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Offline Whore Of Babylon

I have always understood that it was only illegal to run a brothel in the UK. But perfectly legal to punt at one.
I've just seen this, I think they're mistaken, anyone else have any info?

It is legal for a sex worker to work for a brothel or an agency. This is only true if the worker has not been coerced into such a job. Buying sex from a brothel is also illegal even if the age restriction rules are met.
From this site:http://www.uknationalescortsassociation.co.uk/articles/laws_of_prostitution_in_the_uk_154.html

Offline smiths

I have always understood that it was only illegal to run a brothel in the UK. But perfectly legal to punt at one.
I've just seen this, I think they're mistaken, anyone else have any info?

It is legal for a sex worker to work for a brothel or an agency. This is only true if the worker has not been coerced into such a job. Buying sex from a brothel is also illegal even if the age restriction rules are met.
From this site:http://www.uknationalescortsassociation.co.uk/articles/laws_of_prostitution_in_the_uk_154.html

Its legal for a punter to punt in a brothel unless it was to be proved a WG was being coerced or was underage, in which case he could be in a world of shit.

Also to clarify a WG just working as a WG in a brothel is legal, only if she were to help run it even answer the phone/s could she get done. The link you give is misleading on this point in my view.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2013, 11:50:22 PM by smiths »

Online milo

I have always understood that it was only illegal to run a brothel in the UK. But perfectly legal to punt at one.
I've just seen this, I think they're mistaken, anyone else have any info?

It is legal for a sex worker to work for a brothel or an agency. This is only true if the worker has not been coerced into such a job. Buying sex from a brothel is also illegal even if the age restriction rules are met.
From this site:http://www.uknationalescortsassociation.co.uk/articles/laws_of_prostitution_in_the_uk_154.html

Yes, you are correct, they are wrong.

I think they should also make it clear that a worker who is coerced is not committing an offence. They seem to imply they are, in the paragraph quoted, although I suspect it is just sloppy wording on their behalf.

There are a few other sloppy errors in the linked article. I think their section on kerb crawling is out of date.

They would be better off just directing people to this site - http://sw5.info/law/

Offline Whore Of Babylon

Its legal for a punter to punt in a brothel unless it was to be proved a WG was being coerced or was underage, in which case he could be in a world of shit.

Also to clarify a WG just working as a WG in a brothel is legal, only if she were to help run it even answer the phone/s could she get done. The link you give is misleading on this point in my view.
I think that's what they mean but the phrasing is a little unclear and misleading. As an escort association they don't have much motive to promote brothel use, I suppose.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2013, 12:00:20 AM by Whore Of Babylon »

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Its legal for a punter to punt in a brothel unless it was to be proved a WG was being coerced or was underage, in which case he could be in a world of shit.


...or trafficked and the punter knows it, as I understand.

Online Jimmyredcab

Its legal for a punter to punt in a brothel unless it was to be proved a WG was being coerced or was underage, in which case he could be in a world of shit.

Despite it being illegal to pay for sex with a girl who is coerced I have not heard of a single case reaching the courts, yet another stupid law that can't be enforced.

Tony Montana

...or trafficked and the punter knows it, as I understand.

Isn't it a strict liability offense? I.e. the punter is still liable even if he is unaware.

Offline foresight

Despite it being illegal to pay for sex with a girl who is coerced I have not heard of a single case reaching the courts, yet another stupid law that can't be enforced.

Would you rather it was legal to pay for sex with a girl who has been coerced then?

Can't see what is wrong with having the law, whether its enforced or not is up to the police.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2013, 07:45:13 AM by foresight »

Online haystacks79

Isn't it a strict liability offense? I.e. the punter is still liable even if he is unaware.

That's what I've always understood.

Online Jimmyredcab

Would you rather it was legal to pay for sex with a girl who has been coerced then?

Can't see what is wrong with having the law, whether its enforced or not is up to the police.

Laws that are not enforced are a total waste of time, but of course you already know that.

I suspect it would be extremely hard to get a conviction, that is why the police don't bother.

Of course if someone could provide a link to a conviction I would be interested to read it.

Online Jimmyredcab

That link is to a site advertising escort agencies, why would they encourage punting in more reasonable brothels. ???

Offline Whore Of Babylon

That link is to a site advertising escort agencies, why would they encourage punting in more reasonable brothels. ???
This is true. But I hate it when lies and incorrect rumours are spread about the sex industry. Punters and prossies have enough annoying things to deal with let alone misinformed rubbish being dressed up as fact or sloppy and confusing representation.
They could have just not commented on the the brothel laws and promoted escorting!
I found another site a while ago claiming that it was illegal to buy sex except in saunas or parlours. Not helpful. See if I can find it again and name and shame.

Offline Matium

Is it a joke site?

Their "distinction" between "escort" and "prostitute" is pretty lame and laughable.

Any woman who gives sex in return for money is a prostitute.

http://www.uknationalescortsassociation.co.uk/articles/difference_between_escort_and_prostitute_144.html

Offline Ludwig

Isn't it a strict liability offense? I.e. the punter is still liable even if he is unaware.

Yes, it's a strict liability offence, Section 53A Sexual Offences Act 2003, a piece of legislation with good intentions in theory, but in practice badly thought out:

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/prostitution_and_exploitation_of_prostitution/#a15 - in particular see the section on  "paying for sexual services"

The offence is committed by simply promising to make payment for sexual services of a prostitute, regardless of whether or not any sexual activity ensues. Imagine a situation where you visit a WG at her place of work, agree to pay her for services, and she then breaks down in tears, pleading for your help stating she's being forced into prostitution - you are still guilty of the offence, and therefore liable to prosecution should you report the set-up / premises to the police. Hardly an incentive for a punter to do the decent thing...
 
Oh yes, and note that although a UK law, you are guilty of the offence no matter where in the world the WG is located...

Offline Ludwig

Is it a joke site?

It's crap, frankly...Whoever wrote it / advised upon it, only has a half-arsed knowledge and understanding of the relevant law...

Tony Montana

Would this offence get you on the sex offenders register?

Same question regarding being caught with a girl who was under 18, but who had gold you she was legal age ?

Offline Whore Of Babylon

Yes, it's a strict liability offence, Section 53A Sexual Offences Act 2003, a piece of legislation with good intentions in theory, but in practice badly thought out:

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/prostitution_and_exploitation_of_prostitution/#a15 - in particular see the section on  "paying for sexual services"

The offence is committed by simply promising to make payment for sexual services of a prostitute, regardless of whether or not any sexual activity ensues. Imagine a situation where you visit a WG at her place of work, agree to pay her for services, and she then breaks down in tears, pleading for your help stating she's being forced into prostitution - you are still guilty of the offence, and therefore liable to prosecution should you report the set-up / premises to the police. Hardly an incentive for a punter to do the decent thing...
 
Oh yes, and note that although a UK law, you are guilty of the offence no matter where in the world the WG is located...
As you say a piece of crap legislation. Although on the surface it looks as if it's intentions are well meant but I think not really. It would be much easier to make it the punters responsibility to report 'forced prostitution' when found. But I think this is designed just to put the punter off punting.
Again to make things difficult without an actual full on ban of buying sex.
It's just a moral finger wag and of course in no way will it actually help forced prostitutes.

Offline skittish

Would this offence get you on the sex offenders register?

Same question regarding being caught with a girl who was under 18, but who had gold you she was legal age ?

In my industry the answer to both your questions is Yes, I imagine it's no different for prostitution.

Offline Ludwig

Would this offence get you on the sex offenders register?

Same question regarding being caught with a girl who was under 18, but who had gold you she was legal age ?

In answer to the first question - no, assuming there are no other offences to be simultaneously charged (e.g. coerced victim is under 18, etc); it's actually considered a low-level offence (punishable only by a fine);

Re the second scenario, the answer is a little more complicated...see para 29 of this link (it lists the offences & scenarios which attract entry on the Sexual Offenders Register, in this case the offence being Section 47 of the SO Act):

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3

Also remember that it's a legal defence if you reasonably believed the WG to be 18 or over...


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