put some people off punting as it's not edgy enough and they don't get the buzz from arranging secret punts and not being seen etc     

Yep. In 30 years time I can imagine my new mantra will be, "I was punting way before it was cool".

[akka76]

As soon as I moved to Hong Kong, all of the old british "whoring is bad form" stuff goes out the window. First friday drinks at work, all the lads including my boss and the owner (all brits) were talking openly about whoring, and later on we were in Wanchai. On my stag doo out there the blokes from the firm got me a threesome with a couple of flippers. Back here, I don't really talk about it, except when I meet up with other expats who know the score. It is one of the things that makes moving back tough because something so natural, amusing, interesting is off the talking table with the straights in the UK. I only know of 2 people in the Uk that I have openly spoken about whoring with before I left. One was a salesman, and the other one used to be an expat in Africa.

I spoke to my brother about it on one of his many (wasted) visits to me in Pattaya, and he said he didn't want people to think it was the only way he could be a jump was by paying for it. I pointed out he only jumped 3 different women in his life (42 at that point). I have jumped 4 that week.

I understand the women not wanting to be known as a prossie, but men should grow a pair.

[vw]

This is somthing I am very guilty of myself.  Why there is a certain shame associated with being a WG and a punter.  Nobody is breaking any laws.  However, i have always felt i sense of gult and shame.  I dont know why, I am very socially liberterian.  I know some of the girls feel the same way, that is why half of them never show thier faces.
What is so messed up about British society that we feel such a way?

Religion and pretend morality where we need to be perceived as better than others.

[OakTree]

It's quite simple really.

Ask anyone who's never punted before to describe what they think paying for sex is and most will paint it as seedy looking guys pulling up in cars to groups of girls on street corners. If not that, it's girls shipped in as sex slaves.

Most people cannot imagine a woman would do this out of choice therefore she must be desperate, forced or both. Punters are therefore regarded as lowlifes for being part of that problem. Unfortunately it's an image that mainstream media also like to encourage.

[cueball]

It's quite simple really.

Ask anyone who's never punted before to describe what they think paying for sex is and most will paint it as seedy looking guys pulling up in cars to groups of girls on street corners. If not that, it's girls shipped in as sex slaves.

Most people cannot imagine a woman would do this out of choice therefore she must be desperate, forced or both. Punters are therefore regarded as lowlifes for being part of that problem. Unfortunately it's an image that mainstream media also like to encourage.

That sums it up well.

Folk who don't know see the lasses as either desperate or drug addicted or forced and the punters as desperate seedy pervs who have to pay for it.

That's the outside view, the view from the inside is somewhat different. Admitting you're in the know from the inside is not an option for most of us though, we just nod along with it but know they're a mile off the mark.

I must admit though, I do (and always have done) get a buzz from the sneaking about.

[threechilliman]

Religion and pretend morality where we need to be perceived as better than others.

This

It's quite simple really.

Ask anyone who's never punted before to describe what they think paying for sex is and most will paint it as seedy looking guys pulling up in cars to groups of girls on street corners. If not that, it's girls shipped in as sex slaves.

Most people cannot imagine a woman would do this out of choice therefore she must be desperate, forced or both. Punters are therefore regarded as lowlifes for being part of that problem. Unfortunately it's an image that mainstream media also like to encourage.

this

That sums it up well.

Folk who don't know see the lasses as either desperate or drug addicted or forced and the punters as desperate seedy pervs who have to pay for it.

That's the outside view, the view from the inside is somewhat different. Admitting you're in the know from the inside is not an option for most of us though, we just nod along with it but know they're a mile off the mark.

I must admit though, I do (and always have done) get a buzz from the sneaking about.

and this.

tcm

[DannyJames]

A big part of the 'shame' is because of the drive of feminism. It's in women's interests to control sex. They want men to stop paying and whores to stop whoring because it neutralises the pussy as a tool of control.

[Barry Shipton]

It all goes back to religion and attempts to make you feel guilty about you enjoying yourself.

Too right - religion can make you feel guilty and shameful about having a pint and a pork pie - never mind a shag.

It's all about control - telling other people how they should live their lives and making sure they don't have too much fun. Put up with the shit in this world and your reward will come in heaven - while the preachers are snorting cocaine off a hooker's thigh or sodomising the choir boys!

[Blackpool Rock]

Yep. In 30 years time I can imagine my new mantra will be, "I was punting way before it was cool".

Yeah a bit like kids used to ask old people what they did in the war, "so grandad bet you've got some stories to tell about punting haven't you?", "well it was different back then you know, we didn't have all this Government regulation and sometimes you used to get conned with something we called a bait and switch", "a bait and what?" 

[mrdiamond77]

It's quite simple really.

Ask anyone who's never punted before to describe what they think paying for sex is and most will paint it as seedy looking guys pulling up in cars to groups of girls on street corners. If not that, it's girls shipped in as sex slaves.

Most people cannot imagine a woman would do this out of choice therefore she must be desperate, forced or both. Punters are therefore regarded as lowlifes for being part of that problem. Unfortunately it's an image that mainstream media also like to encourage.

Agree completely with this.

[Jerboa]

I'm probably a bit younger than most of the posters on here (late 20s) but there's still no way I'd admit my punting activities to any of my friends. Even if they are much more socially liberal than previous generations it's still going to take a lot longer before the stigma fades. The guy who went to see a prossie when we were on a trip to Amsterdam still has the piss taken out him for it years afterwards.

The only other person I know who's admitted to seeing WGs was in the army at the time, so in the context of his other drunken stories it wasn't particularly unexpected.

In the army there is a different mentality to shagging whores, probably because it's a tradition that's gone on for hundreds of years, for example if posted to Germany getting beered up and shagging a whore is the normal Friday night out.

[Blackpool Rock]

In the army there is a different mentality to shagging whores, probably because it's a tradition that's gone on for hundreds of years, for example if posted to Germany getting beered up and shagging a whore is the normal Friday night out.

Yeah think it's pretty much the same in the Navy where shore leave is sometimes called Whore leave 

[HighlyMotivated]

The guy who went to see a prossie when we were on a trip to Amsterdam still has the piss taken out him for it years afterwards.

Sorry but your mates sound like a bunch of pussies. I remember going to Dam with my lot ages 17 - 21 a number of times and all of us having a whale of a time in the red light disfrict. The only person who got taken the piss out of was the guy who was so stoned he couldn't get his dick up

[myothernameis]

As someone in my youth, in my early 20's I was very aware of prostitutes, and why we went to see them, basically for the sex.  Never told any of the guys in my work about this, but a lot of them made there opinion know, like anyone who does this is a low life, but the funny thing is when it came to us going out at night, into town, we all tried to pull birds

So we hook up with some birds at the disco, and in the club end up kissing them and groping each other, and at the end of the night go back one of the guys place, and took turns to use the bed room

Now the guys never seen anything wrong with this, as it part of growing up, unknown to them, the next night I was of to see a escort, and do the same sort of thing, as we did with the girls from the clubs

[Lever]

Sorry but your mates sound like a bunch of pussies. I remember going to Dam with my lot ages 17 - 21 a number of times and all of us having a whale of a time in the red light disfrict. The only person who got taken the piss out of was the guy who was so stoned he couldn't get his dick up

None taken, most of them are pussies to be fair, particularly now about half of them are married.

[WhattheFlip]

I think threechilliman collates the most accurate answers to the question.

In response to the posts about punting being pretty normal in the Military, here's two fun facts I know:

In the first world war, there was a serious problem with VD amongst the Canadian ranks because they were paid significantly more than our boys, and spent it all shagging whores in France and over here on leave. Oh Canada indeed!

The British Actor Steve Evets (Rev, Looking for Eric) was discharged from the Merchant Navy for going awol/spending his 18th birthday in a Bombay Brothel. He doesn't regret a thing.

[Blackpool Rock]

In the first world war, there was a serious problem with VD amongst the Canadian ranks because they were paid significantly more than our boys, and spent it all shagging whores in France and over here on leave. Oh Canada indeed!

Historically many armies have had what amounts to military brothels where the girls were checked to ensure they were clean to stop the men going down with a dose of clap, the main issue being they didn't want a sick man who couldn't fight.
Loads on the net about prostitution around American bases worldwide especially it seems in South Korea

OK it may be Nam but you get the idea
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[WhattheFlip]

Historically many armies have had what amounts to military brothels where the girls were checked to ensure they were clean to stop the men going down with a dose of clap, the main issue being they didn't want a sick man who couldn't fight.
Loads on the net about prostitution around American bases worldwide especially it seems in South Korea

OK it may be Nam but you get the idea
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Yeah, the Canadians should've been checking the WGs out really, they had special VD hospitals and everything it was so widespread, dirty dogs! The soldiers didn't get paid if they were in one of them though-so anyone with Canadian ancestry who checks the records of any WWI soldiers and there's a gap in their pay...they had the clap

They're probably pretty sensitive about that kind of thing in South Korea, what with the Japanese kidnapping thousands of women in WWII to be 'comfort women', or unpaid forced prostitutes for their armed forces. Terrible business, but not too surprising from the Japanese, they genuinely seem to believe they're superior to every other race on earth. Something which, i understand from here (never been), is extended to punting in Japan, where non-japanese are treated like second class citizens, only offered the foreign girls etc.

Sorry for going off topic, but the seedy aspects of history can be fascinating to me.

[peter purves]

Yeah, the Canadians should've been checking the WGs out really, they had special VD hospitals and everything it was so widespread, dirty dogs! The soldiers didn't get paid if they were in one of them though-so anyone with Canadian ancestry who checks the records of any WWI soldiers and there's a gap in their pay...they had the clap

They're probably pretty sensitive about that kind of thing in South Korea, what with the Japanese kidnapping thousands of women in WWII to be 'comfort women', or unpaid forced prostitutes for their armed forces. Terrible business, but not too surprising from the Japanese, they genuinely seem to believe they're superior to every other race on earth. Something which, i understand from here (never been), is extended to punting in Japan, where non-japanese are treated like second class citizens, only offered the foreign girls etc.

Sorry for going off topic, but the seedy aspects of history can be fascinating to me.

Don't be

I found your post very interesting especially the part about 'foreigners' punting in Japan 

[webpunter]

I understand the women not wanting to be known as a prossie, but men should grow a pair.

Discretion is perhaps the best approach.  I discuss with select mates.  You never know quite what situation will arise in the future.  Even if you have no commitments it can land you in the shit.  Sumfink as simple as meeting a civvie.  If she finds out that you like punting then more likely that she'll view negatively rather than positively.  Even those who appear to be open minded will be thinking the opposite in reality.  Down to simple things like STDs.  She'll figure that you are more likely to either have something nasty or will catch something in the future.  Laughable really when she'll happily BB sum bloke she's seen twice.  Or she'll think that you won't stop
Maybe you're just a sex god with women falling at your feet & willing to accept anything that you do.  We'll see.  And in the meantime why not try doing a review.  And your cred will begin to be established
 

[WhattheFlip]

Don't be

I found your post very interesting especially the part about 'foreigners' punting in Japan 

I'm only going on what I've read here and elsewhere. That was the impression I got anyway. & I can believe it tho, funny lot

[catweazle]

I remember reading about a Navy doctor warning the Jolly Jack Tars about the dangers of STIs. His spiel started off "now, many of you will no doubt be putting your private parts into places I wouldn't even riddle out with my walking stick.....". The Navy certainly doesn't try to say 'dont go shagging whores'