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KenniLingus

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Escort, Prossie, whore, hooker, call girl etc. There are many terms for girls who meet men for money and do a variety of things (mainly sexual) for money.

Recently I had a liaison with a girl who I have met via the bdsm scene. I offered her money to spend the night with me at firstly a dungeon and latterly at my luxury hotel suite.

We played, fucked and eventually had breakfast. During this time, on at least 5 occasions, she said "but I'm not an escort". Personally I think she's in denial. She says she has 'regulars' and does various bdsm and normal stuff. She doesn't have an aw account and doesn't really advertise. However to me she is as much of an escort as I have ever seen. I think she sees a stigma to it. She is young and gorgeous. I just think she should admit it to herself.

Now some of your will be asking for a review etc. Normally I would be happy to do this, but because she doesn't want to escort, and she doesn't have an aw account or gumtree advert I won't do one. If this changes I will be happy to oblige if this changes. Furthermore many guys don't like my naughty exploits and the last two reviews I've posted have received no comments.

So what do you guys think? Is she an escort, or is she a girl who accepts an offer from a guy she's met once before to play all night for money?

mrhappypants

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Kenny,  I cannot speak for any other fuckers on the board.  There may be a tight knot moral consensus on UKP but I doubt it, and I doubt anyone is disapproving of your reviews if it is consensual and no one is getting hurt.

I don't think there is a relationship between commentary and the quality (or popularity) of your review.  The uncommented review that warns of a poor WG can be an invaluable product of a speculative search.  Likewise, seven pages of comments is not necessarily a good sign.

But if you need attention I suspect you might not stick around here too long.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2016, 04:52:47 am by mrhappypants »

Offline cueball

She's a prossie, if she takes money for podging then it's a no brainer. She can dress it up however she likes.

There's nowt wrong in being a prossie, I quite like em  :D

If the op is doing reviews just for the comments then he's reviewing for the wrong reasons.  As MHP says, you'll not be around here long if you're here for the attention.

It's no big deal if there's no comments on a review thread, it's still there and welcome.

vt

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'Escort' is a euphemism anyway...after all, there would never have been a car called a Ford Prostitute.  :sarcastic:

But your girl is a prostitute if she is taking cash from various guys for sexual services, no matter how much she wants to deny or justify it.

I guess there are many ways of 'working' and if this way fits with her worldview and her punters are happy with the exchange, then it's all good.

As to whether to review, all honest reviews are helpful, but it's your choice and if there's no way of other punters contacting her, maybe it would be pointless.

Offline Silver Birch

ANY sexual service in exchange for money = prostitute.

I like a massage with HJ, and they are all prossies in my opinion.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2016, 07:29:00 am by Silver Birch »

Offline cueball


As to whether to review, all honest reviews are helpful, but it's your choice and if there's no way of other punters contacting her, maybe it would be pointless.

Good point, which I forgot to pick up on.

If she's got no advertising platform then there's no point in reviewing her

Tierney

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Technically, any person who receives money in exchange for sex is a prostitute. Although what term you use to describe such a person or arrangement depends on the circumstances.

Like a few on here, I've started checking out SA. For those who don't know the site it's basically a cross between Plenty of Fish and Adultwork. Some very nice genuine girls on it who will meet me for sex in exchange for money. However, they are all keen to point out that they aren't prostitutes or even escorts and that we are merely out on a date. To get sex at the end of the date I have to play along with this but ultimately they're taking part in the oldest female profession there is.

Offline OakTree

It seems more and more the lines between prostitution and dates with intimate encounters are being blurred. They may deny they're prostitutes but it's certainly an act of prostitution. True you wouldn't class them as a Working girl, it's not their means of income but once you go down the road of some sort of financial transactions culminating in sexual acts, it's prostitution.

Troutzilla

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Does she have a fetlife profile?

Offline cat1144

The seekingarrangments website is a good example of how"dating" and prostitution lines can become somewhat blurred

Offline smiths

Escort, Prossie, whore, hooker, call girl etc. There are many terms for girls who meet men for money and do a variety of things (mainly sexual) for money.

Recently I had a liaison with a girl who I have met via the bdsm scene. I offered her money to spend the night with me at firstly a dungeon and latterly at my luxury hotel suite.

We played, fucked and eventually had breakfast. During this time, on at least 5 occasions, she said "but I'm not an escort". Personally I think she's in denial. She says she has 'regulars' and does various bdsm and normal stuff. She doesn't have an aw account and doesn't really advertise. However to me she is as much of an escort as I have ever seen. I think she sees a stigma to it. She is young and gorgeous. I just think she should admit it to herself.

Now some of your will be asking for a review etc. Normally I would be happy to do this, but because she doesn't want to escort, and she doesn't have an aw account or gumtree advert I won't do one. If this changes I will be happy to oblige if this changes. Furthermore many guys don't like my naughty exploits and the last two reviews I've posted have received no comments.

So what do you guys think? Is she an escort, or is she a girl who accepts an offer from a guy she's met once before to play all night for money?

Anyone who accepts cash in exchange for a sexual service on you is a WG, whether they think they are or not is up to them, it doesn't change that fact.

As to doing a review that's up to you but just because a review hasn't had any comments made on it doesn't prove its not liked, there could be some or many punters who have read it and found it useful to them but didn't post on it. EVERY genuine review is worthwhile in my view as its that punters account of the punt and thus unique.

KenniLingus

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Gents, I think we all concur. We can call her an escort. Obviously I will refrain from bringing this up with her especially if, like the other night she has me hanging upside down with me wearing a hood and helpless. Or if my cock is in her mouth. Or if I'm restrained on a bench with her behind me with a cane!

I am not sure if she has a fetlife profile. I will check and see.


Troutzilla

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Gents, I think we all concur. We can call her an escort. Obviously I will refrain from bringing this up with her especially if, like the other night she has me hanging upside down with me wearing a hood and helpless. Or if my cock is in her mouth. Or if I'm restrained on a bench with her behind me with a cane!

I am not sure if she has a fetlife profile. I will check and see.
Yeah, probably not the best time to force the issue!

Monsieur69

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It's true that a lot of ladies are ashamed of what they do but do it anyhow, as the money is good. I used to visit an Indian lady working name Dina in Kensington, London, 10 years ago- since retired. She had been working for 15 years at the top end of the flesh market. Doing overnights. Weekends away and day visits to rich Arabs in West End Hotels. She swore she was a "Courtesan". I once used the word " prostitute " and I thought she was going to kill me.
Likewise the fbsm girls would go mad if you called them prostitutes. They are masseuses! The fact they handle todger and wank you off makes them prostitutes, but don't you dare use that word ha ha.

fredpunter

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All I could do to keep a straight face after several hours of fucking all 3 holes and receiving a good rimming and finishing with cim with an SB we got round to talking and she said she'd like to try a threesome with another girl. I suggested I knew of one or two very nice wg's who we could see together as I handed her her "allowance". As she counted it she exclaimed "oh I don't think I'd like to meet a prostitute"
 :dash:

SophieScott

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Of course she's an escort and I agree she is in denial....it sounds like she was trying to convince herself more than  you.

If you take money for sex, you're an escort.  Whether you do 10 hotel incalls a day or you do it once with someone you met in a different situation, you are an escort.

As for the whole hooker, prostitute, escort, courtesan thing - I don't care what people refer to me as or call me to be honest.  They are all the same thing and I'm at peace with what I do.

Offline sub_marine

Not sure if most punters would realise, but a lot of people seeking BDSM encounters have noting to do with sex.  I've had many where neither party has an orgasm.  Pretty much all girls who class themselves as Pro-Dommes will remain fully dressed during all sessions, and they still get business as the clients are not looking for a typical prostitute. 

A Pro-Domme is as close to a hooker as your dentist, probably has the same amount of sex, and causes as much nervousness, trepidation, fear and pain.  I know who's in my wank bank

fredpunter

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Apart from the pro domme probably being marginally cheaper than a dentist it's one of those things that has never appealed to  me

Offline S.X. MacHine

Yes, to take money in exchange for sexual services constitutes prostitution.
That said, several BDSM specialists in my neck of the woods (Edinburgh/Glasgow) found their way into whoring through the route of swinging of Fetlife. Nothing wrong with that. I suppose they reckoned that, as they enjoyed being promiscuous, they might as well be paid for it.
Works for me. My favourites (who are regulars) genuinely get off on what I do to them, being real lifestyle submissives.
One, who came to prostitution through the swinging scene (started aged 18, is now 34) has been whoring for 18 months but plans to give up soon. We plan to keep meeting, only on a no fee basis. Suits me.
I don't know if she regards herself as a prostitute; she has a full time job and sells sex because she likes it. I don't think she cares what label folk put on her. She's just a level headed and fulfilled individual who enjoys what she does. Like the others, she tends to be low volume. By choice.
An interesting thread, though.

Offline destiny2016uk

Technically, any person who receives money in exchange for sex is a prostitute. Although what term you use to describe such a person or arrangement depends on the circumstances.

Like a few on here, I've started checking out SA. For those who don't know the site it's basically a cross between Plenty of Fish and Adultwork. Some very nice genuine girls on it who will meet me for sex in exchange for money. However, they are all keen to point out that they aren't prostitutes or even escorts and that we are merely out on a date. To get sex at the end of the date I have to play along with this but ultimately they're taking part in the oldest female profession there is.

What does SA stand for?

Offline hottext72

The seekingarrangments website is a good example of how"dating" and prostitution lines can become somewhat blurred

SA stands for seekingarrangments

mikexxlong

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A potato by any other name is still a fucking potato
It is what it is :rolleyes:

KenniLingus

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All I could do to keep a straight face after several hours of fucking all 3 holes and receiving a good rimming and finishing with cim with an SB we got round to talking and she said she'd like to try a threesome with another girl. I suggested I knew of one or two very nice wg's who we could see together as I handed her her "allowance". As she counted it she exclaimed "oh I don't think I'd like to meet a prostitute"
 :dash:

Pmsl!

KenniLingus

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Not sure if most punters would realise, but a lot of people seeking BDSM encounters have noting to do with sex.  I've had many where neither party has an orgasm.  Pretty much all girls who class themselves as Pro-Dommes will remain fully dressed during all sessions, and they still get business as the clients are not looking for a typical prostitute. 

A Pro-Domme is as close to a hooker as your dentist, probably has the same amount of sex, and causes as much nervousness, trepidation, fear and pain.  I know who's in my wank bank

Agree totally. I first met the lady I question in a fetish/bdsm situation originally. The first encounter I dommed, the we switched. Strictly no sex. The recent encounter was different in that we did a dungeon and fucked during the session. We then overnighter at my hotel and carried on. She's an escort no doubt!

ClarkeOfTheCourse

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The seekingarrangments website is a good example of how"dating" and prostitution lines can become somewhat blurred

Agreed. If I was single I'd be using SA instead of AW, the rates are much more affordable

WhattheFlip

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Agreed. If I was single I'd be using SA instead of AW, the rates are much more affordable

Not if you place any value on your own time it isn't. The thread in off-topic is full of bullshitting fantasists and obvious touts for SA. There are some genuine guys there, & some good advice, but what isn't gotten across is quite how long it takes. There'a a lot of "I paid the £50 & got a hottie within a day or two, no holes barred, in love with me already"-type posts, all clearly designed to get sign ups to the site.
Not saying you cant have success, I've had a couple freebies & a couple cheap ones-but none of them were anything like the nympho student glamour models that certain posters claim to be getting. Unless there really is such a huge regional variation in young women and their sexual habits! Sure you could get some genuine hotties if you threw top class WG money around, but what'd be the point!?
Cue the touts coming on to talk about their latest "confessions of a ukpunter"-style story of made up SA filth. You just have to pay the fee...

Tierney

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Not if you place any value on your own time it isn't. The thread in off-topic is full of bullshitting fantasists and obvious touts for SA. There are some genuine guys there, & some good advice, but what isn't gotten across is quite how long it takes. There'a a lot of "I paid the £50 & got a hottie within a day or two, no holes barred, in love with me already"-type posts, all clearly designed to get sign ups to the site.
Not saying you cant have success, I've had a couple freebies & a couple cheap ones-but none of them were anything like the nympho student glamour models that certain posters claim to be getting. Unless there really is such a huge regional variation in young women and their sexual habits! Sure you could get some genuine hotties if you threw top class WG money around, but what'd be the point!?
Cue the touts coming on to talk about their latest "confessions of a ukpunter"-style story of made up SA filth. You just have to pay the fee...

No doubt this will soon get moved to off-topic but here goes...

SA is perfect for those guys who love to haggle - from the ones I've been speaking to, some start off at wanting £300 per meet to agreeing for £75 for the hour - and that was my price - she may have even gone lower if I'd have said £50. I've never haggled on AW but it seems to be expected on SA.

A lot will agree for £100 per meet - but then the sob story comes about how they haven't got the funds to pay for fuel etc and will need payment in advance - never going to happen - I pay at the end of a meet and only if I've got what I wanted. There are a lot of students on there and I'm expecting a big influx of new sugar babies over the next four weeks - now I've worked out how the site properly works if I get lucky then I might bag a real stunner for a bargain price who is new to the experience and doesn't properly know what she's worth.

There are some absolute stunners on the site but they are looking for a proper sugar daddy, not someone who literally just wants to fuck.

The biggest difference for me with seeing a girl from SA is the GFE is way better. DFK, OWO, CIM and facials are standard. Plus, you make an agreement per meet rather than per hour, and from the girls I've met I'm fairly certain they've not been seeing anyone else so there's no rush for them to leave so a meet can work out at around £50-60 per hour.

Although many will claim that the girls on SA aren't "escorts" because the majority show their face and some even use their real name.

The rules on this site is that discussions about SA are off-topic because you can't review a girl from there - and that point stands. But if word gets out that SA is far cheaper than AW in the long run and there's a different/better quality of girl to be found on there then more discussion about the site will be needed.

bilbo

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But if word gets out that SA is far cheaper than AW in the long run and there's a different/better quality of girl to be found on there then more discussion about the site will be needed.

It is cheaper for a longer/over night punt but your comparing apples to oranges,if I just need to unload AW is always going to be the place to go ,pick a girl book her and sorted

SA stil requires a fair amount of leg work so more a long term booking that may or may not come off

Back to the original question doesn't matter how it's dressed up if your exchanging money/gifts for sex then it's prostitution

kefell

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I have just found out myself how much of a problem this SA thing can be.

Met a 23 yr old Durham student in June after an ad on CL and spent a night together in a Newcastle hotel.
Saw her again around 3 weeks ago for a day at mine, both had been lots of cuddles, kisses and sex.
Both had been for £80 per meet.

We then arranged together for a regular thing for a help for her rent so was £150 per month, first payment was going to be end of this month.

We went up to a nice hotel in Scotland for the weekend together, lots of cuddles etc and holding hand when out and arranged to meet this weekend gone.

Just before we went away she had needed to borrow money for her rent until her money came through .... yeah I know I was stupid.

Well this Friday came and no word from her .. no sorry, explanation or anything.
She said on Saturday, after some texts, that her phone had been at her friends ... yeah I know.

Said she wanted to talk Sunday but nothing ... Sunday said she was busy until after 5pm .... nothing.

Just wont talk and explain anything ..... and yes, I know, it was my fault for lending her the money ... just thought how she was together I could trust her .. how wrong I was.

Unfortunately I am now having to force the issue a bit to get my money back from her, not sure how successful this will be, I have her texts from her asking to borrow the money until she got hers at the end of last week.

I am not a regular user of WG's and apart from this Student had only seen one before, thought this way with her was an ideal thing .... guess I have learnt by my mistake.


Offline funfungoodguy

I have had female 'friends' for example a girl I met on a dating website. We realised we were not g/f & b/f potential, but we soon established we both needed sex, and fancied each other. She liked to be 'controlled', we met quite a few times, in a travel lodges- that sort of thing, she enjoyed being taught ways to be very submissive and loved all sorts of games (she kept turning up after all), I paid for the room and the meal, and we spent the night together. she wasn't paid so there was no WG element in any guise. After a while she was comfortable enough she would come to a room (and to the meal) dressed in the things I liked and she enjoyed being 'trained' to please me (whatever fetish outfit I instructed), and announce herself and tolerate being blindfolded and tied up  in the room, without knowing for certain it was me, we chose anonymous locations and felt able to let go and enjoy the whole thing. Times passed, our 'naughty affair' ran its course, the calls dwindled....   I hope she has happy memories of it as I do. She met some guy for a proper relationship and moved in with him !!. The borderline is of course where the girl takes cash herself, and seeks out encounters with that transaction being an intended element and an incentive for it, then I think we all seem to concur, she is 'working' - give it whatever name you like.

kefell

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Mmmm well looks like I wont be looking for anything for a while.

Had a visit from my Student, had a good heart to heart and she is no longer going to be taking money from myself or anyone else and we are going to be start dating properly, as one not really into casual sex anyway I guess it is better this way.

Good luck to all those on here and hope you find the good ones and not the scammers.

Offline CatBBW

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Mmmm well looks like I wont be looking for anything for a while.

Had a visit from my Student, had a good heart to heart and she is no longer going to be taking money from myself or anyone else and we are going to be start dating properly, as one not really into casual sex anyway I guess it is better this way.

Good luck to all those on here and hope you find the good ones and not the scammers.

So she didn't need the money and was just doing it to find love? Where's her income going to come from now? Do you trust that she won't start looking for a sugar daddy now that she's skint AND not seeing clients?

Offline tazz

All I could do to keep a straight face after several hours of fucking all 3 holes and receiving a good rimming and finishing with cim with an SB we got round to talking and she said she'd like to try a threesome with another girl. I suggested I knew of one or two very nice wg's who we could see together as I handed her her "allowance". As she counted it she exclaimed "oh I don't think I'd like to meet a prostitute"
 :dash:

Just out of interest whats her allowance like and does she have other sugar daddys?

kefell

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Her mother has said she will pay this for her now until she finds a part time job and after our chat today yes I trust her now.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2016, 08:00:13 pm by kefell »

Offline CatBBW

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Her mother has said she will pay this for her now until she finds a part time job.

Why wasn't her mother paying "this" before?

kefell

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Why wasn't her mother paying "this" before?

She was trying to be independent of her parents ... she decided the client bit was messing her mind ..  so does not want to do it any more.

potato

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A potato by any other name is still a fucking potato
It is what it is :rolleyes:


OI, watch it with the Potato comments...  :D

mikexxlong

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Offline rathbone

Met a 23 yr old Durham student in June after an ad on CL and spent a night together in a Newcastle hotel.

Sorry to be a bit slow on the uptake - but what does "CL" stand for, please?

Offline CatBBW

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Sorry to be a bit slow on the uptake - but what does "CL" stand for, please?

CraigsList, I think.


fredpunter

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Just out of interest whats her allowance like and does she have other sugar daddys?
Details like that and in fact sa in general are better discussed via pm or in off topic

Offline Anadin

No doubt this will soon get moved to off-topic but here goes...

SA is perfect for those guys who love to haggle - from the ones I've been speaking to, some start off at wanting £300 per meet to agreeing for £75 for the hour - and that was my price - she may have even gone lower if I'd have said £50. I've never haggled on AW but it seems to be expected on SA.

A lot will agree for £100 per meet - but then the sob story comes about how they haven't got the funds to pay for fuel etc and will need payment in advance - never going to happen - I pay at the end of a meet and only if I've got what I wanted. There are a lot of students on there and I'm expecting a big influx of new sugar babies over the next four weeks - now I've worked out how the site properly works if I get lucky then I might bag a real stunner for a bargain price who is new to the experience and doesn't properly know what she's worth.

There are some absolute stunners on the site but they are looking for a proper sugar daddy, not someone who literally just wants to fuck.

The biggest difference for me with seeing a girl from SA is the GFE is way better. DFK, OWO, CIM and facials are standard. Plus, you make an agreement per meet rather than per hour, and from the girls I've met I'm fairly certain they've not been seeing anyone else so there's no rush for them to leave so a meet can work out at around £50-60 per hour.

Although many will claim that the girls on SA aren't "escorts" because the majority show their face and some even use their real name.

The rules on this site is that discussions about SA are off-topic because you can't review a girl from there - and that point stands. But if word gets out that SA is far cheaper than AW in the long run and there's a different/better quality of girl to be found on there then more discussion about the site will be needed.

Holy shit is that true, I may have to PM you chap.

Offline tazz

Decided to give SA a go and one months membership reduced. Found a profile of a women who states: I'm looking for a beneficial relationship with a mature person who is financially stable. I'm not an escort, so please don't treat me like one and expect me to be civil with you

In the what shes looking for she states: I'm definitely not interested in one night stands or seedy cheap flings whilst your wife is at home with your children. I am not a hooker.

Guess these women just dont understand what a hooker is. Theres clearly a difference between a women who sleep with 20-40 guys a week for cash full time and one only doing it with 1 or 2 guys a month. But its still the same stuff.