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Author Topic: Improving Review Features  (Read 1518 times)

Offline smiths

To get input on how to make it better. Yes I already decided its a good idea that does not mean my idea is the best iteration

I had the idea of categories initially then Another member mentioned the idea of tags which is a better idea than I started off with

This is the reason i asked

You said above the only question now is ease of implementation. I am happy how reviews are now so there is nothing to implement in my view. As ever if admin decides to changes things he has my support.

I like it that its left to punters to decide how to format their reviews and what to put in them, I wouldn't like to have to follow a certain format other and above whats already the case when doing one personally, I had enough of that on another site some years ago.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2016, 02:12:17 AM by smiths »

Offline Flunt

Was just wondering:

1. What others thought about the idea:

The primary function of UKP is to discuss and review punting experiences and not a pro$$ie search database.

In theory there is nothing wrong with your proposal and I believe evolution and progress are good things, as for the practicalities:

What of the thousands of reviews without tags?

Going forward, what about date and location for finding a big ass pro$$ie who is willing to provide facials?

Personal opinions will always differ on size and appearance, when does big ass become fat arse?

Then you come to the biggest stumbling block which is the pro$$ies themselves and their discretionary preferences?

Offline punther

You said above the only question now is ease of implementation. I am happy how reviews are now so there is nothing to implement in my view. As ever if admin decides to changes things he has my support.

I like it that its left to punters to decide how to format their reviews and what to put in them, I wouldn't like to have to follow a certain format other and above whats already the case when doing one personally, I had enough of that on another site some years ago.

I think the issue here is misunderstanding on how tags work. Tags do not require you to follow a certain procedure or format what you write in a certain way. Everything would be the same as normal.

Not sure if you took a look at the link i posted earlier but it makes it clear how they work.

http://hour25.heroesx.chs.harvard.edu/?p=13220

Offline punther

Really thought provoking questions here mate thanks

The primary function of UKP is to discuss and review punting experiences and not a pro$$ie search database.
Isnt the key question how how do the members get value out of the site instead of what it primarily meant to be?

As the number of reviews contributed has increased so rapidly essentially a review search database is what is becoming because this is what most people use it for, to search for well reviewed girls who meet their requirements

Just that at the moment its not as efficient as it could be for this hence why as i mentioned earlier members make threads for specific niches


In theory there is nothing wrong with your proposal and I believe evolution and progress are good things, as for the practicalities:

What of the thousands of reviews without tags?

It would have to be implemented going forward

But members could be encouraged to tag their reviews retrospectively. The average member does not have that many reviews so could easily do this over a period of time

Going forward, what about date and location for finding a big ass pro$$ie who is willing to provide facials?


Personal opinions will always differ on size and appearance, when does big ass become fat arse?

I cant see how date has an effect? Can you explain?

Where you make a great point is location. Because if you clicked a link for DFK it would bring up all dfk reviews on the board as a whole

I think there is something called geo location tags or something like that where tags can be made location specific so you can click on a tag which would show you tagged review with DFK in North West England

Regarding when does a big ass become a fat ass or what is classed as dfk, yes people have different tastes

But most people generally would come close in their descriptions of a big round ass, or a bbw, or big tits or dfk, or what a latina looks like, or what an asian looks like etc. Etc. Probably about 60-70% of what is tagged i estimate would be seen  as falling into any one category by the majority. Its not going to be perfect, but nothing ever is.

Then you come to the biggest stumbling block which is the pro$$ies themselves and their discretionary preferences?
I think I addressed this here??

If Punter A does not get OWO or DFK when he goes to see Bubbliscious Babe123 then he does not tag or put her in either of those categories

If Punter B gets OWO and DFK when he goes to see Bubbliscious Babe123 the he tags or puts her in those categories

If Punter C is after some DFK and clicks on DFK on the categories page he will be shown links/reviews of all the girls that have been tagged/categorised as offering DFK to a Punter.
Bubbliscious Babe123 will be one of these girls. Punter C is now aware of a girl he didnt know about before who offers a service he is after. Punter C can now dig deeper and look at her reviews as a whole where he will find she offered it to Punter B but not to Punter A and he can make up his own mind if he wants to see her

If he decides he does not want to see her he can go back to the list and repeat the process

The key thing is this is not to change review and how they are done but to give them an added feature

An point to think about is why do we categorise reviews by location? Shouldnt they have been left uncategorised so a member has to read through hundred of reviews before they find a review for say Wales?

Why do we categorise reviews, positive, neytral, negative? Whats the point of this if ultimately its the reader that will decide for themself if they view it as pos, neg or neu and if they will decide to see the gilr in question?

« Last Edit: August 08, 2016, 08:49:41 AM by punther »

Offline LL

I reckon it's a fair bit of work for Admin and he's already said he has a list of things to add but no time to add them.

However you could do it in such a way that no changes are needed on the forum. Add a new page to the punting wiki documenting a list of hashtags; start using them in your own reviews; encourage others to do the same. Link the wiki page in your own reviews also.

By hashtag I mean, the same as they use on Twitter, e.g.

#latin
#bigAss
#punthers15minutespecials

This way, other people search for hashtags (including the '#' character) just via the existing search interface and they get results which have include use of the tags they've searched for. 

If the idea takes off you could ask Admin to put the link to the wiki page describing all available hashtags on the review page. So whenever people write reviews they can quickly reference suggested hashtags, should they wish to use them.


Offline smiths

I think the issue here is misunderstanding on how tags work. Tags do not require you to follow a certain procedure or format what you write in a certain way. Everything would be the same as normal.

Not sure if you took a look at the link i posted earlier but it makes it clear how they work.

http://hour25.heroesx.chs.harvard.edu/?p=13220

As I said I am happy how reviews are at present, no tags needed in my opinion, but as ever I leave it for admin to decide.

Offline punther

I reckon it's a fair bit of work for Admin and he's already said he has a list of things to add but no time to add them.
I remember him saying this also. Who knows maybe tags are one of those things lol

However you could do it in such a way that no changes are needed on the forum. Add a new page to the punting wiki documenting a list of hashtags; start using them in your own reviews; encourage others to do the same. Link the wiki page in your own reviews also.

By hashtag I mean, the same as they use on Twitter, e.g.

#latin
#bigAss
#punthers15minutespecials

This way, other people search for hashtags (including the '#' character) just via the existing search interface and they get results which have include use of the tags they've searched for. 

If the idea takes off you could ask Admin to put the link to the wiki page describing all available hashtags on the review page. So whenever people write reviews they can quickly reference suggested hashtags, should they wish to use them.

As a DIY approach this sounds like a really smart idea. (though its nowhere near as straightforward as tags with a tag cloud/page from an end user point of view that is built directly into the forum architecture)

Also problem is me as an individual can only reach so many users and not sure how much traction it would make as opposed to a built in system to the form

How would a link between the wiki page and the a review work? Would the link have to be made for each and every review?

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trying to paint a picture of what you describe

so on wiki page there is a long list of #'s  e.g.

#asian
#anal
#bigass
#bigtits
#bbw
#cim
#dfk
.
.
.

#watersports

et. etc.

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The on ukp at the end of a review you can put say  #dfk  #cim

--

Still trying to fully get my head around the linking

When you say link the wiki page to a review you mean literally just paste the hyperlink of the wiki page to the review

Im getting a headache now lol

I've asked admin directly if he can implement tags...hopefully he does

Offline punther

just saw that massive soho thread pop up on my unread posts list and realised it would also work well for walk up reviews

a reviewer just tags the review soho and  then someone after soho reviews just clicks soho on the tags page and up pops all the soho reviews

ok ok ill give it a rest now :D

Offline char45

My experience of trying to implement user tagging in a work context is that no-one does it. I like the simplicity of the review system and suspect if it gets more complex we will get fewer reviews.

I suspect most search first on AW for girls that meet their requirements then here to check for reviews, or browse reviews for their area or use the search function which with the newest post first option can do some of what you are asking for

I do all my searching on AW, then come here armed with her profile number. No further tinkering required in my view.

When I first joined this forum I read a lot of the posts and read about another punting review site..I forget the name now.

Ukp came after that site and overtook it because it was more innovative, had better features, worked better and added value over the other site and it has to continue to do so


It was the independent nature of Ukpunting that lead to its growth. I know you have been only punting a couple of years but other sites had a major issue with fake reviews and cheerleaders and not even being able to call adultwork 'adultwork'

I can see a use to be able to search on ethnicity or nationality. And i would like one on body type. But the problem is individual subjectivity one persons big butt is an average butt. So even though I might want one on body type. It might not work very well

Offline punther

I do all my searching on AW, then come here armed with her profile number. No further tinkering required in my view.

I suspect most search first on AW for girls that meet their requirements then here to check for reviews, or browse reviews for their area or use the search function which with the newest post first option can do some of what you are asking for

But do you sometimes find that there are somethings that are not clear on AW that you would only find out on here? and it requires quite a bit of digging and reading on here till you finally find what you are looking for?

E.g. not all girls state their heights, body sizes, shapes etc. on their profiles

My experience of trying to implement user tagging in a work context is that no-one does it. I like the simplicity of the review system and suspect if it gets more complex we will get fewer reviews.

As you have had experience with tags could you take a look at this example here: http://hour25.heroesx.chs.harvard.edu/?p=13220

And let me know how this would complicate how things are done

I'm not trying to be 'somehow' by the way I genuinely am interested in knowing as there may be something I'm missing when looking at this example



« Last Edit: August 08, 2016, 01:06:58 PM by punther »

Offline punther

It was the independent nature of Ukpunting that lead to its growth. I know you have been only punting a couple of years but other sites had a major issue with fake reviews and cheerleaders and not even being able to call adultwork 'adultwork'

I can see a use to be able to search on ethnicity or nationality. And i would like one on body type. But the problem is individual subjectivity one persons big butt is an average butt. So even though I might want one on body type. It might not work very well

You and others have been spot on in that certain elements may not be 100% perfect but I think its important to not get caught up too much on the little aspects of it that may not work perfectly(even though they will work well enough to a degree) e.g 'big asses' and look at the bigger picture as like you say being able to tag a nationality, or things like scam, timewaster, incall, outcall, soho, filming

I remember how difficult it was to actually find girl that truely did things like filming and were reviewed on here

I literally just did an AW search for Female>Escort>London>Being Filmed

the result:    'Your search matched 1013 profiles, showing Page 1 of 21'

Now I would have to search through those profiles and then do ukp searches on here for them

Personally im at a stage where i have so much confidence in UKP that I rarely do AW searches and would happily just click the filming tag for review on london girls(if it ever comes into existence  :lol:) and start from there and dig deeper on AW afterwards if necessary

for some the process now is AW ----> UKP

It could easily become UKP ------> AW (if necessary)


It might be easier to write a script or commission someone to so you can drill down into the reviews or regional info requests.

I get that filming is your bag and that it must be infuriating if your using AW like lists to use that to narrow down your searches.

But in anything like this its perhaps better to go for Macro's rather than Micros like filming watersports etc which are more niche markets in any initial developments.

But do you sometimes find that there are somethings that are not clear on AW that you would only find out on here? and it requires quite a bit of digging and reading on here till you finally find what you are looking for?

E.g. not all girls state their heights, body sizes, shapes etc. on their profiles

I can see a potential benefit, but with so many thousand untagged existing reviews on ukp, I think too many would slip through the net of my search that I doubt I would use it.

Offline Flunt

The time issue:

When I search AW, one criteria is having logged in within the last two weeks. There is little point finding the ideal pro$$ie to discover she hasn't logged in for a year. Your "slim" search could throw up one who has gained two stone in the last few months or equally "BBW" who has been on a diet?

Sorry for being negative for what would be a benefit, the problems are maintaining and updating a pro$$ie's profile and preferences, whether she is still working, increase or decrease in preferences, etc.

Then you have the new profiles which wouldn't get a look in until they've been reviewed?

So much easier searching on AW and cross referencing a good prospect with the search function already available.

Offline char45

But do you sometimes find that there are somethings that are not clear on AW that you would only find out on here? and it requires quite a bit of digging and reading on here till you finally find what you are looking for?

E.g. not all girls state their heights, body sizes, shapes etc. on their profiles

As you have had experience with tags could you take a look at this example here: http://hour25.heroesx.chs.harvard.edu/?p=13220

And let me know how this would complicate how things are done

I'm not trying to be 'somehow' by the way I genuinely am interested in knowing as there may be something I'm missing when looking at this example

If it's optional people won't do it, as an example I clicked on a couple of the discussion forums on the site you linked to and there are no tags. If it's compulsory then it will put people off reviewing as it will take them longer to do a review. 

Offline LL

Still trying to fully get my head around the linking

When you say link the wiki page to a review you mean literally just paste the hyperlink of the wiki page to the review
I think you got the hang of it. Yes it's slightly more work for the reviewer but no work for Admin to implement and maintain (and it would be significant work for him to change the review system for everyone). It would be similar to Jason's rating system for female beauty if you remember that. This one never caught on, but who knows, your idea might.

I'm suggesting you do it this way as many of us (including me) are happy with the current review system. I'm proposing a way for you to trial your idea without forcing everybody else to have to adapt to using it. In my opinion the fact that our review system is incredibly simple is one of the key reasons for its popularity and success. I don't believe that we have to constantly innovate in order to stay relevant. But each to their own.

Final note, yes you could put a hyperlink to your wiki page in each review and encourage any other reviewers who choose to use your system to do the same. No you don't necessarily have to put the hashtags at the end of the review or in a prominent place, you just tag things as you write your review in your normal style, e.g...

"I went to see this #milf and the punt started with #dfk, then she let me spank that #bigAss, before tearing off the famous punther #trackyBottoms. The rest was a blur but before I knew it my #15minutes were up and I was back on the street before she could say, 'Christ on a bike, who was that guy?!'" :hi:
« Last Edit: August 08, 2016, 03:53:25 PM by LL »

Offline Ali Katt

I think you got the hang of it. Yes it's slightly more work for the reviewer but no work for Admin to implement and maintain (and it would be significant work for him to change the review system for everyone). It would be similar to Jason's rating system for female beauty if you remember that. This one never caught on, but who knows, your idea might.

I'm suggesting you do it this way as many of us (including me) are happy with the current review system. I'm proposing a way for you to trial your idea without forcing everybody else to have to adapt to using it. In my opinion the fact that our review system is incredibly simple is one of the key reasons for its popularity and success. I don't believe that we have to constantly innovate in order to stay relevant. But each to their own.

Final note, yes you could put a hyperlink to your wiki page in each review and encourage any other reviewers who choose to use your system to do the same. No you don't necessarily have to put the hashtags at the end of the review or in a prominent place, you just tag things as you write your review in your normal style, e.g...

"I went to see this #milf and the punt started with #dfk, then she let me spank that #bigAss, before tearing off the famous punther #trackyBottoms. The rest was a blur but before I knew it my #15minutes were up and I was back on the street before she could say, 'Christ on a bike, who was that guy?!'" :hi:
It's a personal thing, but I don't like #hashtags in sentences, it makes #it #harder to #read, #knowwhatimean.

Far better would be a list at the bottom like you find on pornsites, provided the ones with spelling mistakes were removed and there were no stupid tags like drooping clit lips etc.

Offline punther

It's a personal thing, but I don't like #hashtags in sentences, it makes #it #harder to #read, #knowwhatimean.

Far better would be a list at the bottom like you find on pornsites, provided the ones with spelling mistakes were removed and there were no stupid tags like drooping clit lips etc.

Do you mean like this?




With the addition of a new page maybe ukpunting.com/tags
that looked something like this?

« Last Edit: August 08, 2016, 07:50:16 PM by punther »

Offline Ali Katt

Do you mean like this?




With the addition of a new page maybe ukpunting.com/tags
that looked something like this?


Top picture is exactly it.


There must be some really subtle point here that I am missing ...

So these hashtags #milf #dfk #owo #bigtits etc ...

Would it be more efficient to include them in the text, without the hash tag, and maybe with spaces like between big and tits?

But hang on isn't that how reviews are already being written!

And searchable by including those terms in a search on UKP or via Google ...

Offline LL

There must be some really subtle point here that I am missing
A review might include the term "big tits" not in reference to the subject being reviewed.

E.g, "I went to see Dixie cumslut and asked her for CIM, anal, OWO but she did none of these things. I walked. On the way out I spotted her flat mate who looked nice and had big tits".

Offline Malvolio

This has to be done region by region - there's no value in me searching for #bigtits and having to filter through a load of WGs who are hundreds of miles from where I live.


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